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Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: Martin (Admin) on August 18, 2010, 08:39:17 pm
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What should be the Most Famous Ship of all time and why?
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I thought the answer was "Titanic" :-))
db
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I have to agree with the above poster the "Titanic" and you know why. ;D
Andre
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Noah's Ark?
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Got it in a oner Colin. Sign of the times that it wasn`t the first (and only) answer ! For those that disagree, it has been written about for a couple of thousand years.
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But surely we need to name a REAL ship!!!!!!! %% %% %%
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Neither was designed by IKB so both fail. However, Golden Hind has a good claim, as has HMS Victory. All that RMS Titanic did was sink. With apologies to the fundamentalists, it may be that Noah's Ark was a ship in the same sense that M.Poirot was a famous Belgian - he always comes 3rd after Eddie Mercx and Rene Magritte. I'm more tactful than Footski!
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Footski, just you wait till the dig it out of Mt. Aratat %)
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its hard to decide one there are many famouse ships. the titanic is probaly going to be one of the most popular to appear on this thread but i have some others that may be more historic then the titanic with out the use of claiming a few 1000's lives. fame should not be based on disaster...
try these...
Achille Lauro
Hijacked in 1985 by four Palestinians; one passenger killed and thrown overboard. (December 2, 1947 - Sank on December 2, 1994 due to fire)
Admiral, SS
Was the largest river cruise ship in the world, sailing the Mississippi from St. Louis; in 1979 converted to a land-based casino.
America
Won the Royal Yacht Squadron's 53 mile regatta around the Isle of Wight, August 22, 1851.American 19th century racing yacht (schooner) (May 3, 1851 - Berthed at Annapolis, remnants removed and burned in 1945) Gave its name to the international sailing
Andrea Doria, SS
Collided with the Stockholm in the Atlantic and sank.
Arizona, USS
(BB-39)
The sunken ship lies in Pearl Harbor with a memorial above it honoring the crew lost. (October 17, 1916 - Sunk during the December 7, 1941 Pearl Harbor attack)
Beagle, HMS
Its second voyage carried Charles Darwin on his historic expedition. (May 11, 1820 - Sold for scrap in 1870)
Belle of Louisville
Oldest continually operating steamboat in the United States.
Bismarck
At the Battle of Denmark Straits in May, 1941, fired upon the British battlecruiser HMS Hood which sank within minutes. (August 24, 1940 - Sunk by British forces May 27, 1941 in the North Atlantic)
Bluebird K7
Set seven world water speed records between 1955 and 1964, reaching 276.33 mph (444.71 km/h). (Early 1955 - Flipped and disintegrated at high speed January 4, 1967, killing Campbell)
Constitution, USS
(Old Ironsides)
Oldest commissioned ship afloat in the world. (October 21, 1797 - Now on display)
Deutschland
A blockade-breaking German merchant submarine used during World War I.(February 19, 1917 - Broken up at Morecambe in 1922)
Discovery
The ship that carried Scott and Shackleton on their first successful journey to the Antarctic. (March 21, 1901 - Museum ship in Dundee, Scotland) She was locked in the ice of the Antacrtic for two years. The ship was eventually freed in February, 1904 by the use of controlled explosives
Edmund Fitzgerald, SS
Endurance
(Christened Polaris)
Used by Sir Ernest Shackleton for the 1914 Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition. (December 17, 1912 - Crushed by pack ice in the Weddell Sea in 1915) One of the strongest wooden ship ever built.
Enterprise, USS
Worlds first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier and the eighth U.S. Naval vessel to bear the name. (September 24, 1960 - Still in use) As one of the oldest carriers in the fleet, she is scheduled for decommissioning in 2014-2015. To be replaced with the USS Enterprise by starfleet {-) {-) {-)
Essex
Was the inspiration for Herman Melville's 1851 classic novel Moby-Dick. (Around 1800 - November 20, 1820) Left Nantucket in 1819 on a whaling voyage in the South Pacific with 21 aboard. It was attacked and sunk by a sperm whale in the Pacific Ocean. Only two men survived.
