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Title: Moon Landings ..... and any other urban conspiracies!
Post by: tony52 on July 21, 2009, 04:49:57 pm
After watching the lunar module take off from the moons surface, looking like something off Thunderbirds, I really don't know what to think!!
Did those landings really happen?
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Post by: MCR on July 21, 2009, 05:02:47 pm
Its very simple if you think that the moon landings are a hoax then you should have your right to vote removed,along with those who think the world is flat, that little green men visit use on a regular basis and adults who read Harry Potter books.
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 21, 2009, 05:23:04 pm
What evidence is there against?
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Post by: ixion on July 21, 2009, 05:28:41 pm
Try this for starters http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html (http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html)
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Post by: Bunkerbarge on July 21, 2009, 05:35:56 pm
Diverging shadows in photographs, cameras not capable of being operated by space suited astronauts, the flag flapping when it was planted, no evidence of blasted dust around the landing site and one or two others. All have been comfortably proven to be completely misguided and unfounded and to me have always been the results of sad people who are trying to make a name for themselves.
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Post by: Xtian29 on July 21, 2009, 05:37:52 pm
(http://nsa08.casimages.com/img/2009/07/21/090721063803401477.gif) (http://www.casimages.com) What ? The world is not flat ... You are sure ? It is a cube, a cylinder, a pyramid ?
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Post by: andyn on July 21, 2009, 05:53:37 pm
The Earth is not flat. Nor is it round. It is in fact an Oblate Spheroid.
All these people saying they didn't actually land on the moon are as BB says sad people trying to make a name for themselves.
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Post by: JayDee on July 21, 2009, 06:01:11 pm
Hello,
When " They went to the Moon", ask your self a few questions, did they have digital Cameras ?, did they have remotely operated Cameras ?, I think NOT !!.
What they did have was the finest Cameras that Hasselblad could produce, yet the photos that were shown were not as good as a Box Brownie. Was this done to hide the Nevada Hangar it was all stage managed in ?.
When the "Lunar Lander" was shown taking off, how did they get the FILM out of the camera ????. How did they pan the camera to keep the "Lander" in frame ?.
40 years ago I was a semi professional photographer - - - FILM was all there was at the time, my other hobby was electronics, boosted by being a Radar Operator in the Army. Transistors were in their infancy, the CMOS sensors now used in digital cameras were just a pipe dream. There were no digital cameras at all, there are so many Hasselblad film cameras, claimed to have been left on the Moon - - - it would be worth the trip to go and get them !!.
A Web search will turn up a great many very strange artifacts on the claimed Lunar visits, like NASA photos of a rock with the number 13 on it!, the same rock is visible in other photos in different locations.
In my considered opinion it was the Hoax of the Century.
John
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Post by: The long Build on July 21, 2009, 06:04:49 pm
The Earth is not flat. Nor is it round. It is in fact an Oblate Spheroid.
All these people saying they didn't actually land on the moon are as BB says sad people trying to make a name for themselves.
Oh and we will have the last laugh when its finally proved that we never went to the moon, the Titanic never sank it was the Olympic and that Elvis is still alive and heading up the Worlds New order as head of the Bilderbergh organisation and the Illuminati
Live Long & Prosper.. :}
Ps I Think it was one very elaborate Hoax.
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Post by: Bunkerbarge on July 21, 2009, 06:09:17 pm
When " They went to the Moon", ask your self a few questions, did they have digital Cameras ?, did they have remotely operated Cameras ?, I think NOT !!.
What they did have was the finest Cameras that Hasselblad could produce, yet the photos that were shown were not as good as a Box Brownie. Was this done to hide the Nevada Hangar it was all stage managed in ?.
When the "Lunar Lander" was shown taking off, how did they get the FILM out of the camera ????. How did they pan the camera to keep the "Lander" in frame ?.
40 years ago I was a semi professional photographer - - - FILM was all there was at the time, my other hobby was electronics, boosted by being a Radar Operator in the Army. Transistors were in their infancy, the CMOS sensors now used in digital cameras were just a pipe dream. There were no digital cameras at all, there are so many Hasselblad film cameras, claimed to have been left on the Moon - - - it would be worth the trip to go and get them !!.
A Web search will turn up a great many very strange artifacts on the claimed Lunar visits, like NASA photos of a rock with the number 13 on it!, the same rock is visible in other photos in different locations.
In my considered opinion it was the Hoax of the Century.
John
If that was true how did they get the film of the entire mission back to earth before they returned?
Because the film was sent back electronically, as was the sequence of the take off.
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Post by: JayDee on July 21, 2009, 06:11:54 pm
EASY !! -------- they were HERE all the time!! What a scam !!! John.
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Post by: Roger in France on July 21, 2009, 06:40:55 pm
I guess some of those expressing sceptical opinions are just having a laugh.
Others, who are serious, are denigrating some very, very brave folk who fly space missions and some equally clever folk who make it all possible. To say nothing of the sad deaths which occurred and the sacrifices made by relatives.
Roger in France (not really, I am actually in another part of England where some sad folk pretend to speak another language and live out a different culture. Or maybe I am a fiction of my and your imagination).
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Post by: knoby on July 21, 2009, 06:46:39 pm
i believe they went to the moon, although there are some questions that NASA struggle to give a good explanation to. I wasn't aware that u needed a digital camera to send live pictures across the air ( someone should have told Baird !!). I also dated a geologist for many years who had studied moon rocks & there is no doubt they were not of this planet. I feel it would have taken much more ingenuity to fool all the people who directly & indirectly worked on the Apollo missions than it would have taken to send man to the moon. but then i have been wrong before.
cheers Glenn
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Post by: The long Build on July 21, 2009, 07:00:13 pm
I guess some of those expressing sceptical opinions are just having a laugh. Others, who are serious, are denigrating some very, very brave folk who fly space missions and some equally clever folk who make it all possible. To say nothing of the sad deaths which occurred and the sacrifices made by relatives.
having a laugh yes but I think that there is still a lot of the Apollo Program which just does not add up.
If the Moon was so important and we had landed , we would still be going there now. Our technology is far superior now than what was available at the time but it would take 15 to 20years (as per NASA Statement 1987) revised later to 100 years !!! To get it together to have a manor woman walking on the moon, yet in the 60's it took only 9 Years !.
I believe that the astronauts went into space but am yet to be convinced that they landed on the moon..
Anyway for all the other Doubters out there
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html
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Post by: Malcolm Reade on July 21, 2009, 07:01:04 pm
Roger in France (not really, I am actually in another part of England where some sad folk pretend to speak another language and live out a different culture).
Normandy then?
Malc
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Post by: jonny shoreboy on July 21, 2009, 07:46:17 pm
There is a conspiracy theory for everything. Moon landings are just one of the most popular. It's very easy to twist facts to suit your argument.
But the big question you have to ask is, how many THOUSANDS of people were involved in the NASA programme and how many of those have come forward with HARD evidence and PROOF that they are fake. None.
But, I do like arguing about it because NASA has never proved they DID go to the moon.
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Post by: DavieTait on July 21, 2009, 07:58:47 pm
Looking at these images it is clear that they did actually go to the moon. Another huge hole in the conspiracy myth makers is that the Goonhilly radiotelescope tracked the Apollo landers transmissions and they showed very very clearly that they came from the moon and that the speed of the landers slowed as they went in to land exactly as they should have and this was done without NASA/USA knowledge either.
Sorry guys the shear amount of evidence proves they landed on the Moon , most of these guys saying otherwise believe that Elvis is alive ( he is really , just works in Tescos checkouts now lol ) , that the Philladelphia "experiment" really did send guys forward then back through Time......etc,etc,etc
Just my 2p's worth lol and as for the world well it is spherical but it has a bulge around the equator ... yup the planet has a beer belly lol
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Post by: The long Build on July 21, 2009, 08:13:54 pm
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html ) , that the Philladelphia "experiment" really did send guys forward then back through Time......etc,etc,etc
Thought that they only went forward , you mean this never happened.. <*< <*< <:( 8) 8) 8)
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Post by: andygh on July 21, 2009, 08:22:53 pm
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Its very simple if you think that the moon landings are a hoax then you should have your right to vote removed,along with those who think the world is flat, that little green men visit use on a regular basis and adults who read Harry Potter books.
Spot on fella :-))
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Post by: The long Build on July 21, 2009, 08:32:15 pm
Its very simple if you think that the moon landings are a hoax then you should have your right to vote removed,along with those who think the world is flat, that little green men visit use on a regular basis and adults who read Harry Potter books.
Spot on fella :-))
Fair enough about The Harry Potter books, but not the rest, are we not taught to question things, this is how we develop as a people. if you had said that we could or could not as the case may be, land on the moon not that long ago you would have been burnt at the stake.
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Post by: andygh on July 21, 2009, 08:36:57 pm
Yes but the trick when questioning anything is coming up with the correct answer ok2
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Post by: malcolmfrary on July 21, 2009, 09:37:00 pm
If you actually took a conspiracy theorist to the moon, walked him around in 1/6th G, showed him his footprints, proved that a swinging piece of cloth in a vacuum carries on swinging like a pendulum because there is nothing to stop it, and pointed at the Earth up in the sky - he still would refuse to believe you. It would all be a hoax and something to do with mind bending drugs.
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Post by: ZZ56 on July 21, 2009, 09:40:03 pm
I guess some of those expressing sceptical opinions are just having a laugh. Others, who are serious, are denigrating some very, very brave folk who fly space missions and some equally clever folk who make it all possible. To say nothing of the sad deaths which occurred and the sacrifices made by relatives.
having a laugh yes but I think that there is still a lot of the Apollo Program which just does not add up.
If the Moon was so important and we had landed , we would still be going there now. Our technology is far superior now than what was available at the time but it would take 15 to 20years (as per NASA Statement 1987) revised later to 100 years !!! To get it together to have a manor woman walking on the moon, yet in the 60's it took only 9 Years !.
I believe that the astronauts went into space but am yet to be convinced that they landed on the moon..
Anyway for all the other Doubters out there
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html
The moon landings were politically motivated, and once that motivation was gone, there was no reason to go back.
If terrorists set up a moon base, there would be another mission there within hours, but as long as moon exploration continues to be about science and the irrepressible spirit of human curiosity, nobody will care about it.
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Post by: The long Build on July 21, 2009, 10:08:47 pm
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The moon landings were politically motivated, and once that motivation was gone, there was no reason to go back. If terrorists set up a moon base, there would be another mission there within hours, but as long as moon exploration continues to be about science and the irrepressible spirit of human curiosity, nobody will care about it.
They never did find Osama bin Laden did they,
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Post by: andygh on July 21, 2009, 10:35:48 pm
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If terrorists set up a moon base, there would be another mission there within hours
Or if they found oil :o
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Post by: bigfella on July 21, 2009, 11:20:50 pm
For those who believe that man did not land on the moon I have a design for a tin foil hat the the secret agencies can not penetrate to control your mind. Send $10 to............. {-) {-) {-) {-) It is a sorry person who tries to discredit one of mans greatest endeavours.
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Post by: The long Build on July 21, 2009, 11:39:05 pm
Ok so even if we are not currently able to land a man on the moon , although if the need be we could have one there by the end of the week , why has Nasa never taken jolly around the moon in the shuttle.
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Post by: sheerline on July 22, 2009, 12:09:05 am
A 'Jolly' round the moon?? Have you any idea of the cost man, that would almost amount to the sum spirited away by our politicians!! {-)
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Post by: portside II on July 22, 2009, 12:14:35 am
quote; I also dated a geologist for many years who had studied moon rocks & there is no doubt they were not of this planet. ; un quote . I watched a program about the evolution of the planets and the solar system that stated the earth was in collision with another planet many years ago and that the moon was formed from the debris , does that make the moon earth ? daz
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Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on July 22, 2009, 01:01:38 am
The worlds greatest countries used to make battleships. None of these countries currently produce battleships, nor do they have the technology, or skilled machinists to to even produce the guns these ships used to carry... ok2
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Post by: andygh on July 22, 2009, 01:22:50 am
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Ok so even if we are not currently able to land a man on the moon , although if the need be we could have one there by the end of the week , why has Nasa never taken jolly around the moon in the shuttle.
What for? {:-{ %)
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Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on July 22, 2009, 03:43:25 am
Ok so even if we are not currently able to land a man on the moon , although if the need be we could have one there by the end of the week , why has Nasa never taken jolly around the moon in the shuttle.
What for? {:-{ %)
Are you daft, They sail the shuttle around the moon all the time! You don't think they are actually building a space station do you... those are all sets at Pinewood..(http://www.dinicartoons.com/forum/images/smilies/Misc/shifty.gif)
They have been using the shuttle all these years to put all the artifacts that they say they sent to the moon, ... ON to the moon before anyone can actually get to the moon and prove those pieces aren't there.
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Post by: tigertiger on July 22, 2009, 04:02:25 am
The Chinese have already started planning the construction of the first hotel and shopping mall.
The Americans have put in a bid for a car factory.
The British won't go yet as they don't expect to have finished the risk analysis before 2027, and that is just the risk analysis for the QUANGO that Mandelson will be in charge of.
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Post by: Malcolm Reade on July 22, 2009, 06:09:37 am
The British won't go yet as they don't expect to have finished the risk analysis before 2027, and that is just the risk analysis for the QUANGO that Mandelson will be in charge of.
I have a sneaky feeling that Mandelson won't have much say in the matter after May 2010?
Malc
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Post by: bigfella on July 22, 2009, 06:12:38 am
Ok so even if we are not currently able to land a man on the moon , although if the need be we could have one there by the end of the week , why has Nasa never taken jolly around the moon in the shuttle.
The Shuttle can only just make it out of our atmosphere. A trip to the moon and back would be impossible.
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Post by: malcolmfrary on July 22, 2009, 10:08:23 am
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Ok so even if we are not currently able to land a man on the moon
Landing him there is the easy bit. Its getting him back still alive thats the hard part. The moon and earth might well be made basically of the same stuff, but the moon has been sitting in a vacuum for a few billion year and the earth has its molten core and an atmosphere which makes for a big difference. Think of the difference between boiled ham and roast ham.........same basic start, different treatment.
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Post by: chingdevil on July 22, 2009, 10:43:32 am
I believe the shuttle can not get to the moon because it does not go as fast as the Apollo system did, also it is not designed for that mission. Recently when the were repairing the Hubble they mentioned that the Hubble is at the limit of the shuttle endurance, to get to the Hubble the shuttle has to go around the earth a few times to get the height and speed to stay up there.
Moon landings stopped because America got fed up with them and congress could no longer afford them, remember at this time the Vietnam war was still going on costing thousands of lives and countless dollars. There was only ever going to be 18 Apollo missions, but after number 17 they cancelled it so Apollo 18 was taken from the assembly building and layed on it side outside. It is now in a building, but if you ever go to Kennedy Space Centre and go to the moon experience the rocket in that building is Apollo 18.
If man did not land on the moon, as some people strangely think it must be costing America an awful lot in hush money to all the people that worked on the project and Armstrong, Aldrin and Collins are some of the best actors in the world.
A few months after Apollo 8 went around the moon I met Frank Borman, his description of what the moon looked like I do not believe could have been written by some hollywood script writer but can have only come from someone who had been there.
Brian
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Post by: dreadnought72 on July 22, 2009, 10:56:52 am
As to the thread question:
YES
It's a no-brainer. All the evidence (both at the time, and in the 40 years' of laser studies using the retro reflectors, and recently reiterated by LRO imagery) demonstrates that NASA accomplished its task. Ask yourself, at the height of the Cold War, why the USSR found no evidence to suggest otherwise...
With regards to the speed of exploration, we have good parallels on Earth.
The first (fleeting) visits to the South Pole were made in the 1890s-1915 time frame.
A base was established in 1957.
The first visits were largely "flags and footprints". The base was built for "science and study". That 40-plus year gap reflects the difficulty of the environment, the costs involved and the "requirements for safety" that inevitably follow the first daring explorers.
I accept that the speed of exploration is painfully slow for a child of the Space Age like myself, but things are progressing. There are thirteen people in orbit right now. Five hundred people have orbited the Earth since Gagarin. I believe that the current US timeline for returning and staying on the Moon is a good reflection of the costs involved, and not so much the technological difficulties.
Andy
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Post by: bigfella on July 22, 2009, 12:31:01 pm
Remember that first landing on the moon and the feeling that we would all be flying into space like The Jetsons and off to Mars for the weekend. Imagine how three people shot into space in what was virtually a flimsy tin can strapped to a big bomb. Wow I remember and even now I sit and think what an achievement considering how it was only a space of 66 years from mans first powered flight in 1903 to mans first step on a different celestial body, the Moon, in 1969. WOW I am in awe at that achievement. I wish that mans achievement in the automobile was as progressive as that of flight as we are still driving around in vehicles with basicily the same type of internal cumbustion engine as the first pioneer cars.
Still in awe at the Moon landings. David
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 22, 2009, 12:47:03 pm
I accept that man has actually walked on the Moon but I must admit, I would have expected more evidence of rocket blast underneath the the lunar descender....
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Post by: cbr900 on July 22, 2009, 01:57:23 pm
There was a show on the idiot box just a couple of days ago here that was to prove that the moon landing was true, 1: They fired a laser to the moon which had no way of returning unless the beam hit the reflector left on the surface. 2: They proved that the flag would flutter about for a good period of time in the reduced atmosphere. 3: They also proved that the foot prints in the soft surface were ok as they tested the print in a near vacuum here. 4: They tried to copy the walk style that was used, but were unable, by using film, wires and anything you can think of. 5: When they tried the moon walk skip and jump in a Boeing, at 1/6th the earths gravity the movements were identical.
Would you like me to continue, yes they WERE on the moons surface..................... :-)) :-))
Roy
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Post by: The long Build on July 22, 2009, 02:06:10 pm
There is a flaw in the laser test, 1: They fired a laser to the moon which had no way of returning unless the beam hit the reflector left on the surface. ########## The reflector could have easily been left by an unmanned mission, and the test was performed by the laser operator who simply said that the high peeks proved there was something there on the moon to reflect it. She controlled the apparatus so the results could have very easily been fixed.
I'm not saying they did not go to the moon but I'm not totaly convinced.
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Post by: dreadnought72 on July 22, 2009, 02:15:18 pm
I accept that man has actually walked on the Moon but I must admit, I would have expected more evidence of rocket blast underneath the the lunar descender....
Loose dust was raised (raised! The exhaust gas was around 3000 m/s!!) from an altitude of 30 metres, and "left the area" from directly under the nozzle. (Indeed, some of it would have made it into short-period orbit.)
By engine-off, which occurred before touchdown, the weight supported by the descent engine wasn't much more than a half-empty Aerospatiale Gazelle.
I therefore think the photographic evidence is entirely ok. :-))
Andy
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Post by: OMK on July 22, 2009, 02:16:30 pm
...and of course, nobody ever talks of the Ruskies who just happen to have a base on the dark side of the moon... or so the local know-all down the pub says.
To qoute Umi: "The worlds greatest countries used to make battleships. None of these countries currently produce battleships, nor do they have the technology, or skilled machinists to to even produce the guns these ships used to carry..."
That's sweet! So in other words, instead of wasting squillions and squillions of good dough on making war, perhaps they might now start building boats that actually look like a boat. Stuff it full of nekkid wimmin, Fender and Les Paul guitars, finest Jamaican weed, apple juice, roast beef and Yorkshire pudding and free passage to anywhere on the globe. Who cares about this moon business anyhow? Me, I'd sooner discover all the things on this planet, still waiting to be discovered, rather than worry about living on some space rock without good atmosphere.
Sorry, Umi -- just me, living on planet Earth fantasy. :-)
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Post by: Peterm on July 22, 2009, 02:37:46 pm
PMK, I`m with you! Pete M
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Post by: Guy Bagley on July 22, 2009, 02:55:01 pm
Are you daft, They sail the shuttle around the moon all the time! You don't think they are actually building a space station do you... those are all sets at Pinewood
i was at pinewood last week, was i in space ? - no sign of the space station though
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Post by: steamboatmodel on July 22, 2009, 03:16:19 pm
I was in High School at that time, we had both a Radio Club and a Rocket Club. We were able to setup a directional radio antenna aimed at the moon, we were able to pickup some of there radio transmissions. We were not the only ones, the University of Toronto students not only receive, but tried to transmit a signal back. Regards, Gerald.
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Post by: malcolmfrary on July 22, 2009, 03:56:40 pm
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I accept that man has actually walked on the Moon but I must admit, I would have expected more evidence of rocket blast underneath the the lunar descender....
The fact that it doesn't look like a Hollywood/Pinewood enactment must speak volumes for it being fact rather than fiction. Remember that clip of an old frigate being torpedoed? Remember the total lack of any flash, fire or smoke? Remember the comment of a young lad that it would never be allowed in a movie because it would not be spectacular enough?
