Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: Peter Fitness on July 11, 2010, 11:30:39 pm
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Hungarian modeller, Laszlo Winkler, is also building a model of the Armidale Class. He contacted me for any information I could give, which I was happy to do.
He has sent me some photos of his model under construction, and given me permission to post them on the forum. He also included 2 photos of his model of a Fremantle Class patrol boat, predecessor to the Armidales in the Royal Australian Navy. His model depicts HMAS Gawler, and I'm sure you will agree that he has done a wonderful job O0
Peter.
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Peter,
Was the Freemantle class the AJP kit?
Bob
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Bob, as far as I'm aware, the Fremantle is scratch built by Laszlo.
Peter.
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Hi for All here,
We build everything on Fremantle and any other boat too. The hull and the deck made of resin-fieberglass, the cabins part is made of styrol, the smal parts made of alu, copper, wood or any other material.
The boats hull's core made of wood - you can see this the Armidale's on pictures - after this we make a template - this will be the next step - and get out hulls from this template. In fact 3 hull - and hope 3 boats - will be built in Budapest - this is the plan at this moment . The pictures come soon.
Laszlo
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Hi,
Here are some new pictures about the core .....
It looks like a boat.
Laszlo
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Hi for All,
Here are two new pitures about "hungarian" Armidale. We just now finished the half part of the temlate. Yoou can see that ....
Laszlo
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Hi,
We have finished he first "Hungarian" Armidale hull.
Here are some pictures about template and the finished hull.
Laszlo
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Some pictures again ....
The fleet are being built.
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They are looking good, Laszlo :-)). You are going to have a whole flotilla of the Armidale class O0 They should look good together on the water when they are all finished.
Peter.
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Will one of those be the HMAS Hammersley?
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Will one of those be the HMAS Hammersley?
I resisted the temptation to call my Armidale class Hammersley, as it only exists in the TV show, "Sea Patrol". Instead called her HMAS Bundaberg, which does exist, mainly because of family connections to the city of Bundaberg.
Peter.
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Laszlo
Great work on the hulls that you have produced. I am looking forward to seeing your progress in the coming months.
I think the Armidales are a great looking ship and it seems that they are starting to become more popular as models. I have been running a 1/72nd scale Armidale for a couple of years now and I am currently building four others in various scales one of which is in 1/50th scale similar to your models.
Steve.
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Hi All,
Peter, can you tell me your propellers diameter cause we have no agrement for 35mm or 40mm propellers will be the best for the 1/50 Armidale ... ?
Today was the my club's last action this year. Here are some pictures about it .....
Laszlo
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You're very good my friend! I really enjoyed the photos with the molding busines!!!
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Peter, can you tell me your propellers diameter cause we have no agrement for 35mm or 40mm propellers will be the best for the 1/50 Armidale ... ?
Laszlo, the propellers on my 1/50 Armidale are 30mm 5 blade props from George Sitek, his web site is here http://www.gsitek-props.co.uk/products.asp?cat=13 (http://www.gsitek-props.co.uk/products.asp?cat=13) They give a very realistic speed.
Peter.
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Hi Peter,
Thanks for the info.
We are thinking about this : http://www.hobby-lobby-modellbau.com/onlineshop/product_info.php/info/p2877_5-Blade-Propeller-35-mm-M4-right----168-13.html with graupner 500 motors and a raboesch bow-thrushter : http://www.hobby-lobby-modellbau.com/onlineshop/product_info.php/info/p2422_RABOESCH-Bow-Thruster-G2-19-mm----108-02.html
Laszlo
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Laszlo, those props look great, and the bow thruster is the same as the one I used.
Peter.
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Peter,
I take it that the props in photo are inwards rotating, that is they both turn towards the keel.
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I take it that the props in photo are inwards rotating, that is they both turn towards the keel.
Yes, they do O0
Peter.
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Thanks. :-))
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Pardon my 'higerance' but why do they need to be inward turning? {:-{
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Pardon my 'higerance' but why do they need to be inward turning? {:-{
It makes for more precise steering. If both props rotate in the same direction the boat tends to steer favouring one side. This is also more pronounced when going astern.
Peter.
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Thanks for that Peter, it makes sense.
Is there any reason for both turning inward towards the keel at the top (as yours appear to do) or to the bottom?
I can only think that turning inward towards the keel at the top might combine the washes better and give more speed.
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It directs the water flow into the rudder area from low down, which then rises up through the blade and gives better steering performance. If the water was pushed out above the blade it would go over the top with the wash and steering would be weaker.
Hope this helps
ken
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Hi Ken
It's an interesting thought, but if Peters props are turning in towards the keel then would not the water be moving down the rudder shaft?
I suppose it might depend on how far the rudders are from the props and their pitch as to which way the water moves. Also how close the props and rudders are to the hull.
It might be worth experimenting with. Change motor direction and props over to see which combination gives the best steering and / or speed.
Regards
Brian B6
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A couple of interesting images of a 1:1 Armidale underside showing the direction of rotation of the props.
