Model Boat Mayhem
Mess Deck: General Section => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: tonywolf on May 27, 2015, 08:23:54 am
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I, am sort of new to this amazing world of model boat building and have in a short time become totally addicted, where I live in Victoria Australia, there no people that I have so far found to ask technical questions, or even learn from others experience. I am currently attempting to plank a plywood deck for a 1200mm long J class with approx 6mm X 2mm Hoop pine boards and am wondering whether Epoxy is the best method of adhering to a ply sub deck. I have tried this on a Thames barge using cedar planks and pins to hold the plank in position whilst the epoxy cures, this seems to work all right but the pin holes remain in evidence after removal. Does anyone have some experience in this area?
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found this club
http://www.spmbc.org.au/
or this http://taskforce72.org/victoria.htm
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http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-a-Plank-on-Frame-Model-Ship/
for an overview
http://www.modelshipmaster.com/about/plankonframe.htm
for even more detail
for beginners to building wooden hulled boats
http://www.sfmbc.net/Beginners_Boat_Building_Part1_R1.pdf
and a video of POF
http://www.sfmbc.net/Beginners_Boat_Building_Part1_R1.pdf
that should give you some reading, there are several methods and glues to use, all of which are personal preference. Remember any glue used must be waterproof. Other will be along to give more tips, but the best thing is to read as much as possible, listen to what people say and if possible, find someone in your area who could possibly show you. Plank on Frame is not easy and could easily send you round the bend. Patience is a virtue here!! little and often so to speak.......all the best! and post some pics when you start!
Pete
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Cedar is an 'oily' wood so expect your planks to come free over time unless you prepped the planks first. They need wiping down with a degreaser first. Something like acetone will do the trick, this removes the surface oil and penetrates the grain to bring it out. Then stick them down with a waterproof wood glue. By the time oil in the grain gets to the surface your glue will have set and you will have a good bond. You can use epoxy but it is a bit overboard for planking.
The trick is not to try and do too many at once.
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Welcome Tony....there are a few model boating clubs in Victoria.......Surry Park being one of the larger
With respect to gluing cedar or hoop pine, Polyurathane glue is totally water proof when cured....so yes you do have the issue of securing the planks during the drying stage....however consider a full scale J Class yacht or a Thames barge.........certainly the latter would have had deck planking secured with 'treenails'.....yes miniature wooden nails.....sometimes you cannot beat scale detail :o
In OZ, Selleys and Sika brands manufacture Polyurathane wood glue......available at any good hardware store :-)) ...Derek
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If you get the small brass pin/nails, and only put them 3/4 in, when the glue sets you can remove them. You could also use map pins. However, if you use map pins you can normally only get one pin in the plank width. If you have a compound curve that puts twist into the plank it is better to be able to pin the plank near both edges.
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Hi Tonywolf,
If you can, find a copy of Vic Smeed's book Model Yachting.
Regards
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Hi regarding pin holes in the wood. A pin or nail moves the wood fibres aside, compressing them when being hammered in. After removal try a drop of water on the hole with luck this will allow the wood fibres to expand again and most of the hole will go.
good luck,
Roy
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Hi, Do as roycv says, or try using a cotton cloth, such as a nappy or similar, use it damp, and using a pen style soldering iron, drap the cloth over the hole, and touch the hot iron to the cloth over the hole, this will inject steam into the fibres and close the hole.
Experiment a little on scrap until you get the technic right. You can remove small dents and dings from wooden furniture the same way.
:-))
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Wow! What a great forum, thank you all for your comments and suggestions I will work my way through them slowly. I have been rabbiting away alone for about a year and a half learning a small amount along the way by trial and error, but it is so good to be able to talk to other like minded individuals and gain some of their knowledge %%
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You can buy specialised planking clamp fitments which allow you to clamp down the plank without putting any holes in it.
[url][/http://www.micromark.com/10-piece-planking-clamp-set,6454.htmlurl]
Jim
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Jim, your site reference does not work. %)
ken
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Lets try again, this should be it.
http://www.micromark.com/10-piece-planking-clamp-set,6454.html (http://www.micromark.com/10-piece-planking-clamp-set,6454.html)
Jim