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Title: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Neil on April 04, 2018, 05:08:00 pm

This morning at 01.30 hours I was just closing up for the night when I heard the deafening roar of jet engines approaching my house in poulton le fylde from the north.........our dog went berserk as the plane approached and I rushed into the garden just as the crescendo of the aeroplanes  jet engines passed over at very low level.....it was so low it actually shook the house and my inner bones..a couple of hundred feet or so, no more....and I could see the glow of her engines as she flew into the southern darkness............I thought that she was going to crash on the town or in the fields beyond I was so terrified.


I told my daughter about it this morning and the fact that I was actually frightened for our safety for the first time in many years as the aircraft was so low at that time of night, and she tweeted it, to find that there were dozens of tweets regarding the same aircraft from as far away as Edinburgh, flying very low. It was apparently an RAF Aircraft.


Someone tweeted that she had been on exercise from Lossiemouth in the North of Scotland  when bad weather had closed in and so diverted to Edinburgh where similar weather was now being experienced, and by now was critical on fuel and so was diverted at low altitude via Morecambe bay, over poulton and Blackpool, down the coast to Liverpool John Lennon Airport on an emergency route and landed safely just after 02.00 hours.


just glad of the outcome for the guys on board...........a change of trousers would be perfectly acceptable for those air crew members.. %) ;) :-))


neil.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Brian60 on April 04, 2018, 05:43:47 pm
There was similar reported last year over Hull (low flying) Then the RAF fronted up to say two of their aircraft had been scrambled to intercept a Russian plane flying down the North Sea. Once they had seen it off, they gave a low level flying demonstration over Hull and the Humber before heading back to base.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: bfgstew on April 04, 2018, 05:46:22 pm
RAF announced it as a emergency divert training exercise during a normal routine mission. Pilots unaware of divert.........this is what happens in the real world, unfortunately it woke a few people up but would like to think they would rather land quickly and safely and get back in the air to defend our airspace....... :-))
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Neil on April 04, 2018, 07:07:31 pm

Quote from: bfgstew on April 04, 2018, 05:46:22 pm
RAF announced it as a emergency divert training exercise during a normal routine mission. Pilots unaware of divert.........this is what happens in the real world, unfortunately it woke a few people up but would like to think they would rather land quickly and safely and get back in the air to defend our airspace....... :-))


yes, heard that stew, on facebook but this was my reply to that statement a friend made............I'm very cynical when organisations say something that from personal experience and viewing just doesn't ring true...

There was only one plane flew over my house Paul...........and it was a damned sight larger than a typhoon......don't think fake at all, because I contacted the CAA this lunch time and they came back later saying they could not comment........if it were a couple of Typhoons, as  they could happily made such a comment......(even commented when I reported a UFO  from the same garden that I, my wife and a friend who was having a drink with us saw late one night).........it was a cover up, but they still commented........but to say we cannot comment gives me to believe that the aircraft was in some difficulty, and not typhoons on night exercise........I go to bed late most nights and have never had planes fly over the area that late, and they don't scramble typhoons from Warton either.
Do you think that the RAF  would admit to putting an aircraft, in peril from shortage of fuel and  then route it over urban accommodation...............there'd be poop to pay...........so give a diversionary story......two typhoons re routed..........sorry Paul..........there was only one plane, and the engines were not stuck up it's 'bottom'........they were on the wings, a distance apart!!!
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Liverbudgie2 on April 04, 2018, 08:41:32 pm
Said aircraft passed down the Mersey in a northly direction at approximately 0115, it wasn't as loud as during the daytime but he did open up as he when over Liverpool Bay heading towards Valley I presume, at least it sounded like it. Unusual granted, but not in the least bit scary. The moggy, Fluffy Puss, didn't even stir.

LB
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: dreadnought72 on April 04, 2018, 08:44:05 pm
Neil - low on fuel? It does not make sense to fly low. Stay at altitude: there's less drag, and more options as to where you ditch (if you need to) the aircraft.


Andy
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Walnut on April 04, 2018, 09:16:54 pm
I love stuff like this. I Live in the Lot et Garonne which is a low fly training area for the French Air Force. Mirage 2000's, Alpha jets (yes they still use them) and Rafale are literally an everyday sight. The lower the better over my house! If you're not used to it however it can be disturbing.

Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: ballastanksian on April 04, 2018, 10:07:23 pm

Then there's this business over the poisoning and us having a to do with Russia, I wonder if the Russians will put a few more Bears and Blackjacks into or around UK airspace now? Putting in a few extra hours training is no bad thing.


Good to hear that the crew are safe.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Jonty on April 05, 2018, 08:29:48 pm
  ...and the engines were not stuck up it's 'bottom'........they were on the wings, a distance apart!!!

  So what does that make it?
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: raflaunches on April 05, 2018, 09:36:26 pm
Oh oh me me!!!


An airliner! %)




No really I’ve heard anything other than what’s been mentioned on here.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: RST on April 05, 2018, 11:23:27 pm
My old worksite was an old airfield dating back to RFC days but the whole area was a catalina / RAF crash tender base.  RAF used our site for fake boming runs -it being almost 2 miles long at the end of glen Wivis.  Tornado and Jaguar bombing was always a pain at some moments 'till they passed.

One day I at the end of my office outside because the noise was pretty unusual (office started shaking).  I stepped outside the block and a Herculese was perilouly close and apparently crashing into us straight on from across the site -we couldn't run much in any direction to escape a crash landing by the time we saw it it was so low!!!!

....suddenly it pulled almost straight up directly above my office.   I'm not the only person who saw daylight through the windows on it -it was that close!!  I have always said what a phenominal aircraftit is for its size -but truly demonstrated that day, the noise and proximity were truly immense and the fact it was so close to ground but just turned up and fxxx off almost staight up and we never saw it again up in the cluds afterwards. We were all left shaking afterwards, we all thought it was going to be a crash landing at the back of our site but it just pulled up at very last minute, off and went!  I'm sure they don't get away with those stunts in less than rural areas!!!
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on April 05, 2018, 11:38:26 pm
Love a good conspiracy theory, so here goes...
Not a Russian Blackjack, that's just silly..How about an American B-1B playing at being a Blackjack, for a plaything for a pair of RAF Typhoons to play with.
Just a more plausible conspiracy theory, please shoot down :}
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Neil on April 06, 2018, 03:22:20 pm


Quote from: unbuiltnautilus on April 05, 2018, 11:38:26 pm
Love a good conspiracy theory, so here goes...
Not a Russian Blackjack, that's just silly..How about an American B-1B playing at being a Blackjack, for a plaything for a pair of RAF Typhoons to play with.
Just a more plausible conspiracy theory, please shoot down :}


I love these conspiracies.....but the simple truth is....................I was stood in the garden as I heard it approaching.............there was only one aircraft flew overhead.........two glowing engines disappearing southwards at 01.30.......not 3 aircraft and six glowing jetand she was so slow in passing and at that speed any two accompanying typhoons that need 13+ computers in the air would have dropped to the ground.......


I may be 66 but I'm not ga ga or stupid, and I can count to 10 with help from my fingers, and there was only ONE  airplane..........and how it could have been flying in a northerly direction up the Mersey at 01.15 when she was flying over my house at 01.30 hours, god only knows.........perhaps even more conspiratous  is that there were two planes playing ring a ring o' roses....... {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)




 it is however very interesting that the CAA has not made any return comment to me........I find that very enlightening
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Plastic - RIP on April 06, 2018, 03:37:37 pm
So what aircraft type do you think it was? It's a very short list for RAF types.
Were the engines next to each other (like a Tornado/Typhoon), spaced slightly apart (like a Buccaneer or a Gulfstream/private jet) or much wider like Canberra/737/A320?

A similar short list for US/Russian/Civil types can be derived.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Neil on April 06, 2018, 03:52:31 pm


Quote from: Jonty on April 05, 2018, 08:29:48 pm
  ...and the engines were not stuck up it's 'bottom'........they were on the wings, a distance apart!!!

  So what does that make it?


that in itself makes it a very strange incident, Jonty..because not  5 miles away as the crow [or aircraft in this case] flies there are two "airports" that still have operational airstrips if needed.....Warton, where the parts and testing of Typhoons is carried out, and Blackpool..............Although Blackpool is now closed as a commercial airport, it still has full emergency services capabilities on site 24/7 and both Warton and Blackpool are capable of taking a Boeing 747 or equivalent sized airplane on to the long runways should they be needed in an emergency, but not for standard flight and taxying.........i.e. she'd never get off the ground again a Blackpool............so make of that what you will, but it certainly wasn't a Typhoon that flew overhead.......little bit of news........or no news actually, I contacted the local paper the morning after to give them a snippet........3 days later and still no "snippet" printed........curious and curiouser!


