Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: DickyD on September 14, 2009, 06:29:46 pm
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Started on my Al Khubar this week and so far I have fitted the two propshafts, Kort nozzles and the two torpedo 500 motors with the 1:2.5 gearboxes.
Had great fun trying to line everything up prior to fixing, 14 pieces had to be temporary fixed and checked for position before final fixing.
All the running gear came from Model Slipway who as usual have been super efficient and helpful.
Next job will be one of my favourites, the cutting of the freeing ports.
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nice start there Richard , just one thing what are they whispering about in photo 1 .
daz
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No idea Daz, I wasn't watching it. :embarrassed:
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Rosemary & Thyme discussing gardening & murder... ;)
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I thought it was "do you think dicky has put enough resin on them prop tubes" :-)) .
daz
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God, you lot are sad. ok2
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Yep :-))
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Take care with those freeing ports, Richard - they aren't half flimsy until you get the uprights fitted. I'd suggest clamping a length of PSE softwood along the top edge on the outside of the hull (maybe 22mm x 22mm) to keep them straight while you work on the uprights.
Ref the piccie, Felicity Kendall looks more like a Siamese cat in a wind tunnel these days. I hope that plastic surgeon leaves her South Elevation alone.................... %)
FLJ
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Cut out the freeing ports with the dremel, the dust didn't do me much good.
Waterproofed where parts come through the hull. This I did with Epoxy resin.
Fixed the deck supports around the hull.
So far so good.
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Made up the I beams to support the deck.
Then I fixed the I beams.
Found a discrepancy in the dimensions so phoned MSW and spoke to Lawrie. As usual he was extremely helpful and the problem was sorted out.
I then fixed the decks which went in with very little trimming though I did have to take 5mm off the transom end of the rear deck which was where the discrepancy in the measurements occurred, which was a shame as the deck fitted perfectly, it was just to long.
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I then finished off the white metal work to the Kort nozzles.
By this time the glue was getting to me so I called it a day.
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It's looking lovely, Dicky. You really turn out nice models. Isn't it horrible that the dust and fumes get to you. I was looking at the cut outs on the hull and thinking 'that's a massive job' for home work. Even I would have to use my industrial face mask for that one.
As a 'by' to the above, I am holidaying in Poole next week and thought of Settley pond. Is there anything going on during the week that I might come along and see, and to meet you, perhaps.
All the best
ken
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I made up the rear hatch.
I have now fixed the bulwark braces and handrail.
I assembled the towing hook mount.
I fixed the anchors.
I fixed the surrounds for the front and rear fenders
I also sealed the joint between hull and deck with epoxy resin.
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Have done a small amount of filling.
Gave the inside of the bulwarks and the outside of the hull its first coat of primer.
Showed up where I need a little more filling.
Started on the assembly of the superstructure and this is going well with very little trimming owing to the accuracy of the marking out.
Havent done to much since my last posting as the paint fumes limit me to the amount of time I can work.
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Hi Richard,
She's coming on nicely Richard,well done. I see you use the same rubber protection as I do on your boatstand, works well doesn't it? :-))
Danny
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Have painted the hull above the waterline.
Have been making the internals to the wheel house, pictures later.
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hey old man that narf look canny good :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
can i hoy that boat in the watta when you have finished it {-) {-) {-)
aye john
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No Mr Bluebird you are not throwing it into the lake.
Just lately I have been making the wheel house furniture, the mast, and sundry deck fittings.
Was rather spoilt when I did the Sentinel as there was lots of etched brass fittings, not on this one you have to make everything yourself using ABS and brass wire.
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Now that's tiny stuff. I particularly like this side of the construction. Well done
ken
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Have painted the hull above the waterline.
Have been making the internals to the wheel house, pictures later.
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lOOKIN BRILLAINT!!! Good choice of colours :-))
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I have now fixed the handrails and most of the white metal fittings and have also made up the anchor winch, capstan, towing hook and all the bollards.
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Everything is now primed and has had at least one coat of colour.
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Hi Dicky. Those handrails do look lovely. Do you make the assembly on the bench first ? and then fit them to the boat, or do you locate the stanchions first and then thread the hand rails on ?
Ken
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Hi Dicky. Those handrails do look lovely. Do you make the assembly on the bench first ? and then fit them to the boat, or do you locate the stanchions first and then thread the hand rails on ?
Ken
I do a bit of each Ken, which ever is easiest at the time.