Exxon Valdez
(later Sea River Mediterranean)
Flying Cloud
Sailed from New York to San Francisco in 89 days, more than 16,000 miles. (1851 - Went aground June 19, 1874) Its navigator was a woman, Eleanor Creesy.
General Slocum
Caught fire and burned to the water line in New Yorks East River on June 15, 1904 killing 1,021 people. (April 18, 1891 - The remains were recovered and converted into a barge, which sank in a storm in 1911)
Glomar Explorer
Built for a secret operation by the CIA to recover a sunken Soviet submarine, K-129, which was lost in April 1968. (July 1, 1971 - currently operates as the GSF Explorer) Converted into a deep sea oil drilling ship in 1997.
Golden Hind
Circumnavigation of the globe between 1577 and 1580, captained by Sir Francis Drake. (Probably 1576 - In dry dock for decades where it rotted away) Originally known as the Pelican, but was renamed by Drake mid-voyage.
Graf Spee, Admiral
Though size was limited by the Treaty of Versailles, she was as heavily armed as a battleship. Sank nine Allied merchant ships. (January 6, 1936 - Scuttled December 17, 1939) Afterwards, ships of this size were called heavy cruisers.
Great Eastern, SS
The worlds largest steamship; successfully laid cable across the Atlantic ocean cable.(January 31, 1858 - Broken up 1889)
Great Republic, SS
The largest wooden clipper ship ever constructed, requiring 1,500,000 feet of pine, 336 1/2 tons of iron, and 56 tons of copper. (October 4, 1853 - abandoned during a hurricane off Bermuda, March 5, 1872) In 1853, fire sank her; but she was salvaged and rebuilt as a three deck vessel and went on to set trans-Atlantic speed records.
Hood, HMS
Last battlecruiser built by Britain. (May 15, 1920 - Sunk by the German battleship Bismarck at the Battle of the Denmark Straits, May, 1941) Of the 1,418 aboard, only three men survived.
I belive HMS Hood beats the Titanic Personally
Hunley, H.L.
During the American Civil War, the first submarine to sink a ship. (July 1863 - Sank after attacking and sinking USS Housatonic in Charleston Harbor February 17, 1864) Attacked by embedding a barbed spar torpedo into the foes hull and detonating t as she backed away.
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HMS DREADNOUGHT 1905
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Name, Nautilus (JV's) O0 %)
Why, Way ahead of its time
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Bluebird K7
Set seven world water speed records between 1955 and 1964, reaching 276.33 mph (444.71 km/h). (Early 1955 - Flipped and disintegrated at high speed January 4, 1967, killing Campbell)
Famous certainly - but a ship?
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That question is very subjective, and the answers will vary according to your nationality, or particular interest. Ask an Australian and you may well be told Endeavour; an Englishman may regard Victory as the most famous, or perhaps Golden Hind. An American may say Mayflower, and so on.
Titanic would probably be the layman's answer, as her sinking is the most publicised maritime disaster in history, but that's the only reason she's famous.
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned QE2, she was certainly the most recognisable ship of modern times, and patronised by the rich, famous and titled. (I sailed on her a couple of years ago and I am none of these {-) but that simply shows how wide her appeal was. )
Peter.
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And what about the Kon-Tiki and Ra eh? <*<
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There is also the Tom Thumb. :-))
Applicable to that great discovery, settlement etc,etc, country OZ, %) :-)) O0
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How about either of the Cunard 1930's Queens, Elizabeth and Mary. Both did service in WWII
To show my nationalistic side..the Bluenose. Won the International Fisherman's Trophy 17 years in a row. After the races, it went back to its work a day world of fishing. It has also been on our dime for more years than I've been around.
John
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What do you class as fame? The ship that the most people in the world know about or the ship that
most have been written about - I think the answer to both these is the Titanic. Or is it the ship type
that is famous - middle east or far east it would be a Chinese junk or arab dhow that most ordinary
people would know - western world - maybe viking longship or square rigger. Question is far too open,
are we looking throughout history or taking a myopic view from the 20/21st century perspective.
