Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: DickyD on December 30, 2010, 07:31:40 pm
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Isle of Wight rescue boat punctured 17 times by vandals
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A lifeboat has been punctured 17 times by vandals on the Isle of Wight.
The small inflatable craft, used by Freshwater Independent Lifeboats, was discovered deflated on Tuesday and is one of two vessels used by the charity.
Vice president Don Wright said it would have an impact on people living on the west of the island as the other boat was a 25-minute drive away in Yarmouth.
The charity is hoping to repair the boat temporarily with a rubber strip until a replacement can be found.
Due to its small size, the boat is used to recover bodies following cliff deaths and to rescue stranded dogs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-12092282
It is thought the boat was damaged by a dart.
'No sense'
Mr Wright said: "Whoever has done this mindless act has done it against the west Wight people, there's no sense in it.
"It's used for close inshore work along the back of the Wight because of the rocks you can't get a conventional boat in, the flat-bottom boat is idea for that sort of thing.
"The only way to get into them is by these inflatables.
"I can't see why they did it. We are out to help people, not to cause trouble."
The Freshwater Lifeboat launches on average 30 times each year to assist the Coastguard.
Last year it helped more than 200 people in difficulty at sea and around the shore.
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>:-o >:-o >:-o >:-o >:-o <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:(
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>:-o Absolutely sick and mindless!
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lets hope that when they need asssistance some day nobody will help them !
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I've seen that boat on a number of occasions.
Unfortunately the people who do this sort of thing are lacking in both mental capacity and morality and will no doubt see it in the same light as puncturing car tyres. All you can do is hope that they will be caught and given appropriate punishment. However the Freshwater Bay location is relatively isolated so it is rather surprising that it has been targeted.
Most people view the Isle of Wight as a pleasant holiday destination, which it is but unemployment is very high and there is a lot of petty crime.
Colin
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All you can do is hope that they will be caught and given appropriate punishment.
Very unlikely - bring back public flogging !!
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Still got to catch them first.....
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lets hope that when they need asssistance some day nobody will help them !
Very much doubt that they will.
Faeces float.......... no need for rescue. >:-o
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Find out who they are, stand them next to the Boat with a plac hanging round their necks
WE DID THIS SO PLEASE CAN U DO THE SAME TO US COS WE DESERVE IT.
Mindless Morons
Stav
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I pity them I really do, all they have in the world is the time to go and do things as mindless and stupid as that, true nominees for the Darwin award if there ever was one!!!
Greg
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its strange , they come along and cause hundreds if not thousands of pounds worth of damage , and yet NOBODY SEES OR HEARS ANYTHING ? to puncture the vessel 17 times must have made a noise ? given that 90% of the population carry a mobile phone id have hopoed that somebody could have at least called the police to catch the culprits in the act !
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Some trivia/food for thought,
Some time back here in OZ, we had a problem with vandalism of public telephones, chords, equipment, hadsets etc, when public phones were everyewhere.
Contacted manufacturer, Japan, to implement design improvements to counter vandalism, their response, what is vandalism unheard of in Asian culture.
It seems that vandalism (AKA, lack of respect) is restricted to Western civilisations, maybe not so nowdays as other countries become westernised. <:( <:( <:(
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The boathouse is in a relatively isolated location. Freshwater Bay is not exactly a densely populated community.
Colin
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if they can afford it they should get the smart-water protection system fitted to the alarm system , it sprays water with a dye that glows under ultra-violet light and is chemically marked ( like a DNA marker ) so it can be traced back to the station , its also impossible to remove without the correct solvent and lasts 6 to 8 weeks on the skin.....
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>:-o >:-o
Idiots like this would be the first to moan if an emergency service didn't turn up in seconds if they needed it.
As for calling them morons I feel that is far to polite, I see them as something similar to an ancient English King who ruled here between 1016 and 1035.
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There's an apparently endless stream of anti-social acts publicised in the media which excite vigilante rants. We do seem to regularly vent our spleens and advocate remedies/reprisals which in hindsight are often as objectionable as the acts we rightly abhor. The tabloid media don't offer understanding or solutions related to the incidents they publicise but they do make money out of them. They certainly won't be sponsering or funding a youth project to engage or redeem disaffected youngsters on the I O W or anywhere else.