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The reason they caught my eye was that I've just completed mine. I used the moulded stanchions provided and decided to get the positions right, first.
Big mistake. They are quite weak and didn't like the rails being pulled through them, so consequently started snapping at the bases. (oh er!) What a night mare. Got through it in the end, but next time I'm going your brass route. Also, I prefer them unpainted as I can never get a smooth finish with the white paint and brush.
ken
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Hi Dicky, following your build with great interest, it's looking very nice. I've pretty much decided this is going to be my next build, hoping to pick up a kit at the weekend.
A quick question, my previous build was a plastic hull, whereas this is a glassfibre hull, the epoxy you use is it just normal stuff, what I've seen before has always been clear, not the reddy colour like yours.
Thanks,
Rowdy
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Hi Rowdy, I use Z-Poxy Epoxy Resin. I think the red comes from the P40 filler under the Epoxy.
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The reason they caught my eye was that I've just completed mine. I used the moulded stanchions provided and decided to get the positions right, first.
Big mistake. They are quite weak and didn't like the rails being pulled through them, so consequently started snapping at the bases. (oh er!) What a night mare. Got through it in the end, but next time I'm going your brass route. Also, I prefer them unpainted as I can never get a smooth finish with the white paint and brush.
Ken
The castings in Mountfleet kits are pretty much 100% lead, while Model Slipway use an alloy which has a tin content and makes it much stronger. That said, as far as I can remember from making the prototype and drawing the plans Al Khubar doesn't have any cast or etched stanchions; the rails and stanchions are all made from wire.
For what it's worth, I always make up the rails and stanchion assemblies on a ply template and only transfer them to the model once the whole lot has been painted.
I guess it's a matter of personal preference.
FLJ
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Yes, they are still flimsy, even when all glued into place. One touch on the rails tends to pull the others over as well. It's also annoying that the broken stubs are in the exact location required for the replacement. Difficult to remove without enlarging the hole. >:-o
I shall follow your advice in future. Cheers.
ken
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Sorry I cheated on the railings and used stanchions where I could to make it easier.
I have been fitting a few more fittings and the deck house furniture.
I have also been detailing the fittings.
I also fixed the white vinyl boot topping.
Rubber fenders are fixed and waiting for chains.
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Richard
Lookin' good, dude. Are you going to fit the deckhand, sitting on the hatch with a can of beer in his hand?
FLJ
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Richard
Lookin' good, dude. Are you going to fit the deckhand, sitting on the hatch with a can of beer in his hand?
FLJ
Cant remember Dave, the crew are still travelling down here from Southend but appear to have been held up somewhere. {:-{
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Hi Richard,
you doing a super job as always. She looks great and I am looking forward seeing her in the water (at least the pix). Right now I am working on the caldercraft Clyde Puffer "Northstar" and consider model slipway's updated "Yorkshireman."Anyway, I hope you are feeling alright and keep on building such beautiful boats.
Best
Wilhelm
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Wonderful job, Richard- as usual. I love the detail, very realistic. :-)) However, it tends to make me feel rather inadequate <:( :-)
Peter.
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Richard,
When are you going to move house, so you can fit all these beautifully built models?? :-)) :-)) :-))
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Thanks for the nice comments chaps.
Barry you have noticed my problem, I have run out of shelves and I'm picking my next kit up at the end of the month. %)
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Cant remember Dave, the crew are still travelling down here from Southend but appear to have been held up somewhere. {:-{
Ah-ha! Looks like George got to the can first ok2
FLJ
(BTW, the skipper in my orginal A-K2 has a glass of wine, as befits an officer..........)
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Hi Dicky,
Well I've ordered my Khubar today, so should get it early next week, not decided what motors to go with yet, just been trying to read anything I could find about 6v vs 12v, from what I can gather there shouldn't me much in it performance wise as the higher voltage has more gearing, the only real benefit I can see is less power used, would I be right in that assumption. Also I noticed in your first picture the props, are these the ones supplied or have these been bought separately?
Thanks,
Rowdy
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Hi Rowdy the props are not standard but if you get in touch with Model Slipway, Laurie or Jackie can advise you. If you look in your list of parts it will tell you if you have an M4 or M5 prop shaft as not all of the kits have the same size.
You get a bit more oomph from the 12V which is ok if you want to do towing, I dont so I have the 6V.
When you come to fit the rear deck check your dimensions. Although my deck was a perfect fit to the transom it was however about 10mm to long which put the hatch opening 10mm to far forward, so I had to take 10mm off the transom end of the deck and reshape it.