As to your question plastic.........I have absolutely no idea other than it wasn't a break away from 617 squadron.............there ain't no dams around here to bust, But definitely a larger aircraft than a fighter bomber or multi roll combat aircraft..........it was just a tad dark to see..........and my aircraft recognition starts and ends with WW2 British/German fighters and bombers....... Lanc or a Junkers either. lol :D %% %% %% .
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Plastic - RIP on April 06, 2018, 04:35:14 pm
So we're talking a small commercial like a Boeing 737 or Airbus A320 - so almost certainly some kind of surveilance / reconnaissance flight.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: jaymac on April 06, 2018, 04:43:06 pm
Engine noisewise   a bewildering sound  I heard a good few moons back. It was  early evening  summertime  Just outside Bristol on the coast. I was walking the dogs  and just started heading down towards the bay Our road is 300' level  I heard this deep booming throb  then as it got deeper could almost feel it the dogs were none too pleased either. Twas nowt like  anything I'd heard before I also grew up with the lancs etc.But definitely (I was sure) only one engine.  I was taken aback when from BELOW the rooftops 3 Hercules in very tight formation climbed up then the Harmonic broke and you heard multi  engines . I dont know what  they were playing at  but must have been  a fair bit below the 300 mark and with the 2nd highest tide on the planet just here   talk about  up to the wire
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: McGherkin on April 06, 2018, 05:25:07 pm
The only aircraft in the RAF which has 2 wing mounted engines and could potentially be operating at low altitudes is the Boeing P8-A, which is a maritime patrol aircraft, replacing the Nimrod. It's based on the 737.

It'd be unlikely, and I doubt you'd see glow from those engines (or really any large airliner-style turbofans) even at military power, so for me I'd probably still go with some form of fighter aircraft.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Plastic - RIP on April 06, 2018, 05:28:18 pm
Quote from: McGherkin on April 06, 2018, 05:25:07 pm
The only aircraft in the RAF which has 2 wing mounted engines and could potentially be operating at low altitudes is the Boeing P8-A, which is a maritime patrol aircraft, replacing the Nimrod. It's based on the 737.

It'd be unlikely, and I doubt you'd see glow from those engines (or really any large airliner-style turbofans) even at military power, so for me I'd probably still go with some form of fighter aircraft.

I'm betting on P8 Poseidon
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Netleyned on April 06, 2018, 05:33:12 pm
AHH
Not a Blackpool Buccaneer then :D :D
Ned
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: raflaunches on April 06, 2018, 05:39:14 pm
Could be a Voyager


Sorry an Airbus A340 air tanker! That a twin engine airliner sized aircraft operated  by the RAF
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Plastic - RIP on April 06, 2018, 05:48:05 pm
Jets do glow from behind.

I'm still with P8.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: raflaunches on April 06, 2018, 05:49:54 pm
It could if we had any- not in service yet.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Plastic - RIP on April 06, 2018, 05:51:26 pm
Quote from: raflaunches on April 06, 2018, 05:49:54 pm
It could if we had any- not in service yet.

Planes types are often on evaluation/testing for years before purchase.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Neil on April 06, 2018, 05:55:42 pm

Quote from: plastic on April 06, 2018, 05:48:05 pm
Jets do glow from behind.

I'm still with P8.


no lights showing but that was similar in size and configuration that I saw for the few seconds that I did as it flew away........wasn't quick enough to see it flying towards me,in the darkness as I couldn't see any lights, and as it was a couple of hundred yards to my left, it was almost as though [although improbable] following the main street lights of the main Fleetwood to Blackpool road..........but as I saw, all in darkness except for the two engine pods.


it is something I won't forget in a hurry.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: raflaunches on April 06, 2018, 05:56:12 pm
I believe that all the P-8’s are in the USA at the moment with the RAF undergoing air testing there, I know as many of my Scottish techie friends are wanting to get on it but won’t until 2019/20. There are none in the UK at the moment so it’s more than likely that if it was a RAF aircraft it’s going to be a Voyager. And trust me they are loud and produce glowing jet exhausts in the dark!
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: raflaunches on April 06, 2018, 06:01:16 pm
The other potential aircraft it could be but it depends on how far the engines appeared to be apart would be a Sentinel but it’s the size of a small business jet.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Neil on April 06, 2018, 06:04:29 pm

then I beg to ask......why are the "authorities" saying it was two Typhoons on a night exercise in emergency diversion tactics................as I said earlier........you can't fool all the people all the time.......


and people don't like being lied to by the "authorities"..


if I disappear overnight guys............you'll probably find me at Guantanamo, lol
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: ballastanksian on April 06, 2018, 08:11:35 pm

Given that a Voyager carries a load of fuel, if I were the RAF, I would not advertise the fact that a flying fuel station was flying around low because of the presumed danger of crashing in a residential area even with no payload. Your fellow residents would kick up a s##t storm over it, which could cause trouble with future missions and deployments in the local area.



Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: raflaunches on April 06, 2018, 08:25:38 pm
Thinking about how we operate it is conceivable that there were Typhoons there being refuelled by the Voyager when they were diverted as part of the training exercise. The Typhoon’s can be pretty quiet when they need to be and landing they are surprisingly quiet but an airliner type aircraft are noisy no matter what.
Perhaps the authorities thought that people heard the Tyhoons which most people if they saw them flying low in the daytime would automatically question why they were doing so whilst an airliner is something that most perhaps wouldn’t. I don’t know but I’ve only seen the what the papers have said other than Neil’s experience on the forum.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: F Flintstone on April 07, 2018, 09:43:48 am
If you really want to feel the earth move by an aircraft then it has to be a "Vulcan" I have been to a few air shows at RAF Finningley, on the non public Sunday the "Vulcan" would put on a special display, a fantastic sound and sight, your teeth rattled and your stomach vibrated  :-) :-) 
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Plastic - RIP on April 07, 2018, 09:50:49 am
A Voyager is an Airbus A330 - that is a very, very large plane - much bigger than a 737 or private jet. Flying low would be tricky and very dangerous to be refuelling a pair of Typhoons.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: gingyer on April 07, 2018, 10:40:24 am
Quote from: F Flintstone on April 07, 2018, 09:43:48 am
If you really want to feel the earth move by an aircraft then it has to be a "Vulcan" I have been to a few air shows at RAF Finningley, on the non public Sunday the "Vulcan" would put on a special display, a fantastic sound and sight, your teeth rattled and your stomach vibrated  :-) :-)


I saw a "special" Vulcan display and it was something I will NEVER forget.... the car alarms were going off, tiles came off the roof and it was GREAT  :-))
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: McGherkin on April 07, 2018, 01:49:04 pm
Quote from: F Flintstone on April 07, 2018, 09:43:48 am
If you really want to feel the earth move by an aircraft then it has to be a "Vulcan" I have been to a few air shows at RAF Finningley, on the non public Sunday the "Vulcan" would put on a special display, a fantastic sound and sight, your teeth rattled and your stomach vibrated  :-) :-)

Vulcans are earth shatteringly loud, yep. Really sad that none fly any more.

I've had the pleasure of being one of the rescue boats in the ditching area on a Typhoon show, which also happens to be directly underneath the show area. When a Typhoon, at low altitude, pitches up, points the exhausts straight at you, and engages full afterburner into a fast climb.... You remember it! That was breathtakingly loud.

In reply to some other posts, I discounted the Voyager since it has no need to be at low altitude and as Plastic said is far too unwieldy to do so anyway. A P8 isn't really a low flyer like the P3 was but it's not as big as the others. Discounted the Sentinel because of the engine placement, plus they work at high altitudes anyway.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: ballastanksian on April 07, 2018, 03:04:27 pm
A friend recalled watching a Lightening doing a vertical climb at Farnbourough (I think) years ago.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: dougal99 on April 07, 2018, 06:50:07 pm

Farnborough in the fifties/early sixties


V force scramble, that was a sight for sore ears!!
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Colin Bishop on April 07, 2018, 06:53:34 pm
Quote
A friend recalled watching a Lightening doing a vertical climb at Farnbourough (I think) years ago.
Quote

Saw that at Coltishall - early 70s.

