Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: bat44 on April 25, 2011, 10:10:03 pm
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if i painted my boat black would i see it at night
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The keys to the medicine cabinet are in the third drawer on the right :P :P :P
The question has to be asked.................
1. Why do you want to paint your boat black?????
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2. Why do you want to sail it at night???
Carl
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You will see it if you turn the lights on in the room where you have the boat. :}
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Yes if you used your echolocator %% %% %%
Or Luminous Black {-) {-)
Ned
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Is it light Black or dark Black ?.
Len.
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Could be pitch black!
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if i painted my boat black would i see it at night
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When sailing my boat at night I can see the silhouette.
The surface of the water will probably appear darker than the background landscape. As long as you can have the boat between you and the landscape/background, you will see it. Easier with a sail boat.
If there are lights in the background you will get reflection on the water surface, and you will see the boats silhouette against this as well.
There are not many places left in the world where it is truly dark anymore.
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Methinks the obvious answers are, %) %)
Painted black means you are able to carry out clandestine sailing manoeuvres at night and be unobserved O0 O0 {-) {-) %% %%
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At the beginning of WW1, destroyers were painted black for night time operations. It was soon found that while a black ship could be seen without too much trouble, various shades of grey were harder to see at night.
In total darkness, anything except luminous paint will be invisible. In faint light, anything that is not the same shade as its surroundings will be visible, even if its only the wash you can see. Nav lights are good
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so what is the best shade of black to use for night time sailling and still be scale
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Undoubtedly "Henry Ford" black bat44. O0
Back in the early 1930's this was the most accepted shade of black, and was responsible for the cessation of the red flag waving 'outrider' in front of the motor car. Streetlighting was also in its infancy and HF's black could still be easily discerned in the murky gloom. So that would be my recommendation, Henry Ford black with a hint of weathering. %)
As for scale, I would suggest that you build 'in between scales' because if you build to an instantly recognisable scale the more proficient of the modelling fraternity will spot any ambiguities instantly and will no doubt criticise mercilessly. <*< .................
........... Well, you started it ............. :o {-)
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thats wy i'm asking
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"Enery Black" is an urban myth, they used whatever colo(u)r paint was available.
Regards Ian.
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I would suggest lightening black a bit. I have just painted the bottom of a Type VII U-Boat blackboard Black, with the intention of lightening it with Humbrol Tank Grey via an Airbrush. If this is for your RIB I would use a very Dark Grey on the 'inner tube' and a Satin or Matt Black on the 'Fibreglass' parts of the model. Dont darken the black, if you do, light itself will be unable to escape, and you, the model, the local lake and all the members will be sucked into a tiny Singularity..........."POP" :o
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hey bro just for making me read this <*< <*< <*<
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yes ok but will i see it at night, all is it better to paint it another colour for night time sailing if so what would be the best colour and still be scale
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This all depends on the original colour, if it was orange then I would suggest using paint with an orange tint, likewise with blue and green, the same rule applies. As far as visibility at night, may I suggest ex-soviet miitary night vision goggles from "imnotapervertorstalker.co.ru". They are very discreet....aparently.
Or stick a miners helmet on your head, you can hold it on with nails %%
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....................... Or stick a miners helmet on your head, you can hold it on with nails %%
I have four in number 6" nails going spare ........................
Could be a final solution to this dilemma ........................... :-)) %) :embarrassed: :D O0 {-) %%
Yarpie (complete with broken nose).
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do i take it your rib will represent one of the mod types regularly seen around our waters ? they appear to be of a satin or matt finish , with a much smaller lighting hoop over the outboards than the rnli versions . will it make much difference what colour you paint it , when the navigation lights are working you will be able to work out its position !
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In low light levels, as opposed to total darkness, a light colour will be more concealing. That's why many escort ships on the North Atlantic were predominantly white and the Germnas painted their night fighters a very pale grey
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Mr Bat have you never noticed when driving at dusk you get the odd plonker who does not know where their lightswitches are
and how hard it is to see their cars when they are grey or silver but a black car shows out far better against the background
Geoff
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Bat Car Black methinks
Ned
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Should one paint their Batboat black? I personally know the Caped Crusader and when I asked, he enquired "Would you be running it at 'Knight'?"
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I had an all black GSD a little while ago...gone now...Impossible to see him in the dark...which gave a few folk a nasty shock {-)
so no...don't paint your boat black {-)
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Yes
When sailing my boat at night I can see the silhouette.