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Post by: taxi on July 22, 2009, 05:07:51 pm
This thread reminds me of the film Capricorn 1, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf8kdmw7vQc
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 22, 2009, 05:44:04 pm
Capricorn 1 - one of my all time top ten films. :-))
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Post by: The long Build on July 22, 2009, 07:27:35 pm
I am a bit surprised that so many believe we actually landed on the Moon , bearing in mind which government the Majority of information comes from, silly me how could I doubt such a reliable source ...W.O.M.D need I say more.
Putting to one side the dubious moon landings , When we going to Mars ? (and there's another conspiracy story) 8)
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Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on July 22, 2009, 07:30:43 pm
Are you daft, They sail the shuttle around the moon all the time! You don't think they are actually building a space station do you... those are all sets at Pinewood
i was at pinewood last week, was i in space ? - no sign of the space station though
You don't think they go round publicizing the set do you. One of the sets is obviously aboard an aircraft so they can simulate weightlessness. Obviously you didn't visit Ed Bishops office... If you had, you probably would have gotten a tour of SHADO also. . ...Wait, if SHADO exists,.... so does moon base... :o
Moon landings are real! O0 Someone get me Martin Landau's autograph!(I do prefer the Eagle and Hawk designs) Of course I am sure you guys want Lt Ellis's autograph... ;)
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Post by: garston1 on August 17, 2009, 04:48:47 pm
Landing him there is the easy bit. Its getting him back still alive thats the hard part. The moon and earth might well be made basically of the same stuff, but the moon has been sitting in a vacuum for a few billion year and the earth has its molten core and an atmosphere which makes for a big difference. Think of the difference between boiled ham and roast ham.........same basic start, different treatment.
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Post by: garston1 on August 17, 2009, 04:51:37 pm
Quote from: bigfella on July 21, 2009, 10:12:38 PM
The Shuttle can only just make it out of our atmosphere. A trip to the moon and back would be impossible.
What if they left the choke off?
What if they put a feul tank in the cargo bay.. :-)
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Post by: polaris on August 17, 2009, 07:28:15 pm
Dear All,
There are a couple of points that are pertinent.
The moon's surface has been photo mapped by others than the US, and the past landing sites of all those who have fired things at it one way and another can be seen. The site where the Moonrover was driven can be identified by the tracks it left.
If the US landings were fictitious, I am sure the Russians (& others), would have made every benefit from it a long while ago. At the end of the day, once an independent party lands nearby a prev. landing site the proof will be absolutely definitive.
Regards, Bernard
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Post by: das boot on August 17, 2009, 09:11:29 pm
Well, somebody has been up there, after all The Star paper said a London Bus had been seen on the moon. So who drove it there then? Eh? Eh? And who sent Blakie up there to make sure that Butler was on time? Eh?
Rich
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Post by: malcolmfrary on August 17, 2009, 09:19:05 pm
Well, somebody has been up there, after all The Star paper said a London Bus had been seen on the moon. So who drove it there then? Eh? Eh? And who sent Blakie up there to make sure that Butler was on time? Eh?
Rich
Elvis. I know Cliff had more experience with bus driving, but it was definitely Elvis.
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Post by: taxi on August 18, 2009, 01:35:41 am
Try taking a look on here, http://www.google.com/moon/
You guys with lots of time to search around might find some space junk or car tracks.
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Post by: Bryan Young on August 18, 2009, 05:33:49 pm
I'm now beginning to wonder who is in serious denial and who is just having a giggle! But as all model builders suffer from a mild form of autism, I reckon 2 or 3 actually believe the conspiracy theories. Personally, I would like to know how the BBC got there to film the landing. Cheers. BY.
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Post by: malcolmfrary on August 19, 2009, 09:44:40 am
I'm now beginning to wonder who is in serious denial and who is just having a giggle! But as all model builders suffer from a mild form of autism, I reckon 2 or 3 actually believe the conspiracy theories. Personally, I would like to know how the BBC got there to film the landing. Cheers. BY.
In that bus. Driven by Elvis.
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Post by: Wasyl on August 19, 2009, 10:04:25 am
Its not for me to say if they did,or did not land on the Moon, But my Gran use to always tell me,that the Moon was made of Green Cheese,and who was I to dis-believe her {-)As for the first men on the Moon,when i was little,I thought it was Bernard Cribbins and Lionel Jeffries {-) Then years later,the actor David Niven comes along,and tells us,"The Moon,s a Balloon"all these contradictions,makes me wonder, {-)
Wullie
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Post by: polaris on August 21, 2009, 07:25:20 pm
Dear All,
Whatever be the case, the truth will be without eventually whoever thinks what! Again, I am sure the Russians and others would have been jumping up and down ages ago if they thought it didn't happen - and I am sure they have the tech. to prove it any time they want if they wished.
Regards, Bernard
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Post by: Roger in France on August 22, 2009, 07:11:37 am
Ah, but what if the Russians and the Americans are all playing the same game! After all, could you ever trust a nation which sends a little doggy into space on its own, never to return and not a lampost in sight?
Roger in France
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Post by: bigfella on August 22, 2009, 07:18:05 am
Another thing to consider is the sheer cost of every launch of Gemini and Apollo rockets was astronomical (no pun). If you were trying to fool the public that you had landed on the Moon would you not say it happened with only one rocket????
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Post by: Wasyl on August 22, 2009, 11:14:56 am
Who would have thought that we have a Top drawer Nazi to thank,for whats gone on before,and for some of the comments made on this topic,
Wullie
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Post by: bigfella on August 22, 2009, 01:16:07 pm
Who would have thought that we have a Top drawer Nazi to thank,for whats gone on before,and for some of the comments made on this topic,
Wullie
So true. It was a race in the dieing days of WW2 to see who could capture and use the services of Germany's scientists. And to think that the Saturn rocket was derived and not much different to the V2.
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Post by: polaris on August 22, 2009, 01:49:54 pm
I reply in one Post but individually to save numerous Posts.
Roger, Unfortunately Russia was not the only country to send animals that didn't survive. Some did of course.
Bigfella, True... it would have been an extremely ultra expensive bluff, and I am sure - as I have said oft' before - other countries would have been only too quick to prove otherwise.
Wullie, von Braun was involved with rocketry before WW2, and had a passion to get rockets into space, but he was obviously 'expected' to participate in the German war machine. In Germany one didn't say no to anything as it was exceedingly dangerous to do so - pacifism was not permitted (though people did indeed think it). A friend of mine - a brilliant physicist/mathematician (now semi-retired) - told me about his Father who worked on the German rocket programme. His Father didn't want to do it, and hated doing such work, but simply had to do it. There were many like him, however, there were of course some who obviously were believers in the Nazi ideals - but they were few. As you say, there was a race to get hold of the German scientists towards the end of WW2 (all sciences), but, such is the fortunes of war and the way things go.
Regards, Bernard
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Post by: tony52 on September 19, 2009, 08:07:34 pm
NASA's - LRO orbiter has taken snaps of Apollo 12's landing site. They are promising more detailed photographs in the coming months, so the truth may soon be revealed. Conspiracy theorists are saying if NASA faked the landings they could fake the LRO's photographs.
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Post by: The long Build on September 19, 2009, 08:53:58 pm
Tell you, Photo-shop is just brilliant nowadays.. :} :}
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Post by: BlazingPenguin on September 25, 2009, 09:48:06 pm
This is hilarious, one of my favourite subjects and the comments about the world being flat are as valid as the same comments made when the world was flat. {-)
In my own opinion, they may have indeed went to the moon, bit I believe the pics and video footage are obviously fake, there are so many anomalies in both that is just doesnt wash....and I dont care what 'MythBusters' says. %%
For example the 'waving' flag...It moves in a vacum, strange but lets discount it as residual tension built up in the fabric as it is being positioned with its pole. But I also have footage of it moving, all by itself....Hmmmmmm. :embarrassed:
Theres also a very nice shot of the LEM having suffered some sort of collision, pretty badly by the look of it especially when you consider how flimsy the LEM actually was, but theres no mention of any such 'incident' having happened at any time....ever!
The LEM itself couldnt fly in anything like a stable attitude in earths atmosphere, much less in zero atmosphere to provide any drag or stability mere weeks before lift-off, but it performs faultlessly on the day, the flight back to the main module looks very suspect too, especially when speeded up.
At the time the russians were streets ahead of the USA in the field, hence the need for a much needed boost to the ego with the ladings of whatever sort.
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Post by: ixion on September 25, 2009, 10:03:09 pm
India’s first lunar mission found evidence of large quantities of water on its surface. Funny that the Americans suposedly landed there and didn't find any!
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 25, 2009, 10:11:33 pm
The Indians were using special sensors on their satellite, the water is bound into the rocks in tiny quantities. No reason the Americans would have found it, it wasn't obvious and they weren't looking for it in that format. Technology has moved on 40 years in the meantime. No mystery there I'm afraid.
Colin
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on September 25, 2009, 10:28:40 pm
.... the Americans were looking for burgers....
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 25, 2009, 10:37:13 pm
Green cheeseburgers obviously.....
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Post by: ixion on September 25, 2009, 10:45:02 pm
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 25, 2009, 11:02:37 pm
But conspiracy theories cost nothing and give a lot of people some entertainment.
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Post by: andygh on September 25, 2009, 11:46:39 pm
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India’s first lunar mission found evidence of large quantities of water on its surface. Funny that the Americans suposedly landed there and didn't find any!
They did find it but mistakenly believed it to be due to contamination
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Post by: bigfella on September 26, 2009, 07:15:18 am
We have been over this conspiracy before. How many people must have been paid off if it were done in the studio??? Then their families and anyone who wanted to make a quick buck would have exposed it. The USSR would have been the first to debunk it but did not, was the Kremlin also paid off???
Tin Foil Hat required in isle 4 {-) {-)
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Post by: dodgy geezer on September 26, 2009, 10:00:24 am
The most obvious way to address this issue is to use the scientific method. It is pointless to keep throwing suggestions and counter-suggestions at each other.
Karl Popper pointed out that a key feature of scientific truth was that it was capable of being falsified. This is unlike religion, for instance, where 'truths' are held by faith. All scientists (except those involved in Global Warming!) put forward hypotheses which are testable, and, crucially, falsifiable. If I propose that all objects fall at the same speed in a uniform gravity field, neglecting air resistance, this proposal can be tested by building a tall vacuum tube, dropping two different objects in it, and timing them. My hypothesis is that they will hit the ground together, and if they do not, my hypothesis is disproven.
If someone hypothesises that the Apollo moon shots did not reach the moon, I would like to hear what facts they would accept as falsifying that hypothesis. For instance, some Apollo and Lunokhod missions carried laser reflectors. Would they accept the detection of a returned laser pulse when pointed at the landing sites as falsifying their hypothesis that the sites do not exist? Can they propose some other test which we can agree will settle the issue?
If they cannot propose any method of testing their belief in this way, then they are not holding a scientific belief, but one more akin to a religion. For religious belief, holding firm to the faith in spite of any proofs to the contary is deemed praisworthy, so there is little point in holding this entire discussion.....
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 26, 2009, 10:32:24 am
It always amuses me the way that conspiracy theorists assume almost superhuman powers of competence on the part of all those perpetrating the deception when this flies in the face of reality. While there are some clever people about, a great proportion of those occupying high positions in organisations are of no great intellect and are just as likely to make a cock up of things as you or I (unfortunately usually with more expensive consequences). What distinguishes them from you or I is their ambition to achieve a position of power of some kind. Once they have it their faults frequently become all too evident.
A typical example of course being politicians....
Colin
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Post by: BlazingPenguin on September 26, 2009, 10:47:47 am
Quote: It always amuses me the way that conspiracy theorists assume almost superhuman powers of competence.
I think youll find that most 'conspiracy theorists' agree with you Colin, in that those who carried out the deception imagined that all bases were covered, but when viewed objectively its patently obvious that somethings amiss. Often quoted is that with so many involved, someone, somehwhere would leak a story, well sorry to have to tell you that there have indeed been leaks and from rather higher up than you would Imagine!
Gus Grissom ? Vociferous in his criticism of major flaws in the project, who hung a lemon on the door of the command module in training, by way of statement of his feelings on the matter, only to die a horrible death shortly after.
The Crew of Apollo 11 ? The first man to walk on the moon has steadfastly refused to be interviewed on the matter since that day. One only has to observe the demeanour of the team at the first press conference, to say they are rather subdued would be an understatement !
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Post by: J.beazley on September 26, 2009, 11:27:56 am
Just a curious fact but Neil Armstrong and his crew if but rarely ever talk about the moon landing and what ever happened up there.
Another thing thats strange is technology has advanced so so much since there time on the moon so why has noone else been up there for some time?? its not like we havent got the knowledge now to make bigger better rockets to get there and back faster.
Anyone who has walked on the moon would in my eyes be talking about it until the cows came home, its an experiance of a lifetime that should never be forgotten.
Jay
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 26, 2009, 11:56:00 am
I think Dodgy Geezer is right - it's a pointless discussion.
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Post by: The long Build on September 26, 2009, 12:56:31 pm
If people feel it is a pointless discussion why do these people keep posting.. :}
Some say it happened , others say it did not , this will always be the case , much like the Titanic Debate %% , Emilia earhart, JFK 8), Marilyn Monroe :kiss: and the new one on the Block Michael Jackson, the list is endless.
This to me is a light hearted chit chat about one of the Conspiracy's. It is unlikely that we mere people will ever be able to prove it one way or another. Those who say we Did land have their opinion , those who state that the landings never happened have theirs , who is to say which is right. We only have the American Government to say it did happen and who trusts them, W.M.D need I say more.. They apparently exist but nobody has ever found them !!!
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 26, 2009, 01:00:43 pm
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They apparently exist but nobody has ever found them !!!
Looks like they are under a mountain in Iran! :}
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Post by: The long Build on September 26, 2009, 01:03:16 pm
:-)) And thats another thing , how have they managed to conceal this new Nuke station without the Americans knowing about it..!! with all the state of the art metal flying around space.
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Post by: dodgy geezer on September 26, 2009, 01:06:03 pm
I think Dodgy Geezer is right - it's a pointless discussion.
I tried not to say that the discussion was pointless - I tried to say that you need to agree on your parameters for discussion beforehand. If someone indicates that they will believe something no matter what evidence is adduced to the contary, it is of limited value to start providing contary evidence.
Such a belief is often religious, and depends, not on evidence, but on appeal to authority. So nothing I can say can make a firm believer change their mind about religious doctrine, but if their religious leader announces a change then their mind immediatly comes round. Roger Bacon, the inventor of science, preferred experiment - "Reasoning draws a conclusion, but does not make the conclusion certain, unless the mind discovers it by the path of experience."
All I wanted was for the proposers of the notion to tell us what they would accept as conclusive proof that man had landed on the moon. If they cannot answer this hypothetical question, then no amount of arguing can bring them to a conclusion, and we should be looking for their authority figure....
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Post by: ajb68 on September 26, 2009, 01:46:29 pm
So who shot J.R then ?? :o
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Post by: The long Build on September 26, 2009, 02:26:13 pm
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Post by: BlazingPenguin on September 26, 2009, 02:52:58 pm
Far from pointless in my opinion....
A healthy debate/argument (and No...its not the same as a fight) is very entertaining, where it falls down is when parties have an entrenched view and are unwilling to listen to reason if it in any way conflicts with their own. Now if you wanna see sparks fly, get 10 archeologists in a room and mention 'Time Team' and stand well back. <*<
Did you know that the russian unmanned luner lander reached the moon weeks before the NASA landing? The mission was aborted for technical reasons and Ivan in his collektiv soviet wisdom decided to crash it into the moon, just to be first on the moon.
Some lunar theories can get abit nuts though, apparently Aldrin & Armstrong 'saw' other beings and evidence of civilisations not our own, well....I dont know about that, but I will reserve judgement till something is confirmed, Occam's Razor is a pretty good method of looking at these things. If you hear a stampede outside your house...think 'cows' not 'zebras'. Followed closely by the money trail...who would stand to gain?
In effect the lunar missions were cancelled because of cost in relation to scientific returns, the shuttle missions having superceded lunar flights on cost alone, the latest flurry of lunar interest is purely financial, a quest for mineral sources by big business interests.
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Post by: Number 6 on September 26, 2009, 03:58:52 pm
Latest photos of the landing sites with new satellite/telescope have shown the lunar landers for the 1st time on surface as well as the tracks from the lunar rovers where they were used. I think it would be nearly impossible to cover up such a 'hoax' for so long,too many people would know about it, someone would talk. Watched Capricorn One too many times I think? Dave. ps Be careful how far away you let your boats go or they'll fall off edge of the world,I don't think America exists either as I've not been there. May the force be with you.....always.
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Post by: dodgy geezer on September 26, 2009, 04:29:31 pm
I've been there, and I KNOW it doesn't exist. At least, not in the way that they think it does...
And THAT my friends, is the most intelligent post there has been on this thread! BY. ps---Does Las Vegas count as part of the USA? Being made of dross and living on fantasy.....I loved it.
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 26, 2009, 05:08:45 pm
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Does Las Vegas count as part of the USA? Being made of dross and living on fantasy.....I loved it.
Me too, you just couldn't make it up although I thought the building materials used were pretty high quality - loved sleeping in a pyramid with a replica of King Tut's tomb in the basement.
Colin
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Post by: Roger in France on September 26, 2009, 05:25:56 pm
Oh you silly folk.....of course it never happened. How could you land on a disc of green cheese which gets eaten up gradually by the Invisible Soup Dragon? Then a Lost Tribe of Aztecs make a monthly human sacrifice to ensure we get a new moon because if they didn't the Invisible Soup Dragon would get hungry and swoop down to Earth to make a pact with the Bankers to bring about ruination of our world.
It's just like the Dust storms in Australia which were caused by the Invisible Soup Dragon flapping its wings too violently.
Also, I know America doesn't exist because I sailed there in 1968 on the QE but was really on a model at the pond in Shepperton Studios with the Isle of Wight dressed up to look like Staten Island and a large cardboard cutout of the Statue of Liberty. However, I spotted the deceit because when they repainted the Isle of Wight Ferry they couldn't spell Staten Island and called it Satin Island.
You see it is just like the French I live with, they go home at night, shut the doors, close the shutters and speak English. After a couple of bottles of wine I hear them every night.
Hic!
Roger in France
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Post by: dodgy geezer on September 26, 2009, 09:16:18 pm
Also, I know America doesn't exist because I sailed there in 1968 on the QE but was really on a model at the pond in Shepperton Studios with the Isle of Wight dressed up to look like Staten Island and a large cardboard cutout of the Statue of Liberty. However, I spotted the deceit because when they repainted the Isle of Wight Ferry they couldn't spell Staten Island and called it Satin Island.
You see it is just like the French I live with, they go home at night, shut the doors, close the shutters and speak English. After a couple of bottles of wine I hear them every night.
Hic!
Roger in France
I can be quite gullible at times. I'm prepared to believe in the Invisible Soup Dragon and the Pink Unicorn. I'm prepared to believe that there's a good reason for the war in Afghanistan and that we're winning. I can even believe that Gordon Brown is a great Prime Minister and will be elected for another term with an increased majority. I can believe that unless we pay more taxes and live in the dark the earth will heat up and explode.
But I can't believe that the French speak English at home....
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Post by: kiwi on September 26, 2009, 09:42:42 pm
who cares
total time allocated to this subject from life's busy schedule, 12.5 seconds more than enough. Now to get on with life
kiwi
(same time allocated to the other useless topics like politics, the law and accounting)
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Post by: Number 6 on September 26, 2009, 10:00:07 pm
I've been to the moon myself,I'll admit it.I knocked the ship together after dinner and went while wife watched Strictly Come Dancing,brought some cheese back(Cheddar)and caught a Clanger with a net.Have attached picture of craft and her gallant crew(I'm on the right). Mr Spoon.
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Post by: The long Build on September 26, 2009, 10:44:40 pm
Ah yes, but No. 6 , who is Number 1..or would that be telling by hook or by crook... 8) 8)
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Post by: Number 6 on September 27, 2009, 05:08:34 pm
They have a saying in the village. 'Questions are a burden for others, answers a prison for oneself'. :-X
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Post by: bigfella on September 27, 2009, 11:46:28 pm
The best conspiracy that I can recall was in the mid sixties and Paul McCartney had died mysteriously and was replaced by someone who looked and sang like him. Now this should have been debunked immediately by the sheer fact that maybe you could find someone who vaguely looked like him or even sounded a bit like him but both???
The conspiracy was further given legs (by the theorists) with some "Signs" on the covers of some of the Beatles albums. Abbey Road was one of those albums and from memory the "Signs" were: On the VW the licence plate read 28IF which would have been Paul's age if he had lived, the Beatles walked across the crossing in a certain order in different cloths which depicted a funeral procession and that Paul had no shoes on and was out of step with the others. Also other things like in one of the scenes off Magical Mystery Tour all the Beatles had Red Roses in their lapels except Paul who had a Black one.