Geoff
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It's just 'pub talk' Geoff, nothin' too serious! :-)
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Yes Martin I realise that; from a personal point of view it would be the "Edinburgh Castle" of the old
Castle line as it during the war safely traversed the u-boats in the Bay of Biscay and west coast of
Africa and got my dad safely to Egypt to join the 8th army otherwise no Pugwash and and his
brothers, and it was a handsome ship.
Geoff
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Prophet has given us a long list of ships with a good solid claim to fame, but very few people actually know about them. If you took a poll of people from around the world, in countries with a coastline and cinemas, Titanic would be the first ship name to be mentioned, and thus the most famous. In this context, fame is "people remembering your name at the time the question was asked", and is more akin to celebrity and notoriety rather than merit or historical significance.
The number of times my HMCS Snowberry, when sailing my local lake has attracted the comment from a passing child to its mother"Look! A Titanic!", not withstanding the different number of funnels and colour scheme.
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I think the interesting thing is the title here, what SHOULD be the most famous ship of all time.
I would say that the Titanic probably is as a result of the huge unecessary loss of civilian life, the significant changes in ship construction and development that the tragedy led to as well as the fact that the whole episode caputured the attention of the entire world where the incident has remained for almost a century.
However what should be the most famous as opposed to what actually is may be a bit more creative and open to interpretation. I thought about all sorts of possibilities for vessels that have had a significant impact on our lives, which include all the obvious stuff such as the Bismarck, the Dreadnaught, the QE2, the Mayflower, The Spray, etc.. but then came to realise that the one ship that captured the hearts and imaginations of more people than any other vessel, had more impact on the world than any other vessel and continues to be the most talked about vessel ever has to be the Titanic.
So I reckon the ship that should be the most famous already is, the Titanic. O0
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Considering the impossible task..............my two bob is on Noah's Ark as previously suggested by Colin...... O0 & :-)) .......
Noah's Ark?
So Martin also asks why ??????? ...well just spend a few years reading & understanding the books of Old Bible....plenty of river & sea fearing/faring stories there :-X.......... Derek
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Which ship was the first with a Triple Expansion steam engine?
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Hard to say at present however I find at: http://www.norwayheritage.com/articles/templates/ships.asp?articleid=87&zoneid=5 that the Martello of the Wilson Line, introduced in the trade in 1884. was the first to use it on the N. Atlantic. Though according to: http://everything2.com/title/triple+expansion+steam+engine they appeared around 1870.
I've no more time to look at present as I have to go and take pictures of The World.
LP
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S.S. Minnow.
What other shipwreck could turn a "3 hour tour" into 96 original episodes of entertainment and continue to entertain on a daily basis right up to now, 43 years after the last original episode aired?
Randy
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Sorry Dinosaurman. but who or what was S.S. Minnow??
Geoff
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Sorry Dinosaurman. but who or what was S.S. Minnow??
Geoff
http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=S.S.+Minnow.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=VkhtTP7wCc6z4gaW25niCg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CDUQsAQwAw&biw=1259&bih=526
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfR7qxtgCgY
Peter
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In that case, how about "The Black Pig"? Or was it just the crew?
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Marie Celeste
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I'm in a pedantic mood it was actually the MARY CELESTE
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oh vraiment ok2
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No contest
QE2
she speaks for her self
John
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Only joking Kenny - had a bad day - SWMBO has had me powerwashing the
stables most of the week and I'm about K - nacked
Geoff
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Hi Geoff. Just feeling a bit light headed. had a good day modelling and all's well with the world. ;)
It's just that this ship reminds me of modellers at the lake. All boat, and no crew :}
Ken
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Sorry but for me it has to be HMS/M TRUCULENT a "T" Class mk 3 lost on the 12th Jan 1950. Why my DAD was on her at the time.
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Which ship was the first with a Triple Expansion steam engine?
The first transatlantic vessel with triple expansion engines, was the S/S Martello of the Wilson Line, introduced in the trade in 1884.