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There's an apparently endless stream of anti-social acts publicised in the media which excite vigilante rants. We do seem to regularly vent our spleens and advocate remedies/reprisals which in hindsight are often as objectionable as the acts we rightly abhor. The tabloid media don't offer understanding or solutions related to the incidents they publicise but they do make money out of them. They certainly won't be sponsering or funding a youth project to engage or redeem disaffected youngsters on the I O W or anywhere else.
While I understand the righteous indignation of the other posters here, I want to express my appreciation for your thoughtful and well measured comments.
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Forget the indignation and measured comments, it's down to complacency on the part of those who whinge and do b - - - - r all about the problem. They're your offspring and have excused their right to "express" their own individuality, always "someone Else's breed"
accept your own failings and stop moaning.
Regards Ian
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As usual Ian in his usual diplomatic way is trying to start a wind up.
They are not my offspring and I very much doubt if they belong to anyone else on here either, unless Ian knows them personally that is.
Although the lifeboat station stands on the bay on its own it is not left unattended when open, plus there is a shop attached.
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Despite a difference of opinion Dicky, good that you're back in circulation and stealing some of my supply of fresh air. {-) :-))
Nothing to do with trying to wind up an argument, when the little darlings are with their mates, how many know what the fruit of their loins are up to?? I remember two "Lads" who in their school uniforms looked like little angels. Remember Jamie Bulger?????????
Why is it allways the "Other" peoples kids that are miscreants? Who sets the level of what is socially acceptable? Can't even get agreement on what is legal operation by one guy on THIS forum so if Dad can flount the law, what are his own parameters??
Regards Ian.
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As usual Ian in his usual diplomatic way is trying to start a wind up.
Well, you are hardly a stranger to that technique yourself Richard!
Colin
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the law in this country seems to be on the side of the villan if us law abiding members attempt to prevent a mindless yob damaging something its us that are likly to be had up in court ! during last summer while out with my partner we spotted three yobs on board sombodys fishing vessel , theyd thrown part of the fishing equipment into the sea and were attempting to un tie the vessel , other people around were just watching them . instead of watchingi phoned the local police who responded within a couple of minuets , they managed to stop the yobs from stealing the boat , but all the police did was give them a verbal warning , which to my mind isnt enough of a deterent ?
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Too true triumphjon, the vilians seem to have more legal rights than us good people, if you try to stop them you get in to more trouble than the vilans, Iv spent a bit of time working in Singapore and Dubia and there is next to no crime cause the punish ments for are so harsh mybe we should adopt some of this.
But back to the life boat, as im a seaman and in my time off I spend time on the water vandlising life saving equipment is a jail sentance to me, iv never had to use them and hope i never need too, but im so glad these Guys are there and doing what they do, thumbs up guys if your on here. :-))
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Too true triumphjon, the vilians seem to have more legal rights than us good people, if you try to stop them you get in to more trouble than the vilans, Iv spent a bit of time working in Singapore and Dubia and there is next to no crime cause the punish ments for are so harsh mybe we should adopt some of this.
But back to the life boat, as im a seaman and in my time off I spend time on the water vandlising life saving equipment is a jail sentance to me, iv never had to use them and hope i never need too, but im so glad these Guys are there and doing what they do, thumbs up guys if your on here. :-))
Here here, perhaps that's point, all of us on here, and the majority of the nation are law abiding citizens that try their best to do what's right, however there are always those that won't- we just need to make sure our children grow up with the right morals, we are after all the majority- though of course the silent majority are always drowned out by the loud soloist.
Keep it up RNLI, despite the odds :-))
Greg
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You hit the nail on the head there Greg, teach our children the proper morals, i was brought up in the outer heberides of scotland, im only 28 but moved to glasgow 10 years ago and the differance from an island up bringing to what its like on the main land totaly differant, we got tought to respect elders and basiclay respect life, you need to have a stiff hand with your kids and teach them whats right wrong these things wont happen, a wee stiff hand from my parents over the years was a good thing and im sure most members wont dissagree. (as they had it) IN MODERATION PLEASE MUM AND DAD.
David
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You hit the nail on the head there Greg, teach our children the proper morals, i was brought up in the outer heberides of scotland, im only 28 but moved to glasgow 10 years ago and the differance from an island up bringing to what its like on the main land totaly differant, we got tought to respect elders and basiclay respect life, you need to have a stiff hand with your kids and teach them whats right wrong these things wont happen, a wee stiff hand from my parents over the years was a good thing and im sure most members wont dissagree. (as they had it) IN MODERATION PLEASE MUM AND DAD.