Colin
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Netleyned on April 07, 2018, 06:58:27 pm
Nearly every day If you stood at crash gate at RAF Binbrook  :-))


Ned
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: raflaunches on April 07, 2018, 07:42:55 pm
I think some of you may not understand that I wasn’t referring to the aircraft I mentioned (Voyager and Typhoons) carrying out refuelling at low altitude, that would happen at 20,000ft and presumably they then got the training exercise command to carry out an emergency diversion. I’ve sat in the back of a Voyager on many occasion and they can manoeuvre when needed!
I think it was a Voyager if it was a RAF aircraft that Neil saw.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: FsASTSyd1 on April 08, 2018, 07:59:22 am

V force scramble, that was a sight for sore ears!! 
Normally four aircraft at each dispersal airfield but due to runway maintenance at their normal site, the airfield I was at once received two sets of four Vulcans on exercise. Now seeing that lot going off must be one of, especially my life's, sight and sound to remember for all time.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: FsASTSyd1 on April 08, 2018, 08:00:12 am
Now whats happened
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: dougal99 on April 08, 2018, 08:20:20 am

Here's Fastsyd1's post


 force scramble, that was a sight for sore ears!! 
Normally four aircraft at each dispersal airfield but due to runway maintenance at their normal site, the airfield I was at once received two sets of four Vulcans on exercise. Now seeing that lot going off must be one of, especially my life’s, sight and sound to remember for all time.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Tug Fanatic on April 08, 2018, 09:13:46 am

Noise depends on how far you are from the source. Modern safety rules tend to put us ever further from what we are watching. As a kid I remember the 3 or 4 V bomber scramble that started each Farnborough air show. I also remember it being loud and shaking my chest cavity but not as loud as the Lightning RAF aerobatic team that flew one year. Their take off was impressive! They flew a lot lower and over the crowd in those days & I still remember one approaching from behind on full reheat that I did not see coming.


Not the loudest however. That accolade goes to 2 US aircraft. If you want real noise sit behind the departure runway (not the enclosure but on the road) at Fairford on the Monday departure day after the air tattoo. Noisiest single aircraft winner is a B1B. Second was an F22 that was coming back from his display at Farnborough and decided to give the enthusiasts a display. He did a normal landing approach but the he hit reheat just after he had gone over us at 50-100 feet to do a vertical climb out. I have never heard a noise like it!
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: BrianB6 on April 08, 2018, 10:00:04 am
I can still remember shaking like a jelly when 3 Harriers landed at the same time on the other side of Farnborough airfield about 1970
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Plastic - RIP on April 08, 2018, 10:13:03 am
I remember being a small child in 1970 when they had a Harrier land at our local park in Oldham (there was a small RAF air display there) - they set up a 100' diameter circle of low wire fencing and just landed it there. I was standing with my family right at the fence and the plane landed with its left wingtip just a few feet from us.
Unbelievably noisy.
I remember at the same event the parachute display team (Red Devils?) came down in formation but one of them crashed into the metal swings and broke his legs.

The days of Health & Safety.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: unbuiltnautilus on April 08, 2018, 07:07:35 pm
Concorde departing Farnborough Air Show, rotating on full afterburner, not 70 yards from us. You give us B-1B, I raise you Concorde........
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Tug Fanatic on April 08, 2018, 09:29:17 pm

Quote from: unbuiltnautilus on April 08, 2018, 07:07:35 pm
Concorde departing Farnborough Air Show, rotating on full afterburner, not 70 yards from us. You give us B-1B, I raise you Concorde........


The Concorde motor is higher thrust but having heard both from about the same distance I think that the B1B was louder. Trouble is they were not heard at the same place nor at the same time so ??????????????????????


Neither could be described as quiet!
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Tug Fanatic on April 08, 2018, 09:37:25 pm



The one that I haven't heard which is supposed to be vastly noisy in the Russian Bear bomber. The contra rotating props are apparently very impressive
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Jerry C on April 09, 2018, 02:10:05 am
Got winched off Indom by Chinook in approaches to Mare Harbour. A quick lap round the bay and plopped back onboard. That’s noisy.
Jerry.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: F Flintstone on April 09, 2018, 07:12:09 am
"Vulcan" and "Concorde" both powered by RR "Olympus" engines, different variants, but basically the same, I like to look at "Concorde" as a passenger carrying "Vulcan". O0  FF
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Tug Fanatic on April 09, 2018, 08:09:38 am



Quote from: F Flintstone on April 09, 2018, 07:12:09 am
"Vulcan" and "Concorde" both powered by RR "Olympus" engines, different variants, but basically the same, I like to look at "Concorde" as a passenger carrying "Vulcan". O0  FF


As a kid living near Bristol we regularly saw a Vulcan with a Concord motor strapped underneath for testing. It spent a lot of hours around the Bristol Channel.

