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Title: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 01, 2014, 10:43:56 am
This is my attempt at building a working model of the type 23 using the centre hull joint for access, there are other ways of modify ing the hull, this is my attempt , I really believe I can do this, you should read Kaptain Bill Thomas, s series of article's on mayhem as he relates his experience of building and sailing submarines.
This a nice kit, the one real problem with it is getting the main hull sections to line up and stay butted up to make a good joint, try dry fitting the hull together,  or hold it together with masking tape.

In the end I gave in, that was December,  about  march I had another go , I had read an article on vac form models and how it was necessary to glue tabs along the inside edges of the model to give the joints strength, this what I did wth the bronco at points along the hull, it helped,.
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: U-33 on September 01, 2014, 02:18:36 pm
Mine just would not go together, so I gave up with it...put it on the floor and stamped on it. Several times.


Then filed it under B1N...


Rich
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 01, 2014, 07:08:56 pm
Mine nearly went the same way richard, here's another view of the plasticard wtc supports. The wtc is 65mm in diameter whitch sits nicely in the lower hull stern section and the aluminum bar in the upper and lower hull, the upper bar also supports the tower, regards pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: U-33 on September 01, 2014, 07:30:51 pm
Now I see what you meant, Pete...very neat solution to the problem.


Rich
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 01, 2014, 07:48:17 pm
Thanks richard, you never know, you might want to have another go, and dont mean jumping up and down on it, this view shows how the tower sits , the upper bar is missing the nut and bolt go  through the  hull  the bar then through a plasticard plate in the floor of the tower, regards pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: U-33 on September 01, 2014, 09:02:30 pm
That is very clever Pete...well impressive stuff.


Rich
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 01, 2014, 09:54:38 pm
Cheers Richard, in nutshell I've tried to do what robbe did with u47, exept with battery in the wet and used as ballast, screws and nuts on centre joint screws and nuts on the tower and the battery section, so to charge up the battery just drop out the hull section, the rest of the hull need never be taken apart except for wtc maintenance,  pete


Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: redboat219 on September 02, 2014, 02:46:06 am
Thanks for posting your Type23 build.

So the only thing that'll hold the front and rear sections together will be the bottom aluminum flat bar?
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 02, 2014, 03:43:19 pm
There two flat bar's an upper one which also holds the tower in place and lower one, regards pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 02, 2014, 03:52:26 pm
Tower mount bolt
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 03, 2014, 01:39:36 pm
The more I muck about with this boat the more I realise what a good kit it is and it probably would make a very good dynamic diver not having much freeboard on the surface, which means you dont have to have pumps and bags and stuff, and you're far more likely to get your boat back, well sometimes.
The pic I've posted is of the top of the tower and lower support deck , the periscope has athreaded rod in  the lower section of the of the scope, this allows the whole of inner tower deck, schnorkel df loop and other stuff to be removed to get at the tower bolt. Pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 03, 2014, 01:42:56 pm
View of tower with friction washer (o ring) on periscope,  pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 03, 2014, 01:47:33 pm
View of main connection screw holding fore and aft sections together, through conning tower hatch, there is another screw through the bar in the keel, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: U-33 on September 03, 2014, 02:23:34 pm
That is amazing, Pete...how on earth did you work that lot out? Makes me wish I'd waited before I built (or tried to build) mine.  <:(


Rich
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 03, 2014, 03:38:07 pm
I'm not sure myself richard its weird the stuff that pops into your head while your waiting for scs to turn up, just thought I'd have a look at 505, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 03, 2014, 03:43:14 pm
Build so far
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: U-33 on September 03, 2014, 04:47:12 pm
Get them holes opened up, mate...you know you want to!

Rich
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 03, 2014, 10:09:59 pm
Mmmmmm I'm really tempted, back to the bronco, view of main propshaft  bearing and the lower cut away access panel, I cut all of the panels out with razor saw, before joining the hull sections and also where possible cut behind the weld lines , so that when the battery holder panel is offered up to the main hull, the joins are not as noticeably,  pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 04, 2014, 09:38:53 am
Ive found a set of micro drill bits, while strictly is on the telly  could  do the deck on 505, .........
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: U-33 on September 04, 2014, 10:10:21 am
Ha ha...I knew you couldn't resist!!

Rich
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 05, 2014, 08:43:56 am
Hi richard, im in hull marina at the moment just got internet connection,  saw the post about the krick its the plastic hull version, and yes im tempted to drill those holes, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 09, 2014, 08:17:14 pm
After a brief pause and a check over, the hull with battery in place keeps its rigidity, a view of the hull showing battery cutaway.
Have begun fitting the fiddly bits like the life raft hatch lugs, rungs all very small, or my hands are too big, next rudder rear planes and stabilisers and cams, then ballast and trim test, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: U-33 on September 09, 2014, 08:27:30 pm
That's looking real good, Pete...keep it coming.