Of coarse Paul McCartney did not die and those conspiracy theorists can find anything and turn it into evidence, if you can manipulate it somehow you can turn something into anything you want.
Regards David
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Post by: steamboatmodel on September 29, 2009, 11:51:30 pm
"of coarse Paul McCartney did not die and those conspiracy theorists can find anything and turn it into evidence, if you can manipulate it somehow you can turn something into anything you want." Actually Paul did die and was replaced by Elvis after extensive plastic surgery.
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Post by: The long Build on October 17, 2009, 09:28:15 pm
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Post by: elvis on October 25, 2009, 01:11:00 pm
Hi all as the long build says nasa did get to the moon. i was there. thank you, thank you very much. now must get back to washing my jumpsuit, that moon dust gets everywhere. all the best %%
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Post by: The long Build on October 25, 2009, 02:16:22 pm
Hi all as the long build says nasa did get to the moon. i was there. thank you, thank you very much. now must get back to washing my jumpsuit, that moon dust gets everywhere. all the best %%
Hey, I never said they landed did I ? :o I thought I was in the Not a chance Camp.. :}
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Post by: Peterm on October 25, 2009, 02:36:08 pm
Of course it happened, Gordon Brown said so. Pete M
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Post by: The long Build on July 12, 2010, 03:42:25 pm
Ok I admit defeat , we did land on the Moon... :} :}
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Post by: regiment on July 12, 2010, 05:50:46 pm
ar yes but how do you tell a 5 year old why austrailians dont fall off the earth i tried it gave up in the end
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Post by: fatcat123 on July 12, 2010, 05:51:46 pm
Looking at these images it is clear that they did actually go to the moon. Another huge hole in the conspiracy myth makers is that the Goonhilly radiotelescope tracked the Apollo landers transmissions and they showed very very clearly that they came from the moon and that the speed of the landers slowed as they went in to land exactly as they should have and this was done without NASA/USA knowledge either.
Sorry guys the shear amount of evidence proves they landed on the Moon , most of these guys saying otherwise believe that Elvis is alive ( he is really , just works in Tescos checkouts now lol ) , that the Philladelphia "experiment" really did send guys forward then back through Time......etc,etc,etc
Just my 2p's worth lol and as for the world well it is spherical but it has a bulge around the equator ... yup the planet has a beer belly lol
I used to believe they didnt but after looking at lots of evidence I now believe it. One major factor in this is when they landed, they left a prism type mirror on the moon in which lasers are reflected from the earth, through the prism and then back to earth. This allows measurements of distance etc..
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Post by: HawkEye on July 12, 2010, 11:11:27 pm
Well i know for a fact that Wallace & gromit went as i saw them on T.V. %%
As for the yanks - I'm on the fence, there's a lot of possible discrepancies and something just doesn't "feel right" about the whole Apollo mission(s).
To add to the whole conspiracy scenario have a look at this video and pick out the facts from the fiction , about 20 min. long , not suitable for children due to some graphic images at the end and some dubious advertising / comments on the hosting site.
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Post by: RaaArtyGunner on July 12, 2010, 11:38:47 pm
Suppose a question to ask is, O0 if they made it %) why have they not returned? O0 Then there there is no doubt ;) :-))
Aussies don't fall of the world as we were told by reliable authority %) our boots are heavier.
And as the Blond said America is going to land on the Sun. When asked if she was nuts, She replied of course not DUH we are going to go at night.
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Post by: tassie48 on July 13, 2010, 12:02:24 am
My question is can you see thru a telescope (of course )the moon landing sight the apollo rig the moon buggie or any sign of the landing to prove that man landed their would like to see the moon and the junk the thats is left their tassie48
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Post by: derekwarner on July 13, 2010, 02:08:17 am
mmmm Fatcat says....... "they left a prism type mirror on the moon in which lasers are reflected from the earth, through the prism and then back to earth. This allows measurements of distance etc"
O0...this was the part subject of a UK domunectry shown here in OZ yesterday called "what on earth is wrong with garvity"
It showed the 18"square assemblies complete with 12 x deep prism quartz collector/magnifier/receptor/reflector elements %%...... but true I suggest as they have since been used to >>:-( improve on the work by Sir Isac Newton & Albert Einstein ......Derek
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Post by: Colin Bishop on July 13, 2010, 08:46:27 am
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My question is can you see thru a telescope (of course )the moon landing sight the apollo rig the moon buggie or any sign of the landing to prove that man landed their would like to see the moon and the junk the thats is left their tassie48
The lunar orbiter satellite has been sending back images of the Moon landing sites but I suppose the conspiracy theorists will just say it's another fake.... %)
You can see some of them here:
http://lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov/
Colin
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Post by: tony52 on July 13, 2010, 09:01:08 am
The more usual proposal is to attach wings/paddles to your arms and flap these to lift yourself. But the ground wind speeds seem similar to Earth's, so if you held onto a decent-sized brolly in a gust you could get swept up into the air atmosphere...
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on July 13, 2010, 11:10:56 am
Suppose a question to ask is, if they made it why have they not returned? Then there there is no doubt ;) :-))
.... there's no oil up there?
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Post by: Nordsee on July 13, 2010, 02:37:46 pm
There is a simple way of deciding if they went or not. You need a High Power telescope and a high Effiency Laser, and oodles of Computer Power on your PC. First you line up on the Mirror that the Astronauts left on the Moon, then aim the Laser and switch on. The PC measures the time it takes, there and back, and you have the distance of the Earth from the Moon. Seriously, the crew left such a Mirror there so Boffins could measure the change in distances of the Earth and Moon. Still there. still used. If they didn't go, how did it get there? Parcel Force,UPS, ?
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Post by: Colin Bishop on July 13, 2010, 03:38:38 pm
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If they didn't go, how did it get there? Parcel Force,UPS, ?
Dr Who of course....
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Post by: dodgy geezer on July 13, 2010, 06:48:01 pm
Seriously, the crew left such a Mirror there so Boffins could measure the change in distances of the Earth and Moon. Still there. still used. If they didn't go, how did it get there?
Of course, there is at least one other mirror up there - on top of the Russian Lunokhod 1 robot vehicle. The Russians never put a crew on the moon, but they still got a reflector there. Actually, rather a good one - I think it's currently out-performing the US one....
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Post by: jonny shoreboy on July 13, 2010, 07:53:23 pm
The best thing about this whole argument is that neither side can actually prove the other side is wrong. That's how a conspiracy theory works! :-))
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Post by: HawkEye on July 13, 2010, 09:33:22 pm
Well, this is supposedly "One of the best documentaries discussing the moon hoax", somewhat old but some very convincing evidence from people who seem to know what they are talking about.
Excerpts from the dvd of the same name ( the whole documentary is available if you google it )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiR6-NJN06c part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg8srEzjGuw part 2
HawkEye
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Post by: knoby on July 13, 2010, 10:28:33 pm
Since the Kremlin seemed to know more about American secrets than the Americans, surely Russia would have ripped the landings to pieces if they had the slightest evidence they were faked. After all when it comes down to it, the moon landings were just the ultimate way to prove capitalism was better than Communism, wasn't it?
Cheers Glenn
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Post by: RaaArtyGunner on July 13, 2010, 11:42:43 pm
Since the Kremlin seemed to know more about American secrets than the Americans, surely Russia would have ripped the landings to pieces if they had the slightest evidence they were faked. After all when it comes down to it, the moon landings were just the ultimate way to prove capitalism was better than Communism, wasn't it?
Cheers Glenn
What of the theory %) they are in on it ok2 to keep the space race alive and well? O0
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Post by: dodgy geezer on July 14, 2010, 07:36:49 am
After all when it comes down to it, the moon landings were just the ultimate way to prove capitalism was better than Communism, wasn't it? Cheers Glenn
I always thought that it was an attempt to prove that the Americans' captured German scientists were better than the Russians' captured German scientists....
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Post by: steamboatmodel on July 14, 2010, 01:43:56 pm
I always thought that it was an attempt to prove that the Americans' captured German scientists were better than the Russians' captured German scientists....
Actually It was the Canadian scientists from the Avro Arrow project that got the Yanks on the moon. Regards, Gerald.
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Post by: dodgy geezer on July 14, 2010, 02:22:13 pm
Never knew that Avro contributed to the Apollo project...or are you referring to the engineers who were thrown out of work when it was cancelled?
In any case, suggestions that it was a battle between Capitalism and Communism have always made me smile - given that the most impressive rocket engineering seems to have been performed under Fascism....
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Post by: The long Build on July 14, 2010, 05:52:45 pm
Oops Wrong Thread
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Post by: derekwarner on July 14, 2010, 06:02:48 pm
Actually It was the Canadian scientists from the Avro Arrow project that got the Yanks on the moon. Regards, Gerald.
{-) {-) {-) {-)....thanks Gerald........according to our teaching..... :-)...it was the triangular interpolated trajectory plotted via BIG OZ radio telescopes that led the path to the moon for the YANKS ........................ & more importantly for their return trip back home...........Derek O0
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Post by: steamboatmodel on July 15, 2010, 05:04:45 pm
Yes dodgy geezer It was the engineers who were thrown out of work when it was cancelled that I was referring to. If you listen to the Mythology around it they would have you believe that Arrow 2 would have flown there itself. ( I have read that the program was going to be cancelled after the election no matter who was elected) So Derek we got them there and you got them back. Gerald.
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Post by: Bryan Young on July 15, 2010, 06:35:12 pm
ar yes but how do you tell a 5 year old why austrailians dont fall off the earth i tried it gave up in the end
Why don't you just turn the map upside down and ask them why the Eskimos don't fall off? Apart from getting into esoteric stuff like gravity, you could always tell them that just because the maps are drawn that way, there's absolutely no reason to think that we are "that way up"...could be sideways. No ups or downs in space. BY.
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Post by: dreadnought72 on July 15, 2010, 07:59:29 pm
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Post by: The long Build on September 07, 2011, 12:03:07 pm
Naah Photo Shopped :}
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Post by: dreadnought72 on September 07, 2011, 12:16:14 pm
A similarly convincing batch of evidence comes from Kaguya, the Japanese satellite that mapped and measured the Moon with hi-resolution cameras a couple of years ago.
By creating DEMs (digital elevation models) from the Kaguya data obtained around the Apollo 15 site, it's possible to construct a view of the landscape as it would be seen from the ground.
This video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wp3pJvAyOQ&) shows the results.
No surprise that they match.
Now, can the conspirators explain how (and indeed why) NASA, in the 60's, and without similar high-quality maps, DEMs, or the computer power to process images in this way, constructed a fake (but exact) copy of the real topography?
Answer: they couldn't. QED: NASA and people went to the Moon.
That's the end of this thread, surely?
Andy
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Post by: The long Build on September 07, 2011, 12:41:32 pm
ANow, can the conspirators explain how (and indeed why) NASA, in the 60's, and without similar high-quality maps, DEMs, or the computer power to process images in this way, constructed a fake (but exact) copy of the real topography? Andy
Well if they had the Tech to get people to the Moon ....
Admittedly it looks more convincing but until the average person can view the moon themselves this will go on for years..
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Post by: treeboa on September 07, 2011, 01:02:07 pm
nah the `satellite` was paid for by nasa, it was hanging over pinewoods old apollo studio with a new finepix camera gaffa taped on it, if you look carefully you will see captain slog from star trek peering over one of the craters {-) also audio had to be removed because apparently you could hear the clangers :-X
nah seriously, i remember as a school kid being allowed to stay up all night on the first landing, not long after i purchased the record of the whole episode, not for us mere mortals to have cds and videos for many years
funny enough my old man was a radar/radio tech in the raf, he used to tell me the ruskies had sent men to the moon but they never made it alive, apparently there were radio communications that proved this, end the day your that far from home that one cockup could mean your on a one way journey, apollo 13 proved that
pointless going back there, nowt of value worth having nor can we as a species survive there without life support systems, its close enough to the earth that a major calamity that would affect our survival like an asteroid impact would affect the moon as well
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Post by: davidm1945 on September 07, 2011, 01:04:31 pm
Its very simple if you think that the moon landings are a hoax then you should have your right to vote removed,along with those who think the world is flat, that little green men visit use on a regular basis and adults who read Harry Potter books.
Absolutely, with the exception of Harry Potter books!!
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Post by: The long Build on September 07, 2011, 01:09:23 pm
pointless going back there, nowt of value worth having nor can we as a species survive there without life support systems, its close enough to the earth that a major calamity that would affect our survival like an asteroid impact would affect the moon as well
I think this is the thought that President Obama had, when he pulled the plug on the funding.
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Post by: rickles23 on September 07, 2011, 02:17:03 pm
Hi, We did a complete workshop on the moon landing photographs at college and I can assure everyone that there was a color camera that transmitted live color television and a camera that transmitted live video of the Apollo 11 astronaut's moonwalks.
Easiest thing to do is to email NASA... :}
Regards
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Post by: dodgy geezer on September 07, 2011, 02:50:20 pm
This may be of interest... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_Flat_Earth
well thats just ruined my excuses about why i cant take her on long trips, took me ages to convince her n the kids that the seaside was exactly that, a side, a side of the earth and you would fall off {-)
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Post by: irishcarguy on September 07, 2011, 05:40:49 pm
What ever happened to building model boats & do they float on the moon, & how do we get them there ??, take them to Pinewood I suppose or would the fare from Hollywood be cheaper ?, by the way I met Elvis the other day in Mercury & he is well & learning to play guitar. Mick B.
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Post by: richald on September 07, 2011, 05:46:14 pm
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Post by: elvis on September 08, 2011, 07:03:28 am
hi all. I think they did get to the moon and land, but I alos think that nasa faked a few pictures. there was a link on yahoo yesterday that showed the tracks, landing sites and alll the gear that was left on the surface. the pistures were taken fron 15miles above the surface. all the best
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Post by: nhp651 on September 08, 2011, 08:15:30 am
thanks Elvis..........speaking of elvis.....saw him down the local pond the other day, sailing a mississippi stern wheeler, singing Heartbreak Hotel as it sank!!! %% %%
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Post by: rickles23 on September 08, 2011, 08:45:44 am
Hi,
"sailing a mississippi stern wheeler, singing Heartbreak Hotel as it sank!!! "
Was it overweight?
Regards
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Post by: nhp651 on September 08, 2011, 08:52:12 am
yep.....think it's name was Mac Donald {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Post by: rickles23 on September 08, 2011, 01:35:11 pm
Yep, I'll pay that one! Regards
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on September 08, 2011, 05:14:53 pm
There's a guy down the chips shop 'swears', He's Elvis!
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Post by: tony52 on September 08, 2011, 06:22:38 pm
There's a guy down the chips shop 'swears', He's Elvis!
What a sad story of the singer Kirsty Macoll
Tony.
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Post by: justboatonic on September 08, 2011, 06:30:16 pm
Oh dear, these people who claim the US didnt land on the moon or faked pictures seriously do my head in. If they'd stop for a moment, they'd realise the russians would have been all over thislike a rash if it was faked and, the sheer number of people needed to be involved just makes it impossible to sustain the 'fake.'
This crackpot conspiracy, and that's what it is, only got legs after Capricorn One hit the cinema 10 years after the landings. Before that, nothing!
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Post by: thegrimreaper on September 08, 2011, 06:58:06 pm
Think the day the earth stood still (old version) NASA landed on the moon were warned not to when the warning was not heeded Apollo 13 was wounded as a further warning to us earth dwellers that we were not welcome in space because we are a waring entity that would upset the status quo of all the other entitys in the galaxy, maybe one day we will be allowed to continue space exploration but only when we have learned to live together in peace
Now beam me up Scotty
Regards
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Post by: RaaArtyGunner on September 08, 2011, 09:38:04 pm
Obviously der Ruskies are in on the conspiracy thereby keeping the 'space race' alive. %) %) %)
Why did they get rid of Fox & Scully , cause they were getting close to, the truth would set us free O0 O0 O0
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Post by: fatcat123 on September 08, 2011, 10:09:27 pm
What do we all think of this photo
This is the only occurrence of astronauts visiting a probe sent to another world.
It is of course the apollo 12 guys visiting the Surveyor 3 probe sent to the moon in 1967.
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Post by: irishcarguy on September 09, 2011, 06:49:27 am
What kind of boats do you build grimreaper ?, Scotty may need one to beam you up LOL. Mick B.
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Post by: irishcarguy on September 09, 2011, 07:17:16 am
I am leaving in the morning to check all this out ,now Scotty get my rocket ready & remember we need bigger sails this time.
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Post by: malcolmfrary on September 09, 2011, 11:09:11 am
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Easiest thing to do is to email NASA...
..trouble is, the conspiracy nuts would insist that the reply was a pack of porkies. Even if you took one up there he would claim that it was all special effects, even as he was floating away. If he came back as a convert, all of his mates would denounce him as part of the conspiracy, being the kind of people who are unable to let anything get in the way of their obsession, especially when it gets them attention.
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Post by: dreadnought72 on September 09, 2011, 12:00:11 pm
Second landing on the Moon and it was pinpoint. Awesome flying by Conrad and Bean.
It's a real shame that the camera self-timer they took couldn't be found. There are no high quality still photographs of two astronauts on the Moon together.
And while I'm droning on about ancient history (!) is everyone aware of the Photoshop work done to create some fantastic panoramas (http://moonpans.com/prints/lambda.htm)? (That's Photoshop as in "stitch images together" and "paint out the fiducial marks".)
Andy
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Post by: fatcat123 on September 09, 2011, 05:50:12 pm
Yeah anything's possible with photoshop, just look at some glamour mags.
I honestly don't know what to believe. I find it hard to believe that this was achieved with the technology at the time, but then again id like to think that they did do it.
Some observatory shines a laser up to one of the apollo sites where a mirror of some kind was left, in order for distance calculations to be done. That didn't get up there by itself.
On another note, why havnt the russians been up there? or atleast made it public if they had?
Along the same topic of technology, look at voyager 1, some 16 light hours away from earth which equates to something like 10 billion miles. Launched in the 70's and still going strong and its expected to last for another 14 years or so based on its power supply. The point im trying to make is that we've sent hundreds of probes out, a lot of which in the moon landings period, so obviously there was a certain level of technology in which to completely automate or atleast put in place a method of computer radio control, so why couldnt two guys land something with their bare hands?
Another point of mine which i made to an astronomer at my local flying club is how are things kept on trajectory. i.e new horizons probe currently going to pluto. The answer is by using the stars. If they can send these probes to the far reach of the solar system, why cant we stick a few guys on the moon.
I guess we will never know the answer.
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 09, 2011, 06:15:41 pm
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I guess we will never know the answer.
Why would you say that? The progress of rocket science is well documented since the days of the German V2 on which subsequent development was based. Nothing magic about it, just good engineering and an unlimited budget. (which the Russians couldn't match). The answer is clear enough for those who take the trouble to read up on the subject and develop some understanding of it.
Would you contend that Concorde didn't really exist because the technology of the time was not up to flying at Mach 2 and how could they possibly have managed with dials with needles that went round and round?
A lot of stuff which you think is modern today was actually invented a good deal earlier than you might expect. And just look at something like the complexity of a 15 inch gun turret, capable of throwing a 1920lb shell over 20 miles and able to hit at that range. The original 15 inch turret mechanism was in production before WW1 when if you called a taxi it had a horse on the front!
At the risk of starting a controversy, I would refer to the books of Richard Dawkins, particularly 'Climbing Mount Improbable'. Many people see something like the human eye as being something miraculous but he quite clearly shows how it is simply a logical result of evolution. No magic I'm afraid!
Colin
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Post by: malcolmfrary on September 09, 2011, 06:26:56 pm
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If they can send these probes to the far reach of the solar system, why cant we stick a few guys on the moon.
I guess we will never know the answer.
As the great Derek Warwick said after bouncing his Arrows 300 yards upside down at the end of practice for a German GP many years ago when he clambered out of the remains "Its just a question of time and money". The US financial centres have been siphoning money out of the system for the last forty years at an ever increasing rate. You cannot have both incredibly rich bankers and a space program at the same time.
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Post by: HawkEye on September 09, 2011, 10:30:55 pm
Did they go ? - I'm still on the fence leaning towards no.
China has completed the highest resolution map of the moon to date but to my knowledge there are no realeased photo's of any NASA ( never a straight answer ) landing sites from them.
As a brief example of fake? pictures have a look at this website, scroll down the page ( or watch the film if you wish ) to the moon type pictures.
http://www.theorionconspiracy.com/
Part 2 of an old 5 part documentary, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon
The only way to know for sure is to hop on the next moon bus and see for yourself, unfortunately nothing can be proven either way with images or video these days.
I remember reading somewhere that the Science museum has an exhibition of the lunar lander and an astronaut but the astronaut could not fit through the door of the lander with his back pack on !.
HawkEye
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Post by: justboatonic on September 09, 2011, 10:47:02 pm
Did they go ? - I'm still on the fence leaning towards no.
China has completed the highest resolution map of the moon to date but to my knowledge there are no realeased photo's of any NASA ( never a straight answer ) landing sites from them.