As I remember it the Vulcan & Concorde both had Olympus engines but those in the Vulcan did not have reheat & were thus much quieter giving 21000lbs thrust compared to those in Concorde which gave around 38000lbs.


The Vulcan remains one of the most beautiful and jaw dropping aircraft of all time.


I was amazed to see a Concorde still sitting on the apron at Heathrow a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: BrianB6 on April 09, 2018, 10:27:56 am
https://www.daftlogic.com/information-locations-of-concorde-planes.htm has a list of their current locations.
G-BOAB is at Heathrow
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Colin Bishop on April 09, 2018, 12:14:05 pm
The thing Neil saw was probably one of these:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-42405205/ufo-spotted-by-us-fighter-jet-pilots-new-footage-reveals

Colin
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Plastic - RIP on April 09, 2018, 12:16:51 pm
Quote from: Colin Bishop on April 09, 2018, 12:14:05 pm
The thing Neil saw was probably one of these:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-42405205/ufo-spotted-by-us-fighter-jet-pilots-new-footage-reveals (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-42405205/ufo-spotted-by-us-fighter-jet-pilots-new-footage-reveals)

Colin

I still go by the old "UFOs are not dangerous. People who see them are."
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Baldrick on April 09, 2018, 12:33:47 pm
Most likely what Neil saw was this.  Its been up doing some 1.8M flips in the last few days.


(http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2018/04/09/Wired.com_.jpg) (http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/image/BXKiG)
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: ballastanksian on April 09, 2018, 08:50:33 pm

I saw a B2 coming in to land at Yeovilton in August 2013. I was in the casting room and heard what I thought was a hot air balloon firing and popped out expecting to see a coloured blob stealing a picnic hamper and instead saw a black triangle passing alongside the farm complex.


Definitly a noisey machine.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Jonty on April 10, 2018, 04:01:50 pm
Like this?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Avro_722_Atlantic_top-view_silhouette.png/220px-Avro_722_Atlantic_top-view_silhouette.png)
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: ballastanksian on April 10, 2018, 08:10:20 pm
I am pretty sure it was a B2.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: warspite on April 11, 2018, 10:16:40 am
The one at Manchester airport is undercover so you wont see that easily.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: derekwarner on April 11, 2018, 12:37:38 pm
Well,......not loud & not really scary....................late November 1978 .....Perth airport seated in a window seat of a Frokker F28...awaiting departure to the north [Dampier]

At the end of the outboard runway...a large grey shadow slowly landed & blocked the sunlight..........grey fuselage much taller than the Frokker....no visible markings........this inbound aircraft came to a halt at the extremity of the runway......immediately all of the cockpit windows became silver like what we now know as LCD

A few days later, on the news some footage was shown of American B52 bombers landing in Perth..................

Very big....very grey...no visible markings   :o

Derek
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Plastic - RIP on April 11, 2018, 01:08:00 pm
A couple of years ago I was on a Virgin 747 over New York - everyone was eating lunch, I was looking out the window where if I pressed my face against the window, I had a huge field of view. Being an aircraft nerd, I was watching all the other aircraft above & below us crossing in the air corridors in that really busy airspace.
Suddenly, whoooosh - a white 737 went past us in the opposite direction, exactly the same altitude, so close that if it wasn't slightly banked, our wingtips would have clipped - so close I could clearly see all the rivets on the plane, the faces in the windows, the position of the control surfaces etc - looking at the B52 photo above, the 737 would have been between the B52 and the window of the photograher.
I got up and quietly told the stewerdess who contacted the captain - who replied that the other aircraft had been 'at least a mile away'.

I have the image clearly in my head and it still bothers me whenever I fly.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Netleyned on April 11, 2018, 02:21:21 pm
Not Frightening, but noisy!
Just after and slightly to Starboard
of a Phantom on the cat on Ark
winding up for GO.
Bit closer than the average guy at an
airshow or civil airport.


Ned
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Buccaneer on April 11, 2018, 07:41:37 pm
In many years of attending, and participating in, military air shows the best aircraft for noise, power, and frightening the kids has got to be the Lightning.
In 1975, in the middle of my military career, I went to the Lakenheath Air Show and for the first time saw the F-16. It re-wrote the rules on how aircraft flew and manoeuvred. At that time the things it did were unbelievable.