The surface of the water will probably appear darker than the background landscape. As long as you can have the boat between you and the landscape/background, you will see it. Easier with a sail boat.
If there are lights in the background you will get reflection on the water surface, and you will see the boats silhouette against this as well.
There are not many places left in the world where it is truly dark anymore.
There are ..if you are Blind,
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yo bro you need a beating with a white stick me thinks <*< <*< <*< <*< <*<
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i was told some time ago that we painted some of are mtb's pink during the second world war for night work, is this right if so what shade of pink
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Two tones of Mountbatten Pink in the Med, wasn't very successful. Are you considering this colour for your MTB? It would match your eyes :}
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Bat44 (did your battery's run dead or ''somin''?) .... I swear sometimes I have seen it all then another bit of stupidity pops up, if you paint a boat black it becomes really hard to see at night,(why the military like to use dark colours!) its bad enough that smaller models at distance can be very hard to see even in day light!
Seriously though if you had a brain you be dangerous! I could have thought the forum was for serious questions!
What ever happened to common sense? <*< <*<
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[quote author=Roadrunner link=topic=30001.msg297290#msg297290 date=130417244
Seriously though if you had a brain you be dangerous! I could have thought the forum was for serious questions!
What ever happened to common sense? <*< <*<
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He has a brain, and he is dangerous! (particularily when you need a splinter removed). Seriously, this is Model Boat MAYHEM and not Model Boat Po-Faced? As far as serious questions...currently doing the rounds are posts relating to the percieved intelligence of mice (they do not have a seat on the UN, so stupid would seem to be the answer to that), royal wedding (nice Aston Martin, good work ethics), whats your car (Mondeo, different coloured door to the rest of the car, wont bother photographing it or waxing lyrical about it, i'll be glad to see the back of it).This post is a bit of fun with a bit of useful info thrown in, mostly from other people however ok2
There are excellent and informed posts most every day, and there are fun posts most every day, dont let them upset you.."Calm down dear"
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well said unbuilt , i dont know what all the fuss is about , many people operating at the lake cant see a model painted white four feet from the edge , a black painted projectile wont be much different ! !
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well said unbuilt , i dont know what all the fuss is about , many people operating at the lake cant see a model painted white four feet from the edge , a black painted projectile wont be much different ! !
Your point being .................... ??
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Glad I was a Guzz man
Ned
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I love a good technical discussion, so let us try and bring some science into this topic.
Now, given that in the film "The Matrix", it was proven that bullets coloured light grey were extremely SLOW (I saw them!) and further, that I once had a boat coloured white which did not go AT ALL (whilst a dark grey battleship sailed joyously round it), we can use a simple arithmetric progression for monochrome objects -
WHITE - complete inertia
LIGHT GREY - very slow
DARK GREY - faster
(by extrapolation) BLACK - infinite speed
Thus you can travel completely round the pond instantaneously with a black boat! Obviously, you would have to verbally inform onlookers that the feat had occurred, otherwise they would wonder why you hadn't painted it white!!
It is all to do with the fact that a black colour is not really black, it is an absence of reflected light when the speed of light is achieved. So it may be possible to increase the speed of a boat by PRETENDING it is black, or even wearing very dark sunglasses (as demonstrated by sports car owners).
Anyone done any experiments in this field??
Danny
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Just spoted this thread.
First a story - SIGNAL who make naval radars in Holland say they can spot the American stelth aircraft as a "clean hole" flying though the sky. The aircraft masks the background refections.
In a similar way a true black ship will mask any water surface light scatter no mater how little. So yes you will see a black shaddow but no detail.
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hi roadrunner if i cannot ask this question what question would you like me to ask i know what is the meaning of life , dose the light in the fridge go of when you close the door, is the moon made of cheese, how dose a bee fly, what came first the eeg or the chicken. Stupid yes but what if i won't to know these things
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if youd like a black model , paint it black , should there be a problem seeing it out on the lake then you may need to repaint it something more visable !
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if i cover my boat in mirrors will i be able to see it in the middle of the lake in the daytime ????? ok2
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if i cover my boat in mirrors will i be able to see it in the middle of the lake in the daytime ????? ok2
Not if the mirrors were formerly owned by celebrities, luvvies, shirt-lifters or body builders.
How do I know??
Because all of the mirrors would be covered in love bites!! {-) %% O0 ;D
Yarpie.