As a brief example of fake? pictures have a look at this website, scroll down the page ( or watch the film if you wish ) to the moon type pictures.
http://www.theorionconspiracy.com/
Part 2 of an old 5 part documentary, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon
The only way to know for sure is to hop on the next moon bus and see for yourself, unfortunately nothing can be proven either way with images or video these days.
HawkEye
Sorry but are you serious?
I mean, so China (that bastion of truth and freedom of expression) hasnt said anything about the US landings so that's an indication that the landings didnt happen? And then some crackpot conspiracy web sites say it aint so, so, that must be the truth (and remember what these kooks say about the twin towers!).
I saw one old guy say the US didnt go to the moon because you couldnt operate a gloved hand pressurised to 14 psi, the air pressure here at ground level. he then proceeded to demonstrate with one of those gloves you get from a diy store than has a red rubber finish on the outside, put it in a self made vacuum chamber and pump out all the air. He then put his hand in the glove and said 'look, see? I cant bend my fingers in the glove in a vacuum and they tell us the astronauts picked up bolders and used hand operated cameras. Course it was faked!'
Trouble was, he didnt or couldnt be arsed to check his facts. If he had, he would have discovered the US pressurises space suits to about 6psi, less than half what he used in his experiment!
There are no dubious pictures of the moon landings. People who claim there were two light sources indicated by the pictures dont know what they are taking about. Even myth busters proved the conspiracy theories about two light sources as false, that you shouldnt be able to see astronauts in shadow clearly as false and that the same location was used as the back drop of many shots was false.
To say nothing can be proved is frankly ludicrous. Now if you had said some people wont believe anything even when all the facts are systematically proved, now that I can believe.
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 09, 2011, 10:54:24 pm
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remember reading somewhere that the Science museum has an exhibition of the lunar lander and an astronaut but the astronaut could not fit through the door of the lander with his back pack on !.
Typical hearsay, that's how these things spread. Someone said that.... and so it must be true. Have you been to the Science Museum and looked at the hatch? No, I thought not!
I remember it well enough at the time, the science was entirely credible, a conspiracy suggesting otherwise simply doesn't make sense, except to those who still believe that Elvis is is still alive and well.
People who suggest otherwise are basically just ignorant - sorry!
Colin
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Post by: fatcat123 on September 09, 2011, 10:57:50 pm
I must admit, at first i didn't believe it. Ive seen programmes on TV, but these things are never neutral and fail to mention the proof.
Ive changed my opinion to believe that we went, however my mind remains open.
I also firmly believe some of the photographs were faked - why, well maybe camera failure and nasa felt they had to prove it...
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Post by: justboatonic on September 09, 2011, 11:13:01 pm
Yeah anything's possible with photoshop, just look at some glamour mags.
I honestly don't know what to believe. I find it hard to believe that this was achieved with the technology at the time, but then again id like to think that they did do it.
What technology dont you think existed in the late 1969 and early 70's to send man to the moon? Space flight? Well that was well practiced by both the US and USSR. Computers? Conspiracy theorist always says the computers wouldnt fit in Apollo. They were correct. The computers (large ones) were on the ground.
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Some observatory shines a laser up to one of the apollo sites where a mirror of some kind was left, in order for distance calculations to be done. That didn't get up there by itself.
On another note, why havnt the russians been up there? or atleast made it public if they had?
The early 60's was a space race to the moon. When the Us got there first and won, what was the point of the USSR going when they would be second? The USSR concentrated on extended missions in low earth orbit after the Apollo landings. They had considered sending a single man on a non return mission but then decided against it.
I dont see the logic in the argument that because the russians didnt go to the moon, for whatever reason, indicates the US didnt either!
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Along the same topic of technology, look at voyager 1, some 16 light hours away from earth which equates to something like 10 billion miles. Launched in the 70's and still going strong and its expected to last for another 14 years or so based on its power supply. The point im trying to make is that we've sent hundreds of probes out, a lot of which in the moon landings period, so obviously there was a certain level of technology in which to completely automate or atleast put in place a method of computer radio control, so why couldnt two guys land something with their bare hands?
Armstrong did land 'with his bare hands' as you put it. He clearly took control of the last 5 minutes of the landing. I'd imagine all the lunar landings were actually done by the lander pilot rather than computers. Voyager and Pioneer probes arent manned. So, while intricate machines, they dont need to be pressuried to support life. also, as you point out, these probes are one way missions. You'd hardly expect that for manned missions although the russians did at one point.
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Another point of mine which i made to an astronomer at my local flying club is how are things kept on trajectory. i.e new horizons probe currently going to pluto. The answer is by using the stars. If they can send these probes to the far reach of the solar system, why cant we stick a few guys on the moon.
I guess we will never know the answer.
Probes and manned craft arent kept on course by the stars, they only navigate by them. They have inertial guidance systems ie gyros and thrusters to keep them on course although sometimes, they do use the gravity of planets to speed a probe up and change its course. However, you are still ignoring basic facts. These probes are unmanned. They are one way missions. They dont have to sustain life and carry food, oxygen and living quarters.
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 09, 2011, 11:14:51 pm
It's not impossible that some of the photos may have been retouched but the facilities to do that sort of thing that we now take for granted (Photoshop) didn't exist in those days.
These latest hi res photos from the Moon would seem to prove the reality once and for all. The idea that some sort of conspiracy should have continued from 1969 to the present really does defy credibility. What would be the point and why would two generations maintain the pretext? Just doesn't make sense. After all it's not as if there was anything vital at stake. It's just that some people like to see mysteries where none exist.
Colin
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Post by: justboatonic on September 09, 2011, 11:20:44 pm
It's not impossible that some of the photos may have been retouched but the facilities to do that sort of thing that we now take for granted (Photoshop) didn't exist in those days.
These latest hi res photos from the Moon would seem to prove the reality once and for all. The idea that some sort of conspiracy should have continued from 1969 to the present really does defy credibility. What would be the point and why would two generations maintain the pretext? Just doesn't make sense. After all it's not as if there was anything vital at stake. It's just that some people like to see mysteries where none exist.
Colin
Colin, you may be aware that people refer to the 'C' rock when they talk about the landings conspiracy. They say this photo proves the landing site was a stage because 'props' are itemised etc. in this example, the conspiracy goes, a rock marked 'C' is clearly visible in one of the moon photos and indicates it is a prop someone forgot to remove before the pic was taken.
However, the 'C' in question is a tiny hair which go on the negative when it was developed. but NASA would say that, wouldnt they ;)
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Post by: HawkEye on September 09, 2011, 11:29:07 pm
Typical hearsay, that's how these things spread. Someone said that.... and so it must be true. Have you been to the Science Museum and looked at the hatch? No, I thought not!
I remember it well enough at the time, the science was entirely credible, a conspiracy suggesting otherwise simply doesn't make sense, except to those who still believe that Elvis is is still alive and well.
People who suggest otherwise are basically just ignorant - sorry!
Colin
Ignorant !- Oh dear ! :(( , this is only a friendly chat, I'm not trying to prove anything one way or another, just offering information that those that may be interested can research and make up their own minds.It is not up to me (or anyone else) to force one's opinions on other people. This subject along with many others will continue to cause controversy due to discrepancies in the information supplied to the public over the years.
Have a nice day
HawkEye
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Post by: justboatonic on September 09, 2011, 11:35:08 pm
Ignorant !- Oh dear ! :(( , this is only a friendly chat, I'm not trying to prove anything one way or another, just offering information that those that may be interested can research and make up their own minds.It is not up to me (or anyone else) to force one's opinions on other people. This subject along with many others will continue to cause controversy due to discrepancies in the information supplied to the public over the years.
Have a nice day
HawkEye
The only discrepancies are those offered by the conspiracy theorists. And all those have been soundly disproved if people bothered to investigate. I have yet to see any discrepancies in the information NASA or other agencies supplied to the public over the years.
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 09, 2011, 11:41:52 pm
Splitting hairs! ok2
When you visit the Science Museum you can't fail to be impressed with the progress Britain made towards space exploration. You can visit the Isle of Wight, as I did the other day, and see where the rocket engines were tested. None of this was faked although the Government subsequently cancelled the programme . It is quite clear that the technology existed to put men on the Moon in the late 1960s and it was only for political reasons that further progress was curtailed. The trouble is that people prefer to credit conspiracy or even alien activity instead of the far more plausible mundane reasons for not continuing with the lunar exploration programme which was that the US beat the Russians to it and there was no compelling reason to continue after that on cost grounds. The future lay in near space orbit for both military and commercial reasons and that is what happened.
Colin
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 09, 2011, 11:44:54 pm
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Ignorant !- Oh dear ! , this is only a friendly chat, I'm not trying to prove anything one way or another, just offering information that those that may be interested can research and make up their own minds.It is not up to me (or anyone else) to force one's opinions on other people.
Maybe, but you are simply peddling hearsay rather than making a considered judgement and that adds nothing to the argument. No offence meant.
Colin
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Post by: RaaArtyGunner on September 10, 2011, 06:51:59 am
The only discrepancies are those offered by the conspiracy theorists. And all those have been soundly disproved if people bothered to investigate. I have yet to see any discrepancies in the information NASA or other agencies supplied to the public over the years.
Well you, NASA and others haven't convinced me.
You have to think for yourself and not blindly accept all that is put before you.
There are many examples of the "public", which includes you, being misinformed for a variety of reasons, eg National security.
Even though Russia was not first to the "moon'????????, Do you really believe, that their idealogy would permit the US to be one up and that they wouldn't give it a shot.
As they say, until it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, then it is all hearsay. O0 O0 O0 :-)) :-)) :-))
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Post by: derekwarner on September 10, 2011, 09:43:47 am
Hi ....RaaArtyGunner .....do you think that our Andy would tell porkers? >>:-( ....he knows the truth......... :kiss: .....................Derek
Andrew "Andy" Sydney Withiel Thomas (born 18 December 1951 in Adelaide, South Australia) is an Australian-born American aerospace engineer and a NASA astronaut. He became a U.S. citizen in December 1986, hoping to gain entry to NASA's astronaut program.[1] He is married to fellow NASA astronaut Shannon Walker.
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 10, 2011, 10:07:41 am
Well obviously governments and others try to hoodwink the general public on a regular basis, usually to try and conceal something they’ve done which they shouldn’t have. Usually the truth will come out eventually.
The problem with conspiracy proponents, whether it is moon landings, the sinking of the Titanic, 9/11 or even the various crackpot theories surrounding the Pyramids, is that they seize upon certain apparent anomalies or inconsistencies in their chosen subject and then extrapolate a huge edifice of supposition on a very narrow base. Occam’s Razor goes out of the window. If you tell me that NASA faked some photos because some of the the ones taken by the astronauts didn’t come out then I might be inclined to believe you but to suggest that this means they never went to the moon at all just doesn’t cut it when you step back and look at the bigger picture.
I think most reasonable people would accept that there was indeed a space race going on in the 1950s and 1960s and that lots of rockets were shot into the sky. The conspiracy people seem to be suggesting that at some point the top guy at NASA called his staff together and said ‘Now look lads, this Moonshot business just ain’t gonna work so we are going to have to fake it to fool the Russians (despite the US Government being riddled with Russian spies at the time!) and keep the public off our backs for wasting all those tax dollars.’ And so they enlisted hundreds, if not thousands of people into setting up an elaborate fake landing, not one of whom has admitted to it 40 years later.
Not content with this, they then faked another five landings plus a heroic disaster scenario thrown in as well.
And then, just last week, NASA presumably faked yet another set of photos showing the (non existent) landing sites despite the fact that very few of the original staff working on the Apollo programme would still be in post 40 years later so the secret must have been passed down within the organisation, again without anyone coming clean.
And the Russians, who had everything to gain from exposing any coverup and who were best placed through their own technology and spies inside the US administration to detect it, never said a word.
Sorry, pull the other one!
Colin
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Post by: justboatonic on September 10, 2011, 11:07:15 am
You have to think for yourself and not blindly accept all that is put before you.
There are many examples of the "public", which includes you, being misinformed for a variety of reasons, eg National security.
Even though Russia was not first to the "moon'????????, Do you really believe, that their idealogy would permit the US to be one up and that they wouldn't give it a shot.
As they say, until it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, then it is all hearsay. O0 O0 O0 :-)) :-)) :-))
LOL! 'You have to think for yourself and not blindly accept all that is put before you.' seriously, you couldnt make a statement like that up!
Have to say, I sat through all that era so I dont 'blindly' accept all that is put before me. I examine the information presented to me. I listen to the theories then investigate if they stack up. As I said in a previous post, no one mentioned fake landing until Capricorn One some ten years later. If there was all this information available immediately after the landings ie two light sources in the pictures, flag 'waving' in a vacuum etc, why were these 'clear' indications of fake mentioned in 69, 70, 72 and 74 and not more than 10 years later?
Did the conspiracy theorist just decide to keep quiet for 10 plus years and not look at the information?
You talk about blindly accepting what is put before you yet you do exactly the same only your \ the theorists version doesnt stack up.
Seriously, have you investigated the effects of sun light on the moons surface regarding the two light sources claim? Have you investigated the mechanism of the flag equipment? Do you not question why there was no fake landing theories for over 10 years then started to surface only after Capricorn One? Do you not question the co incidence in that fact?
Your statement about russia frankly amazes me. Have you heard of the russian space shuttle? They lost that race too yet did they continue with their shuttle programme because according to your logic, they should have due to their 'ideology would (not) permit the US to be one up'?
Im not bothered about convincing you or other fake landing theorist because clearly, you wont recognise substantiated facts when put in front of you. In fact I think an aged Aldrin had the best answer to a fake landing theorist when he laid him out with a right hook :-))
What I want to see proved by fake landing theorist is actual substance to these claims. A good start would be evidence for the existence of and location of the supposed film set where the landings 'happened,' signed affidavits from people who built, maintained and eventually dismantled the studio and who took part in the fakes.
There must have been undreds of people involved in this but where are they? Where is one person who can produce the slimest of evidence for this?
By your own statement of not blinding accepting, where is your evidence to support this?
BTW, an Aussie radio telescope was instrumental in securing tv transmissions from the Eagle and apollo 11 (having first lost contact with them for over 24 hours!). Are you saying your fellow aussies were complicite in the fakes as well?
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Post by: derekwarner on September 10, 2011, 11:16:04 am
Sorry Colin......the Yanks don't say....or phrase...... ‘Now look lads, .... >>:-( ....so who are you attempting to confuse?.........Derek
& thanks justboatonic for your note :-))
BTW, an Aussie radio telescope was instrumental in securing tv transmissions from the Eagle and apollo 11 (having first lost contact with them for over 24 hours!). Are you saying your fellow aussies were complicite in the fakes as well?
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Post by: nhp651 on September 10, 2011, 01:34:49 pm
what i want to know.....as with any conspiracy, unless it actually harms national security...........
DOES IT REALLY MATTER to the ordinary man in the street.
i couldn't care less whether they landed on the mood, whether elvis is alive and well and living in down town Knott End on Seqa, or who shot JFK/JR EWING..........so long as i can live in my own little world and beleive what i want to without people continually pontificating and telling me what i do believe is wrong and incorrect. a tunneled vision, it may be....but i couldn't care less.
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Post by: Dekan on September 10, 2011, 01:52:48 pm
The Chinese have already started planning the construction of the first hotel and shopping mall.
The Americans have put in a bid for a car factory.
The British won't go yet as they don't expect to have finished the risk analysis before 2027, and that is just the risk analysis for the QUANGO that Mandelson will be in charge of.
I dont know... but some days I get tired of the English being considered the laughing stock of the world :(( mostly by expats, who should now better than run down their birth place
In any case by then the population of this "fair Isle" will be about 80million at the current rate of growth... so by then the thought of doing anything will be academic I wonder how long it will be before we get out first Muslim prime minster %)
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 10, 2011, 01:53:06 pm
i couldn't care less whether they landed on the mood, whether elvis is alive and well and living in down town Knott End on Seqa, or who shot JFK/JR EWING..........so long as i can live in my own little world and beleive what i want to without people continually pontificating and telling me what i do believe is wrong and incorrect. a tunneled vision, it may be....but i couldn't care less.
Bravo and well said, Mr H-P!! I too don't give a flying fairy's - but it was damned good TV for that time in the morning, wasn't it? DM
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Post by: nhp651 on September 10, 2011, 03:24:19 pm
Sorry Colin......the Yanks don't say....or phrase...... ‘Now look lads, .... >>:-( ....so who are you attempting to confuse?.........Derek
BTW, an Aussie radio telescope was instrumental in securing tv transmissions from the Eagle and apollo 11 (having first lost contact with them for over 24 hours!). Are you saying your fellow aussies were complicite in the fakes as well?
Well I do... >>:-( >>:-(
And Yes most Probably.. :}
oh And NHP I'm with you on that 2 different sets of views and when those who think they did land realise it was all a lie we will all be better off.. :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: 8) 8)
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Post by: justboatonic on September 10, 2011, 07:55:19 pm
Hmmmm. This thread needs locking :police:
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Post by: The long Build on September 10, 2011, 08:01:03 pm
Why ?? Just because there are 2 groups..
Those who say they did visit the moon . and those who say they did not..
There has been no flaming and in my opionon as the Titanic thread is a bit of banter, this will die down over time until more pictures or a new set of evidence is presented, also it is the chit chat section. if anybody does not like the thread then move on..
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Post by: Dekan on September 10, 2011, 08:09:20 pm
Why lock it? There ar no controversial views here.... nothing that hasn't been said before...Nobody's mentioned JFK or Roswell yet %)
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Post by: The long Build on September 10, 2011, 08:12:58 pm
Well no conspiracy on Roswell is there? we all know it was a crashed Alien Asgard ship.
For the truth on Roswell just see "Independence Day" Then "Men in Black" As for the Moon landings I was in High School at the time and we managed to pick up radio signals from the moon. Regards, Gerald.
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Post by: ZZ56 on September 11, 2011, 01:10:36 am
On a more serious note, Tim Printy has compiled an excellent rundown on the Roswell case. http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/Roswellmain.htm (http://home.comcast.net/~tprinty/UFO/Roswellmain.htm) It includes a lengthy summary of the event and a lot of side 'papers' dealing with particular claims made by people in the case.
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Post by: RaaArtyGunner on September 11, 2011, 04:14:24 am
And so the saga continues.
NASA launches satellites to map Moon • From: AFP • September 10, 2011 11:48PM NASA today launched a $500 million pair of washing-machine-sized satellites on a mission to map the Moon's inner core for the first time. The twin spacecraft took off from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida on a three-month journey to the Moon at 9:08 am (local time) aboard a Delta II rocket. "Liftoff of the Delta II with GRAIL, on a journey to the center of the moon," NASA commentator George Diller said upon blast-off of the GRAIL mission, which stands for Gravity Recovery and Interior Laboratory. High upper level winds delayed the first launch attempt on Thursday, and also briefly set back today's launch. The duo will travel to the Moon for more than three months, arriving into a polar lunar orbit one after the other around New Year's Day. With one spacecraft trailing the other, the plan is for the two to use gravity tools to map the terrain beneath, revealing the contents of the inner core of the Moon, about which little is known. The mission should also shed light on the unexplored far side of the Moon, and perhaps tell scientists whether there was once a second Moon that fused with ours. "GRAIL will be the first mission to determine the internal structure of the Moon," program scientist Bobby Fogel said. "We have used gravity science before to try to gain some insight as to what is going on inside the Moon, however these have been very primitive attempts. "If those previous attempts could be likened to a magnifying glass, GRAIL by contrast would be a high-powered microscope." Scientists believe that the Moon was formed when a planet-sized object crashed into the Earth, throwing off a load of material that eventually became what we now recognise as our planet's airless, desolate satellite. How it heated up over time, creating a magma ocean that later crystallized, remains a mystery, despite 109 past missions to study the Moon since 1959, and the fact that 12 humans have walked on its surface. A recent hypothesis that there may have been two Moons that slowly merged into each other can also be tested with this mission, said principal investigator Maria Zuber. "If we want to reconstruct the evolution of the Moon over time, we certainly need to reconstruct the temperature structure of the Moon right now," she said. Little is known for certain about what lies inside the Moon. The widely held belief that there is a small solid iron core surrounded by a liquid iron core is unproven, Ms Zuber said. "It is actually quite possible that deep inside the Moon the core could be titanium oxide, which is a material that would have fallen out or would have crystallized out of the magma ocean and sunk to the deep interior of the Moon," she said. Once the GRAIL twins enter the orbit of the Moon, they will line up with each other and "essentially chase each other around in a polar orbit as the Moon rotates slowly underneath them," Ms Zuber said. They will hover about 55 kilometers above the lunar surface, with the distance between them ranging from 60 to 225 kilometers, collecting measurements of the terrain beneath. The duo will accomplish the mission's primary aim of understanding the Moon's inner character by performing a series of low-altitude gravity field measurements using what is known as a Ka-band ranging instrument. The mission itself is relatively short in duration, just 90 days once the two spacecraft reach orbit. About 40 days after their work is done, the pair will plunge into the lunar surface, NASA said. Scientific analysis of their data is expected to continue for a year. The project is part of NASA's Discovery program, which has launched 10 spacecraft since 1992 to study the solar system. Last month, NASA launched its billion-dollar solar-powered spacecraft Juno on a five-year journey to Jupiter aiming to discover what makes up the solar system's biggest planet. After GRAIL, the US space agency plans to launch its Mars Science Laboratory in November on a nearly two-year journey to the red planet.