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Thanks Dicky, I'll find out about the props as you suggest. For the motors I was looking at the MFA 919D series which are 2.5:1, but I was wondering if this didn't give enough oomph could I just swap the gearing to convert it to the 6:1 and then change the battery or are they not designed to be changed in that way?
I'll keep an eye open for the rear deck fitting, thanks.
Rowdy
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I used the MFA Torpedo 500 supplied by MSW and recommended for the kit.
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An alternative to the MFA geared motors is the new MMB755, on direct drive @ 12v. This is one smoooooooooooooth motor - like a 720BB Torque but less than half the price. Further details on Mark's website (and ours).
http://marksmodelbits.co.uk/
http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/pdfs/MOTORS03.pdf
FLJ
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I used the MFA Torpedo 500 supplied by MSW and recommended for the kit.
I wasn't sure whether these were the same as the 919D's, I was thinking of ordering from Model Slipway but was trying to work out some options.
Rowdy
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An alternative to the MFA geared motors is the new MMB755, on direct drive @ 12v. This is one smoooooooooooooth motor - like a 720BB Torque but less than half the price. Further details on Mark's website (and ours).
http://marksmodelbits.co.uk/
http://www.action-electronics.co.uk/pdfs/MOTORS03.pdf
FLJ
What are the benefits of direct drive over the gearbox version?
Thanks,
Rowdy
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What are the benefits of direct drive over the gearbox version?
Direct drive is much quieter. The MFA/Como 919D is the same motor as the geared Torpedo 500 - it's just a name thing.
FLJ
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Well all finished apart from the naming ceremony and the electrics.
Took all day to fix the tyres and a lot of swearing to fix the chains around the fenders.
The crew all arrived safely and are now on board. The figures are excellent, thanks George. I will point out at this stage that George's website is out of date and the figures now come painted and in sets of four and not the fours on the site.
http://www.georgeturnermodels.com/index.php?page=shopping&shop_cat_id=20
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Looking fine Richard. Looking forward to seeing her on the water.
Roger in France
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Looks good :-)) what plans have you for the electrics, just for the motors or are you thinking of lighting and stuff?
Rowdy
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Just some ACTion goodies ordered today. Goodness knows when they will get here.
Not bothered with lights, dont sail in the dark in the New Forest.
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No Mr Bluebird you are not throwing it into the lake.
Just lately I have been making the wheel house furniture, the mast, and sundry deck fittings.
Was rather spoilt when I did the Sentinel as there was lots of etched brass fittings, not on this one you have to make everything yourself using ABS and brass wire.
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Dicky, re pic 2, just where does the washing machine fit? Bryan.
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See reply 29 Bryan
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Dont listen to him Richard we can see it's not a washing machine , he is only trying to wind you up . Yo have done a spendid job there and i for one would like to see it on the water , will you be naming her by the kit or do you have something in mind to make her individual ? .
daz
Oh by the way i like the ships cat :-)) .
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Hi Daz I have named it after my daughter, Paula D.
Made the cat myself so dont look to closely.
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Fitted my ACTion bits today, the P94 Dual escape/mixer, P92 Power distribution board and the P95/2 Twin indicator fuse board.
They worked - a miracle with my electrical knowledge.
Just got to wait for nipper to give me a hand with the test pool so I can see how it floats or if.
Then I need some fine weather for the maiden voyage.
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Dicky Man
just go for it and cut the red wire you know it makes sense - duh - are your wires round the right way? are you sure - or is your rudder linkage round the right way....have you got a touch of the Geordie electrics in that there tug man - fiz-bang-wop - man
otherwise, looking canny my mate
I just wish I was doon your end of the watter to hoy it in the lake for ya
aye
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Hey, that's not bad wiring. You've done this before haven't you.
Looking good there, Dicky. Don't wait for the weather. it's on the turn, I hear. Don't forget your camera.