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Taking the title ship in its true sense {:-{("Ship" A three or more masted vessel square rigged on all masts)and being bloody minded I would say HMS Victory, HBMS Revenge, The Clipper Ship Cutty Sark
If you are talking about vessels I would have said The Viking Long Boat 1) Discovery of the Americas 2) Exploration {and raiding} Europe The Med, British Isles, Baltic, Russia's, North Atlantic and Parts of Africa ... The "Ambiguous Spanish" Galleon (they were mostly Barque Rigged and so were not true ships) "Most people on seeing a sailing vessel or a model say "look at that Galleon" So even though its mistaken ID they are still the most famous Name.
Freebooter :-))
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still stand by my first answer... some of you are just trying way too hard and coming up with some really obscure vessels
"famous" is the key word.. its no good asking ship enthusiasts.. to get the right answer for "most famous" you have to ask "joe Public" ships your granny or yer mam can name..
Titanic it is then :-))
its like... most people can tell you the name of the plane that dropped the first nuclear bomb on Japan?
"Enola Gay" easy everyone knows that!
ask the same people to name the aircraft that dropped the bomb on Nagasaki?
errrrrrm????
yep most famous it is!
db
"Bocks car" dropped the bomb on Nagasaki if you wanted to know :-))
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dbninja, the question is what "should be", not what "is", the most famous ship of all time. While I do agree with your reasons for naming Titanic, and there's no doubt it is the most famous, Martin has asked for opinions on what should be the most famous. As I said in my earlier post, it's a very subjective question, rather like asking, "How long is a piece of string?" {-), and there's no definitive answer.
But it does make for some interesting debate O0
Peter.
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Hi,
a lot of people will say Titanic (i believe its because of the sinking on its maiden voyage , the loss of 1500 lives and the films) .but i would nominate the Wilhelm Gustloff a German cruise ship which was torpedoed in January 1945 and was the worst ever loss of life in a single incident ,with a loss of over 10 thousand souls.
The most fascinating vessel i have seen would have to be Mary Rose.
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TURBINIA
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GREAT BRITAIN
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DREADNOUGHT
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ROYAL DAFFODIL
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SRN6 ?
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What should be the most famous ship of all time, Noah's Ark O0 O0
and Why, because that is where we all are from? :-)) :-))
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What should be the most famous ship of all time, Noah's Ark O0 O0
and Why, because that is where we all are from? :-)) :-))
REMEMBER IT WELL,I WAS IN CHARGE OF THE SHOVEL {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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I WOULD ALSO HAVE TO NOMINATE MY MOTHER IN LAW, What a battle wagon ,WITH A FULL HEAD OF STEAM and all gunnery going,it was a fearsome sight which would have sent any ship to the bottom with a sharp word,
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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I remember the Ark when Noah was the skipper and Pontius was a pilate
Ned
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The ark was not a ship- it was unpowered and was therfore a barge.
The one that does it for me is IKB's Great Britain- first propellor driven ship, fastest across the atlantic, arrived in US with 200tons of coal still in her hold on her first trip, she opened up transatlantic travel- something that today we cannot live without, and most importantly she represents entirely the period in our history where great men could come up with ideas and see them through with sheer tenacity and intelligence, and they worked!
Greg
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One not mentioned so far is the ship that probably made the greatest contribution ever to our understanding of, and the major, innovative, accurate survey of the world that is still used a a benchmark today. Gentlemen, I give you HMS "Challenger". BY.
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Bryan,
I remember her well.
While she was fitting out in Scots of Greenock.
I was on RMAS Mandarin, a mooring and salvage vessel which was entering Great Harbour in Greenock.
The skipper made a right pigs ear of his approach and we wiped out the guardrails on her stbd shoulder!!!
Bob
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Bryan,
I remember her well.
While she was fitting out in Scots of Greenock.
I was on RMAS Mandarin, a mooring and salvage vessel which was entering Great Harbour in Greenock.
The skipper made a right pigs ear of his approach and we wiped out the guardrails on her stbd shoulder!!!
Bob
Hmmm, are we talking about the same ship? If we are then you must be well into your 2nd century. Bryan.
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I thought you meant the Diving Support Vessel.
Bob
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Seems that most people are just listing their own favourite ship rather than the most well known one....
