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Masterclasses => George's TID Tug => Topic started by: barryfoote on November 03, 2008, 09:03:17 am
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Now that I like. She is going to be a real beauty George.
Barry
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Hi ggeorge.
Welcome to the Forum.
I've just sent you some pix gleaned from this site. The sequence folder is of Stavros' TID built recently.
Hope this helps you...................... :-)) :-)) :}
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Gerry:
Here's the URL for Stavro's TID tug build: http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6613.0
JHV
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Nice build, keep us posted!
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Hi George,
Most impressive. A quick question....Does the steel plate not cause vibration and more noise? I just wondered why steel and not wood?
Barry
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Hi Barry,
I normally would not use this as a base but I will need the extra weight. A far as viberation and noise, these motors are very quiet and low RPM and with rubber motor mount seem to work at the test run.
Gerald
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Thanks for that George. A good idea to use it as extra ballast. :-))
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Looks really ace :} i just really love the shape of them
Cant wait to see more :-))
All the best
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You mention coaling scuttles, so why not make her a oil fired vessel most of the ones I believe in MoD use were oil burners, save a bit of extra research and work.
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Hi ,
In regards to the oil fired vessel and the coaling scuttles. The first 90 were Cole fired with fixed funnels and the rest were oil fired with hinged funnels. I like detail and idea of coaling scuttles on the deck. I also like the idea of the hinged funnel and mast and the open bridge. Here are a few more pix of a couple of my models. The ENVOY is in the military version and lightly weathered.The flat iron gunboat is a David Medcalf hull. The sailor in the head is reading a model boating magazine.The TID is is off the bench for a week while I finished the 40 ft. torpedo boat that can been seen in other pix of TID. Should be finished this weekend and then back to TID.
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Take my hat of to you superb models, nice paint work.
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ggeorge, attention to detail is fantastic
lovely boats,i'm so jealous
Mark
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Hi,
superb detailing, great job!
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Looking the part now, nice work (where's the CMB gone) :-))
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the stand you have made for the evnoy is fabulous :-)) All your models are 1st class!
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A superb job. We are learning much from your skill..
Barry
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Hi Guys,
This is my scratch built TID TUG, note the home built OXY ACETALINE Set, made from 2x different sized felt tip pens, some copper wire a short length of chain from a cheap necklace and 2x overall buttons for the wheels.
Len.
PS In the background are 3x barges made from Styrene ( A Ricky Webb Design ) The Digger is a guesswork one that I knocked up working on that the Operator would be 3" tall, again made from Styrene,electric wire for hydrolic hoses and dressmaking pins for the control levers.
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Cracking work there Ggeorge, she's really comming along nicely. Your attention to detail is most excellent, I wish mine were as good. Keep up the good work, it's very interesting to see her progress. All the best Dan.
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Stunning.....Superb....magnificent.......That's enough of the superlatives for now!!
Barry
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absolutely fantastic metal work :-))
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Very nice metalwork!
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Bravo!. A thing of beauty. And an inspiration to the rest of us.
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Lovely model. Have you come up with a real answer to "what does TID mean"? I still await a definitive answer....but none of you TID builders seem to know! So muchfor "research".
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Lovely model. Have you come up with a real answer to "what does TID mean"? I still await a definitive answer....but none of you TID builders seem to know! So muchfor "research".
Please, I did not mean that as an insult.....I would really and finally like to put a long standing question to rest.
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Hi Brian,
There seams to be no defined answer to this question. I am quoting from Issue #54 of ARCHIVE The Quarterly Journal for British Industrial and Transport History."Of the seemingly infinite number of the published guesses for what TID represents, TUG FOR INVASION DUTIES seems to be one of the most likely." Also the article and the photos on the TID is a must for a fan of the tug.
No insult taken and hope this will help.
G. George
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Great metal work
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Hi Bryan,
Sorry I spelled your name wrong.
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Hi Bryan,
Sorry I spelled your name wrong.
Don't worry about it....when I saw your name I thought you had a stutter. (just joking). Cheers. BY.
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Hi mate ,
Lovely model you are making, it looks if it could go in a museum display piece. If you are interested there are two good photo's of working coal fired TIDs No's 3 and 52 on this site "riverman.gotdns.com/gallery/index.php" which may be of interest to you. I hope I see your tug on the water at a mayhem event next year , it really looks brilliant.
David
P.S. Happy New Year to you.
