Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: spooksgone on July 01, 2014, 04:09:43 pm
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Hi all. I started this project at the end of January. This is going to be a model of HMS Woodcock at 1/48th scale. HMS Woodcock was a sister shp to HMS Starling, and I have been told, on very good authority, that the two ships were fitted out to the same specifications. So this build is based on the top quality Fleescale hull, with most of the fiitings coming from Barry at Sirmar. So far it has all of the main gun turrets rotating, via the action electronics servomorphs. A working and rotating search light, two sounds, a fog horn and steam whistle, with a six watt amplifer, again from action electronics, a working smoke unit [home made] working navigation lights, as well as lights within the super structure. All of the above functions have been tested and have perfomed witth out any problems. This is going to be a long build, mostly because of the cost, but I will get the fittings from Sirmar as and when I can. A special thanks to Dave Milbourn for the help with the electrics, and to Alan Burgess for the help with the wireless set. Thanks guys.
Phil
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Looks like a neat job there, Phil. You might think about a sound tube around the speaker cone to direct more of the sound up and out of the hull.
Dave M
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Thanks Dave. I did try to post another two pictures, but they are still trying to up load. I will try again.
Phil
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Try again
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Working now
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Big model.
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Make smoke and head for Plymouth!
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Hi all. The only thing that is worring me about this build is the hand rails. I will look at the JR Haynes ones when I can. If any one out there can assist with this I would be realy grateful.
Thanks
Phil
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Hi Phil
I am watching your build with real interest.
With regard to railings; have you thought of ordering them from James Lane (Display Models) who is based at 30 Broadway, Blyth, Northumberland NE24 2PP telephone: 01670 352051.
I do know he manufactures and sells 1:48 scale stanchions which he makes from brass and they are very, very good. The downside of this though is he doesnt have a website, but he does deal via telephone or letter. Extract from his leaflet which I have and is quite old now - is below.
I am unsure whether you are aware of this but John Haynes has actually now closed his on-line shop (which to me is really sad) - I used to like dealing directly with John and his wife too. He does supply his fittings to Wesbourne Models so the majority of these are still available via them at their website or shop.
aye
John
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Hi all, I am still here, just been a bit busy a work these days. Had a few days off, so decided to start to add some detail to the model. I know this section still has to have a great deal more done to it, but I thought I would post this pic, as it is work in progress. I tried the James Lane stanchions as Blue bird suggested, and with a bit of soldering and gluing I think they will be fine. Thanks bluebird.
Cheers all
Phil
Devon
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oopps forgot the pic.
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hi there Phil
Your model is coming along good, I cant wait to see the next stage of your build. I am glad you got the James L railings - I myself find them the best for a working model. I have just tried out some photo etching from Scale Warship for the helicopter netting and also I have some of their rail stanchions and they are super-super fine - and I feel may be more suited to a static glass cased model.
Keep up the good build.
Aye
John
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Beautiful work Phil, she looks superb, clean and tidy build. Excellent in all aspects, keep at it and in no time she will having her launch!
Si:)
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Hi Phil found your build, looking good will be following posting . Keep pics coming as work progresses John
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I bought scale link stancions for a Novgorod model I built years back and they are definitly only suitable for display models as they are too thin to take any sort of knock or snag. After a few years of storage and some light damage most were bent and/or broken. The James L ones look well designed and the price is worth it if you do not have to replace them every few years due to every day wear and tear.
She is looking good Phil, the radar looks impressive
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Hi all. I am still here! I have been a bit inspired lately by radiojoes build of HMS Coventry. So today I hauled myself in to the garage to do some more on this project. I primed the hull with Halfords acrylic primer, and put all of the bibs and bobs on that I have made [slowly] over the winter months. I am now waiting for the main deck fittings to come from Barry at Sirmar. A bit concerned about these, as he said he will cast them, then let me know when they are ready, so as I can post him a cheque. Is this the way he normally operates? Nothing on this model has been permanently glued down yet, not until ballasting trials in the paddling pool, too cold out there at the moment!
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Sorry about the quality of the photos :(( they look ok on my phone.