David
And therein lies the answer/problem, teaching.
Think about this O0 O0 O0
There are some of those of us who can recall shooling was all about receiving an education and preparation how to live in the world.
This included, among other things, ethics, morals, respect, religion. Which were also taught at home and reinforced at school.
However all of these "good character traits" are no longer "taught" in the class room. Not My job says the modern day teacher?????????????????????????? >>:-( >>:-( <*< <*<
So why do we wonder why our kids go off the rails we have carefully put them on. Especially when so called modern teaching undermines parental supervision and authority. Example, Johnny you don't have to obey your Dad he might be bullying you, you have rights as a child I'll tell you what they are and what you can do about it. {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
Teacher doesn't say, but Johny maybe your Dad has a point and you are being a bad boy, perish the thought the child has rights. <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:(
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I could take them fishing dam shame they fell over board Having being resuced once you can relie on the rescue services to help you out without equipment see if the little darlings can swim for a day or so have no time for persons like them I once threw a Crewmember over board for stealing from the first aid kit oxygen thiefs tassie48
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It all boils down to the lack of Consequences for Actions. The young grow up learning that if they do wrong there is no consequences because they are underage and untouchable. It is no excuse but how does a kid of today know right from wrong when they do not get punished for doing something wrong. The law makers have made it so adult crimes commited by children are let off scot free and no records kept.
Regards David
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It all boils down to the lack of Consequences for Actions. The young grow up learning that if they do wrong there is no consequences because they are underage and untouchable. It is no excuse but how does a kid of today know right from wrong when they do not get punished for doing something wrong. The law makers have made it so adult crimes commited by children are let off scot free and no records kept.
Regards David
O0 O0 :-)) :-)) <:( <:(
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mmmm................... I think we agree that through so-called 'improvements to society & humanity' we have irreversibly set an immense rod for our backs......
We have one member posting here who could be :police: charged with a crime if the person who was dunked >>:-( <*< read the posting
Throughout history....it is clear that the only section of society to benefit from 'change' is the legal fraternity >:-o :(( in both prosecuting & defending the crimes committed
Enlightened political parties cannot deny the potential 'improvements to society & humanity' put forward by this singular group....their recommendations ultimately find there way into law...& this manifests its way further down the food chain or to the MORONS that our society has produced.....
In OZ last night on new years eve...we watched the movie "Brave Heart" .......... does this not explain my point? ........Derek
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Well, you are hardly a stranger to that technique yourself Richard!
Colin
Wondered how long it would take you before you had a dig Colin. Didn't disappoint me.
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I personally think it is a lack of "discipline and respect" across the board,
whether it be Kids or Adults.
This is not a new thing. Its just being handled differently
respectfully yours Tony
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Wondered how long it would take you before you had a dig Colin. Didn't disappoint me.
Well Well Well we are back to Mayhem {-) {-) {-) %) %) %)
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Big mistake to abolish public flogging... :} I wonder if Arab life boats, if such things exist, suffer that kind of treatment.
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Big mistake to abolish public flogging... I wonder if Arab life boats, if such things exist, suffer that kind of treatment.
I should imagine it's a case of 'hands off'. :}
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To Colin and Dicky. Although your little spat may be giving the rest of us some vicarious pleasure, the nett result is less than edifying and should really be conducted in private or back in the schoolyard and not publicly on this forum.
I respect both of you for widely different reasons and so would like you both to either make up or just agree to differ and let the matter rest. Bryan Young.
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I should imagine it's a case of 'hands off'. :}
or they may take them and get them stonned, but not in the way they hoped
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To Colin and Dicky. Although your little spat may be giving the rest of us some vicarious pleasure, the nett result is less than edifying and should really be conducted in private or back in the schoolyard and not publicly on this forum.
I respect both of you for widely different reasons and so would like you both to either make up or just agree to differ and let the matter rest. Bryan Young. well said mr young
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or just agree to differ and let the matter rest. Bryan Young.
Yes, I'm happy to let matters rest. All that needs to be said has been.