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Post by: tony52 on September 11, 2011, 10:26:28 am
the US space agency plans to launch its Mars Science Laboratory in November on a nearly two-year journey to the red planet.
The work and photography carried out by the two Mars rovers, Spirit and Opportunity has been excellent. It would appear that the red planet is another lifeless rock. Liquid (water?) looks as if it flowed on this planet billions of years ago. Any atmosphere this planet once had has been destroyed by the solar winds, fortunately for us the earth is protected against this.
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Post by: fatcat123 on September 11, 2011, 10:57:51 am
Once again, people can't express an opinion without the other side taking offence and it all kicking off. Its pathetic.
This site is supposed to be fun, informative, but instead, its turning into utter misery.
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Post by: dodgy geezer on September 11, 2011, 11:01:12 am
The work and photography carried out by the two Mars rovers, Spirit and Opportunity has been excellent. It would appear that the red planet is another lifeless rock. Liquid (water?) looks as if it flowed on this planet billions of years ago. Any atmosphere this planet once had has been destroyed by the solar winds, fortunately for us the earth is protected against this.
I do seem to get drawn into these discussions, don't I?
One of the key recent findings from Spirit is the prevalence of sub-surface water on Mars. http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-10/29/stuck-rover-finds-water
And there are continuous tantalising hints of recently flowing water. Certainly within the past million or so years - possibly still today. Here are some old comments: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10740-water-flows-on-mars-before-our-very-eyes.html and http://www.space.com/2340-gullies-mark-water-flow-mars.html , while here are some more recent ones: http://www.tgdaily.com/space-features/51482-water-abundant-in-mars-recent-past and http://freethoughtblogs.com/zingularity/2011/08/05/mars-reconnaissance-finds-evidecne-of-recent-water/ .
It looks as if the planet is still quite geologically active, and there is quite a lot going on just under the soil.
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Post by: justboatonic on September 11, 2011, 11:21:05 am
Once again, people can't express an opinion without the other side taking offence and it all kicking off. Its pathetic.
This site is supposed to be fun, informative, but instead, its turning into utter misery.
That's because people with similar opinions to you (the landings were fake) cast off many thousand's of people's work, sometimes a lifetime of work stretching many years from Project Mercury to Project Apollo, as mere myth. I fail to understand how or why you and others dont grasp that concept. Perhaps you could post a build thread of a boat then we could all claim you didnt build it and you have merely lifted the pictures from another site or just photoshopped someone else's project?
OK, it doesnt have the same world wide impact but people would still be dismissing your work. Maybe you wouldnt be bothered (I mean in reality who would?) because its just 'your' boat and insignificant in the scheme of things. But imagine for a moment, it wasnt insignificant.
I find it particularly annoying that the fake landing people always trot out the same line that others 'believe what their Government tells them and dont investigate.' How ironic and incorrect. I dont just 'accept' what others say in such situations. I investigate and I also know through that investigation that not one of the fake landing theories stands up to that investigation.
This is an excellent article about conspiracy believers. Its not about the moon landings but the theme is the same.
Before we congratulate ourselves on standing shoulder to shoulder with America after 9/11, perhaps we ought to consider the following shameful statistic from a BBC poll: a quarter of young Britons believe that the attacks were carried out by the government of the United States.
Some conspiracy theories are plausible. I’ve read books about JFK’s assassination that make sense for at least the first 50 pages. (My favourite is David Scheim’s investigative study, whose title subtly guides the reader towards the identity of the culprits. It’s called The Mafia Killed President Kennedy.) But to believe that the CIA demolished the Twin Towers you have to be a) mad, b) malicious, c) intellectually lazy or d) drunk – Charlie Sheen is a voluble 9/11 sceptic.
The events of September 11, 2001 inevitably threw up lots of supposed anomalies for conspiracy theorists to sink their unbrushed teeth into. This was the most complicated terrorist atrocity ever committed: three sets of mass murders, plotted in at least five countries, by a fanatical sub-sect of Islam whose paranoid modus operandi was a mystery to nearly everyone, including its members.
The problem for 9/11 conspiracy merchants is that none of the anomalies amounts to much on its own. It’s surprising that the 7 World Trade Center building collapsed despite not being hit by a plane – surprising, that is, if you choose not to believe the structural engineers who discovered how uncontrolled fires caused support columns to collapse. And that’s the strongest so-called anomaly: other “clues”, such as the supposed missile-shaped hole in the Pentagon and the alleged lack of debris at the crash site in Pennsylvania, turn to dust as soon as you look at photographs other than the ones carefully chosen by conspiracy theorists.
But the 9/11 deniers have two mighty weapons. One is technological. In the age of the internet, if you don’t want to read evidence that contradicts your fantasies, then you don’t need to. Just visit one of hundreds of websites that will supply you with freshly minted “evidence” to replace any bits of your theory that have fallen apart on you.
The other weapon is cultural. Thanks, in part, to multiculturalism, facts have been reduced to accessories in the West’s intellectual wardrobe. The postmodern message is that your version of reality is part of you; don’t let inconvenient truths damage your customised worldview and your self-esteem.
It’s an irony that, in America, an intellectual method derived from quasi-Marxist identity politics is borrowed by the Right-wing nutjobs who increasingly dominate the 9/11-denier community. In Britain, however, conspiracy theories serve as a bridge between the “intellectual” Left and their allies. A Pew Global Attitudes poll found that only 17 per cent of British Muslims believed that Arabs were involved in the September 11 attacks, as opposed to 48 per cent of French Muslims.
Why is there such a difference between Britain and France? Perhaps because our education system is not so much secular as multiculturalist. The mantra of the 1960s generation was, if it feels good, do it. Today we’re told that if it feels good, believe it – particularly if you belong to a minority group that, by virtue of past suffering, is morally obliged to challenge the official (that is, fact-based) “narrative” of historical events. To quote an old Scientology slogan: “If it’s true for you, it’s true.”
That’s not just a triumph for the forces of ignorance; it’s also, 10 years on, a little posthumous victory for Osama bin Laden.
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Post by: Dekan on September 11, 2011, 06:59:45 pm
Usually you don't have to look far to find the nay sayers motives ...They have a book, article or film to sell :}
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Post by: RaaArtyGunner on September 12, 2011, 01:30:26 am
Here is a thought, where do we think the world would be today if the diehard believers had their way.
For instance the believers claimed the world is flat, all the evidence and research blah blah proves it.
Yet the unbelievers persevered and eventually were proved right, the world is round.
Philosophers and scientists, have questioned the "Status quo" on many issues and hence, man has made advances.
For every bit of "evidence", the believers provide, the unbelievers can counter.
Score at the end of the day Nil Nil.
It is wrong to make assumptions, I don't recall saying I was a sceptic, but what I did say is, I have not been convinced and have an open mind on the subject.
Whereas the Diehard believers do not have an open mind, as is evidenced by the commentary on this subject, such as you are all wrong lock the thread.
Fortunately, there are still those among us, who are capable of thinking for themselves and applying commonsense, logic etc.
"The truth is out there" O0 O0 O0 {-) {-) {-)
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Post by: justboatonic on September 12, 2011, 11:53:26 am
Here is a thought, where do we think the world would be today if the diehard believers had their way.
For instance the believers claimed the world is flat, all the evidence and research blah blah proves it.
Yet the unbelievers persevered and eventually were proved right, the world is round.
Philosophers and scientists, have questioned the "Status quo" on many issues and hence, man has made advances.
For every bit of "evidence", the believers provide, the unbelievers can counter.
Score at the end of the day Nil Nil.
It is wrong to make assumptions, I don't recall saying I was a sceptic, but what I did say is, I have not been convinced and have an open mind on the subject.
Whereas the Diehard believers do not have an open mind, as is evidenced by the commentary on this subject, such as you are all wrong lock the thread.
Fortunately, there are still those among us, who are capable of thinking for themselves and applying commonsense, logic etc.
"The truth is out there" O0 O0 O0 {-) {-) {-)
Yes, well what proof do you have that the world isnt flat? And if you havent got any proof you want to share with us, on what would you base the premise the world isnt flat?
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Post by: tony52 on September 12, 2011, 02:23:43 pm
I do seem to get drawn into these discussions, don't I?
One of the key recent findings from Spirit is the prevalence of sub-surface water on Mars. http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-10/29/stuck-rover-finds-water
And there are continuous tantalising hints of recently flowing water. Certainly within the past million or so years - possibly still today. Here are some old comments: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10740-water-flows-on-mars-before-our-very-eyes.html and http://www.space.com/2340-gullies-mark-water-flow-mars.html , while here are some more recent ones: http://www.tgdaily.com/space-features/51482-water-abundant-in-mars-recent-past and http://freethoughtblogs.com/zingularity/2011/08/05/mars-reconnaissance-finds-evidecne-of-recent-water/ .
It looks as if the planet is still quite geologically active, and there is quite a lot going on just under the soil.
dg makes some excellent points here re:Mars - for anyone who is interested in this planet, last weeks The Sky at Night features this planet and is well worth watching on iplayer.
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Post by: unbuiltnautilus on September 12, 2011, 03:40:23 pm
What happened to sea monsters, ectoplasm, fairies, flying saucers in the shape of hub caps, not forgetting the fad for triangular 'military' UFOs of the 1980s, oh, and wizards... A product of their time, nobody believes in Ectoplasm and fairies, simple photographic forgery of the age, hub caps on bits of string, looked like the movies of the time, must be true. However, I hate being a debunker, its easy but its nice to have a little bit of mystery in the world, and you never know, maybe it was the RMS Olympic not Titanic, and there might just be sea monsters lurking in our deep oceans...long may it continue.
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Post by: RaaArtyGunner on September 12, 2011, 09:45:21 pm
Yes, well what proof do you have that the world isnt flat? And if you havent got any proof you want to share with us, on what would you base the premise the world isnt flat?
Is one of us is standing on their head {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
Or have we been brainwashed O0 O0 {-) {-) because the blood would have drained from one of our brains O0 O0 O0
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Post by: justboatonic on September 12, 2011, 10:03:02 pm
Is one of us is standing on their head {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
Or have we been brainwashed O0 O0 {-) {-) because the blood would have drained from one of our brains O0 O0 O0
I dont know, I cant see you and I've never travelled to your part of the world. And even if you showed me tv pictures that you are not standing on your head, how do I know its not a trick?
Just asking like.
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Post by: mikearace on September 12, 2011, 10:07:28 pm
Doesnt seem that long ago in parliamentary debates, and elsewhere, that anyone who said they didnt believe Saddam Hussain had any WMDs was ridiculed to the point of derision as being ignorant of cast iron factual evidence that couldnt be denied. It was undeniable that they did exist we were told as the facts spoke for themselves and any accusations that the then government were making it up were shameful as they would never make up such lies to fool joe public would they?
Not quite the same as the Moon Landings or 9/11 I know but still a very real example of how not everything is at appears that we are told it is.
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Post by: Colin Bishop on September 12, 2011, 10:14:01 pm
MPs will believe anything.
Nobody in their right minds ever believed that Saddam Hussein's WMD could threaten the UK within 40 minutes.
Unfortunately a lot of people weren't in their right minds - and probably still aren't.
And it is on that basis of ignorance that political decisions are made.
Colin
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Post by: justboatonic on September 12, 2011, 10:34:56 pm
Doesnt seem that long ago in parliamentary debates, and elsewhere, that anyone who said they didnt believe Saddam Hussain had any WMDs was ridiculed to the point of derision as being ignorant of cast iron factual evidence that couldnt be denied. It was undeniable that they did exist we were told as the facts spoke for themselves and any accusations that the then government were making it up were shameful as they would never make up such lies to fool joe public would they?
Not quite the same as the Moon Landings or 9/11 I know but still a very real example of how not everything is at appears that we are told it is.
Those examples are nothing like the moon landings.
Its a shame more people didnt see the programme on Discovery(?) today which examined all the fake moon landing claims. The people stated why they were faked then their claims were factually disproved. Every one of them.
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Post by: ZZ56 on September 13, 2011, 03:58:39 pm
Doesnt seem that long ago in parliamentary debates, and elsewhere, that anyone who said they didnt believe Saddam Hussain had any WMDs was ridiculed to the point of derision as being ignorant of cast iron factual evidence that couldnt be denied. It was undeniable that they did exist we were told as the facts spoke for themselves and any accusations that the then government were making it up were shameful as they would never make up such lies to fool joe public would they?
Not quite the same as the Moon Landings or 9/11 I know but still a very real example of how not everything is at appears that we are told it is.
WMD is such a dumb term. The proper acronym is NBC - Nuclear, Biological and Chemical agents, and yes Saddam did have a fair stock of the latter. Whether they could cause 'mass' destruction is doubtful as they were in the form of conventional artillery shells.
None of these tinpot dictatorships have the DELIVERY VEHICLE to turn their NBC agents into weapons of mass destruction- a key factor that always gets ignored in these debates.
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Post by: unbuiltnautilus on September 13, 2011, 04:12:40 pm
WMD is such a dumb term. The proper acronym is NBC - Nuclear, Biological and Chemical agents, and yes Saddam did have a fair stock of the latter. Whether they could cause 'mass' destruction is doubtful as they were in the form of conventional artillery shells.
None of these tinpot dictatorships have the DELIVERY VEHICLE to turn their NBC agents into weapons of mass destruction- a key factor that always gets ignored in these debates.
Tony Blair said "45 minutes..." He didn't specify battlefield use though, all the national papers promptly leapt on this, claiming we were 45 minutes from the apocalypse.
Spin Spin Spin..........conspiracy? surely not.
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Post by: Dekan on September 13, 2011, 05:45:40 pm
Tony "Blur" misinterpreted well I never... who would have thunk it.. %)
Never mind we have DC now...to look after the interests of the Banks and the "Super Rich... Me..I'm still waiting for some of "their prosperity" to trickle down.. {:-{
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Post by: RaaArtyGunner on September 14, 2011, 01:46:35 am
Didn't they conspire, including Australia, to get rid of Saddam. O0 O0 If so, that makes it a conspiracy. :-)) :-))
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Post by: mermod on May 06, 2012, 09:09:16 am
Just wondering if there are any conspiracy theorists on mayhem ( no im not from the CIA )
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on May 06, 2012, 10:01:20 am
What about ASIO????????????? ok2 ok2 ok2
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Post by: TheLongBuild on May 06, 2012, 10:01:40 am
You must be new to the forum... :} :}
Where do we start
Current Threads
It was the Olympic which sank not the Titanic..
We never landed on the Moon.. :-))
One that I have not seen on here but the fact we may have already been to Mars a few times.. %) 8) 8)
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Post by: mermod on May 06, 2012, 10:08:07 am
all excellent theories, saw one today about the moon called Moon Rising, all about suppressed info from the moon landings and what they really found, its on you tube and very interesting.
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Post by: essex2visuvesi on May 06, 2012, 10:25:46 am
"Elvis isn't dead.... he just went home!"
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Post by: bikerdude999 on May 06, 2012, 10:35:32 am
None of us really exist! The Matrix is actually a documentary released to us by the robots to see if any of us suspected anything....
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Post by: Neil on May 06, 2012, 10:43:22 am
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Post by: mermod on May 06, 2012, 12:01:24 pm
glad you chose that photo, my wife spotted the problem straight away, every sane person knows that wallace and gromit went to the moon not shaun, but really, notice the black reference crosses, the camera used shot through a grid of those crosses, in the blackness they would show up in the negative yet in the negative of that photo and hundreds of others the background seems to have been airbrushed out, interesting huh
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Post by: meechingman on May 06, 2012, 12:10:57 pm
If the camera shot through a grid of those crosses, and was focussed on the astronaut, wouldn't those crosses then be way out of focus? So I surmise that the crosses were added at the printing stage, when they and the original image would both be sharp.
ASIO.......
My God, I've been using that on my computer's audio apps for donkey's years, you've got me worried now!
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on May 06, 2012, 12:16:05 pm
You do know, they are watching you, don't you 8) 8) 8) :police: :police: :police:
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Post by: essex2visuvesi on May 06, 2012, 12:19:06 pm
Mythbusters covered the moon landings in great detail http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mythbusters+moon+landing&oq=mythbusters+moon&aq=0&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_l=youtube.1.0.0l10.8901.17996.0.21548.16.9.0.7.7.0.117.854.7j2.9.0...0.0.
Makes interesting viewing
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Post by: Artistmike on May 06, 2012, 01:41:23 pm
Actually, as a qualified photogrammetrist who used to use reseau plates all the time, which is where these small crosses are engraved on glass, I would point out that the reseau plate is in fact at the focal plane of the camera, it's not added later or in front of the lens at all.... The grid is there to enable photogrammetrists to very accurately measure points on the resultant image to adjust any error from camera aberrations or film distortion.
Often various anomalies happen to the cross hairs or fiducials, as they are known, due to light scattering or light saturation. I've seen thousands of air survey photos and there were plenty where problems with one or more cross hairs has arisen. If they were all perfect on the moon landing shots, then I'd suspect something but they are just like many thousands of others I saw in my career.
It's easy to try to create a conspiracy theory if you don't know any of the facts of the matter, ......... ;)
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Post by: sjoormen on May 06, 2012, 02:09:41 pm
For those who are scared of their phones getting to wrong hands : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kp929FRm5o&feature=player_embedded
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Post by: HawkEye on May 06, 2012, 04:39:56 pm
all excellent theories, saw one today about the moon called Moon Rising, all about suppressed info from the moon landings and what they really found, its on you tube and very interesting.
Try the Orion conspiracy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOoR5D73Huo - that's intriguing , as for Mythbusters - well an entertainment show enough said, the moon / mars landings ?, if you were there at the time they landed then you could say yes / no , anything else is surely hearsay .Perhaps it was all a public "front" to weaponize space by the yanks / Russians / Chinese - (add country of interest here) .
This will be jumped on shortly by all the pro Apollo crew, probably without reading the post first :}
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Post by: Artistmike on May 06, 2012, 04:44:39 pm
Try the Orion conspiracy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOoR5D73Huo - that's intriguing , as for Mythbusters - well an entertainment show enough said, the moon / mars landings ?, if you were there at the time they landed then you could say yes / no , anything else is surely hearsay .Perhaps it was all a public "front" to weaponize space by the yanks / Russians / Chinese - (add country of interest here) .
This will be jumped on shortly by all the pro Apollo crew, probably without reading the post first :}
I'm sure that means something, I'm just not quite sure what...... :} :} :}
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 06, 2012, 05:56:26 pm
Topics combined. O0
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on May 06, 2012, 09:03:31 pm
The way the real astronaut lands, he has much less momentum... and don't forget the low G flight ok2
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on May 07, 2012, 12:12:37 am
Am waiting to hear about the climate %) %)
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Post by: raflaunches on May 07, 2012, 12:25:48 am
Whilst I would not trust any government as far as I could throw a stone I do believe that the human race has landed on the moon. The simple fact that radar from any nation on Earth could have traced the Apollo craft to the moon, if they had faked it the Russians or Chinese would have announced it and I m sure that our (British) radar could have known if they had faked it. Has anyone watched Apollo 18 because I think that would be reason enough not to go there! LOL
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Post by: tassie48 on May 07, 2012, 12:36:39 am
if they did land on the moon how come no one has spotted or seen the landing site surely some one would have photographed it by now
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on May 07, 2012, 12:39:09 am
Raflaunches,
And therein is the background for the conspiracy.
The kettle doesn't want to call the pot/kettle black and vice versa.
Knowing it can't happen, you can then crow if I didn't do it, (land on the moon), prove me wrong O0 O0 8) 8)
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Post by: Artistmike on May 07, 2012, 06:40:23 am
if they did land on the moon how come no one has spotted or seen the landing site surely some one would have photographed it by now
Well yes, there have been numerous photos taken of the landing site actually..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14813043 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14813043) .... %)
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Post by: raflaunches on May 07, 2012, 08:40:06 am
Hi raaartygunner
Agree with what you say but the conspiracy would have to be that huge that the truth would come out quicker than it has, you can't keep that many people who were involved quiet for long. Going back to the radar etc, knowing what the Russians (or Soviets as they were called) are like especially against the Americans, they would have had a field day if the Apollo crews had not landed on the moon and they could have proved it with the radar plot. So unless the Russians were in on it too (can't see why they would lie about it and support a country they despised at the time) I would like to believe that we landed on the moon. As I mentioned with Apollo 18 I think the real question is why we have not been back to the moon for 30years, don't tell me money was the key factor in it becasue the shuttle program proved that NASA at the time had plenty.