Rich
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 09, 2014, 08:31:06 pm
Thanks richard,  here's a view of the battery housing under construction,  pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 09, 2014, 08:37:47 pm
Another view of wtc in situ showing battery connections and air connection tube to airbag, regards pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 09, 2014, 08:41:43 pm
Oops here's the pic
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 11, 2014, 01:18:44 pm
Bath trial  went ok, stern heavy and low in the water, that can be sorted , started the paint job , two colours , light gray and dark sea gray and no boot topping, with a little weathering
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 11, 2014, 01:22:05 pm
Also found a crew, they were part of the italeri biber kit, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: redboat219 on September 11, 2014, 03:49:41 pm
"Captain, you're looking a little pale."
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: Netleyned on September 11, 2014, 04:01:14 pm
"Captain, you're looking a little pale."

Not much chance of sunbathing on this old barge.
High Command turned down the request for a sun bed  <:(

Ned
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 11, 2014, 04:04:39 pm
I will get round to giving the crew a paint job , promise, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 11, 2014, 04:11:28 pm
Torpedoes in the tubes, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 11, 2014, 04:14:22 pm
The very bijou conning tower station, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: U-33 on September 11, 2014, 04:18:08 pm
Cracking work, Pete...looks really good. Makes me wish I hadn't lost my rag with mine...   :embarrassed:


Rich
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: redboat219 on September 11, 2014, 04:19:39 pm
Imagine 5 people standing on that small bridge when the alarm sounds.
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 11, 2014, 05:15:42 pm
Yep that would be especially for the captain, thanks for the comments rich, still loads to do paint wise, still got the glazing and two sets of tiny l mean tiny running lights to go in there, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: essex2visuvesi on September 11, 2014, 09:00:18 pm
You must have a very understanding wife/partner..... building on the dining table with a white tablecloth on it  <*<
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 11, 2014, 09:19:49 pm
I have , two tea towels and a cutting mat, I can be trusted apart from the time I hoovered the cat food up with the dyson, I just hope she doesnt read this post, pete

Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: U-33 on September 11, 2014, 09:35:29 pm
Could have been worse, mate...could have been the cat gone up the hoover   :o


Rich
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 12, 2014, 03:40:47 pm
More paint, and I keep catching and bending the antenna, should have used  brass wire, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 12, 2014, 03:49:33 pm
A view of the rear plane assembly, using an electrical connector to join the  shaft halves and brass sleeve with a ball joint on one end , the angular bracket  in picture holds the wtc in place behind the battery holder, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 12, 2014, 03:52:56 pm
This the u47 tec rack from german ebay, 55 euros, no rods tho, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 18, 2014, 08:02:27 pm
The bath test , the boat began to roll over, it was ok last time,   I had stood the battery upright  which  altered the water line cg, once the battery laid flat , much better, the water line isnt quite there but its not bad, next job  achievi   ng dived trim, mmmmm

Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 18, 2014, 08:06:28 pm
Stern waterline
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: U-33 on September 18, 2014, 08:41:34 pm
Love the subtle weathering job, Pete...looks just enough without going over the top.




Rich
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 19, 2014, 07:45:45 am
Thanks richard, diving trial next, attach rudder and stern plane linkages waterproof positive connection on battery and wtc, and well who knows, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: U-33 on September 19, 2014, 08:12:25 am
Fingers/hands/arms/legs/knees/eyes all crossed for a successful maiden dive, Pete...


Rich
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 19, 2014, 08:27:44 am
Torpedoes launched this morning , pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: U-33 on September 19, 2014, 08:30:44 am
Thanks mate...reload will on the way later this morning.


Rich
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: redboat219 on September 21, 2014, 01:54:31 am
Can't you fit the battery through the hull separation instead of the bottom cutout?
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 21, 2014, 07:13:49 pm
I suppose you could, the plan was to never having to open it up , but thats me it , seems  a good idea, the aft lower hull is removable to access  the charging and on of circuit,  once the battery is fitted it shouldn't need removal unless theres a problem, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 21, 2014, 10:08:10 pm
Ive just won a u25 , pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: U-33 on September 22, 2014, 08:04:22 am
The eBay One, Pete?


Rich
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 22, 2014, 02:24:59 pm
Yep , cant believe it, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: redboat219 on September 22, 2014, 03:53:31 pm
Pete,
         Can you provide a drawing or diagram showing the location of the wtc, battery and air bag?
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 25, 2014, 10:59:26 am
Hi redboat , this is the best l can do, looking at it again maybe I should have sited the wtc higher in the hull which would have allowed for more ballast below and increased its stability, regards pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: redboat219 on September 25, 2014, 11:31:59 am
Perfectly OK. :-))

I see no provisions for controlling your bow planes. So I assume these will fixed. 