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Hi ggeorge,
a master at work. I like to see the boat in the spring. Maybe I make it to the Fun Run.
All the best
Wilhelm
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Lookin good Gerry. :-))
John
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Wow, your steering system looks super. Is the rudder really turned by that chain, or is that just for show? Where is the servo?
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A turning wheel is way cool! Post more pics of your progress please.
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I really want to see your model when it is done, sounds like a true labour of love. I see your tug is grey, I mentioned a site earlier to you, it has TID52 when new under white ensign when she was attached to the Nore Command, if that is of interest to you.
David
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Nice! Are you going to add counterweights too?
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Gerry:
Good chunk of weight. Is that what it took to balance it out the way we were thinking?
John
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THAT,S VERY NEAT
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THAT IS SUPER BIT OF WORK :-)) :-))
BEST REGARDS JASON
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Very nice!
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Beautiful brasswork!
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Nice work as usual Gerry
John
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Nice work Gerry despite the long way round to get to it. Turned out worth it in the end.
John
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Like you, for me it is the cowl vents that I find difficult. You have done a great job of yours by the way.
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Hi ggeoge,
you are not just a scratch builder you are a master. I am learning daily from all the Mayhemers.
Best
Wilhelm
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Very Very nice, thanks for the build.
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That is very impressive, your funnell is a work of art O0
Love all the brass work very nice build :-))
John B
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What an excellent set or 'real' life characters!
Nice find.
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Very impressive :-))
Would you have any links to where you got the figures
Mark
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George, a cracking series of photos showing us how to do it. beautiful workmanship there..
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Your metalwork is superb craftmanship. Is this how you earn(ed) a living?
Regards
Barry M
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Very nice steering wheel, it is going to turn when the rudder moves, right?
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Hi Members,
I just finished the towing hook. I did not have any photos of the actual towing hook on the TID so I relied on the drawing and went from there. Here are a few photos of the tow hook build. And Barry I did not make a living at this. I am just another marine modeler who has learner from other builders and a forum like this is one of the best learning places. I have learned plenty from my own mistakes. I make my living as a District Fire Chief with the city of Toronto. With almost 36 years under my belt I will be retiring in the end of June.
G. George
All the more credit to you, George. I learned metalwork as part of my apprenticeship but I would struggle to match you.
Regards,
Barry M
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Hi George ,
i dont think the word is board , the word on my lips is jelous of your skills with brass .
Keep up the work and please show us your productions :-)) :-)) .
daz
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shes looking tremendous mate, your certainly not boring us with this high quality detailing. the tow hook is spectacular metal work as well. is that solder you have used to join everything together?
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Hi George,
No, this is not a boring build. Please do not think so and keep on posting your build.
It's a facinating and clever piece of engineering.
Ron.
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GGeorge,
Did you order your propeller from America/overseas or did you find a dealer here in Ontario?
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Hi ZZ56,
The prop was purchased through the local hobby store. As most hobby shops in Canada seem to cater mostly to other hobby's such as the fly boys or the cars. They will not likely have the prop you are looking fore. But on the other side of it the hobby store may be abel to order what you are looking fore. I am in the Lindsay area and Hobby's & Beyond seem to have a good source for boat supplies. The TID prop is a 4in. and they got it in for me. You can probely go on line and locate a source in Canada or the US. Our local club try to use the local hobby shop as much as possible and they have increased the boating supplies. So for what it is worth I advise all modelers to use there local hobby shops even if it happens to be a few pennies more or the down side is there will not be a local hobby shop.
G. George
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ONE WORD FOR THIS BUILD.
INCREDABLE O0 O0 O0
Keep pictures comming ,John B
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Thanks George.
Next time I am in Toronto or Ottawa i will see if any shops there have propellers. I always try to support a hobby store somewhere, mostly because ordering things online is so expensive (40 bucks for a Dumas prop that may be too small, eesh!)
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Hi GGeorge,
Only just seen this thread, and what a thread it is, you have a lot to be proud of, your engineering is first rate and your soldering is VERY good for an amateur!!!
With skills like this have you considered making a live steam plant to power her?
Especially now you have retired (?), you'll have the time on your hands...
Greg
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Well worth the effort. :-))
ken
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Indeed, the paint job looks very nice.
So what about a steam plant for the tug?
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just read this post from the start for the first time and ime gobsmaked amazing and all i can say is this izent a boat its a peace of art work and craftsmanship :-))
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Man that is INCREDABLE what are putting together there.. :-)) any more picture you can add I will be watching for sure.