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Hi Phil
If Coventry has inspired you to restart your build that's great, because I can see already it's going to be a fine build and with all the "bells and whistles" you've fitted you must finish her, I waited some months for Sirmar fittings, but I did order them well in advance, knowing how Barry dose them, I did get them eventually and only paid when they were ready, I suggest phoning him evenings or weekends rather than emails, but he often works away from home so keep trying, I sadly won't be getting any more from Sirmar way to much hassle for me, but good luck Phil, I'll watch with interest :-)) and I'll be cracking the whip if you start to lag. {-) {-) %%
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Thanks for that Joe. What a swell bunch of guy's, and doll's here on mayhem. I will get a move on with this now, thinking about it I have to, its cost me about a grand so far, if I don't finish it, her indoors will cut off my only other pleasure in life :-))
Cheers Joe.
Phil
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What, beer drinking? {:-{
Your ship is coming along a treat Phil.
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Getting a bit quiet here Phil, is it time to get the whip out. %% {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Thanks Joe. The missus said I might like that! Been doing some detail work on her, the ship, not the missus that is. I took her out doors to get some better photos, placed her on top of the wheelie bin, went in doors to get my camera, and then heard a loud crashing sound. A gust of wind caught the garage door which in turn knocked the ship off of the bin and on too the ground. A fair bit of damage was done to the hull and running gear, all fixed back up now though. I will try to get some pics on here by the end of next week. Thanks. Phil
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Sorry to hear that Phil, I can well imagine how that felt, but well done for doing repairs so quick, next time put the boat in the car and sit the missus on the wheelie bin, but don't tell her I said so. %% {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Looks absolutely brilliant, wished my father was around to see her, he used to tell me of some good stories about her. Are you going to Wicksteed this year with her, would really like to see her on the water.
David.
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Thanks for that dodes. I have been making lots of the fiddly bits for her lately. I am not one to blow my own trumpet, but the last couple of pictures do not really do it justice. I will post some more after our short break away. I often tell people the story you told me about the welders who where working on HMS Woodpecker, adjacent to the ships magazine!!! Nice to know radiojoe has a local model shop, I cant even find any liquid poly in the whole of Exeter :(( Thanks again. Phil
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No wonder it's taking so long Phil, your too busy eating bacon sandwiches, %% %% {-) {-) {-) {-)
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Started to add the detail to the mast today. Made the crows nest, added as much as I could to it today, all out of brass. where does seven hours go? all the mast needs now is for me make the wind speed and direction transmitter, uumm, going to need the inter webby thing for that one, unless any one happens to have one laying around that is :-) Naff pictures again, sorry. I will take some out side tomorrow. Cheers all. Phil.
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Looking good Phil, no sign of any damage you repaired her well, as you say the hours fly by. %% %%
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I'm still at it, slowly but surely. I decided to cancel the fittings from Sirmar. I needed four packs that would take 6 months each, I could wait that long, but I know radio Joe would come down here and beat with a big stick if I didn't get me finger out. I have got the ships boats from Quaycraft, pure quality products from them. I had a chat with Adrian at Battle Crafts, and he very kindly made me four sets of the twin 20mm orelikens in 1/48th scale, what a nice man. Thanks again Adrian. I have made the ammunition lockers from scratch, all out of plasticard, only twelve of them! I think that I can cope with the rest of the fittings now, it is just going to take a while. I still need a 4" ha gun, I have tried on here on the wants and swops section but no luck yet :(( I have started to scratch build one, but that is not quiet going to plan. This [hopefully] should be finished in about twelve months. Cheers all.
Phil
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Hi Phil, I thought I was going to have to come down to Devon with the aforesaid big stick, %% {-) {-) but I can see now you have been busy, very clean and tidy build there Phil keep at it mate, :-))
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Thanks for that Joe, very kind of you. I still have a couple of switches spare on the TX, I am going to use one to get the 272 radar rotating, going to be a bit fiddly, but worth it I think. The gun director on the bridge now traverse's with the two forward guns. Right, back to the garage to clear up the mess I have made. Cheers all.
Phil
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Its looking good
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Amen to that! The twin gun mount looks brilliant, and your lockers look very detailed.
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Just about all parts made now. I dug the trusty Badger 200 out, and started to paint the hull over the last few days. Just the boot topping to add, plus tidying a bit of over spray. Getting there now!
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She's coming to life now Phil, nice cammo you can see how that would work at sea keep going mate your getting there. :-))
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IL have to watch my painting now. Looking good Phil more pictures please.
Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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IL have to watch my painting now. Looking good Phil more pictures please.
Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Stunning work, ditto from me. :-))
Which paint brand are you using? It looks very good quality.
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Having read up about her, I am impressed at her size and wherewithal. She is all but a destroyer.