Getting back on topic, there is a report on the BBC this afternoon saying that vandals have opened the taps and drained water bowsers provided in Northern Ireland while water supplies are being repaired. Apparently it was done by local people, the very ones the water was provided for. Now that IS moronic!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12102570
Colin
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Yes, I'm happy to let matters rest. All that needs to be said has been.
Getting back on topic, there is a report on the BBC this afternoon saying that vandals have opened the taps and drained water bowsers provided in Northern Ireland while water supplies are being repaired. Apparently it was done by local people, the very ones the water was provided for. Now that IS moronic!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12102570
Colin
Have you heard the one about Paddy and Tommy, they were both walking down the street and were feeling thirsty.
They came upon a large container of water with a tap on the bottom.
Paddy opened the tap, and just before it ran out filled a cup to drink from.
"Ey Paddy" says Tommy "Could yer not've jus' filled the cup up before the watter ran owt?!"
"Ah c'morn Tommy, keep up will yer- to be sure the cup would have overflowed with all that water!"
Greg
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Yes, I'm happy to let matters rest. All that needs to be said has been.
Getting back on topic, there is a report on the BBC this afternoon saying that vandals have opened the taps and drained water bowsers provided in Northern Ireland while water supplies are being repaired. Apparently it was done by local people, the very ones the water was provided for. Now that IS moronic!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12102570
Colin
Ah...but was it water provided by the English... Still a lot of bad feeling in NI
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Scottish Water sent a lot. I believe there was a time when "knee-capping" would be in order, might still be.
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Hhhhmmmmmmmm ! ! :police:
Do I detect a slight hint of racial typecasting creeping in to this thread ??? <*< <*< <*<
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Hhhhmmmmmmmm ! ! :police:
Do I detect a slight hint of racial typecasting creeping in to this thread ??? <*< <*< <*<
"RACIAL" one of the most over used conversation stoppers in common use nowadays... :((
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Hhhhmmmmmmmm ! ! :police:
Do I detect a slight hint of racial typecasting creeping in to this thread ??? <*< <*< <*<
You know, I believe you do! :kiss:
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From wikipedia.
Racial segregation is the separation of different kinds of humans
Which in relation to "the Morons" referred to in this thread is appropriate (within that context) to be a Racist %) %) O0 O0 %% %%
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Perhaps a youth project (non holiday) working with 'Wateraid' in a drought stricken community in the third world and a youth project which offers free access to dinghy sailing/tuition on the IOW may be worth evaluating before we consider lynch mob shortcuts to 'crime free' communities. :-)
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There is only one way to punish people who do this type of thing.
A proper good kicking, then when they get better, another good kicking
and so one for about 3 to 4 years while he is in parkhurst or albany stitching 9 to the inch.
since the world of doo gooders has stopped many punishments for evil crime, idiots will
keep doing this type of thing knowing they will only get a slap on the wrist, or caution to be proud of.
Torture is whats needed, that boat could be used to save lives, its not there as something to look at
it serves a very good purpose.
And i dont suppose it was a young kid, its probably an adult who thinks he,s a tough nut.
phill
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:}... Colin [Bishop] ... :embarrassed: ... :police: with the greatest respect....& as a professional facilitator could I suggest >>:-(
1. one must learn to understand the motives of ignorance by others......
2. one must also accept in an open forum ...[such as Mayhem] by responding to any posting may return an obnoxious response %%
3. before a moderator considers my posting to be off line <*<.....please re-read as I am suggesting the subject is still about morons...............Derek
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Very Delphic Derek! ok2
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Think were missing a few points here on this topic, does anyone else not think that perhaps that there is more then one person to blame?
First off yup i agree with most, that this act of vandalism is pretty disgusting, but could it have been avoided in the first place? Of course.. why was the boat not locked up in this shed in the first place, leaving the boat exposed to such behaviour from some person(s)? that alone is bad enough that the RNLI was irresponsible in looking after its equipment in the first place!
Where's the CCTV camera in all this, given today's social behaviour it would be prudent to install even the basic of CCTV to at least get a shot of what happened instead of speculation and instant blame against the 'younger generation', don't tell me that public funded projects such as the RNLI can't afford CCTV, im sure that's part of there insurance policy agreement!
There seams to be a lot of speculation that the younger generation did this, most possibly but although i seriously doubt any one under the age of 16 would have caused such damage believe it or not the majority of youths are quite respectful, and to be honest if they lived close by you would think that maybe they know its importance and would dare not harm what could be a life saver to them or others they know.