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Jerry:
Here's one thread on black smoke. Don't know how helpful it'll be though:
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15862.0
John
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Hello Gerry and congratulations on the maiden voyage of your TID tug. She looks just great! :-)) :-)) :-)) Even better, congratulations on the retirement. Thanks God that you have enough hobbies otherwise you wouldn't know what to do with all the retirement cheques. I hope that you and John will have a great time in England. O0 O0 As a matter of fact I will be in Germany and Italy around the same time.
All the Best
Wilhelm
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She looks absolutely amazing on the water and continues to be a fascinating build. Thanks for sharing the pictures with us it's really great to see her getting wet at last and obviously performing well.
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Great photos.....Congratulations Gerry. :-)
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:-)) Great Job! Actually, friend of mine owned a TID Hull since 1986. The Hull is from (Kingston Model) %)4? inch. I think your "TID" making process can be a demo program for all people who wanted to built this ship. Thanks for your sharing :} :}
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Thanks so much for this - the level of information and photographs you've provided is tremendous, and the skills you have displayed are something else.
I'm just starting to build a TID tug from an MMM kit as an absolute novice, and the story of your build will be invaluable.
Well done!
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Welcome back.....You have been missed. ore beautiful work to be admired... :-)) :-)) :-))
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Those fitting are really nice. Did you make them yourself?
Does the whistle work?
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Those fitting are really nice. Did you make them yourself?
He makes everything himself! I'll bet he even made the little hex head screws :-)
Guy
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He makes everything himself! I'll bet he even made the little hex head screws :-)
Guy
Yup, he did !
John
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And then covers all that craftsmanship in paint........Criminal
I would polish it
Mark
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Okay so now I finally surrender......Life is just not fair.......Why can't I do things like that.......(now stamping feet)... >>:-( <*< <:( <:( <:( <:( <:(
I AM NOT JEALOUS......much.. %) %) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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Hi All Mayhem Crews and Families,
On behalf of myself and my wonderful wife who encourages me in this crazy hobby I would like to wish you all a very merry Christmas and all the best in the new year. I hope Santa is very good and there are lots of new projects under the tree to keep you busy in the new year.
MERRY CHRISTMAS,
G. George
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Great build!You are a master.
Merry Christmas and Happy new year!
George
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Beautiful work George.
I wish you and yours a Merry Christmas and a healthy and prosperous New Year.
Best
Willy
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Great build!
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A master at work. ... :-)) :-))
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I usually do not write much here, but today I want to thank you for this fantastic building report.
I'm looking forward to continuing.
Greetings from Germany, Lothar :-))
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Hi,
Well I have just spent the last 2 hours at work going through this thread from the start and it is fantastic to say the least, keep up the good work and stop painting all the lovely brass work.
Thanks
Adie
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top class workmanship
keep up the good work
look forward to seeing more
Alan
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I wish i have your courage to work with brass like that...
Just amazing!
George
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I have only watched this thread occasionally but now I watch it with total amazement - absolutely brilliant workmanship. :-)) I could never aspire to anything like this but I am now hooked on watching your progress. :-) :-)
Derek.
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Beautiful brass work again & again ggeorge :-)) it is a treasure ....in OZ we have a locally manufacture product called "Metal Magic" ......it does not contain the methylated spirit base that 'Brasso' type products have....& hence I can polish boiler bands without damaging the paintwork ....the package suggests that it also protects.....it does not leave any residue on the brass surface but clearly retards oxidation time over the other 'spirit' based metal polishes O0........Derek
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ggeorege....the web site is
www.rubbedin.com.au
Hope this helps.....it is an excellent product O0 ....Derek
BTW...
1) do you use a small butane gas flame for the majority of your brass soldering work?
2) do you use a 5% ferric chloride solution as your soldering flux....or the zinc chloride 400g/L?
It is true ....the things our dads taught us.........when soldering....cleanleness is next to godleness....... :-)) O0
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Another tip- for really precise solder work where you can't afford for solder to run where it shouldn't- pass the work piece over a candle yellow flame, the solder will not adhere to the carbon- just rub away where you want the solder to run.
Greg
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Awesome!
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Wonderful! So the screws actually work to thighten them closed?
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Aw some how doe's this guy do it i find reading his build better then sex i must get out more.
Sentry.