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Post by: malcolmfrary on May 07, 2012, 09:10:54 am
Quote
don't tell me money was the key factor in it becasue the shuttle program proved that NASA at the time had plenty.
OK,I wont tell you, but it was. The Shuttle program is where the money and effort went.
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Post by: bbdave on May 07, 2012, 11:11:32 am
I'm not sure Mythbusters is a scientific resource i mean they did say putting a hole in the side of an airliner at 30000' can't produce devastating decompression all the air accidents involving this must have got it wrong.
Also isn't it weird all the digital cameras that now exist in the world most people have one it there pocket, no one has a digital image showing bigfoot or the beast of bodmin.
Dave
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on May 07, 2012, 11:33:56 am
Nevertheless it still beggars the question why they didn't budget/plan to go back at some time.
After all if it's about who dominates the space, then being "on the moon" would be a plus.
The end of Apollo boils down to a number of issues:
Kennedy's promise had been met.
The public had had enough. US public interest was plummetting in every flight after Apollo 11.
As the Vietnam War was winding down from '72 onwards, the Apollo "distraction" wasn't seen as politically so necessary.
It was extremely risky: Apollo 13 had nearly ended in disaster. Further flights would, inevitably, have led to the deaths of US astronauts.
The technology was absurdly primitive. The 70lb guidance computer was a 2MHz, 16-bit, 2k RAM with 36k of (hand-woven!) ROM. Consider the sort of computers you could have used even teny years later.
The Russian's ability to ever go to the Moon started to slip after the death of Korolev in '66, and came to a complete halt after the four failed launches of their N1 rocket in '69-'72.
The emphasis following Apollo - "dominating space", as you suggest - moved to less risky Earth observation (= spying) and manned space stations in Low Earth Orbit: something the Russians were extremely good at.
The Shuttle was developed with one of its abilities being able to return satellites from orbit ("whose?", I'm tempted to ask...) and was initially driven by Department of Defence requirements which made it the dangerous and expensive white elephant it was throughout its career. Once stuck in the Shuttle-rut, NASA had to focus on keeping this craft going, at the expense of any manned operations outside LEO, because there was no political will to do otherwise.
And that's why we're stuck here today.
Andy
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on May 07, 2012, 01:49:13 pm
Dreadnought,
Very interesting, So at the end of the day who, if anyone, "dominates space"?
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Post by: HawkEye on May 07, 2012, 02:35:48 pm
This is one of those things that will go on and on, I personally do not subscribe the moon landing being a hoax or it being real, but with that said, the proponents of the hoax theory bring up very interesting, and very VALID points. Some of these questions have NEVER been adequately explained to any conclusive degree.
This young chap calls himself Jarrah White ( MoonFaker ). He's the best debater on this subject I've seen so far. His arguments and reasoning are thorough. Everything he says is sourced and documented. He has documents on everything, even from the 60's. He performs scientific experiments, when he can, to back up and illustrate his argument.Therefore, he doesn't just make arguments, he SHOWS you the scientific facts and results through experiments right in front of you, either by him, or by others.
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Post by: malcolmfrary on May 07, 2012, 03:36:37 pm
There have been more recent Lunar missions by countries other than the US which have photographed the bits and pieces left on the Lunar surface from low orbit using better equipment than was available back in the late '60s / early '70s. I fully expect that the paranoid malcontent self publicizing conspiracy theorists will very shortly be claiming that the governments of India, China and Japan are in on the deal as well. After all, they (the theorists) do have DVDs to sell. Personally, I find it easier to believe that it was easier to go to the moon than for any government to keep a secret that size.
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Post by: dreadnought72 on May 07, 2012, 04:25:16 pm
Very interesting, So at the end of the day who, if anyone, "dominates space"?
JPL (http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/index.cfm)!
The robotic successes of the last forty+ years largely stem from them - and the science results have been huge.
Here's humans messing about in LEO, in an environment out to kill us, while - for example - Voyager is still returning useful data, 34 years after launch, and from 120 AU away. (That's over eleven thousand million miles, in old units).
Andy
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Post by: dreadnought72 on May 07, 2012, 04:37:10 pm
...the proponents of the hoax theory bring up very interesting, and very VALID points. Some of these questions have NEVER been adequately explained to any conclusive degree.
And the fella you mention has some qualification in film-making, and is requesting Paypal donations to his cause.
Sorry - not good enough. And it does not begin to answer the evidence for landing (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=18705.msg320976#msg320976) that I placed in this thread ten months ago.
Andy
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Post by: TheLongBuild on May 07, 2012, 06:40:52 pm
Devils Advocate here.. :police:
What if NASA finally owned up and and said "Well actually Yes " We faked it" and the Russians, Chinese and the UK all knew about it..
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Post by: HawkEye on May 07, 2012, 07:13:08 pm
And the fella you mention has some qualification in film-making, and is requesting Paypal donations to his cause.
Andy
I think some qualifications in film making would be quite useful if you're producing video's for youtube, as for the Paypal donations, it is just that, a donation if a person feels that he/she wants to donate ? ( they would be far better off donating to this forum ). :-))
It amazes me that the discussion of this topic is still so widespread throughout the net and there are many amusing and heated arguments going on daily. Just put "moon landing hoax" ( with quotes ) into Google and select within the past 24 hours / week / month etc. for an enlightening insight .I await the first moon lift to be built so I can check for myself. :-)
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Post by: malcolmfrary on May 07, 2012, 07:54:04 pm
What if NASA finally owned up and and said "Well actually Yes " We faked it" and the Russians, Chinese and the UK all knew about it..
Would the US government actually intentionally let another government in on a secret? That is hard to believe. :o If the UK government said it had been let in on a secret, who would believe that? ;D If the UK government had been let in on the secret, how long would it have been before an entrepreneurial senior civil servant leaked it to the tabloids? Or the French papers? Realistically.
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Post by: sjoormen on May 07, 2012, 08:17:51 pm
Wouldn't be USSR only too happy and would want everybody to know if USA would failed with mission on the moon? And if someone beside USA would have information would be USSR.
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Post by: Shannon S. on May 07, 2012, 10:44:38 pm
If NASA had faked the moon landings all those years ago, wouldn't they be worried that someday in the future technology might prove them wrong. Also you might be able to keep one or two or fifty or maybe one hundred people quiet, but I doubt you keep thousand held to a secret. One last thought. With all of the conspiracies theories out there, I don't know of one that has ever been proven.
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Post by: HawkEye on May 07, 2012, 10:51:08 pm
July 21, 2009 :o
Just out of interest is this the longest running thread on the forum ??
HawkEye
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Post by: TheLongBuild on May 07, 2012, 10:54:27 pm
If NASA had faked the moon landings all those years ago, wouldn't they be worried that someday in the future technology might prove them wrong. Also you might be able to keep one or two or fifty or maybe one hundred people quiet, but I doubt you keep thousand held to a secret.
Probably not.. But then they have managed to keep thousands quite about switching the Olympic to become the Titanic for the insurance scam :}
With all of the conspiracies theories out there, I don't know of one that has ever been proven.
The Conspiracsists could argue that to them the theories about there actually being moon landings have never been proved either.. 8) 8)
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Post by: justboatonic on May 09, 2012, 10:16:32 pm
Best response to those 'fake' moon landings conspirtors?
70 year old Buzz Aldrin laying out that 40 year old bloke with one punch after he approached Aldrin and said 'Come on, admit it to the world, you never landed on the Moon!'
Convinces me every time I see it!
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Post by: F4TCT on May 09, 2012, 10:33:23 pm
Now i never used to believe they did land, however now i do.
Ive watched the tv programs both confirming and denying the facts.
Mainly i wondered how without the complex computers and such could it be achieved and after speaking to a maths teacher, he said calculation of orbital things and such is actually quite easy.
Few things make me a bit dubious still in the respect of the pictures where the images are on top of the crosses when it should be there other way round. The shadows have been confirmed as correct, and the flag is correct as per mythbusters. Maybe they actually did land but had to jazz the photos up slightly?!?!
The question we should be asking is "did the soviets go to the moon". I mean after all, they built the lander but did they ever use one! They aint stupid people and it was within their limits to achieve in my opinion. They did send a few rovers to the moon under the Lunokhod program and a few probes under the luna program.
Anyone seen this pic -
Its astronaut Pete Conrad from Apollo 12 who visited the Surveyor 3 probe...
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Post by: justboatonic on May 09, 2012, 11:03:51 pm
Now i never used to believe they did land, however now i do.
Ive watched the tv programs both confirming and denying the facts.
Mainly i wondered how without the complex computers and such could it be achieved and after speaking to a maths teacher, he said calculation of orbital things and such is actually quite easy.
Few things make me a bit dubious still in the respect of the pictures where the images are on top of the crosses when it should be there other way round. The shadows have been confirmed as correct, and the flag is correct as per mythbusters. Maybe they actually did land but had to jazz the photos up slightly?!?!
The question we should be asking is "did the soviets go to the moon". I mean after all, they built the lander but did they ever use one! They aint stupid people and it was within their limits to achieve in my opinion. They did send a few rovers to the moon under the Lunokhod program and a few probes under the luna program.
Anyone seen this pic -
Its astronaut Pete Conrad from Apollo 12 who visited the Surveyor 3 probe...
Never ceases to amaze me people use this 'complex computers' as an indication the landings were fake.
Why!? IBM had computers more than capable. They were just huge and housed in large computer rooms. The space craft relied on these for most information and calculations and only needed small on board memory for limited functionality which it prioritised and discarded if not needed.
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Post by: sjoormen on June 05, 2012, 07:06:11 pm
UFO anyone? I never cared much for stories about UFO, yet I watched few documentaries about them, most were rubbish, this one at least produces some documents about them. Anyway not the worst I've seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYPCKIL7oVw&feature=related
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Post by: TailUK on June 05, 2012, 07:40:59 pm
I always get a laugh out of this thread.
Olympic/Tiitanic It wasn't the Titanic that sank but a virtually identical ship with the same name! :o Think about that one for a while.
Moon Landings I think F4TCT is closest, They went but, for some reason, the pictures didn't come out ( PhotoKwik lost them or someone forgot to load the cameras) So NASA used a set created for just this eventuality.
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on June 05, 2012, 08:03:47 pm
Or we just don't know about the failed missions....
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Post by: Colin Bishop on June 05, 2012, 09:07:26 pm
I'm told that some people genuinely believe that the Queen had a Diamond Jubilee this weekend but of course most of us know it was all faked.....
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Post by: Bob K on June 05, 2012, 09:47:45 pm
Tut tut Colin ! (Tee hee ) {-) {-) O0
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on June 05, 2012, 10:52:34 pm
It's true because there was nothing happening here (Australia) and we would have known.
We know it was all pre-recorded in front of a live audience O0 O0 O0
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Post by: NickelBelter on June 06, 2012, 12:52:26 am
UFO anyone? I never cared much for stories about UFO, yet I watched few documentaries about them, most were rubbish, this one at least produces some documents about them. Anyway not the worst I've seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYPCKIL7oVw&feature=related
There's a massive coverup involving UFOs going on all around the world.
The truth is that the 'phenomenon' never amounted to a hill of beans, but it's making a lot of people very rich publishing books, running TV spots and hosting conventions for true believers, so it will continue to go on. The 'cases' are so bloated by deliberate misinformation that they are impossible to sort out. People still endorse the Gulf Breeze incident as 'genuine', for example!
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Post by: cabman on June 06, 2012, 01:16:47 am
I can settle these arguments once and for all. They DID land on the moon because I was there and I saw them. Elvis IS alive. He works in a chip shop near us - and swears it's him. QED
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Post by: Norseman on June 15, 2012, 01:19:06 pm
Of course they landed on the moon in 69 Cabman -but why all the fuss?
The Sunday Sport (with pictures) - reported that in WW2 a Lancaster bomber landed on the moon :o Y'know the pilots never even got a mention - it's all Buzz did this and Neil said that, most unfair.
Dave
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on October 23, 2013, 12:57:38 pm
Been off sick this week, daytime TV is truly awful so been surfing a lot of Utube.
I found this series Very interesting.... and honest! ( reliving my childhood I guess.... fantastic! )
Moon Machines: Apollo Guidance Computer http://youtu.be/Y7sMe52fEAc http://youtu.be/vU5G9VsoER8
Of course they landed on the moon in 69 Cabman -but why all the fuss?
The Sunday Sport (with pictures) - reported that in WW2 a Lancaster bomber landed on the moon :o Y'know the pilots never even got a mention - it's all Buzz did this and Neil said that, most unfair.
Dave
I can speak categorically that they did..........a mate of Buz Aldrin's specially brought me back a big lump of Green Cheese that I had asked for...........it was delicious too.!!!
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Post by: raflaunches on October 23, 2013, 01:53:35 pm
If you really want to watch some truly awful rubbish about why we have never been back to the moon I suggest watching the film "Apollo 18". Whilst it has its moments its a conspiracy nut's dream suggesting that little alien rock monsters live up there and don't like humans very much!!! {-)
The other truly terrible but worth a laugh (just to recognise who some of the characters represent) is Iron Skies which is about the Nazis living in a moon base escaping from Germany after WW2!!! Even my Dad and Mum thought it was hilarious.
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on October 23, 2013, 02:11:26 pm
The other truly terrible but worth a laugh (just to recognise who some of the characters represent) is Iron Skies which is about the Nazis living in a moon base escaping from Germany after WW2!!! Even my Dad and Mum thought it was hilarious.
Yes, most amusing!
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Post by: craggle on October 23, 2013, 02:21:27 pm
First time I've seen this thread.
Iron Sky is a fantastic film. Fairly low budget but a great production and pretty funny.
I work in the space industry and am currently working on one of the next Mars Rovers, the European Space Agencies ExoMars Rover. I have encountered people through my work that firmly believe the moon landings were faked and no matter how much evidence you provide them with they still refuse to believe you.
I haven't read all the posts here but we did go to the moon, too many people were watching the Americans during the mission and any hint of doubt would have widely publicised by the Russians. The landing sites have all been photographed from orbit on later missions and there is equipment left on the surface that is still in use today.
One more thing, if they were going to fake it, they could have done it but why fake it 6 times?
Craig.
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 24, 2013, 09:13:59 pm
Ponder this,
How many people are actively watching a magician to see how the trick is done but still do not see how it is done.
"Ladies and gentlemen I present the most famous illusion ever, the"
"Moon Landing"
:o :o :o O0 O0 O0 %) %) %)
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Post by: TheLongBuild on October 24, 2013, 09:37:25 pm
I haven't read all the posts here but we did go to the moon, too many people were watching the Americans during the mission and any hint of doubt would have widely publicised by the Russians. The landing sites have all been photographed from orbit on later missions and there is equipment left on the surface that is still in use today.
One more thing, if they were going to fake it, they could have done it but why fake it 6 times?
Craig.
Photo's Yes But Taken by whom ?,, Not the Yanks or Russians by any Chance.. Would the Russians have publicised it ?. probably had to much to lose themselves if they had.. We are told that there is equipment on the surface, Have you seen it personally ?. :}
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Post by: dreadnought72 on October 24, 2013, 09:43:41 pm
I haven't been to Cape Canaveral, but I'm reliably informed it exists.
Andy
Bit of a difference from Millions of people who have been to CC and taken photos by many different nationalities, ages etc compared to those few pictures allegedly taken of the landings. To deny CC is ridiculous , to believe in the moon landings is madness. Sides, the Supreme Headquarters, Alien Defence Organisation has not been set up yet.. Or has it... 8)
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Post by: Richtea on October 24, 2013, 10:58:51 pm
Does anyone really believe that in the middle of the "space race" and at the height of the Cold War the Soviets would willingly collude with their ideological opponents ?
Not to mention the fact that all the lunar landings were triangulated from Jodrell Bank Observatory and its Australian counterpart, The Parkes Observatory to monitor the orbiting spacecraft in their Lunar orbits.
The Soviets would have loved to discredit the USA had there been any doubt. Coupled with the Tet Offensive in Vietnam, any doubt over the landings would have been broadcast on every TV station that Moscow could muster.
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Post by: Bob K on October 24, 2013, 11:28:01 pm
Since I retired recently I have found out how few watchable TV programmes are on during the day, and become disillusioned by the so-called factual documentary channels.
I no longer believe Penguins are real.
A huge number of these factual documentaries are about UFO cover-ups, Loch Ness, how the Great Pyramid is really an alien space ship. The proofs are amazing in their naivety, using similar programmes as ‘evidence’.
If they were on the entertainment or comedy channels I would have no problem, but on Discovery and National Geographic I have to conclude that even the creatures presented by Attenborough are merely spoofs generated in CGI by Industrial Light & Magic.
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 24, 2013, 11:34:18 pm
To add to the conspiracy, :o :o :o
"The Parkes Observatory to monitor the orbiting spacecraft in their Lunar orbits."
Parkes burnt down not so long back, supposedly by a bushfire but in treality, a cover up (CIA etc) 8) 8) so the landings could not be refuted. O0 O0 O0
All evidence burnt to a cinder. ok2 ok2 ok2 ok2
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Post by: Richtea on October 25, 2013, 12:35:27 am
"The Parkes Observatory to monitor the orbiting spacecraft in their Lunar orbits."
Parkes burnt down not so long back, supposedly by a bushfire but in treality, a cover up (CIA etc) 8) 8) so the landings could not be refuted. O0 O0 O0
All evidence burnt to a cinder. ok2 ok2 ok2 ok2
I bet it was either Elvis or the missing sniper from the grassy knoll that started the fire. %%
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Post by: derekwarner on October 25, 2013, 12:56:20 am
:embarrassed: & our Bob K says ...."I no longer believe Penguins are real"......Bob....them's fighting words.....just ask your colleague Nick B....you know our RAF member who recently spend time way down south with the penguins %) ..... Derek
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on October 25, 2013, 01:25:27 am
......... maybe I should have started a different topic! {-)
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 25, 2013, 01:41:38 am
......... maybe I should have started a different topic! {-)
Or not watch daytime TV %) %) {-) {-) {-)
Really we are only trying to cheer you up O0 O0 :-)) :-))
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Post by: kinmel on October 25, 2013, 07:12:56 am
As Buzz once explained to me - Apollo 8 flew towards to where the moon is supposed to be and found nothing but just a reflection of the earth.
Hence the faked landings on the fake moon.
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Post by: grendel on October 25, 2013, 08:34:11 am
If I remember right I have seen somewhere that one of the Russian Lunokhod lunar rovers went to one of the American Apollo landing sites and photographed it (just to be sure?) they would have been the first to have jumped up shouting fake. Grendel
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Post by: raflaunches on October 25, 2013, 08:45:07 am
Since I retired recently I have found out how few watchable TV programmes are on during the day, and become disillusioned by the so-called factual documentary channels.
I no longer believe Penguins are real.
A huge number of these factual documentaries are about UFO cover-ups, Loch Ness, how the Great Pyramid is really an alien space ship. The proofs are amazing in their naivety, using similar programmes as ‘evidence’.
If they were on the entertainment or comedy channels I would have no problem, but on Discovery and National Geographic I have to conclude that even the creatures presented by Attenborough are merely spoofs generated in CGI by Industrial Light & Magic.
:embarrassed: & our Bob K says ...."I no longer believe Penguins are real"......Bob....them's fighting words.....just ask your colleague Nick B....you know our RAF member who recently spend time way down south with the penguins %) ..... Derek
After a one way conservation with someone who looks/doesn't look like a penguin I can issue the following statement:
During my recent deployment to the Falkland Islands I can neither confirm or deny that penguins exist. The strange black and white figures seen with me in some of the pictures are not penguins, they are men in tuxedos with women in brown fur coats. There have never been penguins on the islands, and they have never reached the moon either. I am sorry that I lied- penguins do not exist and never have, they are a popular christmas myth...
OK you can put the fish gun down... What do you mean I've seen too much... What are you doing with that eel?... :-))
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Post by: TheLongBuild on October 25, 2013, 09:08:35 am
This is just getting silly i know penguins do exist as i have seen happy feet and seen them do river dance
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Post by: Netleyned on October 25, 2013, 09:12:12 am
There's a whole shelf full of them in our ASDA %% %% %%
Ned
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Post by: TailUK on October 25, 2013, 09:13:27 am
Of course penguins exist! I had one in my lunch pack yesterday! A mint chocolate one!
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Post by: Bob K on October 25, 2013, 09:16:31 am
Tee hee Nick B. Sorry, I was thinking of you when I wrote that wind-up {-) %% {-) %%
What we believe seems more influenced by repeated media input than personal experience. I do believe in Majestic Class stern tubes and gunboat anchor systems though . . .
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Post by: dreadnought72 on October 25, 2013, 01:01:31 pm
:-))
Lovely multiscreen version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nrKHtXxYlkk) of the landings.