John
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Rottweiler on April 12, 2018, 08:52:26 pm
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU lol O0 O0 O0 O0 O0 :police: :police: :police: :police: ;) ;)
Mick F.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Neil on April 14, 2018, 04:34:16 pm
perhaps they were practising for last night.........no one will ever know.........except those in charge.............and they certainly won't be telling anyone.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Netleyned on April 14, 2018, 04:59:39 pm
Quote from: Neil on April 14, 2018, 04:34:16 pm
perhaps they were practising for last night.........no one will ever know.........except those in charge.............and they certainly won't be telling anyone.


Or a pre-emptive strike on the Blackpool Kebab Enclave {-)


Ned
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: GAZOU on April 14, 2018, 06:19:56 pm
Do the old remember of the sound of the Concorde in the take-off?
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Jerry C on April 15, 2018, 01:11:34 am
Oui Gazou, at anchor off LaGuaira when she took off right over us from Caracas airport.
Jerry.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Neil on April 15, 2018, 01:37:51 am

Quote from: GAZOU on April 14, 2018, 06:19:56 pm
Do the old remember of the sound of the Concorde in the take-off?


I used to hear it daily on the morning and evening flights........lived in a pub called "The Bell" at a little village called Waltham St Lawrence in Berkshire, and taught woodwork in maidenhead 1978 - 1980...........the pub was right under the flight path of outward bound flights from Heathrow............she had an ear splitting raucous sound far louder than any aircraft at the time.


but the first time I heard her was when her test pilot, [Trubshaw??] flew her over Blackpool on a "show and tell"....I was sat outside the Motor test centre waiting for a mate whom I had taught to drive took his driving test..........the examiner stopped the car at a certain point and got out himself to watch the Concorde fly over............leaving my mate with motor running sitting unaccompanied in the car........needless to say, he passed his test, lol.


picture..........my home for two years................used to rattle every morning and evening when Concorde flew over.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Neil on April 15, 2018, 01:47:56 am
she was a very cramped aircraft inside.........I remember flying to the Isle of Man many years ago in a Douglas Dakota dc3 and she reminded me of that plane.................never flew in her, but as a job, a guy who was a regular in the pub, asked me as a foreigner if I could build a kitchen bar structure in his house, with built in hob n cupboards........he was a security officer at Heathrow, and as a "treat" when I'd finished the bar he took me to Heathrow and onto the plane as a bit of a thank you.........cockpit and seating area........was great......even sat in the pilots seat...........but sadly no camera allowed..........but a fantastic experience I'll never forget.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: GAZOU on April 15, 2018, 01:27:30 pm
I lived 6 months in 2 km of the end of the trunway of Airport Roissy Charles de de Gaulle, this plane moved plates in the cupboards of the kitchen
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Tug Fanatic on April 15, 2018, 01:39:13 pm

Quote from: GAZOU on April 15, 2018, 01:27:30 pm
I lived 6 months in 2 km of the end of the trunway of Airport Roissy Charles de de Gaulle, this plane moved plates in the cupboards of the kitchen


& as it was Air France it was on remould tyres - which I understand in conjunction with a bit of metal left on the runway caused the disaster.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: eddiesolo on April 15, 2018, 02:45:55 pm
My story goes back a few years, summer and late, around 12am or later, we had had a BBQ and the chiminea embers were glowing nicely, sat having a fag when I heard a boom...boom...boom. Now this was high above and I instinctively looked up to try and source it. There was no cloud cover and I saw a couple of telltale aircraft lights in the distance but this sounded different...then I spotted it.


I saw three vapour circles high up and a slight vapour trail leading to, what I thought was a aircraft as it was moving, no lights visible on said object, I pondered and thought it could have been a meteor entering the atmosphere at just the right angle and it caused sonic booms but to be honest no idea.
 
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Plastic - RIP on April 15, 2018, 04:20:27 pm
I worked in West Slough for a period in the mid '90s and Concorde used to fly directly over my workplace on take-off out of Heathrow. Brilliant sound. Everything stopped for those seconds as it went over with everyone looking out the windows to see the afterburners.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: jaymac on April 15, 2018, 04:50:32 pm
None of you ever hear the Vulcan flying over  with the test engine strapped to its belly attached not to mention a couple of weeks before the  France disaster she'd  just passed over Bristol regular time and was heading over the estuary when she dropped like a stone  tremendous noise lot of smoke   sharp climb then back the other way . Never saw or heard any mention of it in the media
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Tug Fanatic on April 15, 2018, 06:05:53 pm