I have removed the first picture as the site seemed to contain links to other innapropriate sites. Please ensure this does not happen again. Thanks for your understanding BB
(http://s2.postimage.org/ybtpw9r8/ACPB_props.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/ybtpw9r8/)
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Goodness.....sjbatche..... that is an interesting image .... :-)) ... and they also look prototypical of the intended propellors to be used by Laszlo - Derek
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Does anyone have any idea why the ACPB was on the back of that truck & where was it going?
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Mean looking pair of props. O0 O0 O0
If you can believe the media they are economising on fuel costs %) %) %)
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Hi Steve
When I said I wanted the big one I meant 1:50 not 1:1
Brian
p.s.
I am not sure if Australia Post have enough stamps.
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It looks as if the props turn away from the keel rather than towards it. Port anticlockwise and stbd. clockwise unlike Peters.
So where does that leave our discussion?
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Brian
Ha, Ha, Ha. I'm glad that you only want a 1:50th scale hull as I think that a 1:1 hull might be just a bit too big to fit on my workbench.
Steve.
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Hi Ken
It's an interesting thought, but if Peters props are turning in towards the keel then would not the water be moving down the rudder shaft?
Regards
Brian B6
Hello again.
Don't forget the boat is moving forwards and the prop wash will be directed horizontally at the moment they leave the blades because of the pressure of the water below, straight into the leading edge of the rudder.
If the props are turning the other way, the water will rise into the air above the water line and look pretty in the sunlight and flow over the top of the rudder in a plume. You might even see a rainbow. :}
Mind you, I could be wrong. ;)
ken
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Hi for All,
I start to work with trimm. Jus some pictures about it.
Laszlo
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Hi for All,
The hard work is going on ....
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Hi,
Sorry but I had (have) some serious problem and could not work with my Armidale.
I finished the trimm... sone pictures here about them.
Laszlo
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Laszlo, great work. Pictures look good. Those tabs are great. Makes me think it may be possible to have working rams??
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spenyo ....in image 1723 it appears that the cylinder barrel couplings are left & right hand threaded like a turn buckle :-))......is this the case or do my eyes deceive me %%
So from this will you adjust the trim tabs after the vessel is complete & fully ballasted?.......Derek
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Hi Spenyo
Glad to see you back. O0
I have sent you an email.
Have you decided what to call your Armidale? There is a list names of 1:50 boats, built or building in the:- "Armidale Class Patrol Boat - Names Register" topic, that you might like to add to.
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Hi Guys,
We are working on two boats in same time. "Launcheston" will be mine and the "Armidale" will be my friend's boat.
Derek, you could see well that the trimm cylinder barrel couplings are left & right hand threaded and the plan is when finished the boat we try to trimm it for best speed. After this connect to them two-two black "tube" which look like the hidraulic tubes.
Laszlo
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Thanks Laszlo
The names register has been updated.
Can you add the name of your friend?
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He is an old retired modeller : Lajos Fekete. He live in Budapest too.
Laszlo
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Hi All,
I have finished the first crane. It needs some refinement, but mainly done.
Have anybody got picture(s) the whole crane unit ? I had to use the model's plan, a half picture - thanks Peter - and my fantasy to finish it.
Laszlo
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Here are a smal bunch pictures of my club made program at the begining of october.
Laszlo
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Hi for All,
I had a little time and can work with Launcheston. I have built in the bowtrushter and the stairs on the back side.
Here are some pictures about it.
Need some tubes for hidraulic imitation, but it looks like the real.
Laszlo
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She is coming along nicely. O0
What material have you used for the trim tabs and rudders?
It is interesting to see models of the older Hungarian warships from your club.
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Hi Lazlo
I know you requested pics of the crane a while a go but i hope this helps. :-)
(http://s13.postimage.org/4sil7eabn/008_3.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/4sil7eabn/)
Glen
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Hi Glen
That will help me as well.
Any chance of a pic from the ends?
"May the 'force' be with you" %%
Small 'f' I notice.
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I recall about thirty years ago, whe I was starting out modeling, I learnt to put steel wool in water for a few days, and then use the rusty water for detailing the decks etc to look 'used'.
There appears to be a fair amount of coffee stain on the decks of that boat. ;-)
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I recall about thirty years ago, whe I was starting out modeling, I learnt to put steel wool in water for a few days, and then use the rusty water for detailing the decks etc to look 'used'.
There appears to be a fair amount of coffee stain on the decks of that boat. ;-)
Thats because the crews drink mugs and mugs of coffee O0 O0 which invariably gets spilt on the decks in rough seas.
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Mmm Wish it was coffee and not rust stains from the crane they never use until it needs to be fixed for survey. {-)
Here are a couple more pics that may help you all.
(http://s13.postimage.org/nmquu75qr/010_2.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/nmquu75qr/)
(http://s8.postimage.org/66roiyfht/009_3.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/66roiyfht/)
Glen
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Thanks Glen
I must remember not to make the deck tooooo smooth. %%
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Thanks Glen
I must remember not to make the deck tooooo smooth. %%
And have plenty of brooms near by.
Thought that was something that the Submariners did, that is fly a broom at masthead.
Seriously what is the crane used for.
Judging by the coffee stains it wouldn't want to used to it's limit unless it has a high safety factor.
