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Bought a new toy on Ebay, have some questions
« on: July 03, 2012, 09:20:17 am »

I know I probably paid too much, but that aside, I have some questions as I am somewhat new to steam.
What engine does this have?  Is that a Krick boiler or a Wilesco?  Any information on where I can get info on this engine?  Thanks much.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/261051513918?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
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Re: Bought a new toy on Ebay, have some questions
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2012, 09:24:25 am »

Not really given current exchange rates as long as the postage and duty is not too high. Looks a nicely built model.
Can't help you on the engine and boiler tho... my knowledge of steam is still very small
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Re: Bought a new toy on Ebay, have some questions
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2012, 09:41:30 am »

Fortunately, postage was $50 as he is only a few states away and exchange rates and duties don't apply.   :-))
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Re: Bought a new toy on Ebay, have some questions
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2012, 05:01:17 pm »

Hi Cal,
Can you post some photos of the engine and boiler ? They used two different boiler engine sets in that model, the first one used wilesco parts and boilers.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2012, 06:58:41 pm »

Gerald,

I will be more than happy to do so as soon as it is in my hands.  I will not be home to see it arrive, so it may be two weeks or so before I am able. I am looking forward to the assistance in determining what motor and boiler it has.
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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2012, 02:33:30 am »

Muleers,

Great to see another Virginiian using steam. Please let me know where you sail and I'll try to bring my steam boat down. I'm in Mineral VA, at Lake Anna, and in Hartfield in Middlesex County (Between the Piankatank and Rappahannock Rivers). Her's my boat....

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=22737.0
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Re: Bought a new toy on Ebay, have some questions
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2012, 05:06:47 pm »

That's a Wilesco boiler (more or less same as the current D49 model). The engine was also built using Wilesco parts, not sure if Wilesco or Krick built it though.
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Re: Bought a new toy on Ebay, have some questions
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2012, 11:31:43 pm »

I just got back home and the boat is supposed to arrive Wednesday, I'll try to have some close up pics up by Thursday.  Thanks for the help.
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Re: Bought a new toy on Ebay, have some questions
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2012, 05:13:10 pm »

Well, she's here!  These pics are as she arrived right out of the box.









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Re: Bought a new toy on Ebay, have some questions
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2012, 05:22:14 pm »

And a few more,  What engine is this? Is it a Wilesco or Krick?  It looks like it hasn't been run in a while, should I remove it, disassemble and clean it?  Any suggestions for prep for a test run?  Seller said boiler was tested to 45psi but no certificate was included.











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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2012, 05:29:18 pm »

Last batch of pics, (I promise).










What should I clean it with (or NOT clean it with)?  Mild soap (dish soap) or can some mild solvent be used on the engine?    All advice is welcome.
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Re: Bought a new toy on Ebay, have some questions
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2012, 05:31:24 pm »

Hi Cal, it is a Krick engine, but, I thank made for them by Wilesco, I had the single cylinder version in my Anna launch, now sold on. It is a piston valve engine, so does not use reversing gear, the regulator reverses the steam flow instead. Looks like it needs a good clean up, should keep you busy for a while. I too had a parcel today, containing a nice shiny Maccsteam vertical boiler and gas tank for my forthcoming African Queen project.
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Re: Bought a new toy on Ebay, have some questions
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2012, 05:49:21 pm »

Hi Cal, it is a Krick engine, but, I thank made for them by Wilesco, I had the single cylinder version in my Anna launch, now sold on. It is a piston valve engine, so does not use reversing gear, the regulator reverses the steam flow instead. Looks like it needs a good clean up, should keep you busy for a while. I too had a parcel today, containing a nice shiny Maccsteam vertical boiler and gas tank for my forthcoming African Queen project.
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Looks like we both have some work to do!  What should I clean the engine with and are there any gaskets I will destroy if I do so?  Do you know the model number of this engine?
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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2012, 06:09:20 pm »

I think it may be a Krick No2, your Victoria probably shows one on the plans.Best way to clean, de grease first, try and avoid stripping the engine, lest you upset the timimg, the only gaskets are for the steam connections, I made some from the little piece of thick paper found at the end of a cigarette paper packet. Polish everything up with some fine wire wool and lubricate with some light machine oil, there are 2 little lubricators on the sides of the valve chests, these will need cleaning out, and you could inject a bit of degreaser into the valve chests and turn the engine over to de-gunk the valves and inside the cylinders. You cannot dismantle the cylinder assemblies as they are pressed tohether and possibly soldered as well.
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Re: Bought a new toy on Ebay, have some questions
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2012, 10:02:24 pm »

I have a D48 Wilesco engine boiler outfit, which is very similar. I use detergent on the outside of the engine for cleaning it. I have had little problems with the engine itself but have found the boiler too small.
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2012, 10:56:20 pm »

Thank you Gerald, I'll try that.  I was considering putting some steam oil in the oilers and turning it over a few times, or should I just take the heads off and put a drop in each cylinder?
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2012, 11:16:12 pm »

I just noticed  %), that two of the steam lines on my new boat appear to be silicone rubber!  One is in the supply line to the engine and the other the "exhaust" which goes through the side of the hull.  They both appear to have been done to make plumbing easier and for easy removal of the boiler.  I know silicone can stand some heat but will it hold  up to 40+ psi?  Or should I just plumb these properly?