Quote from: jaymac on April 15, 2018, 04:50:32 pm
None of you ever hear the Vulcan flying over  with the test engine strapped to its belly attached not to mention a couple of weeks before the  France disaster she'd  just passed over Bristol regular time and was heading over the estuary when she dropped like a stone  tremendous noise lot of smoke   sharp climb then back the other way . Never saw or heard any mention of it in the media


I remember the Vulcan with the Concorde engine strapped underneath in the early 1960's but are you suggesting that they were still using it in the early 2000?
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Plastic - RIP on April 15, 2018, 06:11:15 pm
The Vulcan with the Concorde engine was destroyed in 1962 when the engine failed and ruptured the fuel tanks.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: jaymac on April 15, 2018, 07:17:26 pm
Quote from: Tug Fanatic on April 15, 2018, 06:05:53 pm

I remember the Vulcan with the Concorde engine strapped underneath in the early 1960's but are you suggesting that they were still using it in the early 2000?
No the late 60's as for the vulcan crash  it was not the only one to be used I lived about 1 mile from the drome and you could hear the engines being ground tested also was  at  the  first flight
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Tug Fanatic on April 15, 2018, 07:41:56 pm


Yes that I was I though together with the Vulcan being withdrawn operationally in 1984. Is there more than one French disaster? I wondered when I read the Jaymac post


  None of you ever hear the Vulcan flying over  with the test engine strapped to its belly attached not to mention a couple of weeks before the  France disaster she'd  just passed over Bristol regular time and was heading over the estuary when she dropped like a stone  tremendous noise lot of smoke sharp climb then back the other way

Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: jaymac on April 15, 2018, 10:50:03 pm
NO I meant Concorde Passing over  on its regular  schedule then dropping this was  a couple of weeks before the concord disaster in France
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Neil on May 10, 2018, 05:26:35 pm

ahh haaa.......if this isn't a cover up, I don't know what is.........


another whitewash, lol.


I finally got a reply from the Civil Aviation Authority.......


Is that bovine excreta, I can smell.

Dear Mr Howard - Pritchard
Thank you for your email. Please accept my apology for the delay in my response.
as the UK's specialist aviation regulator, the CAA does not provide air traffic control services or monitor aircraft movements, and do not have routine access to radar data.  We do not, therefore, know who the operator of the aircraft were and cannot, therefore, advise further.
Yours sincerely
**** ********
General Enquiries and Case Management
Communications Department     Civil  Aviation Authority
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: gingyer on May 10, 2018, 10:05:56 pm
No they don't and to be honest I actually wonder what planet your on over this......

Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: carlmt on May 10, 2018, 10:23:27 pm
NATS (National Air Traffic Service) provide the radar and airspace control in the UK.
The CAA is purely a Regulator - rule setter, judge and jury - on aviation matters in the UK.

They could have access to the data that NATS holds - should they really need it - but for a query like this they wouldn't bother.

CT
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Neil on May 10, 2018, 11:42:28 pm
Quote from: carlmt on May 10, 2018, 10:23:27 pm
NATS (National Air Traffic Service) provide the radar and airspace control in the UK.
The CAA is purely a Regulator - rule setter, judge and jury - on aviation matters in the UK.

They could have access to the data that NATS holds - should they really need it - but for a query like this they wouldn't bother.

CT
:-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Neil on May 10, 2018, 11:44:37 pm


Quote from: gingyer on May 10, 2018, 10:05:56 pm
No they don't and to be honest I actually wonder what planet your on over this......


ohhhh!! ginger............planet conspiracy....................I just love a conspiracy theory..............


have one about Trump...............he really is an alien.... {-) {-) %% %% %% .......that's why he has so many MIB around him.
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: carlmt on May 10, 2018, 11:48:37 pm
Quote from: Neil on May 10, 2018, 11:44:37 pm


ohhhh!! ginger............planet conspiracy....................I just love a conspiracy theory..............


have one about Trump...............he really is an alien.... {-) {-) %% %% %% .......that's why he has so many MIB around him.

Now, THAT I can believe.............
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: jaymac on May 11, 2018, 05:37:45 am
I thought gingyer was querying Neil's wherabouts :}
Jay
Title: Re: FRIGHTENING EXPERIENCE last night!
Post by: Neil on May 11, 2018, 08:45:16 am

Quote from: carlmt on May 10, 2018, 11:48:37 pm
Now, THAT I can believe.............


 {-) {-) {-) :-))