Believe it or not im quite in favour of the drunk stupid adult who caused this trying to act the tough man or something utterly stupid.......
This mentality seams to show here on the forum as well given some of the comments posted, Ian made some valid points to which it seams some others lack of understanding or actual ability to read, once again has caused friction and drama in the forum , what frustrates me is that just before xmas there was such a nice post from people wishing you well Mr Dicky.... but yet some of your first posts back come with the attitude that there's a bee up your 'bottom'? for what, male dominance, king of the hill (forum) ??
As some one already said 'new year new start', lets not kick off the new year with hijacking posts to have personal digs at each other eh?
I've said my bit couldn't hold in it in any longer enough said!
Happy New Year All!!
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why was the boat not locked up in this shed in the first place, leaving the boat exposed to such behaviour from some person(s)? that alone is bad enough that the RNLI was irresponsible in looking after its equipment in the first place!
don't tell me that public funded projects such as the RNLI can't afford CCTV, im sure that's part of there insurance policy agreement!
This mentality seams to show here on the forum as well given some of the comments posted, Ian made some valid points to which it seams some others lack of understanding or actual ability to read, once again has caused friction and drama in the forum , what frustrates me is that just before xmas there was such a nice post from people wishing you well Mr Dicky.... but yet some of your first posts back come with the attitude that there's a bee up your 'bottom'? for what, male dominance, king of the hill (forum) ??
As some one already said 'new year new start', lets not kick off the new year with hijacking posts to have personal digs at each other eh?
I've said my bit couldn't hold in it in any longer enough said!
Happy New Year All!!
Mr Roadrunner if you had read this post correctly you would have noticed that these lifeboats are run by Freshwater Independent Lifeboats, which is a charity and not the RNLI. The lifeboats are on show so that money can be raised for the charity. You will also have noticed if you had read the post that there is always someone in attendance as there is a shop on site..
As for hijacking my own post----------come on.
I will send you a PM about the "bee up my bottom"
Enough said.
Happy new year.
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Freshwater Independent Lifeboat station (the one mentioned in the opening post) is not part of the RNLI, and like quite a few other lifeboat stations, was funded separately after the RNLI did some rationalising and closed the local station. The boat was probably not under lock and key because they could well still be saving up for such accommodation.
Trouble is, there is a mentality about that says that it is OK to break anything that is visible, especially anything "official", and very often, this means anything that is not the personal property of that particular vandal.
Believe it or not im quite in favour of the drunk stupid adult who caused this trying to act the tough man or something utterly stupid.......
...eh? Does that mean you are in favour of the vandalism perpetrated, or does it mean that you agree that it could have been a fully grown person (as opposed to an adult)?
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The Freshwater Lifeboats Website: http://lifeboat.p-c-bay.co.uk/
The damage was apparently done overnight, presumably the smaller boat was on a trailer outside. It is a bit isolated at the top of the beach so there wouild have been little problem in approaching and puncturing the boat undetected.
Unfortunately the IoW does seem to suffer from quite a bit of petty crime. It may be a popular holiday destination but there is a very high unemployment rate, particularly in the winter months.
No excuse of course but the Devil makes work for idle hands as they say.
Colin
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There is only one way to punish people who do this type of thing.
A proper good kicking, then when they get better, another good kicking
and so one for about 3 to 4 years while he is in parkhurst or albany stitching 9 to the inch.
since the world of doo gooders has stopped many punishments for evil crime, idiots will
keep doing this type of thing knowing they will only get a slap on the wrist, or caution to be proud of.
Torture is whats needed, that boat could be used to save lives, its not there as something to look at
it serves a very good purpose.
And i dont suppose it was a young kid, its probably an adult who thinks he,s a tough nut.
phill
Im with you on this Phill.
Never mind turn the other cheek and spare the rod etc, etc. Give them a good thrashing and keep on until they learn doing such deeds will result in continued punishment.
I regularly go out for a run on a saturday and sunday (plus other days you understand :}) and within a mile of home, there used to be one of the new glass BT call boxes. It was sited next to a main road through the town. Every saturday it would be intact. Every Sunday ALL the toughened glass had been shattered. Next time I'd go for a run usually the following tuesday or wednesday new glass panels would have been fitted. Saturday fine, sunday trashed again!