What an interesting build,I look forward to seeing her completed :-))
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Thanks for the kind words guy's. I keep telling myself not to take on any thing this big again. So why do I keep going over to the scale shipyard web site, looking at 1/48th scale fletcher class destroyers? Stan, a couple of more pictures for you. I have sprayed the deck with a semtex coloured paint, that came out a bit shiny, so I will blow some matt varnish over it next. Started painting the super structure, a lot of masking up and fiddling around there, but worth it. I have started to solder the James Lane stanchions together, this will make them nice and strong, the hand rails on models all ways seem to get damaged first. Any way, I wont rattle on to much. Thanks again. PHIL
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Sorry Stan. I have some much better pictures, but cant seem to post them, I will try to re size them now.
Phil
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Try again.
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Soon be time to get the paint brushes out, to start picking out some of the detail.
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The front bit all done.
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Back bit nearly done
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Out side in the warm Devon sunshine
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Ships boats to paint. Davits to fit. Rigging to do. Supports for the orliken platforms. Vertical depth charge racks to make, finish of the hand rails, and that should be about it :-)) oh, best see if it floats as well!
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All looking rather good, very tidy paint work, but "front bit and back bit" well known nautical terms indeed, Phil %% %% {-)
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Yes, she looks lovely from round bit to pointy bit Phil :-)) The AA armament looks impressive with those twin Oerlikons at the round end.
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spook....would they have dropped the aft Davits down prior to firing/hostilities?.................... Derek
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Hi Derek. I honestly do not know very much about the davits. I am just going by the drawings that were supplied with the hull, and a few pictures that I have of her. This is my second attempt at a model such as this, and I am still learning as I go. I still have some home work to do, like, working out if I need pulleys on the rigging, I would assume so, but not sure what type or where they go, turnbuckles, again, what type and how to make them. How was the rigging secured to the deck, I have no idea yet. So still learning. This has been going on for some time now, I cant wait to get it finished, and on the water. Thanks for the feed back guy's. Off now to do a bit on the back bit!
Kind regards to you all.
Phil
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spook.......just thinking more...it's not just the davits, but also the depth charge can throwers.....
From this it could have been well probable that the twin Oerlikon mountings were fitted with mechanical buffer stops that restricted or limited their train arc to exclude each of the thrower arms & davits etc
If this were the case, maybe best to show them trained in the appropriate arcs of fire
Keep up the posts & great images :-))......................... Derek
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Hi Dereck. I see your point now :-)) It wouldn't do to go blasting your own ship apart now would it! Thank you for noticing that. I will try to reposition them, might be a bit difficult though, they are stuck down with cyno. Thank you once again.
Phil
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The training arc would have probably covered the stern.
Davits would be dropped in action.
There would be mechanical stops on the elevation
to stop the weapon depressing enough to keep
depth charge throwers and crew safe.
Ned
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Thanks for your input here Ned :-))........ to help spook ....
[naturally my direct naval weapons work experience is far later than the 1949? vessel] [the year of my birth ;)]
I do take on board that the can thrower davits could have been dropped & depression stops fitted to Oerlikon mountings the ensure no line of sight conflict existed etc.....
This naturally makes sense to counter attacking aircraft approaching from the stern at low elevation....... O0
Derek
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Hi all. I was asked if I would show my model in our local library as a part of an active life an mind campaign run, by Devon libraries. I had about twelve or thirteen people attend, which was more than I was expecting as it was held on a Tuesday afternoon. Most were quite surprised with the amount of working features she has. All though not finished yet [sorry radio Joe] she still looks pretty good so far. I now have every thing I need to complete her, and should be done within the next few weeks.
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One Gentleman who came along served on HMS Starling as a cadet, I had a great time chatting to him. Taking her back in three weeks time, there will certainly be some changes done on her by then.
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Hi Phil
You should be rightly pleased with her, she looks right at home on display, :-)) :-)) Now what January did you actually mean. %% %% {-) {-) {-)
ATB Joe.
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Stunning model and lovely paint job you've done there. On my bucket list as well these Black Swan sloops.....
Keep sending pics.
E
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The reason I closed my on-line shop was that it took over my business which is building models for Clients . HOWEVER if you e-mail me with your wants, I [ or Hilary ] , will respond with costs and postage. All my fitting are still shown on my site so you can find the JRH numbers. John
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Fantastic model, shame my father is no longer alive to see it, he was on her from new to about 1947, Atlantic, Russia and the Far East she certainly got about and sunk a U boat.