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For the modern age I reckon...
Great Western - the first purpose built transatlantic steamship and first ocean liner.
Great Britain - considered the first modern ship, being built of metal rather than wood.
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CARPATHIA
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Oh, what the hell! Syrarcusia then...
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Nah! Never heard of it!
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Lollypop a good ship I hear.
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Tempted to respond to Lollipop with Venus, but decorum and good taste suggest the Argo instead.
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I have four.. in no particular order..
Trieste (look it up!)
HMS Victory (the oldest commissioned warship)
SS Great Britain
RMS Titanic
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I hate to be pedantic. But if you have to look it up, its hardly famous. {:-{
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I am surprised that none of the ships that sailed on the great voyages of discovery
and opened up the world to new lands and trade are mentioned
How many would know the names of Chris Columbus's ships or even Charles Darwin's
The names of the great adventurers live on on maps and charts as placenames
but the ships that carried them around the known and the unknown world fade
into the background
These were not specially built ships , they were just ships borrowed for the voyage.
For example Endeavour was a Whitby 'Cat' designed for transporting coal in the North Sea
but she got a fair few miles under her keel.
Ships evolved from primitive mans need to cross a stretch of water or to catch fish away from the shore
In this context the pinnacle of maritime evolution would be the first ship to circumnavigate the world.
There are many ships that have achieved fame for the wrong reasons. Titanic should be nototious rather
than famous as she was a catalogue of errors from the drawing board upwards. You don't achieve fame by
not having enough lifeboats.
Many ships achieve fame by the actions of their crews or because they are the first ,fastest,biggest or most
innovative of their kind or time.
Martin you have asked a very difficult question--Whats your answer?
Yours Aye
Ned
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Just to be clever, %) and without looking them up O0
The Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria for Columbus, and Beagle for Darwin :D
Peter.
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I meant in general Peter
Not the knowledgeable members of this forum
We of a certain age were taught these facts in school
but no more alas
Ned
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i will have to say the titanic should not rate a mention as she sunk halfway through her first voyage
Just my 2 cents
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All of the boats mentioned have their merits, but fame and merit are not the same. Just read the papers and figure if any of the "famous" actually have any real merit. Same with ships.
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We of a certain age were taught these facts in school
Ned, you mean old codgers like me :o {-)
You're quite right, though, I WAS taught those facts at school but, even more amazing, I've remembered them O0 for 60 odd years :-)
Peter.
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OK Lads it's time to stop pussyfooting around, All seamen know that there is only one candidate, and that is "The Good Ship Venus" There was even a poem penned about her
Twas on the good ship Venus
By god you should have seen us
The Figure Head was a Maid in Bed ---{and so on and so forth}
Now what could be more famous than that????? And No I won't' post you the full poem, look it up your self... Oh! you might look up Eskimo Nell (27 verses) while you are at it
Freebooter {-) :-)) ;)
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Ned, you mean old codgers like me :o {-)
You're quite right, though, I WAS taught those facts at school but, even more amazing, I've remembered them O0 for 60 odd years :-)
Peter.
It seems that being taught the 'old' way worked I can remember all sorts that amaze the grown-up children when quizzes are on but what was for lunch yesterday???
Ned
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Titanic is the worlds most popular shipwreck, no question.
HMAV Bounty had an interesting story, one that is still being talked about today (that basically Bligh wasn't a tyrant etc).
HMS Endeavour and cooks trip to watch Venus (and check out the Vegemite down under)
KZ-7 (aka plastic fantastic) the first glass fibre Americas Cup yacht. Changed modern sailing forever
QE II as most of us have seen it at some stage in our lives. I remember a large chunk of Auckland used to go down and watch it arrive.
But I all suppose it will depend on how old you are, where you live, what boats you like and how much you like them. %%
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USS Nautilus (SSN-571)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nautilus_(SSN-571)
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USS ENTERPRISE.
Paul... %)
PS, Beam me up Scotty!
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you can't beat USS Voyager then. :-))
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USS Defiant. Deep Space 9 all the way. O0
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Hammy Hamster's speed boat (tales of the riverbank)