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[tonyH]

Sorry All, but this could be 'Wants' or 'Warships R&D' or 'Working Vessels' so here goes
 
Can anyone point me towards plans for the early (1915 or so) Military class trawlers please. 130ftx22ftx12ft and 276 Gross Tonnage type?
 
Many thanks,
 
Tony

[Umi_Ryuzuki]

Loyalhanna Dockyard appears to have a plan set for that in their TAUBSMAN branded drawings.

http://www.taubmansonline.com/LROYAL.htm

 

[Neil]

depending on who built them, you could try Aberdeen maritime museum for those built by Hall Russell and son,
 
Hull town docks museum for those built at Cook welton and Gemmell,
 
 and those built by Cochranes  you'll have to ask "trawlerman" member on here.
 
neil.

[tonyH]

Thanks Umi, but that's the later one from WW2.
 
Thanks Neil. I don't know the builder yet but it was HMS Gunner which was used as a Q ship from Feb 1915 onwards. She supposedly carried 2x12pdrs + 2x6pdrs + 1 howitzer + 2x14inch tubes which seems a lot for a trawler.
 
Tony

[Neil]

certainly wasn't a trawler with that firepower
 
armed trawlers usually carried a 4 or 6 pounder forw'd. and oerlikon aft over the galler and usually two hotchkiss machine guns mounted on the bridge verander.
 
neil.

[Norseman]

Info seen so far
HMS GUNNER: (1915) Granton, Auxiliary Patrol Dept Ship 1 May 1916 vice HMS Columbine. Base closed 30 Nov 1919. Staff at Granton by Nov 1914 - Commissioned 15 Mar 1915 - Flag down 15 Jul 1919. Trawler purchased 1914 (while building), sold Oct 1919. It was built at Southbank-on-Tees by Smiths Dock and later became a 'Q' ship called Q 31.
Dave

[Netleyned]

HMS Gunner WWI was a RNPS Depot Ship at Granton.
Was bought during building at Smiths Dock type of ship unknown but in WWII was a Q ship.
HMT Gunner was built by Cochranes and launched in 1927.
This would explain the armament  described on her as a Q ship if she was a merchantman used firstly as a depot ship and then as a Q ship.


HTH


Ned

[tonyH]

Thanks for that, Q31 tallies and she used another name - Planudes. She certainly worked out of the Firth of Forth along with the armed trawler Quickly (aka Q32, Carolina, Master, Sinton and originally H99 Swift)
 
The info I've got to date puts her in action as ' a disguised armed trawler'  on 20th June 1915  near Bell Rock and there is a further note from April 1919 that she was 'disguised as coastal steamer'
 
The disguise may have been structural but could just have been canvas panels.
 
Tony

[Norseman]

http://www.teesbuiltships.co.uk/smiths/19101915/gunner1915.htm

[tonyH]

Superb Dave,
 
BUT
 
There is an implication that, since she was bought off the stocks, the 'Military Class' is only a name rather than a design?
 
Tony

[DavieTait]

Strath class , 118 built between Aberdeen and yards on Clydeside/Tyneside

124ft long most were still fishing up till 1960-64 even though they were built between 1915-1919

Aberdeen Museum will have plans for them

[tonyH]

Many many thanks Davie,
 
I'd hoped that it would end up as straight forward as that. One minor mystery is the tonnage difference. 276 GT for the Smiths Docks ones and 330-400 or so for the Strath class. Any thoughts?
Just as an aside, two of the Smiths class of 1915 ended up in the Kreigsmarine
 
Tony

[Norseman]

There must be at least one photo of her because there is a link at the bottom of that last page I posted .... Doesn't get you to the photo. Annoying

Dave

[DavieTait]

No difference except for the way the tonnage was calculated in Scotland as opposed to the rest of the UK

Up till 15 years ago Scottish fishing boats had smaller tonnages compared to English/Welsh boats ( meant at Scarborough/Whitby you saw a lot of FR/BCK/BF registered boats ) meaning the old 25 ton rule for tickets ( below 25GT no ticket required ) a boat registered under Scottish rules was quite a bit bigger than a 25GT boat registered under English/Welsh rules.

My families last trawler , David John A169 , was put under the English tonnage rules so came out at 110GT but ALL of the 30+ sisterships in that class all came in around 50-60GT

[tonyH]

There is, well sort of, a photo on some of the shipwreck sites. That said, it's very non-specific, more a generic WW1 armed trawler that may/may not be the type
 
Tony
 

[Norseman]

Well even though the State Library of Victoria's photo will be of her as Millimumul. It still would have been nice to get to.

Dave

[tonyH]

Don't worry Dave, the next mission, should you wish to accept it!, is to find a photo of either 597 HMT Bombardier or 598 HMT Brigadier in Kreigsmarine colours!!
 
Teeside Museums have a Smiths Dock archive. I've e-mailed the curator so if anything emerges, I'll let you know, meanwhile thanks again to you, Davie and Ned for your help.
 
  Tony 

[KEMO]

Hiya,
       Look here   http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/naval_trawlers.htm
also John Lambert does Mersey, Strath, Round Table and Castle class plans and some others, here
http://www.feralchicken.co.uk/lambert-plans/
Keith.