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Back down too the library again today, she is coming along now.
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It amazes some people how such models are made, and some cannot believe that models can be built literally from raw materials.
Lovely model :-))
As for weapons stops etc,, you can see frames running around weapons stations often on MTBs that control the limit of movement. Some are quite complex.
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A better pic
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Nearly there now. Not bad eh Joe, only a few years %% She is off to Exmouth sailing club this evening, as part of a back drop for a chap who is telling his tory of his world war two exploits in the Royal Navy. Sounds like a good excuse to have a pint or two.
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Hello Phil, she does look stunning mate, considering the action she's seen remember the battle of the "garage door" :(( very nice paint job, I'm not going to say anything about how long it's taken, I've just noticed Brocklesby has taken 18 months so far and still a lot to do, but it's all about enjoying the build, she's a credit to you Phil. :-)) .
Joe
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Maiden voyage down at Exeter and district model boat club on Sunday, I was a bit nervous about this, as not sure what would happen. Just a couple of minor issues to sort, and a bit more ballast in the front bit :-) It is hard to believe that this model is 6 feet and four inches in length. Looking forward to sailing in the coming summer months.
ps. Happy Birthday Bluebird :-)
pps. I cant attach the picture as it is to large, I will pop over to the mayhem face book page and post there.
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Try this one.
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Beautifully done! I like your camo scheme. After the Flower's and Dido's Starling's were my favorite small "across the pond" class.
Many USN destroyers and escorts mounted Dc handling davits very similar to those on your build. While they could be dismounted, I fear it would put the crews at a significant disadvantage should an undersea attack develop. I will ask the US Destroyer Escort Museum for info. The museum owns and maintains the USS Slater, a Buckley Class DE in original WW@ condition. She mounts davits such as you have.
I would love to see some photos of your build underway.
Again, Bravo Zulu, well done.
Jonathan
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I received a reply from the USS Slater, which I copy here. I would think it would apply to most ships that carried K guns and reloads mounted on pedestals.
Good morning Johnathan,
Thank you so much for the kind words. It's an interesting question, and though the davits are removable, I would tend to doubt it.
In an anti sub action, the K guns would have been necessary right up until a damaged U-boat surfaced and gun fire commenced, so there would have not been time to remove the davits. In an antiaircraft action, the guns would have fired over the davits.
On SLATER, there is no provision for stowing the davits when they are not mounted.
Hope this helps.
Tim Rizzuto
Executive Director
USS SLATER/Destroyer Escort Historical Museum
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Hi I have just started to build a Black Swan Sloop using the same hull, mine will be HMSWren U28 my Grandfathers ship. I have not found many photos of Wren and wondered where you found out about the camouflage paint scheme that you have used? Since I am struggling to find info and may have to use modellers licence but would rather get it right. I am looking for 1943 Bay of Biscay campaign colours. What is the colour scheme you have used? Any help will be greatly received
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Topic renamed and moved here... :-)
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Beautiful model. I love the paint colors. She looks spectacular on the water. Throw in a few Flowers and you have an entire convoy escort!
To add fodder to the fire, on USN Oerlikons, there were internal stops that could be adjusted, thereby adjusting the firing arcs of the guns. This most clearly is demonstrated on mid to late war USN PT boats that carried numerous Oerlikons, especially on the fore deck.
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Interesting, it looks like she has the same hull as the River-class frigates!
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Hi the hull is similar, it’s 16 feet shorter and both were designed for anti submarine work, from Wikipedia The River-class ships were designed by naval engineer [/color]William Reed (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=William_Reed_(engineer)&action=edit&redlink=1)[/size][/color], of [/color]Smith's Dock Company (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith%27s_Dock_Company)[/size][/color] of South Bank-on-Tees, to have the endurance and anti-submarine capabilities of the [/color]Black Swan-class (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Swan-class_sloop)[/size][/color] [/color]sloops (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloop-of-war)[/size][/color], while being quick and cheap to build in civil dockyards using the machinery (e.g. reciprocating steam engines instead of turbines) and construction techniques pioneered in the building of the [/color]Flower-class (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower-class_corvette)[/size][/color] [/color]corvettes (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvette)[/size][/color]. Its purpose was to improve on the convoy escort classes in service with the [/color]Royal Navy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy)[/size][/color] at the time, including the Flower class.