Andy
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Post by: warspite on October 25, 2013, 01:19:24 pm
To definetly confirm that there is equipment on the moon just Google moon on the internet and go to crater view O0 , one of them cars will have passed by it, you know - them with the cameras just in front of the passenger, I believe one of them went up with one of the missions later on.
and on majestics - that stern walks are protection for the rudder and prop - oops did I say that out aloud.
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Post by: chris gillespie on October 26, 2013, 11:40:15 am
* not neccessarily my beliefs *
The bible states no man apart from Lord Christ has left the earth or ever will.
feel free to discuss..rip apart...defend...
:P
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Post by: imsinking on October 26, 2013, 01:13:15 pm
To definetly confirm that there is equipment on the moon just Google moon on the internet and go to crater view O0 , one of them cars will have passed by it, you know - them with the cameras just in front of the passenger, I believe one of them went up with one of the missions later on.
and on majestics - that stern walks are protection for the rudder and prop - oops did I say that out aloud.
AHH the little LUNAR ROVER , there's three of em left on the Moon (9 million bucks apiece I believe) they had no end of trouble with Apollo 17's . . . . . (http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/7557/0z0j.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/0z0j.jpg/) Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)
Bill
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Post by: g4yvm on October 27, 2013, 10:27:34 pm
Ive only just read this daft thread, but please, dont anyone tell me the Clangers arent real!!!!
David
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Post by: grendel on October 28, 2013, 12:49:52 pm
they are real, I know they are my wife admits to accidentally pulling the head off the soup dragon when she was little. Grendel
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Post by: bill jardine on October 28, 2013, 01:33:22 pm
Of course the moon landings happened. You'd need to be pretty gullible to believe all these ridiculous conspiracy stories.
I've got a piece of moon rock on my mantelpiece which I bought for only £50 from an Albanian gentleman at a car boot sale.
It came with a certificate of authenticity signed by the famous astronaut Bizz Eldrin.
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Post by: Arrow5 on October 28, 2013, 02:12:46 pm
Well thats the last time I buy this guy a beer %)
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Post by: g4yvm on October 28, 2013, 02:33:28 pm
Bizz Elfrin?
He was married to Marion Munro the famous film actress who slept with Jacqueline kennedy the president of america who got shot. But she only got shot because she knew nevil Armstrong never went to the moon. Armstrong crashed his space ship into London Bridge where he was rescued by earl spencer. Spencer only told one person: his daughter Diana. Diana threatened to tell the world which is why she was murdered by our royalfamily. But now all the mayhem ers know so prepare ye for death
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Post by: bill jardine on October 28, 2013, 02:48:07 pm
Are you making this up?
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Post by: Norseman on October 28, 2013, 02:55:50 pm
Our capacity to believe whatever we choose is probably the key to to every leap forward we have ever made. Our endless questioning of the blatantly obvious is just the keyhole.
... but it all hardly matters as the sun and the moon will eventually be swallowed up by the wolfs Sköll and Hati O0 %)
Norseman :-))
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Post by: Arrow5 on October 28, 2013, 03:50:52 pm
No no no, it will first roll off the turtles back and be caught by Atlas and start all over again....it has been written O0
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Post by: Bob K on October 28, 2013, 04:00:51 pm
As it's been far too windy to sail model boats, I believe I will have another beer.
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 29, 2013, 02:07:30 am
China's Chang'e 3 probe soft landed on the Moon at 1:11 pm UTC on Saturday 14/12/13, the first time since 1976 allegedly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_cgi8U3Fsc#t=147
Won't be long then before they contest the ownership of the moon and extend their no fly zone around it too..
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Post by: GAZOU on December 14, 2013, 05:00:15 pm
why we believe certain things unproven
why we believe some unproven conspiracy
why we believe certain religions unproven
why we believe in religion without evidence
why we believe that money does not buy happiness
why?
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Post by: TheLongBuild on December 14, 2013, 05:01:22 pm
Because we can :-))
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Post by: Netleyned on December 14, 2013, 05:24:48 pm
Don't fancy the postage from the Hobby King moon warehouse :D :D :D Or the delivery time {-)
Ned
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Post by: warspite on December 14, 2013, 05:59:13 pm
I also see the iranians are claiming they succesfully sent and returned an ape into space, low orbit apparently, yea right, after the last one they 'made a mistake' in the photo's issued.
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Post by: Colin Bishop on December 14, 2013, 06:29:52 pm
Lots of apes in space. One went up, another came down, simple explanation.
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Post by: HawkEye on December 14, 2013, 06:52:56 pm
Wonder what they're looking for ?
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Post by: Norseman on December 14, 2013, 07:02:05 pm
Gazou, of one thing I am absolutely certain Money would not make me happy But I do admit it would make life so much easier to live.
The people around us are what is truly important ... Plus humour, even especially the dark humour that gets you through the bad events.
Dave
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Post by: grendel on December 14, 2013, 07:21:41 pm
Don't fancy the postage from the Hobby King moon warehouse :D :D :D Or the delivery time {-)
Ned
or the fact that when it arrives its made of cheese. Grendel
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Post by: Netleyned on December 14, 2013, 07:31:02 pm
If it was blue Wensleydale I would be a happy bunny
Ned
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Post by: Jerry C on December 14, 2013, 07:32:41 pm
I bet they're putting up a take away. Jerry.
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Post by: Netleyned on December 14, 2013, 07:36:12 pm
Be a bit cool by the time it was delivered
Ned
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on December 14, 2013, 08:26:31 pm
Due to reentry speed and temperatures would not that be grilled cheese %) %) %)
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Post by: derekwarner on December 14, 2013, 09:22:04 pm
:}...ever tried grilling that "plastic" cheese........you know that slimy yellow/orange spread in a jar :embarrassed: .........doesn't go golden then lightly browned.....
No >>:-( it stays that same slimy yellow/orange colour ....then POOF <*<...........its black & burnt {-) {-) ...... Derek
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on December 16, 2013, 04:54:20 am
:}...ever tried grilling that "plastic" cheese........you know that slimy yellow/orange spread in a jar :embarrassed: .........doesn't go golden then lightly browned.....
No >>:-( it stays that same slimy yellow/orange colour ....then POOF <*<...........its black & burnt {-) {-) ...... Derek
Derek There an awful lot about the world I don't understand even after 60 years but "Slimy yellow/orange spread in a jar" ain't cheese! I don't know what it is but it ain't cheese. If you have to resort to that let me know and I'll send you some proper cheese. It breaks my heart that you guys are reduced to that.
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Post by: derekwarner on October 25, 2017, 11:08:11 pm
Dear Tailuk
I watched a documentary some time ago and learnt to understand in years of old....and still in some cool French caves......real cheese is maturing....yes made from full cream milk with a little drop of juice from the lining of a young Vealers stomach [Rennit?].......this the curdles the milk and after turning once a week for 10 years......the beautiful Tasty Cheese is found
By courtesy of Mr Wikki...we see the following....and from this I think I understand why a product with > 20% milkfat must be questionable.....Potasium Phosphate, Tartrate, Carrageenan, Xanthan Gum & artificial colour No 21 looks & tastes like ...."plastic" cheese........you know that slimy yellow/orange spread in a jar :embarrassed: .....
So these ingredient's must be which constitutes the other 80%?...............Derek
PS.....the image below is not Photoshoped sewage {-)......but straight from the pages of W Liptauer Cheese Spread
Pasteurized process cheese spread is a pasteurized processed cheese product prepared using one or more cheeses, additional ingredients and sometimes food additives such as emulsifiers (e.g. potassium phosphate and tartrate) and food stabilizers to limit product separation (e.g. carrageenan and xanthan gum).[23][24] Cream, milkfat, sweeteners, water, salt, various seasonings and artificial color are sometimes used as ingredients.[23] In the United States, the amount of cheese products used in pasteurized process cheese spread must be at least 51 percent, must contain at least 20 percent milkfat, and the moisture content must be between 44 percent to 60 percent, not exceeding 60 percent.[23][24] Pasteurized process cheese spread is prepared by heating the ingredients and then pouring the mixture into various molds and containers to cool and become solid.[23][24] After cooling occurs, the product is then packaged
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Post by: tigertiger on October 26, 2017, 03:41:47 am
The modern ' cheeses' (pour and set) are what most of us have become used to. Once unwrapped they do not keep (mold free) as long as traditional cheeses. I did buy a traditional cheese (3kg wheel) and was surprised by the difference in taste and texture, with that of its prepacked cousins. It is more expensive but worth it. Something I was taught cooking. A lot of the mild cheddars are very fatty and lack flavour. If you use a strong cheddar, you only need to use half as much to get the taste. Better dishes and you save money.
NB This is not a conspiracy between Mayhem and the Ministry for Milk
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Post by: BrianB6 on October 26, 2017, 04:12:38 am
I remember traveling past a farm near Cheddar Gorge with 2 of my young children in the late 70's and stopping to buy some real Cheddar cheese for my father in London. Needless to say we found the aroma overwhelming and the taste incredible. :P :P :P I don't think it made it halfway to London. >>:-(
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Post by: BrianB6 on October 26, 2017, 04:15:12 am
Back to conspiracy theories If the world was flat, cats would have pushed everything off the edge by now. %%
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Post by: roycv on October 26, 2017, 11:20:50 am
Hi all, I have come to the conclusion after much research and a little plagiarism that all these conspiracy theories are themselves an even bigger conspiracy to hide political blunders, malfeasance and shallow thinking.
The childrens programme Trumpton was an early attempt at conditioning a generation into simple beliefs and easy acceptance of the new 'norm' (whoever he is, probably an Oz.). The sheer audacity of adopting and abreviating this name as an 'in your face' challenge to a whole nation is mind boggling ( I think you can get away with this word on countdown). I rest my case. Roy
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 27, 2017, 02:31:51 am
C'mon all you believers :o :o :o
Let us say it happened, if so why no more visits ??????????????????????????
They have returned to every where else??????
C'mon convince me it happened.
Reminds me of the blonde who was going to travel to the sun and when advised she would burn up, responded duh, I am going to go at night %% %% %% {-) {-) {-)
As for cheese, it aint real cheese any more. Back when I waz a nipper, cheese was left on the table and able to be eaten without being put in the fridge or going rotten. The stuff these days is ?????????????????????????????
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Post by: raflaunches on October 27, 2017, 07:35:34 am
Simply because it was one of the most expensive things the Americans have ever done. Second, if they hadn’t landed, the Soviets would have kicked up a stink as radar would clearly shown that they hadn’t landed.
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Post by: DavieTait on October 27, 2017, 11:19:24 am
The Jodrell Bank radio telescope was used to track the Apollo landings and the trace has been shown for Apollo 11 that clearly shows the descent , ascent over the boulder field , the horizontal flight and landing
Had the US "faked" the landings then Soviet Russia would've been all over it and all those new photos from satellites around the moon showing the landers and tracks made by the astronauts and the later moon buggies wouldn't exist
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Post by: mrlownotes on October 27, 2017, 12:28:17 pm
I still think it's made of cheese. :D :D :D :D :D
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Post by: TailUK on October 27, 2017, 01:10:05 pm
It is! The Americans discovered that Moon Cheese or Caseus Lunaris, to give it's scientific name, is completely unsuitable to be made into a paste or put in an Aerosol. It therefore has absolutely no commercial value in the USA and that's why NASA have never been back to the moon. The samples returned to earth by the Apollo Missions were, in fact, fragment of the cheese rind. As rind is unknown on American cheese it hasn't been recognised as such.
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Post by: Plastic - RIP on October 27, 2017, 01:11:48 pm
I was visiting a friend of mine yesterday - a software consultant - a bright bloke. He is totally 100% convinced about faked moon landings, JFK assassination and 9/11 being controlled demolition.
It's fascinating the way he looks through all the published information for tiny human errors, transcription errors and spelling mistakes as PROOF!
He's beginning to scare me!
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Post by: Colin Bishop on October 27, 2017, 01:51:53 pm
Many people believe what they want to believe and therefore use selective evidence to support their views. Just because there are flaws an omissions in the 'official' explanation doesn't consequently mean that their alternative views are correct.
Colin
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Post by: timgarrod on October 27, 2017, 02:29:50 pm
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Post by: grendel on October 27, 2017, 04:42:48 pm
as someone recently told me - if it was all true - do you really think Trump wouldnt have spilled the beans by now, I guess that means there are no Aliens too :-)
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Post by: TheLongBuild on October 27, 2017, 07:52:56 pm
as someone recently told me - if it was all true - do you really think Trump wouldnt have spilled the beans by now, I guess that means there are no Aliens too :-)
Actually No, when he became President and was told the truth about the cover up he would not say anything as he wants to make America Great again by telling everyone it was a hoax would not help.. sides just after he was told he was zapped by the memory wipe thing he would not have remembered anyway..
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Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on October 27, 2017, 11:18:49 pm
Two words Mr president....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F69dzy__Ao8
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Post by: tigertiger on October 28, 2017, 02:05:30 am
as someone recently told me - if it was all true - do you really think Trump wouldnt have spilled the beans by now, I guess that means there are no Aliens too :-)
Maybe it was the aliens, and not the Russians who interfered in the election process. %)
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Post by: tigertiger on October 28, 2017, 02:08:32 am
I was visiting a friend of mine yesterday ...he looks through all the published information for tiny human errors, transcription errors and spelling mistakes as PROOF!
At the same time ignoring all of the 'tiny human errors, transcription errors and spelling mistakes' in his new found proof; no doubt. %) Perhaps the symptom of an underutilized intelligent brain.
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Post by: tigertiger on October 28, 2017, 02:12:21 am
Simply because it was one of the most expensive things the Americans have ever done. Second, if they hadn’t landed, the Soviets would have kicked up a stink as radar would clearly shown that they hadn’t landed.
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Nah they signed a secret pact to never disclose such, as they both were involved and both wanted to share space stations, craft, etc which actually happened.
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 28, 2017, 04:00:18 am
The Jodrell Bank radio telescope was used to track the Apollo landings and the trace has been shown for Apollo 11 that clearly shows the descent , ascent over the boulder field , the horizontal flight and landing
Had the US "faked" the landings then Soviet Russia would've been all over it and all those new photos from satellites around the moon showing the landers and tracks made by the astronauts and the later moon buggies wouldn't exist
Nah the UK has space 'deals' with the US so is complicit in the scam.
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 28, 2017, 04:20:33 am
I was visiting a friend of mine yesterday - a software consultant - a bright bloke. He is totally 100% convinced about faked moon landings, JFK assassination and 9/11 being controlled demolition.
It's fascinating the way he looks through all the published information for tiny human errors, transcription errors and spelling mistakes as PROOF!
He's beginning to scare me!
No, some truth is emerging and we should not be naive enough to believe that the powers to be will not do what is considered best for the majority. There are none so blind as those that will not see. Look at all the examples of revelations from WWII and the 'lies' that were told to the public at the time for their good because they, the public, wouldn't have been able to handle the truth. Having some construction knowledge/experience I too, like the building engineer, was amazed that the towers collapsed exactly as a controlled demolition of multi storey construction. It is incredible that the plane explosion was "perfect" and it penetrated exactly to the right point to create a perfect demolition. There is a lot more and we know reporters don't report news anymore it is all about selling newspapers. Not to mention, fire stairs and fact that the design engineer is no longer alive. Could go on but people chose to believe what they want irrespective of 'evidence' even if it proves them wrong. Go on you tube and study controlled demolitions and then critically with an open mind review the collapse of the twin towers one collapse maybe but two??? and both identical.
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 28, 2017, 04:31:36 am
Many people believe what they want to believe and therefore use selective evidence to support their views. Just because there are flaws an omissions in the 'official' explanation doesn't consequently mean that their alternative views are correct.
Colin
Agreed, however, there are now many, many, examples of wrong, deliberate, misleading 'official' explanations which have been revealed to be 'false' in the fullness of time.
You have to consider if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, then it is a duck. AKA conspiracy.
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 28, 2017, 04:35:57 am
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Post by: raflaunches on October 28, 2017, 08:38:13 am
Raaarty
Problem with all your theories it relies on thousands if not millions of people keeping quiet and we know that would be impossible as so many would talk especially those in power to belittle their predecessors and political opponents. Too many nations are involved also and the Russians and the Americans were barely on talking terms for a lot of the time so the chances that they would suddenly agree to cover up something that would only benefit the Americans is very very doubtful.
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 29, 2017, 01:47:59 am
Problem with all your theories it relies on thousands if not millions of people keeping quiet and we know that would be impossible as so many would talk especially those in power to belittle their predecessors and political opponents. Too many nations are involved also and the Russians and the Americans were barely on talking terms for a lot of the time so the chances that they would suddenly agree to cover up something that would only benefit the Americans is very very doubtful.
Mate, how do you know that? from experience or what has been fed to us via the media. We need to think for ourselves not blindly accept and be led like cattle. Consider this, even today more revelations are being revealed about WWII and deals done between countries even Germany and Allies, being Russia, US, & Britain for political gain. Keeping your mouth shut, about say a moon landing hoax, benefits you, as you know it is impossible and you do not need to expend time, money, resources or peoples lives to duplicate or even better it. Think Sputnik and Russia and the so called satellite race. So it is in your interest to shut up about it. And yes, as said in the fullness of time the cover up, because that's what a conspiracy is, will eventually come to light as the "guardians" die off and access is obtained to classified records/data. But to say such cover ups cannot, did or will not happen is to deny the existing evidence. Even in your own Parliament. Weapons of mass destruction. Yes some are outlandish and can be easily dismissed others are far more plausible and bear further investigation. Don't forget the release of hacked security emails/information, by Snowden and others. Pie in the sky, no, shocking facts that make you think twice about what is happening. You can continue to debate the subject for and against, but at the end of the day you need an open mind and I am not convinced that they are all 'theories'.
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Post by: TheLongBuild on October 29, 2017, 10:34:33 am
Mate, how do you know that? from experience or what has been fed to us via the media. We need to think for ourselves not blindly accept and be led like cattle. Consider this, even today more revelations are being revealed about WWII and deals done between countries even Germany and Allies, being Russia, US, & Britain for political gain. Keeping your mouth shut, about say a moon landing hoax, benefits you, as you know it is impossible and you do not need to expend time, money, resources or peoples lives to duplicate or even better it. Think Sputnik and Russia and the so called satellite race. So it is in your interest to shut up about it. And yes, as said in the fullness of time the cover up, because that's what a conspiracy is, will eventually come to light as the "guardians" die off and access is obtained to classified records/data. But to say such cover ups cannot, did or will not happen is to deny the existing evidence. Even in your own Parliament. Weapons of mass destruction. Yes some are outlandish and can be easily dismissed others are far more plausible and bear further investigation. Don't forget the release of hacked security emails/information, by Snowden and others. Pie in the sky, no, shocking facts that make you think twice about what is happening. You can continue to debate the subject for and against, but at the end of the day you need an open mind and I am not convinced that they are all 'theories'.
Good post..
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Post by: raflaunches on October 29, 2017, 11:14:44 am
And the other side of the argument that how much evidence is put in front of a conspiracy theorist and will still not believe it! Like the theory that the satellite race never happened- even you can tune a radio and track Sputnik across the sky, even 50 years after the event. Even the Americans at the time would have shouted at the Russians if they hadn’t achieved it. Two countries on the verge of nuclear Armageddon do not agree to cover things up like that- why would they?- what benefits would it gain them to lie about it?- none! Enemies do not back each other up regardless- each side would shout at the other calling them out. Enough countries who weren’t involved directly with the projects can see that far with radar equipment and would have said otherwise. You can’t silence all the experts and there would be enough ‘leaked’ information by now to back up any theories. The people who say that moon photos are fakes have been debunked on every piece of conspiracy theory. Yes there are strangeness to someone who doesn’t understand how things work- the biggest being the light being wrong- hence the theory that it was staged in a studio. It was later debunked because in all the photos show the shadows being perfectly parallel across the moon surface, this cannot be faked with the technology of the time as you can’t get perfectly parallel shadows from man made lights- it can only come from a light source approximately 93 million mile away such as a stellar object like the sun. I agree there are things that can’t be explained or won’t be in the public interest to be revealed but to say that an engineering achievement hasn’t happened when there is so much proof to back it up from external sources and rivals is just clinging on to desperation to prove themselves to be correct even they haven’t worked in that industry. I was accused the other month that the RAF was involved in the disappearance of flight MH134 and it was hiding the missing airliner in the USA! Now come on! Even that is far fetched considering we don’t even have aircraft out in that location to do anything to make an airliner disappear. I have worked in the aerospace industry as part of the RAF and I’ve seen stuff that people wouldn’t believe but nothing worth covering up!
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Post by: Netleyned on October 29, 2017, 11:34:15 am
We've seen the recruiting ads. 'Join the RAF and repair/maintain equipment that hasn't been invented yet 8) 8) 8)
Ned.