One Sunday an old guy was phoning BT to tell them it had been trashed again. I stopped and said it was disgusting someone was doing this regularly and nothing was being done.
A few weeks later BT removed the call box completely. All because some little scrote wanted 'a laugh' when he came out of the pub.
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"Law enforcement" is all about peoples rights nowadays...The criminals.. >:-o
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Last night we in the uk saw a thing on the news about a riot in an open prison !
The prison is run like a holiday camp, not locking up, just nice rooms etc.
They have sports facilities and can walk around the grounds when they want, and even
go to the local shops now and then.
But what did they do ? they smashed the place to bits and set light to it. No brains at all.
Now thats an open prison wherethe rules are very soft.
Now they will all end up in normal prison again.obviously they are not learning anything,it needs to be forced
into their tiny brains.
You wouldnt let a dog keep biting you, you train it, and if it cant be trained, then only one sollution. <*<
Society is far too soft in the uk today. Too many doo gooders
phill
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Last night we in the uk saw a thing on the news about a riot in an open prison !
The prison is run like a holiday camp, not locking up, just nice rooms etc.
They have sports facilities and can walk around the grounds when they want, and even
go to the local shops now and then.
But what did they do ? they smashed the place to bits and set light to it. No brains at all.
Now thats an open prison wherethe rules are very soft.
Now they will all end up in normal prison again.obviously they are not learning anything,it needs to be forced
into their tiny brains.
You wouldnt let a dog keep biting you, you train it, and if it cant be trained, then only one sollution. <*<
Society is far too soft in the uk today. Too many doo gooders
phill
Not entirely the whole story though- guards (all two of them in a 500 person prison!!!) had been turning a blind eye to alcahol been brought into the prison. This one night they decided to clamp down on the thing that they had previously allowed, with the results mentioned above.
Greg
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Looks like the buildings were the same as we lived in
HMS Peregrine AKA RNAS Ford
We moved to Lee on Solent in 1960
Roedean was very adjacent
All the nice girls like a sailor :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Ned
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RNLI Public Funding?
Public Donations
A Charity
No HMG funding
And not wanted as you would then need a comittee meeting to authorise a launch.
Most of the independents have a real struggle keeping a vessel seaworthy and safe
to use without spending money on security systems.
Fire appliances now have up to seven cctv cameras to catch vandals when they are on a shout
Ambulances had the satnav stolen
Scrotes CAUGHT stealing lead from a church roof could not be arrested because the did not have
the lead in their hands when Caught
I rest my case
Ned
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Re: Ford open prison.
These social outcasts (they have been removed from polite society through their own misdeeds) have burned down their own accommodation (supplied by the hard pressed taxpayer). Foolish in the extreme.
OK, it's an act they decided to perpetrate whether drunk or sober.
Now make them live and sleep in their ruined accommodation by welding a steel mesh above the ruins. Perhaps a couple of years freezing their nuts off and contemplating the stars may bring them to sober judgement. If these individuals have had to be removed from society, then society's rules should not apply to them.
And the only persons responsible for this and other recent misdeeds are the 'Bleeding Heart Brigade'. >>:-(
Awaits incoming ........ ;D
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hear hear yarpie , exactly what i said to ann , leave the crims to now suffer days / nights in their new very open prison cells , after all they decided to raise the roof ! as for 2 gaurds & 4 cilvlian assistants to keep order of almost 500 men think somebodys having a joke .
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The problem with sending anyone to prison is that sending them to prison is the so called punishment, (TV, three meals a day, education, sport, etc etc etc all at taxpayers expense)
Heaven forbid, how cruel we were to also make them do hard labour as well as be in prison, shock horror. It was really a failure because they didn't want to go back to prison again.
Prison is no longer a deterrent put them into an old peoples home and see if they like that. >>:-( <*< >>:-( <*<
Really the solution is in our hands, give all your local and non local pollies, from all levels of Govt an earful, might dismiss you offhandedly but if all continue you will prevail.
That is why minorities have organisations and squeal the loudest so that "they" will oil the squeaky wheel. <:( <:(
"honest good men have to stand up lest evil will prevail", there is no such thing as a petty crime it is all the same mind set just varying degrees and should be deterred accordinly. :police: :police:
Because at the end of the day you cannot reason with the unreasonable, that is, the Moron {:-{
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The incidents at Ford are exceptional and prisoners within this type of facility are generally considered to be category D or 'low risk'. There were 290 prisoners in the prison at the time and 40 inmates were involved. So far, 8 are now identified as ringleaders. There are 15 open prisons nationwide and serious disturbances are relatively unknown in these facilities till this incident at Ford.