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We had a stainless steel crane on the Minehunter :} no rust and ours got used all the time :-)
Flying a broom is used to boast of a "Clean Sweep" ie all torpedoes fired scoring a hit. Not sure but I think it may have started as a Yank tradition.
Nick
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mmmm :o be rest assured RaaArtyGunner
1. The deck is high tensile aluminium plate to AS Wopply Wop & the anti-skid ablative coating is only stained...by the metallic rust from above
2. I understand that the lower steel plate structure of the electro/hydraulic hoist [which is depicted with surface corrosion] is from AS ....Grade 350 plate & with a 4:1 FOS on yield in the Naval design Standards = 1400 Mpa stress within the structure prior to failure <*<
The structure if maintained........ %) will never fracture or fail..............Derek :P
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mmmm :o be rest assured RaaArtyGunner
The structure if maintained........ %) will never fracture or fail..............Derek :P
Derek,
Now there be the question for a land lubber, if maintained, and I specifically noticed all the coffee on the cables and pulley/wheels on the crane? O0 O0 O0
But what does it lift?
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:embarrassed:...
1. the coffee stains on the cables [wires] are I suspect are a combination of Copper Kote & Denso + fish oil O0
2. the SWL lifting capacity is clearly shown as 850kg @ 6.5M reach ...if they would only bring the TV series back ....we could see. :kiss: ........did the crane lift the Zodiacs back on board? %)
3. one must remember an RAN vessel on deployment >>:-( may not have sufficient time in port when refueling to attend to minor blemishes & cosmetic surface corrosion
4. naturally these issues are rectified during periods of refit ..........Derek
http://postimage.org/image/2xs78t8tg/
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another double post.......... <*< ....sorry......could a moderator please delete....... :-))
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Derek,
Thanks, just thought it was a bit of overkill, if only to lift the Zodiacs, unless, even with 6.5 metre reach, the Zodiacs all up weight is sizeable.
Can't have been doing much "launching/retrieval" as in the TV series else the cables would be "polished bright" with use. %) %) %) %)
Probably because it moves they salute it O0 O0 {-) {-)
Now Ya know i ain't a sailor boy. O0 O0
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Hi Brian,
The trimm and the rudder made of circuit PCB (3mm thik) fiberglass - the copper film was removed.
The stairs is made also fiberglass but it is only 1mm thik.
Laszlo
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Hi Brian,
The trim and the rudder made of circuit PCB (3mm thick) fiberglass - the copper film was removed.
The stairs is made also fiberglass but it is only 1mm thick.
Laszlo
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Hi for All,
I could work my boat again - just four tube but they look good.
And here is something other ...
I designed a circuit for my scale boats - and use one of them a few month in another boat.
It is a PIC controlled circuit. There are 10 LED output - one of the PWM for flash imitation - 5 high current output - one of the PWM for motors, or any other thing - a foghorn and an alarm siren.
A power supply with BEC.
These outputs are controlled maximum 3 Rx chanel.
Laszlo
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I am not surprised that there have been no replies to your last post Laszlo.
I, for one, am speechless at your abilities and the beautyful layout. :-)) :-))
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Hi,
I put these pictures for those who want to build the circuit. I share the plan and the program with pleasure.
It is possible to use it for any kind of boat - cargo-, war- or any other type.
There is a jumper on the PCB which allow to programming the board for two boat type - eg. there is no alarm siren on a cargo ship, or no need all channel to a simple speed boat - and to switch between the two program is just simple put the jumper to the other side.
ASZLO
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Hi for All,
Peter, thanks but I could make my account.
I have some new pictures. We start to make the parts of the deck and the bridge.
And another news - and pictures - that a young member of our club start to build a new "Fremantle".
Laszlo
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Beautyful work by both of you.
That Bofors is a work of art. I know having built 2 of them for my 'Dorina' corvette.
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Beautiful work by both of you.
I agree completely :-))
I'm glad you got your account sorted Laszlo, I couldn't help as I could not get to a computer.
Peter.
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Hi,
I'm working on dinghy's cranes. Some pictures about them ....
Laszlo
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I suppose this means Glen and I will have to start building them as well. %%
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About time Brian. (http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p8/DickyD_photos/Smileys/MOST_P1.gif)
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I suppose this means Glen and I will have to start building them as well. %%
Nah, they are optional extras, Captains discretion, your the Captain, yes, O0 O0 %% %%
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After the radar, TV camera (which is taxing my meagre brain {:-{) and loud hailer. O0
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Hi,
There was my club's spring regatta in the City Park again. Here are some pictures about it.
Laszlo
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Hello,
Sorry for delay ... There were several things in my life and forget to come up to here..The boat is almost ready. Here are some pictures about it.The plan that it will be on water in spring or sumer and put here a short video about it...
Laszlo
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.. I forgot the pictures ...
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Try it again..
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Well done. Like the ladders for RHIB access
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It's been a long time Laszlo, but well worth waiting for. A beautiful model, well done :-))
Peter.
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Hello,
Here is the boat full finished status ...The masts and the antennas can be easily removed for transport.At an exhibition, she managed to win second place.