Cheers
Ken
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Need the fine weather Ken as my helper reckons she can find better things to do if its raining. :((
I'll ignore your remarks John as I dont want you throwing this one in like you do yours, anyway you already tried to sink my Sentinel. >>:-(
Thanks for the excellent service Dave ( FLJ ) :-))
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well Richard my friend, what you have to bear in mind, is, when you are the lake withyour better half and all the other modellers are running for cover, complaining about the wind being too strong and the waves being too big and they are afraid to sail their models, in case they get swamped and sunk - you know you built the Sentinel so well and to such a good high standard - that I could tip it right on its side and it still righted itself. When we looked how much water there was inside, there wasnt a great deal of water in the inside :-))
So me trying to sink it, did prove one think - yeeel never sink it Dicky :embarrassed: :-)) %% %% {-)
so Howway man, let's hoy this one in the lake. :((
only joking, honest
aye
john
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:-)) :-)) :-))richard just seen you boat and I am awestruck makes me sweat at the thought of me even contemplating building at all,
CONGRATULATIONS
Pat
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:-)) :-)) :-))richard just seen you boat and I am awestruck makes me sweat at the thought of me even contemplating building at all,
CONGRATULATIONS
Pat
Model Slipway kits are great to do. You get decent materials, good instructions and drawings, a website full of photos reviews and hints and tips and wonderful customer service where nothing is to much trouble. The only thing you have to get used to is their weird opening hours.
I would recommend them for beginners any time. :-))
Not bad, wonder if I will get anything off my Maggie M for that recommendation. {:-{
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Hi Richard
The opening times are 7am until 3pm that is when Lawrie is in the workshops and can answer technical queries; there is usually someone in until 4pm, and sometimes later. If not the answerphone is on and we return the calls the next day.
Re Maggie M. I was expecting a delivery of hulls on Friday but it did not turn up. I should have some this coming week.
Jackie
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Hi Richard
The opening times are 7am until 3pm that is when Lawrie is in the workshops and can answer technical queries; there is usually someone in until 4pm, and sometimes later. If not the answerphone is on and we return the calls the next day.
Re Maggie M. I was expecting a delivery of hulls on Friday but it did not turn up. I should have some this coming week.
Jackie
Thanks Jackie I can wait.
Was just wanting to point out that you dont do 9-5.
Also thanks to you both for for your excellent service.
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Thanks Jackie I can wait.
Was just wanting to point out that you dont do 9-5.
Also thanks to you both for for your excellent service.
I know I have emailed from here in the states in the pm and have received an answer the same night when I know it's in the am in the UK. You can't beat that. I would have been happy with an answer when they opened and had the first cup of coffee let alone when I know they're long closed. :-))
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Well the weather was nice and I was feeling as well as I'm likely to be so today we had the long awaited maiden voyage which was excellent.
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Looks well on the water, very nice indeed.
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Looking very good on the water, see you've got the good weather down there with you!! ok2
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Looks great on the water, Dicky. Well done that man. Empty shed now then. %)
Ken
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I wish, few repairs to carry out on the fleet before I start the next one.
Want to buy a boat, I have two for sale as I need the room ?
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Hi Richard,
your Al Khubar looks great on the water, congratulations., well done (as usual). I also like your wiring job, very professional. I am still working on my Graupner "Adolph Bermpohl." If the weather cooperates I can do a little more painting on the hull this week. By the way, after looking for more than a year for an unbuilt kit of the Gry Maritha, I finally found one.
All the Best
Wilhelm
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Dont know what happened to the photos. Lets try again.
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Nice, photo 2 looks life like. well done. :-))
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That looks great very neet build O0 O0 like the man said looks like the real one.
regards John
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Hi,
I know this is an old topic but I just picked up an Al Khubar kit and read through this thread.
What did you use to glue all the styrene together? Also looking at cutting out the freeing ports, what dremel attachment did you use for that? was thinking of drilling a row of holes and filing to get it straight and opened up.
Thanks
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Hi,
I know this is an old topic but I just picked up an Al Khubar kit and read through this thread.
What did you use to glue all the styrene together? Also looking at cutting out the freeing ports, what dremel attachment did you use for that? was thinking of drilling a row of holes and filing to get it straight and opened up.
Thanks
I'm just doing a Model Slipways kit and I'm using Testor's liquid cement. You may want to use a finer brush for the application than is supplied in the bottle.
John
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Good evening everyone, sorry to resurrect this rather old thread. This is my first post on this forum, i have been reading from the wings for quite some time.
Im currently working as a farm manager for 6months in Uganda and keenly planning my first full build when i return (Al Khubar). Funnily enough i have sailed alot of mine and my late grandfather's (Tom Griffin) models on Setley pond.
Anyway heres to the point.
Could i fit these steerable Korts from Mike's Model Bits for the ASD harbour tug on Al Khubar?, they are 45mm, what size is Al Khubar fixed korts?
I would like to finish by saying how much i have enjoyed reading the various threads on this forum.
Many thanks
James