It's interesting that the USA has the highest prison population in the world:
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/icps/downloads/world-prison-pop-seventh.pdf
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what about the so called immigrant detention centre anear heathrow ?
that got burned out when a riot took place.
and to call it detentioncentre is daft.
They can come and go all day from 8am to 10pm.
The wire fence on the perimiter is to stop other people getting in.
50 inch plasma tv,complete sports facilities including 2 full size snookertables. 4 pool tables, swimming pool
tv video in every room,(they should be called suites) carpet throughout that equals and 5 star london hotel.
Meals on the go all day.
Yet the so called inmates, went on a riot and burned the place out.
There was also another open prison near isle of sheppy that had a riot about 8 years back that caused chaos.
But to go riot in open prison shows mentality of the inmates.
The deterrant is not there, even in normal prison you are allowed games consol in your romms, stereo etc.
A friend of mine came out of wormwood scubs with pics of his and his friends cells.
He said he would never be able to rent accomodation like it, no wonder people go back in.
The uk deterrants are useless, we need a much tougher sentance system on crime.
you can get worse for no car tax than for beating up an old lady.
Beat up an old lady your probably looking at £500 fine and possibly 3 months. so thats 6 weeks inside.
no car tax you loose your car, that could cost anything from 300 to 100,000 plus and a fine ofcourse and points on your licence.
phill
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what about the so called immigrant detention centre anear heathrow ?
that got burned out when a riot took place.
and to call it detentioncentre is daft.
They can come and go all day from 8am to 10pm.
The wire fence on the perimiter is to stop other people getting in.
50 inch plasma tv,complete sports facilities including 2 full size snookertables. 4 pool tables, swimming pool
tv video in every room,(they should be called suites) carpet throughout that equals and 5 star london hotel.
Meals on the go all day.
Yet the so called inmates, went on a riot and burned the place out.
There was also another open prison near isle of sheppy that had a riot about 8 years back that caused chaos.
But to go riot in open prison shows mentality of the inmates.
The deterrant is not there, even in normal prison you are allowed games consol in your romms, stereo etc.
A friend of mine came out of wormwood scubs with pics of his and his friends cells.
He said he would never be able to rent accomodation like it, no wonder people go back in.
The uk deterrants are useless, we need a much tougher sentance system on crime.
you can get worse for no car tax than for beating up an old lady.
Beat up an old lady your probably looking at £500 fine and possibly 3 months. so thats 6 weeks inside.
no car tax you loose your car, that could cost anything from 300 to 100,000 plus and a fine ofcourse and points on your licence.
phill
All you need do is change the location name to Christmas island, Brisbane, Villawood etc and all of the above applies to All the detention centres in OZ. <:( <:( <:(
Conspiracy, of course not it is just a coincidence. >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
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"The uk deterrants are useless, we need a much tougher sentance system on crime.
you can get worse for no car tax than for beating up an old lady.
Beat up an old lady your probably looking at £500 fine and possibly 3 months. so thats 6 weeks inside.
no car tax you loose your car, that could cost anything from 300 to 100,000 plus and a fine ofcourse and points on your licence.
phill "
True, but that not the whole story, when a car persistently parked on the double yellow line in front of a shop,the owner complained to a Plastic Police man and he was told:-
That there was nothing they could do as the number plates were false, and as it had no tax disc the owner was unknown...When the shop owner asked why did they not just tow it away...the PCSO told him that it would cost too much money to do that to every car that was illegally parked with no documents...
Moral of the story is if you a law abiding citizen you're easy game ... Ignore the law and your teflon >:-o
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The incidents at Ford are exceptional and prisoners within this type of facility are generally considered to be category D or 'low risk'. There were 290 prisoners in the prison at the time and 40 inmates were involved. So far, 8 are now identified as ringleaders. There are 15 open prisons nationwide and serious disturbances are relatively unknown in these facilities till this incident at Ford.