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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2012, 12:52:13 am »

Silicone tubing is the way early Krick engines are usually plumbed in. I altered my single cylinder version to solid pipework, but remember, the threads on the boiler and engine are metric.the cylinders are a sealed unit and I dont think you will be easily able to get the heads off, so flushing with oil is probably your best bet. Heres a link to some more info,
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http://www.cedesign.net/steam/brass.htm


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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2012, 01:30:13 am »

I pulled the caps off the oilers and turned the motor over and put a drop in each oiler.  As I turned it the oil was quickly sucked in.  I kept doing this until I had about 4-5 drops into each oiler and the motor began to make a squishing sound as I turned it.  Sounded like it had plenty of oil inside.  I also shot some butane into the tank and fired up the burner.  It seemed to work as designed.  So far things are looking good.  The boat itself needs a little cleaning, but it seems to be structurally sound.  I also put batteries in and tried the radio.  It worked but I wasn't impressed.  It is the cheapest, 2 channel Futaba I have ever seen.  The sticks each only have one axis and neither returns to center when released.  Fortunately I have a 6 ch. JR that will do nicely for both boats.
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Re: Bought a new toy on Ebay, have some questions
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2012, 07:04:48 pm »

The cylinder heads are not designed to be removable. I added a in line displacement lubricator instead of using the small cylinder ones. The fuel tank on yours looks larger than the one for the D48. I use the silicone fuel line on mine with no problem, I just give a couple of wraps of copper wire around where it joins.
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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2012, 07:03:40 pm »

Well, I got it running!  Put a little butane in the tank, filled the boiler halfway with hot water and lit the burner.....   and waited.....     After several minutes I could see the water boiling in the gauge so I applied some throttle via the radio....   nothing.  I just saw the crank nudge a tiny bit.  Waited another minute or two then decided to give the prop a push.  Viola! it started running.  Not fast mind you, but it was running.  So I experimented a little for the next 5 minutes, slowing down, speeding up etc.  What I have determined so far is that it will not self start, it needs a nudge to get going.  Also runs one direction much better than the other.  Didn't seem to have an abundance of steam either, after two or three minutes of running it would slow.  Considering I have next to zero experience with these, I had a Wilesco D5 stationary when I was 12 (40 years ago). What should I do next? Make sure I have sufficient oil? Turn up the heat on the boiler?  I will try to make a video, but I have never done that and uploaded one before.  Any suggestions on overcoming these problems will be appreciated.
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2012, 07:39:55 pm »

Hi Cal, make sure the timing is correct and that the cranks are set at 90 degrees to one another, on my little one the crank disc was secured to the shaft by a grubscrew, it may have slipped, to self start the cranks need to be at 90 Deg. I will try and find the instructions for my single cylinder version, which uses the same cylinders,I will try and photograph them and send them to you or post them here if that is allowed. Have you looked at Krick's website, you may get some info there.
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« Reply #23 on: July 20, 2012, 09:40:52 pm »

Hi Cal, make sure the timing is correct and that the cranks are set at 90 degrees to one another, on my little one the crank disc was secured to the shaft by a grubscrew, it may have slipped, to self start the cranks need to be at 90 Deg. I will try and find the instructions for my single cylinder version, which uses the same cylinders,I will try and photograph them and send them to you or post them here if that is allowed. Have you looked at Krick's website, you may get some info there.
Keep at it,
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Here is two pics of the engine, one from each end showing the crank position.  I did not move the flywheel between pics.  It appears they are slightly more than 90*, should I try to change it or are they "close enough"?







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« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2012, 02:41:07 pm »

Another couple questions.  In the picture below, in the red box is a small bolt that connects the upper and lower portions of the connecting rod (forgive me if that is the wrong terminilogy), this bolt doesn't turn easily but it also doesn't appear to be tight. I realize some play is necessary to avoid binding, but is this amount excessive?




In the pic below, in the yellow box is a opening that would allow access to the crankshaft, is this an "oiler" for the crank and should it be filled with oil?






Thanks again for any and all advice.  If anyone has any instructions to this model engine they would be greatly appreciated, either via link, .pdf or any other method.
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