Topic: Wellington's Victory (Read 17667 times)

Jonty · « **on:** April 30, 2015, 02:35:31 pm »

Driving in to Halifax this morning, Radio 3 was playing a choral version of the 1812, not often heard but all the better for that. This cast my mind back, given the 200^th anniversary of Waterloo coming up, to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPX7RT9uFUU

I remember playing this particular recording at London Audio Fairs at the Hotel Russell 50 years ago, and still think it the best. Worth scrolling down to read some of the comments.

The piece represents Wellington’s victory not at Waterloo but at Vittoria two years earlier. If Beethoven had known that 70 years later Tchaikers would write the 1812 he might well have called it the “1813 Overture”. One better!

jaymac · « **Reply #1 on:** April 30, 2015, 04:48:38 pm »

I wonder if anyone else here took part in the 150th anniversary Parade in Brussels Stadium we could never understand why they did not like our cap badge (Avatar)

Jay

Jonty · « **Reply #2 on:** April 30, 2015, 05:03:40 pm »

Well, if you will go wogging off the standards of French regiments...

Netleyned · « **Reply #3 on:** April 30, 2015, 05:12:37 pm »

Wellingtons Victory ???
Though it was Nelsons

Might be mistaken though

Ned

vnkiwi · « **Reply #4 on:** April 30, 2015, 06:11:39 pm »

Oh Ned,
Wasn't Nelson the boating fellow at Trafalgar, and La Duke the land lubber wandering around Spain and France for a while.

Jonty · « **Reply #5 on:** April 30, 2015, 06:32:10 pm »

Defo (as my Australian sons would say) the Duke of Wellington. Hoarders of Peninsula-related trivia may like to know that there is still a Duke of Berwick (-on-Tweed), but you won't find him in Burke's - he's Spanish.

Mind you, the present Duke of Wellington has several Spanish titles, so that's only fair.

derekwarner · « **Reply #6 on:** April 30, 2015, 11:24:16 pm »

Well

what's this all about the?.......a Kiwi from Asia telling a Humberite about history?

...did they mean military or cooking?

Well for my twopence.....here is the only reference I could find combining Wellington & Victory .....BTW...is that you Ned in Western Australia drinking that Swan Larger you were boasting about

... Derek

GAZOU · « **Reply #7 on:** May 01, 2015, 08:01:58 am »

Victorious Wellington in Napoleon's Waterloo

one of the biggest murderers with Hitler

Peter Fitness · « **Reply #8 on:** May 01, 2015, 08:22:29 am »

Who are you referring to as the murderer Gazou, Wellington or Napoleon?

Ned, even this old born and bred Aussie knows it was Nelson at Trafalgar in 1805, and Wellington at Waterloo 10 years later. Mind you, back in the dark ages when I went to school, we were taught English history, some of which has stuck in my mind

Peter.

vnkiwi · « **Reply #9 on:** May 01, 2015, 08:47:44 am »

Gazou and Peter,
its all relative, history being written by the victors.
Peter, you where taught English history, so Napoleon is the baddie.
Gazou, you're French, so Wellington is the baddie.
And you both refer to Hitler as the baddie.
Simple.
In my book they're all tarred with the same brush, all opportunist warmongers.
But, don't start me down that road.
So lets just agree to disagree.
cheers

Arrow5 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 01, 2015, 09:12:25 am »

ENGLISH history...and you wonder why the Scots want independence ?

BRITISH history if you please.

Netleyned · « **Reply #11 on:** May 01, 2015, 09:14:53 am »

Don't remember anyone called Wellington on the Victory

Ned

Arrow5 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 01, 2015, 09:27:48 am »

No but it was a Scots skipper that brought Nelson back to Blighty. I`ll bet THAT barrel of rum didn't suffer "shrinkage"

Sub driver · « **Reply #13 on:** May 01, 2015, 09:50:22 am »

Arrow5.
Dont you mean it was a BRITISH skipper who brought Nelson back to Blighty

..
AND the Scottish people dont want independance as they had a vote on it a while ago and rejected it.......or did you miss that

Arrow5 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 01, 2015, 11:09:31 am »

The Scottish skipper was in the British Royal Navy , correct. Shall we wait a while a see the result of the next referendum ? But are we not in straying into the forbidden zone here on Mayhem....nae politics ?

derekwarner · « **Reply #15 on:** May 01, 2015, 11:53:04 am »

It's OK folks.......have just consulted my mate Professor Tulloch [retired Head of the English Language] from Flinders University in Adelaide.......it appears that neither of the references as provided by either arrow5 nor Sub diver relating to the Skipper of the vessel that returned the poor pickled Horatio...were necessarily incorrect

So whilst on the telephone to Professor Tulloch...he confirmed my thought that one Martin Winterkorn

.......[Chief of the Board of Management] of Volkswagen from Wolfsburg in Germania clearly needs a competent person to spell check their English worded advertisements

Talk about a pain

......of glass ....just read the words

...... Derek

Arrow5 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 01, 2015, 12:01:39 pm »

Not to be a PITA but which side were the Geraniums on at the Battle of Flushing (near Waterloo) ?

GAZOU · « **Reply #17 on:** May 01, 2015, 03:47:30 pm »

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Qui voulez-vous parler comme le meurtrier Gazou, Wellington ou Napoléon?
NAPOLEON Well on

Jonty · « **Reply #18 on:** May 01, 2015, 04:55:17 pm »

Good stuff, but has anyone listened to the music? What do you think of it?

Peter Fitness · « **Reply #19 on:** May 02, 2015, 02:13:26 am »

I stand corrected Arrow5, British History it should have been, although in my day it was called English History, at least, at the school I attended.

Peter.

vnkiwi · « **Reply #20 on:** May 02, 2015, 04:19:32 am »

Scottish, English Welsh and Irish History, make up the History of the British Isles, surely.

I'll get ma hat ma coat, and out under the door forthwith.

Arrow5 · « **Reply #21 on:** May 02, 2015, 07:35:27 am »

You prove my point Peter. Vnkiwi, correct but it is written from a predominately English point of view. How far north did the Roman Occupation go for example ? Who fought at the battle of Largs ? What was the oldest regiment in the British army etc etc . Have you read the words of the so called British national anthem ? See where it mentions the Scots ! But as Jonty say "what about the music"...yes 1812 great with cannons and effects, some versions have too much choir or wrong kind of bangs. Best national anthem France then Italy. Best Beethoven, all of them. Best English song "My Love is Like a red red rose" written by a Scot.

Klunk · « **Reply #22 on:** May 02, 2015, 07:48:08 am »

Said it before.
Will say it again
there is no place called Britain. That is a conglomeration of countries. Scotland call themselves scottish, Wales are Welsh, Ireland is irish but England is British that does not exist!
let's clear this up. Waterloo. The "british" army was mainly made up of the dregs of the prisons, largely supplemented by irish, Scottish, Welsh, German, Belgium, prussian and numerous other European countries. Wellington achieved a truly European army!
It should, and never has been refered to as the British army, it is normally refered to as Wellingtons army.

I believe there were even french elements in the army!

Klunk · « **Reply #23 on:** May 02, 2015, 07:49:59 am »

P's there was no United Germany as I remember. I think this happened a few years later when prussia merged with the rest of the German states.

GAZOU · « **Reply #24 on:** May 02, 2015, 08:14:38 am »

Arrow5

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Best national anthem french then Italy
Know you the words of the French hymn?

They are violent and warriors.
Few people recognize themselves in this singing and refuse to sing it.
Many people want to change it

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