It's interesting that the USA has the highest prison population in the world:
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/icps/downloads/world-prison-pop-seventh.pdf
I dont think it is exceptional. There have been other instances but even so, one such instance is one too many. Someone has suggested the Prison Officiers regularly turned a blind eye to alcohol being brought into the prison. One report I read said there had been a problem with it being 'smuggled' into the prison. That's totally different to turning a blind eye to it.
As for the US and its prison population, that probably because they dont take any crap from crims and lock criminals up for crimes instead of like we do, for not paying your council tax, tv license and dropping litter.
We dont crack down hard enough on criminals in the UK imo and we are far too soft of them. But that's just my opinion.
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The staffing levels are so low in some the prisons, that the staff take an "anything for a quiet life policy" So drugs, booze and phones become quite normal and of course corruption is rife in all forms of public service in the UK nowadays... £130 reams of photo copier paper and Health Authorities buying pace makers for £750 over the odds
IMO Nobody is fooled be the excuses of "the powers that be" statements that this just inefficiency... We all know theft when we see it >:-o
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I dont think it is exceptional. There have been other instances but even so, one such instance is one too many. Someone has suggested the Prison Officiers regularly turned a blind eye to alcohol being brought into the prison. One report I read said there had been a problem with it being 'smuggled' into the prison. That's totally different to turning a blind eye to it.
The news the other night had locals who lived in the vicinity who had 'regularly seen cars pull up and drop beer off to inmates at the entrance'- if the locals know about it and the guards don't I would be highly surprised!
Greg
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The news the other night had locals who lived in the vicinity who had 'regularly seen cars pull up and drop beer off to inmates at the entrance'- if the locals know about it and the guards don't I would be highly surprised!
Greg
Precisely.
That probably explains why the Press uncover criminals before the police can be bothered to investigate. Start point: the Palace of Westminster. %)
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I am an ex seaman and I think that people who do these sort of things should not be given the title Moron which indicates a certain mindlessness but doze deserves the title Vandal which indicates a viscous low life who likes to distroy other peoples property and as such, If they are apprehend should not be allowed liberty until the full value + 100% of the boat and or equipment + Full Value + 100% of the time and cost to all people involved in the replacement of the boat and or equipment, and also if the loss of this boat and or lifesaving gear has caused injury or loss of life, they should be held completely and absolutely responsibly ie: loss of life = a Murder charge and the appropriate jail sentence with out appeal .... Much as I would like to see these sort of people keelhauled I think that they should pay completely (In Cash)for the crime as well as be punished for it ... Any and all goods and or property's should be conferscat ed and if that didn't cover the cost and enforced labour should be applied.
Make the punishment fit the crime ---But first make them Pay in cash
Freebooter
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Sorry Captain Jimmy >>:-(....keel hauling is not an appropriate consideration as our society would then place these MORON's in hospital ....then we would pay the cost of medication+bedcare+medical supervision to heal the wounds from the original barnacled gouges to their bodies :-))
It is disappointing... >:-o but we in our western society [irrespective of location] do not have an acceptable method or process to deal with MORONS......... {:-{ Derek
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Sorry Captain Jimmy >>:-(....keel hauling is not an appropriate consideration as our society would then place these MORON's in hospital ....then we would pay the cost of medication+bedcare+medical supervision...
Only if they survived :-X
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the law in this country seems to be on the side of the villan if us law abiding members attempt to prevent a mindless yob damaging something its us that are likly to be had up in court ! during last summer while out with my partner we spotted three yobs on board sombodys fishing vessel , theyd thrown part of the fishing equipment into the sea and were attempting to un tie the vessel , other people around were just watching them . instead of watchingi phoned the local police who responded within a couple of minuets , they managed to stop the yobs from stealing the boat , but all the police did was give them a verbal warning , which to my mind isnt enough of a deterent ?
You were saying ???
A man who threw a snowball at a police officer faces a second court appearance next week after being charged with common assault.
Dean Smith had been playing with his family when he took aim at the officer. Three days later police arrived at his house, handcuffed him and charged him with common assault. He appeared before magistrates in Derby before Christmas and his case was adjourned until 12 January.
Case of "priorities if you ask me !
Bill {-)
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Only if they survived :-X
I informed a local youth the other day that is he didn't stop throwing stones at my work place (I am a caretaker) I would insert a red hot poker up his rear, he laughed until I mentioned it would be cold end first so he would burn his fingers when he pulled it out, then he went pale and said I wasn't very nice and ran away. funny what some people see as a more frightening threat {-)