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Why not fit navigation lights, sorted, I did with a 1/8th I.C. car for my son, two yellow LED's on the front and a big red 'un at the back, looked like an F1 racer in the dark :-))
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I am surprised the PC police or moderators have not censored this racist thread %) %)
'Black' surely you must mean not white :kiss: :kiss: :police: :police:
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" Black " you can say at the moment.
Len.
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hi roadrunner if i cannot ask this question what question would you like me to ask i know what is the meaning of life , dose the light in the fridge go of when you close the door, is the moon made of cheese, how dose a bee fly, what came first the eeg or the chicken. Stupid yes but what if i won't to know these things
what is the meaning of life = death cos thats what happends to all of us.. what a pointless existence.
dose the light in the fridge go off when you close the door= err yes, you see you can test that theory too, there's a button, or push switch that is activated by the closing of the door.. push it with your finger and watch the light go off...
is the moon made of cheese = apparently man has been to the moon on more then one occasion and they brought back rock.. so no.. unless you wish to have some moon rock on toast and find out..
how dose a bee fly = with wings obviously....
what came first the eeg or the chicken = bacteria officially..
My previous statement still stands what happened to common sense?
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Hey Roadrunner - that's REALLY cheered me up no end {-)
You must have some great discussions at West Country parties (party = a gathering of people enjoying themselves).
Cheers
Danny
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"Enery Black" is an urban myth, they used whatever colo(u)r paint was available.
Regards Ian.
technically black is not a colour.........debate please!
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what is the meaning of life = death cos thats what happends to all of us.. what a pointless existence.
dose the light in the fridge go off when you close the door= err yes, you see you can test that theory too, there's a button, or push switch that is activated by the closing of the door.. push it with your finger and watch the light go off...
is the moon made of cheese = apparently man has been to the moon on more then one occasion and they brought back rock.. so no.. unless you wish to have some moon rock on toast and find out..
how dose a bee fly = with wings obviously....
what came first the eeg or the chicken = bacteria officially..
My previous statement still stands what happened to common sense?
the common sense would be after reading all the post on this fred is to realise that this a light hearted discussion with a bit of "xxxxx" take :-) ok2 ;) :-)) :} :D O0 {-) %%
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My previous statement still stands what happened to common sense?
Simply put it is no longer common O0 O0 O0
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Ha - who wants "common sense" - I'd rather have "uncommon sense" (to go with my uncommon good looks) :P
Cheers
Danny
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Obviously, you would have to verbally inform onlookers that the feat had occurred, otherwise they would wonder why you hadn't painted it white!!
come on danny...there wouldn't be any onlookers at night, they'd all be in the pub getting bladdered or asleep, so it don't matter what colour he paints it..........try a multi colour mixmatch..to blend in with Aurora Borealis.........then it would be totally camoflaged against any aspect you might find, unless you were bladdered yourself bat44....then you'd see two boats for the price of one, {-) {-) {-) %% %% %% %% %%
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hi roadrunner who has the most commean seance the person who started this fred or the one who keeps reading it and replying to it. :-) :-) %% %% %% :D :D :embarrassed: :embarrassed: :} :} :}
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What I really want to know is what happened to a Dictionary?
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Could use spile chink but don't know how to spule it.
Regards Ian.
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now now, lads................i've just been told off on another thread for being elitist and bullying..............so come on lads........knoe tackeink tha mykkee aboot dwizleksia. ko........... itz nut niece.. i suffer from it myself, and it's a bummer honastly.
neil
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now now, lads................i've just been told off on another thread for being elitist and bullying..............so come on lads........knoe tackeink tha mykkee aboot dwizleksia. ko........... itz nut niece.. i suffer from it myself, and it's a bummer honastly.
neil
Here by any chance??
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=30083.0
If the cap fits ................................................... %)
Yarpie.
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you forgot to include "post 22" yarpie O0 O0 O0 O0
we can't all be perfect matey, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
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you forgot to include "post 22" yarpie O0 O0 O0 O0
we can't all be perfect matey, {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)
I am relying on people reading the WHOLE text, that way they can glean the nuance of the thread and draw their own conclusions.
But, to elaborate, I mentioned nobody by name, it was just a generalisation.
If you feel that you have been singled out in POST 22, then surely your conscience (where applicable) must be pricking you.
With the greatest of respect,
Yarpie.
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my conscience has not pricked me one iota, yarpie.
it has no need to, %) %) %)
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my conscience has not pricked me one iota, yarpie.
it has no need to, %) %) %)
....and that, my friend, does not surprise me in the least.