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Post by: raflaunches on October 29, 2017, 11:43:16 am
Or in my experience keep the old stuff flying for as long as possible! %% {-)
There’s a saying in the RAF:
We are the unwilling led by the unqualified Doing the unnecessary for the ungrateful We’ve spent so long now doing so much with so little We can do anything with nothing! Living the dream! :D
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Post by: Bob K on October 29, 2017, 12:35:44 pm
I have been reading this thread for some time, not being able to figure out whether everyone is having a laugh at the conspiracy theorists, with some acting serious devils advocate but with tongue in cheek, or do a few actually believe these crack pots? The documentary channels are padded out with this stuff, mostly asserting "facts" almost laughable in their naivety. Many have made small fortunes from books on such subjects. Good luck to them. Flight 42 drags on and on, even after they found the wreckage miles off course. Triangle "experts" always omit to mention that.
Take Dan Brown's The Da Vinci Code. A cracking good read, and you get drawn along with the story. But evidence? Does not tally up, but congrats to Dan Brown - an excellent novel. Then there was Chariot of the Gods, not as well written. Then, the pyramids in Egypt must have been built by aliens as mere people could never accomplish anything like that.
It takes all sorts as they say. People are still desperately looking for the Loch Ness monster, Big Foot, the Yeti, all made more fun by the fact it is almost impossible to prove something does not exist.
You could almost believe that Mayhem is written entirely by our moderators, gleaning build photos from the web. You can believe anything you want. I believe I will have a beer.
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Post by: raflaunches on October 29, 2017, 12:58:02 pm
Too true Bob :-))
I agree that certain things are kept from the public for security reasons, etc, but to believe that engineering achievements were made up and falsified/faked is a joke, especially with so much supporting evidence that can be seen by the general public. Cover ups on this scale wouldn’t be secret for too long as there are too many people involved who aren’t covered by the Official Secrets Act or something similar( and whose to say that they wouldn’t risk saying something they shouldn’t). Most of the theorists haven’t even worked in the industry and probably don’t understand some of the explanations given, carrying on with their theory(s).
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Post by: Netleyned on October 29, 2017, 03:02:21 pm
Anything heavier than air is unable to fly? Prove it {-) {-)
Ned
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Post by: Plastic - RIP on October 29, 2017, 03:53:47 pm
Most of the theorists haven’t even worked in the industry and probably don’t understand some of the explanations given, carrying on with their theory(s).
Absolutely - most are non-technical shut-ins who cannot grasp the straight-forward engineering involved with moon landings so it must be a hoax - or alien technology. I used to work on cutting edge secret satelite tech - and everything was all just a logical next-step in electronics - no alien tech or 'little greys' helping me.
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Post by: Colin Bishop on October 29, 2017, 04:44:27 pm
As far as the collapse of the twin towers is concerned there was an excellent tv programme on a while back which explained how the combination of the construction of the buildings together with the temperature if the burning jet fuel would have brought about the collapse just as it happened. I found it pretty convincing. A lot more so than the idea of people going about their daily activities while bad guys were setting explosives and wiring detonators around them.
Colin
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Post by: Plastic - RIP on October 29, 2017, 06:37:20 pm
As far as the collapse of the twin towers is concerned there was an excellent tv programme on a while back which explained how the combination of the construction of the buildings together with the temperature if the burning jet fuel would have brought about the collapse just as it happened. I found it pretty convincing. A lot more so than the idea of people going about their daily activities while bad guys were setting explosives and wiring detonators around them.
Colin
And once one floor collapsed, it fell onto the floor below like a huge pile-driver leading to cascade failure. I read somewhere that each floor was about an acre in size - that's a lots steel & concrete acting as a huge hammer.
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Post by: RAAArtyGunner on October 30, 2017, 03:14:10 am
As far as the collapse of the twin towers is concerned there was an excellent TV programme on a while back which explained how the combination of the construction of the buildings together with the temperature if the burning jet fuel would have brought about the collapse just as it happened. I found it pretty convincing. A lot more so than the idea of people going about their daily activities while bad guys were setting explosives and wiring detonators around them.
Colin
Saw that program (as I have knowledge/interest of construction), and all the others including the US Army Corps of Engineers Investigation. All raised more questions than they answered if they indeed answered any that is. Concern was and still is, it would be simple to destroy a building once again by fire. Being local, you guys can check and compare the temperatures of the recent high rise fire, the one with the flammable facade, with the twin towers temperature that was necessary to completely melt steel.
Just one simple question, the steel frame, namely floor beams, walls, columns had to initially melt to allow a complete floor to collapse in its entirety and simultaneously to allow it to crash onto the floor below and produce a domino effect. Bit of a stretch.
Whereas when you view the controlled demolition of building by explosives that is exactly what happens, namely the floor drops as as a unit onto the one below and so on.
Our Raffy member can enlighten us on the burning characteristics of aviation fuel which I gather has a very rapid short period of combustion. Muck like cordite, quickly burns up, lots heat but short time period, hence not long enough to melt the steel frame/supports. Yes steel framed buildings bend and buckle in fires but they have never ever collapsed as in a controlled demolition and add to this not once but twice. C'mon what are the chances that the exact same identical circumstances were produced by two crashes into two separate buildings. Think about it, speed, amount of fuel, point of impact, depth of penetration into the building, burning time, heat produced, explosion, etc would all need to be identical to produce the same results, (which is what they do with each controlled demolition) in two separate building by inexperienced "pilots".
Also the size of the floors quoted above as one acre, is huge amount of steel and concrete to burn and melt.
There is no doubt they collapsed floor by floor but by fire??????. If there were explosives on board and they detonated, you would need a lot, then yes you could 'blow away' the columns and then the collapse, floor by floor could occur. That raises lots of nasty awkward questions for the authorities, such as how all those explosives got on board and if so then it can happen again? Not convinced by the 'official' explanation doesn't pass the pub test as we say.
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Post by: Plastic - RIP on October 30, 2017, 06:37:56 am
Steel melts at about 1300 degC - but is goes soft & bendy at about 700 degC - the hooks holding the beams to the outer wall became too soft to support the weight and bent until the floor collaped. No-one EVER said the steel melted - it's just another one of those 'facts' spread around by the conspiracy nuts.
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Post by: raflaunches on October 30, 2017, 08:32:11 am
Hi Raaarty
Just to confirm the characteristics of aviation fuel, or Avtur.
Most airline companies use commercial Avtur which has a flash point of about 38 deg C and combusts at 210 deg C, reaching a maximum burning temperature of 2230 deg C. However, with the addition of naphtha which improves cold handling characteristics especially at altitude it has a rather nasty side effect of reducing the flash point to -23 deg C! Avtur likes to be warm to be it’s most efficient when being used inside a gas turbine so all aircraft heat their fuel by allowing the hot air bypass which has the effect of cooling the engines too. Hydraulic systems also pass through heat exchangers which dumps the excess heat into the fuel which keeps the fuel at a useable, efficient temperature. So you have remember that when those airliners which crashed into the WTO towers were also carrying well over 100 tons of warm fuel with the engines running which would explode on impact. Any fuel not vaporised by the initial impact would pour very quickly from the ruptured fuel tanks adding to the inferno. Once it’s ignited it burns for a long time- we’re told if we don’t catch the initial ignition with our CO2 fire bottles is to run and wait for a fire engine. Other contributing features which people don’t know about aircraft is that they are made from pretty unusual materials which non-techie people would be shocked at by their characteristics. Duralumin, a variation of aluminium, burns furiously but is used because it’s lightweight and strong, the wheels are made from magnesium alloy which if you remember your chemistry lessons at school reacts violently in cold water. When aircraft crash there doesn’t tend to be much left due to fire. Modern aircraft are made from composite materials and are lot more fire resistant but the airliners used in 9/11 were made from conventional materials but to be brutally honest I think the result would still be the same.
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Post by: Plastic - RIP on October 30, 2017, 08:52:53 am
And all that burning aircraft was inside an office environment - many tons of paper, plastic, wood, chipboard, soft furnishings, carpet etc. that all burn very nastily - a one-acre bonfire on each floor with a good strong wind blowing through to feed the fire.
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Post by: raflaunches on October 30, 2017, 09:11:01 am
Too true.
Coming back from my fire training last week, we were told that a room quickly become inhabitable only after a few minutes and structurally collapses after approximately 30minutes. The towers were meant to be aircraft resistant (survive an impact) but they didn’t take into account the amount of jet fuel which was essentially dumped into the building and ignited. No building from that era could have survived that kind of inferno. There is no conspiracy cover up on how the towers collapsed, it’s simple engineering and material failures.
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Post by: unbuiltnautilus on October 30, 2017, 09:53:56 am
As they say, don't let science get in the way of a good story....
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Post by: bfgstew on October 30, 2017, 11:31:46 am
Documentary I saw about 9/11, showed something like the top 10 or 20 floors had little or no fire retardant insulation on the steel work. This was aware to all relevant authorities and was a major concern at the time. Little did they know what was coming. Some boffin set an experiment up to show what would/could happen, with and without the insulation. Guess what...........the tower collapsed in on itself as most of the supporting steel work was on the outer frame of the building, leaving the central column of the building the weak point. As has been pointed out several times in this thread, the conspiracy theorists, cannot see the truth put in front of them.
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Post by: Plastic - RIP on October 30, 2017, 11:46:11 am
Wait until the conspiracy nuts talk about WTC7 - an unbalanced building cantilevered over the top of the huge Edison electric substation - it burned due to being set fire by falling debris - but with no firemen or firetrucks left and shattered water mains giving no water pressure, it was just left to burn until the steel softened and down it came.
The nuts claim that no other steel structured building has ever burnt down - so it must have been taken down by explosives......
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Post by: steamboatmodel on October 31, 2017, 02:40:22 pm
A Secret can be kept by one person, for two people to keep a Secret one must kill the other. Thus if I tell you I have to kill you.
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on January 22, 2019, 06:02:41 pm
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Post by: BrianB6 on January 22, 2019, 11:35:18 pm
For the 'Flat Earthers there is always the live view from the ISS. https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/ There are several lenses but one is a wide angle that gives a good idea of the curve of the Earth when it is over the daylight side of our home. I have yet to hear a good explanation from F E's as to why there is night. %%
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Post by: TheLongBuild on January 23, 2019, 12:56:50 am
Over a year, you could not let it lye or is it lie :} :} :}
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Post by: TheLongBuild on January 23, 2019, 01:00:51 am
For the 'Flat Earthers there is always the live view from the ISS. https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/ (https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/) There are several lenses but one is a wide angle that gives a good idea of the curve of the Earth when it is over the daylight side of our home. I have yet to hear a good explanation from F E's as to why there is night. %%
Live view says who, great film studio shot.. :}
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Post by: Umi_Ryuzuki on January 23, 2019, 01:11:36 am
When criticised that their latest lander with an 18cm biosphere might contaminate the moon. Chinese scientists replied that there are over a hundred bags of human waste on the lunarsurface left by Apollo astronauts.
So the moon landings must have happened. Even Chinese scientists say astronauts have pooped there. %)
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Post by: derekwarner on January 23, 2019, 02:56:44 am
Trying to understand with a virtual ZERO atmospheric pressure on the Moon, why didn't the bags of human waste float off into space or orbit?......so when I asked Google this question......
It [Google] took over into Quora :o & confirmed my question has been asked to a technical authority :P & I would be answered
Anyone else experienced such a Google response? :embarrassed:
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Post by: derekwarner on January 23, 2019, 03:11:54 am
Well :embarrassed: four response answers within 5 minutes
[looks like I should stick with model ships .....& leave the Galaxy & orbits & atmospheres to others]
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Post by: BrianB6 on January 23, 2019, 04:34:20 am
It is the same reason that the astronauts did not float off into space from the Moon. But they did have those long jumps instead of walking.
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Post by: TheLongBuild on January 23, 2019, 07:42:52 am
Yes the clangers never floated away either..
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Post by: DaveM on January 23, 2019, 08:38:18 am
I occasionally have that problem, but a second flush usually does the job. %) DM
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Post by: roycv on January 23, 2019, 09:00:02 am
Hi all, before the EU forced us to clean up our beaches 'floaters' were not an uncommon sight on some beaches. So they do exist! If the Americans had been in the EU there would have been legislation stopping them leaving crap around like that.
I do worry about the world not being round after all, probably flat. What is underneath and how thick is it? On my journey to Oz each year I try to stay awake for that bit where we go through 180 degrees and fly the other way but I always seem to be asleep. I hope the Chinese will tell us how thick the moon is, now they are hiding on the other side. I also think going to the other side is not sporting and probably against EU rules, which is why we are not allowed to do it.
Any apparent roundness is mainly due to varifocal glasses. I csn prove the corollary! I have a set of stanchions that are upright when viewed through my glasses, but trail off at an angle when viewed without my glasses on. Ergo...... Confused, Roy
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Post by: Plastic - RIP on January 23, 2019, 09:11:12 am
Trying to understand with a virtual ZERO atmospheric pressure on the Moon, why didn't the bags of human waste float off into space or orbit?......so when I asked Google this question......
It [Google] took over into Quora :o & confirmed my question has been asked to a technical authority :P & I would be answered
Anyone else experienced such a Google response? :embarrassed:
You do know there is a difference between air and gravity? We have an atmosphere on Earth because air has mass, and is attracted to the nearest large mass, i.e. the center of the Earth. Result is about 14PSI at sea level. But the reason we do not float off is because of our mass being pulled downwards rather than the weight of the air above us pushing down. The Moon is a lot smaller and has less gravity, and has not been able to retain an atmosphere - the solar wind blew it away. Solid, dense items just sit there on the surface. Liquids, due to being in a vacuum, stop being liquids and get the solar wind treatment.
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Post by: roycv on January 23, 2019, 11:10:59 am
So does that mean the crap does not smell? {-) {-) Roy
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Post by: malcolmfrary on January 23, 2019, 11:18:03 am
So does that mean the crap does not smell? {-) {-) Roy
Thats like the tree falling with nobody to hear it. But remember the story of the lumberjack who broke wind in midwinter, and it didn't gp "Phrrrrt" until mid May when the thaw set in.
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Post by: dreadnought72 on January 23, 2019, 11:23:24 am
Given that the waste bags have out-gassed, been boiled (120℃) and frozen (-170℃) over six hundred times in the past nearly-fifty years, I doubt there's much risk of smell at all!
Andy
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Post by: Plastic - RIP on January 23, 2019, 11:31:59 am
The smell comes from bacterial activity - and the surface of the moon is a pretty tough place for life so it's all going to be dead - and the radiation levels over that time will have sterilised it.
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Post by: Liverbudgie2 on January 23, 2019, 11:38:24 am
You do know there is a difference between air and gravity? We have an atmosphere on Earth because air has mass, and is attracted to the nearest large mass, i.e. the center of the Earth. Result is about 14PSI at sea level. But the reason we do not float off is because of our mass being pulled downwards rather than the weight of the air above us pushing down. The Moon is a lot smaller and has less gravity, and has not been able to retain an atmosphere - the solar wind blew it away. Solid, dense items just sit there on the surface. Liquids, due to being in a vacuum, stop being liquids and get the solar wind treatment.
It's a quite sensible though for someone down under. After all for those of us on the topside gravity is pulling us down and holding us on the earth. Once you get to Oz on the bottom of the earth this pull will be taking them away from the earth so it must be air pressure holding them down. {-) {-) %) Jim
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Post by: justboatonic on January 23, 2019, 02:05:53 pm
Trying to understand with a virtual ZERO atmospheric pressure on the Moon, why didn't the bags of human waste float off into space or orbit?......so when I asked Google this question......
It [Google] took over into Quora :o & confirmed my question has been asked to a technical authority :P & I would be answered
Anyone else experienced such a Google response? :embarrassed:
Gravity. The Moon has some, about 1\6th that of Earth. It just means 6lbs of poop weighs around 1lbs on the Moon. Gravity pulls any any object down toward the centre of the Moon or any other body. it doesnt matter whether you are at the Moon's south pole or north pole, you'll always be pulled towards the centre of the Moon. Ergo the poop bags dont float away. BTW, this is a good video about why the Moon landing pictures were not faked. https://youtu.be/_loUDS4c3Cs
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Post by: roycv on January 23, 2019, 02:06:13 pm
It is nice to know that you don't get your own back when peeing into the solar wind, or do you? I mean how many people do you know that have peed into the solar wind? So we can't be certain that it is true. I remain a septic.
Roy
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Post by: justboatonic on January 23, 2019, 02:17:51 pm
It is nice to know that you don't get your own back when peeing into the solar wind, or do you? I mean how many people do you know that have peed into the solar wind? So we can't be certain that it is true. I remain a septic.
Roy
Erm, your urine, along with your other bodily fluids would boil if you tried it. It's not really the solar wind that is the issue, it is the fact you're in a near vacuum. It is easily proved on Earth that fluids including bodily fluids boil in a vacuum.
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Post by: Bob K on January 23, 2019, 02:27:04 pm
This thread is getting silly. I really hope no "body fluids" were left behind as this would spoil the cheese. Yes, the moon has been proven to be made of cheese, see the Wallace & Grommit documentary.
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Post by: Ken G121 on January 23, 2019, 02:47:03 pm
I think the Russians hate the yanks so much if it had been a hoax they would have put great effort into exposing it. Man will return one day if only to find that golf ball and put it on eBay!
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Post by: Plastic - RIP on January 23, 2019, 03:04:53 pm
Erm, you p*ss along with your other bodily fluids would boil if you tried it. It's not really the solar wind that is the issue, it is the fact you're in a near vacuum. It is easily proved on Earth that fluids including bodily fluids boil in a vacuum.
They actually freeze. As the low pressure causes any dissolved gasses to expand it fizzes like coke but as gas molecules leave the liquid, they lower the temperature of the remaining liquid until it freezes solid - stopping any further out-gassing. Then it starts to thaw which then the liquid evaporates and freezes the bulk again.
This is really annoying in high-vacuum work when trying to find a leak within a water-cooled chamber. You get surges of good vacuum and then poor vacuum - and then good again.
I used to run cyclotrons and an equivalent leak of a coke-can full every 30 years would stop us dead.
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Post by: Taranis on January 23, 2019, 09:14:17 pm
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Post by: derekwarner on January 23, 2019, 09:39:08 pm
...So Malcolm says......" You do know there is a difference between air and gravity "
......errr...I do not know that your explanation made any clear reference to a definition between the two :o
Saying that you have a 250gm packet of salted vinegar chips in a cardboard box in a plastic bag in my left hand does not necessarily let me understand why the will fall to my toes if the both the packet & the bag are opened {-)
Derek
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Post by: BrianB6 on January 23, 2019, 11:07:21 pm
They won't fall anywhere. One of my grand daughters will have eaten them. :embarrassed:
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Post by: malcolmfrary on January 24, 2019, 09:44:51 am
...So Malcolm says......" You do know there is a difference between air and gravity? " ......errr...I do not know that your explanation made any clear reference to a definition between :o the two [/size][/font] (size corrected)- You do know there is a difference between air and gravity?"......errr...I do not know that your explanation made any clear reference to a definition between the two
Saying that you have a 250gm packet of salted vinegar chips in a cardboard box in a plastic bag in my left hand does not necessarily let me understand why the will fall to my toes if the both the packet & the bag are opened {-)
Derek
All otherwise unsupported items that have mass are attracted to a nearby mass. The one that wins on this planet is the planet. Unsupported stuff will head for the planet core by the shortest route, i.e., down. As an experiment, if you let go the plastic bag containing the cardboard box it will exhibit the same behaviour, dropping floorwards. It isn't air pushing down, its gravity pulling. It also keeps the air in place, which is generally a good thing. The presence of air will actually slow down the rate of fall. I believe that something like this was demonstrated on the (actually visited) moon involving a feather and a hammer dropped by an astronaut, which both fell (under the influence of the Moon's gravity) to the Moon's surface simultaneously. The original "Things Dropping" thing was noted by Isaac Newton, who went away and had a think about it before calling the effect "Gravity". Of course, if it is an individually packaged Walkers crisp, in the presence of air, it might blow away before it get to floor level, but thats aerodynamics.
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Post by: justboatonic on January 24, 2019, 12:12:47 pm
They actually freeze. As the low pressure causes any dissolved gasses to expand it fizzes like coke but as gas molecules leave the liquid, they lower the temperature of the remaining liquid until it freezes solid - stopping any further out-gassing. Then it starts to thaw which then the liquid evaporates and freezes the bulk again.
This is really annoying in high-vacuum work when trying to find a leak within a water-cooled chamber. You get surges of good vacuum and then poor vacuum - and then good again.
I used to run cyclotrons and an equivalent leak of a coke-can full every 30 years would stop us dead.
I wouldnt disagree. As air pressure reduced, the 'boiling' point of a liquid reduces. Hence if you want to make a cup of tea at the top of Everest, the boiling point of the water is a lot less than at sea level.
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Post by: Martin (Admin) on February 12, 2019, 05:55:00 am
BBC: Why so many people believe conspiracy theories - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-47144738