BTW, Can you post close up photos of the access panels for the stern plane control linkages.
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on September 28, 2014, 08:38:17 am
This is a view of the lower stern access panel , this pic was taken early on the build , instead of rod for rudder and stern planes , I used short length bowden cable, with bellows the inner cables are also o ringed onto the inner cable , because im  using rcabs all seals need to be 100%
You can just make out the back stop for wtc, which has now been drilled to hold the wtc in place, there will also be simple on off and battery charge connection, using a waterproof fuse holder,  when get some time I will post pics of its test run, pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: redboat219 on October 14, 2014, 03:28:37 pm
Any updates?
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on October 14, 2014, 09:30:37 pm
The boat is about ready  to go waiting for a smaller battery , just got a waterproof fuse holder to use as charge socket , on off, will post more pics , pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on October 16, 2014, 08:28:52 am
View of the water proof fuse holder, regards pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: redboat219 on December 09, 2014, 02:29:13 am
Any updates on this build. :((
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on December 09, 2014, 10:20:21 pm
sorry redboat been tied up with end of term assessments  and paperwork ,hoping to sail it in the new year, will take some pics,regards pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: redboat219 on December 10, 2014, 01:02:05 am
Ok. Advance Merry Christmas to you.
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: mickyrubble on December 10, 2014, 04:42:27 pm
sorry redboat been tied up with end of term assessments  and paperwork ,hoping to sail it in the new year, will take some pics,regards pete
Keep the build going when you get time as im following it as well
 :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: redboat219 on April 03, 2015, 05:47:39 pm
Any new developments on this build?
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on April 03, 2015, 06:44:55 pm
Hi  unfortunately  I lost the boat at our slipway where i test my models,it is in deep water  there was a large air bubble Im hoping the wtc wasnt compromised, I have a sub aqua mate on stand by, its wrapped up in the wee.  , lets hope, Pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: salmon on April 03, 2015, 06:54:54 pm
Pete,
I am sorry to hear about the loss of your sub. This past summer, my XXIII also went missing. Still at the bottom of the lake. Sigh.
I hope your friend can find it and bring it back.
Peace,
Tom
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: redboat219 on April 03, 2015, 06:59:32 pm
 <:( <:( <:( I hope you recover her soon. Anything to share about the test before you lost her?
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: U-33 on April 03, 2015, 07:15:03 pm
Pete, I'm so sorry to read your post, mate...been there, done that, so I can sympathise with you. I hope your mate can locate the boat for you and bring her back.


Good luck mate, keep us informed.
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on April 05, 2015, 05:22:44 pm
Hi Richard  ,yes I'm  annoyed  with myself, I'm  back there tomorrow taking the dingy out to have a look, Pete
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: warspite on April 05, 2015, 05:32:41 pm
Maybe when U-33 has his motorflote complete he can get george have a look for you - i believe the motorflote will submerge at full speed, and with george's flatulance problem, he'll race along the bottom quite quickly till the pusher bars make contact and then surface - when he does you know where the sub is - possibly  :}
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: redboat219 on June 11, 2015, 03:38:57 am
What ever happened to your search and retrieval operation?
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: Davy1 on June 11, 2015, 05:32:41 pm
Sorry to hear about the loss of your sub, and it is easy to be wise after the event, but I never put a sub in the water unless I have put a Pinger on board:

http://www.theassociationofmodelsubmariners.com/t26-pingers-and-hydrophoneso (http://www.theassociationofmodelsubmariners.com/t26-pingers-and-hydrophoneso)

I have to say that after this length of time the Pinger battery would be flat anyway(lasts about a month) and the model will be covered in silt and difficult for a diver to spot (particularly in poor viz)

My sympathy goes with you and sad to say you may have to write this one off.

David
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on June 13, 2015, 09:14:58 am
Hi thanks for your comments I have been searching using  my dingy but as you  say its probably got a  good covering of silt, the water does drop in the winter,  we did lose three gnomes off  our mooring, please dont ask! , but i did find them in mud , I could always build another one.
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: Plastic - RIP on June 13, 2015, 09:22:50 am
Have you contacted your local sub-aqua club to see if they want to search for it?

They'd probably love to do something useful with their dives rather than just blowing bubbles in a gravel pit or swimming pool.
Title: Re: bronco type 23 build
Post by: petesubman on June 13, 2015, 01:12:54 pm
Hi yes had a diver friend have a look , visibility was was poor  but no joy, regards pete