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He does it with a great deal of patience and verrry carefully. And yes, the hatch tie downs do work.
John
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Hello,
Verry good job! :-))
Kénavo, Philippe!
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Fantastic thread and a big thank-you for posting all those pics of the parts before and after assembly. It's definately helping me with brass work.
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Way cool!
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George,
Once again, your work leaves me totally gobsmacked.......Absolutely superb. I am green with envy at your skill:::: :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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SUPERB!
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Am I the only one to thinking George has magic elves working for him?!?! :kiss:
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Am I the only one to thinking George has magic elves working for him?!?! :kiss:
You found out his secret. He was hoping no one would figure it out. The little devils are all over the place {-)
John
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Absolutely exquisite work :-)) It makes me feel very inadequate <:(
Peter.
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Truly amazing Jerry, still have a Bombadier on the fridge when your back over, can't find a decent stream to watch the Canada-Norway game so I might as well go to bed.
Hi to John,
Robert
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Truly amazing Jerry, still have a Bombadier on the fridge when your back over, can't find a decent stream to watch the Canada-Norway game so I might as well go to bed.
Hi to John,
Robert
Robert:
G'day. I hope you're keeping well.
John
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Am I the only one to thinking George has magic elves working for him?!?! :kiss:
Perhaps you should borrow them Martin and ditch the gremlins. O0
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Just as a mater of interest, looking at your superb brasswork, I got to wondering how heavy this model will be.
A truly beautiful job of work. BY.
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Hi Robert. You missed a good game. Hope all is well. Every thing is still frozen solid here.
...BBC in their ultimate wisdom put it on through their interactive service, the daughter woke me at 230 and asked me why I was watching ice hockey so late, silly girl.
Anyway, saw all 8 goals and deliberating about the effects we will have on the Swiss, nothing personal. I'm contemplating writing the BBC and revoking my telly license, which in essence is highway robbery.
Can you imagine the uproar if the CBC didn't air these matches, and poor Don Cherry would be out of a job,
right teatime
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I bought all white metal fittings for my first tug, when they where delivered I decided they where to heavy (Plus not very nice) so set about making some in brass, I found they probably worked out about half the weight, plus they where custom made to my boat , I think fittings have come a long way since then and some of the resin fittings are very nice now and I will use them, I also but some brass fittings because I dont mind making one fitting its a challenge but to make 20 the same is a pain (thats why I am playing CNC) so brass can be lighter plus you get satisfaction from making them ( unless its 12 vents for a fire boat in brass)
Peter
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Ive just spent an entertaining 2 or 3 hours reading your thread from day one - Im half way through my second model
which contains a lot of brass in the form of lattice masts and radar platforms etc and I really thought I had improved my
soldering techniques until I saw what you can build - it is brilliant an Im very jealous. The compass is a work of art -
how did you dome the cover and is it all silver soldered or ordinary solder that you use?
Please keep the pictures coming Im learning so much.
a green with envy Pugwash
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Aye, his metal-forming skills are second to none while his soldering cannot be improved upon for neatness of joint. Defines what's meant by a 'craftsman'.
Barry M
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Looks good!
John
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wonderful metalwork 8)
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Impressive!
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that is amazing ten out of ten for that build
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Just to put you one over the top. O0
John
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Lovely Tid Tug and what a clean and tidy workshop, very envious of that lathe.
On my Tid I used the material fron a dark blue cotton pillow case.
Regards,
Len.
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She's beautiful ggeorge,are you bringing her to Kitchener in July? A sure winner.
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Wonderful!!!
Can't wait to see her on the water! :-))
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Simply magnificent George... :-)) :-)) :-))
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Stunning model and I've really enjoyed the build. Can't see what else there is to do looks perfect
already
Pugwash
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Wow, that's a great model. Sure to win a gold medal.
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Excellent work George :-))
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That's a real beauty george:-)) :-)) :-))
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As a newcomer; all I can do is sit an drool and hope to aspire to a small
poriton of your excellence. well done sir. yours in awe Tony :-)) :-))
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...I guess the ice should be clear below the Falls now, and you can have the maiden voyage, well done Jerry.
Robert
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It has been a very enjoyable build to follow and and the end result is stupendous.
Considering your line of work have you ever considered building a fireboat
many cities have them round the world and I should think it would not be above
your capabilities to have all the fire monitors fully working
Pugwash
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It has been a very enjoyable build to follow and and the end result is stupendous.