Your last statement could very well be your truncated Curriculum Vitae and proves my point admirably.
With the greatest of respect,
Yarpie.
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at my age any form of Curriculum Vitae is a long distant anacronym of the past.....and one which i shall need no longer.....never mind a "truncated" one.
as for your point.i actually hadn't realised you'd made one.....must have missed it in all this confusion regarding respect and CV's
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Nice to do business with you.
I've said my piece, and made my point.
Next subject ............. ?
With the greatest of respect,
Yarpie.
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i'd have greater respect for you yarpie if you sent ua a donation to the loch ness sail, touche'
you know it makes sense,
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can i just say this started as a laugh so if you can not take a joke do no keep reading or replying to the post as it only is meant as a bit of fun. so now say sorry
bat44
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yes, i do apologise to you batt44 for my part in this debacle'........sadly sometimes i just can't help fishing.....and watching others rise to the bait......i'll stop immediately.
by the way......i painted my rib satin black......as the first of the d class lifeboats were coloured natural black rubber......looked well in that colour.a bit different from the normal lb orange.
neil.
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I'm sure many will know by now I never mince my words especially on the forum, I'm like this off the forum too! I'll tell you how it is, to the point and the truth! Remember ask a silly question expect to get a silly answer, just don't expect an appoligy, if you don't like that answer...
Joke or not replying with 'particular' comments is not likely to get you a good response especially with me <*< >>:-(
Enough said, wasted enough time with this thread.... :-))
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Excellent, cleared the board of those with no sense of humour. Now they have gone, shall we talk about them??
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If I paint my model with Clear Gloss Varnish will I be able to see straight through it?
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If I paint my model with Clear Gloss Varnish will I be able to see straight through it?
Only for a short time u-b-n, until it starts yellowing. %) O0
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In that case, I would sail on the Yellow Sea!
Honestly, how long can this go on for? I am waiting for paint to dry, so about 30minutes in the sun..
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.................. I am waiting for paint to dry, so about 30minutes in the sun..
And what colour, pray tell me sir, is the paint that you are waiting to dry?? Or is it best left undisclosed for fear of uber-technical responses?
Wouldn't it be much easier if we all lived in a monochromatic world. :D %%
Stick to grey like wot I does. ok2
Yarpie.
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I am sorry to say, the paint I am waiting upon, for the drying of, is.....Satin Black Floor Paint :-)
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I am sorry to say, the paint I am waiting upon, for the drying of, is.....Satin Black Floor Paint :-)
Bat44 could be interested in that ................ he could also start another thread about it ..................... %) O0 :embarrassed:
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Thought Bat wanted matt black boat paint? {:-{
Regards Ian
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Better not sail it on the black sea {-) {-)
Ned (who has never been to Netley :-)) :-)))
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I wqould just like it noted that International Paints Satin Black Tile Paint and my airbrush are not getting on. My advice, AVOID BLACK!!!
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It's your own fault if you satin black paint
Ned
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International Paints Satin Black Tile Paint and my airbrush are not getting on
Didn't use a badger did you?
Ferrets are better :-))
Regards Ian.
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Didn't use a badger did you?
Ferrets are better :-))
Regards Ian.
Where would you stick the handle?
I think I used the wrong thinners and too small a compressor, should have brushed it on with a Badger ok2
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you dont need telling where to stick the handle ? normally whee the sun wont shine is a good starting place !
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you dont need telling where to stick the handle ? normally whee the sun wont shine is a good starting place !
But I thought he said he was waiting for the sun to shine to floor his paint now I am confuzeeded %% %%
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You don't need a handle to paint with a ferret, they are self-attaching! (Don't wear a glove - you big sissy).
They are best used with RED paint as the blood won't discolour it.
If you are using ferrets in low brightness and out of direct sunlight, an AAA battery with a high brightness LED attached can be inserted into any suitable orifice (a resistor is not required as the ferret does that). This, not only aids the drying process, but also enhances the self-attachment properties.
Badgers are useless for detail work and should only be used to paint fences - after which they usually give up their life of crime! (No, NOT the badgers...)
Cheers
Danny
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Danny ................ :} {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) :-)) O0
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What has Scout Cars got to do with a guy stuck in a corner waiting fur the floor paint to dry???? {-) {-)
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Wullie
Here's a picture of me on a ferret hunting expedition! You can just see the wheel of my sports car to the right.
Of course, I may have been younger then - or was it Red Barrel?
Danny (rapidly losing the plot .... )
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