Considering your line of work have you ever considered building a fireboat
many cities have them round the world and I should think it would not be above
your capabilities to have all the fire monitors fully working
Pugwash
Go on Gerry,....... show em a a picture. ;)
John
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A work of art....and i'm as jealous as hell at your modelling skills :((
Voyager
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Thinking about the next project, Any suggestions?
Yeah, a log cabin out in a corner of Old Iron's place, for me and the missus.
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John's probably already got an old barn ready for you to sleep in :}
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John's probably already got an old barn ready for you to sleep in :}
Got a barn, but the caboose would probably be more comfortable.
John
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Got a barn, but the caboose would probably be more comfortable.
John
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:-) HELLO i thought your cmb was amazing but words cannot give your hard word and very skilled labour enought credit !!
you have told us what tools you use to solder with but cold you let us have list of all the other tools you use then at least i might have the right tools try and reach your very high standard of work cos when i try to make small items out of brass but they always look as rough as badgers a**E
i,m still quite new to building model r/c boats and find i enjoy making them as much if not more than sailing them
i have a small but slowly increasing amount of tools in my little shed
regards Andy
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Hi all ...& GG...you will remember the accolades many have offered re your many brass ~~~~ metal components & the detail skills you have displayed in this build....... :-)) & an inspiration to all other model builders
To a new Mayhem member...simply looking at the completed vessel photographs does not portray the detail beneath that drab white paintwork <:(
I just don't know how the Mayhem WEB site could highlight the need to go backwards in the build thread, apart from you offering your build thread to the Mayhem Master Class Folder O0 ....Derek
OK.....I see the note from Martin..... "I agree, a masterpiece and it's nearly there - "Entries in this section will generally deal with complete build projects only"
So maybe in a few weeks GG? .........
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A soon as it gets it maiden voyage Derek! :-)
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A soon as it gets it maiden voyage Derek! :-)
Its already had it Martin O0
John
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A soon as it gets it maiden voyage Derek! :-)
Its already had it Martin O0
John
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I thought that was sea trials ok2
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picky....picky ok2
John
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I just don't know how the Mayhem WEB site could highlight the need to go backwards in the build thread, apart from you offering your build thread to the Mayhem Master Class Folder OK ....Derek
A soon as it gets it maiden voyage Derek! Happy
Its already had it Martin O0
John
All right, when she gets her first outing in her final colours.
.... what do the ship yards call it when they hand a ship over to her new owners?
SEA TRAILS! That's it!!!!
Sorry, I seem to be typing out loud... sun stroke I think!
Geaoge;
1. When are next sea trials?
2. Do you want us to tidy up the tread for before we move it to the Master Class section?
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Sorry, I seem to be typing out loud... sun stroke I think!
Geaoge;
1. When are next sea trials?
2. Do you want us to tidy up the tread for before we move it to the Master Class section?
Tidy it up, is that safe in your condition Martin ? {:-{
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ROFL easy Martin, we don't want to loose you. {-)
John
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The detail you have here is fantastic GGeorge, but surely crewmembers were proactive in their keeping a permanent 5 o clock shadow? That guy looks altogether too Bond vilain, perhaps that's what you wanted... %)
Greg
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The poor boy has been working himself to a frazzle trying to get the TID finished for the Great Lakes Model Boat Association meet this past weekend. He got his boat on the table and collapsed.
John
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What a beauty :-)) :-)) :-))you deserve a rest after creating such a superb model
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I thought all the pictures were excellent so I moved them all!
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Simply the best TID I've ever seen. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
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what smoke system did you use
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what material did you use for around the bridge
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Hello all, I am a relativley new member, I was directed here to see this TID build, I am absolutely amazed and very much inspired by this build.
Hats off to this Gent ...
Cant say enough about the fabrication skills.
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I saw you on RCTV today, nice job, and an incredible build.
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Your T.I.D. looks splendid! I hope mine turns out half as good as yours.
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Hi I'm a newcomer to the site, gradually reading through the many great posts and builds. Georges TId build was the most fascinating couple of hours, well worth it. What a very talented guy, I take my hat off to you sir. Not all fire officers are that clever, I did 32 years in the London fire brigade and I couldn't do that level of workmanship!. Once again congratulations, on a magnificent build. By the way what was your first build and was it as good as the last?
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very impressive looks fantastic....its some thing i could never make..nice one :-))