Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: mermod on March 29, 2015, 09:23:50 am
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Just though I would show off my new tug Albert, she was built by a friend of mine but he no longer used it so passed it onto me to do with as I wish, possibly even take moulds and reproduce them, as such I now have about 6 family members and several friends with their hands up wanting them, I knew it was cute but really?
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(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3028_zpsfsipjb4f.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3028_zpsfsipjb4f.jpg.html)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3027_zpsstrjl6fv.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3027_zpsstrjl6fv.jpg.html)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3029_zpshsrkcxxp.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3029_zpshsrkcxxp.jpg.html)
Phill
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So after giving Albert a test run I have decided to take a mold of it, I was hoping to just give it a clean up and a coat of gloss ready for the molding process but I found after stripping it that its really out of whack, turns out it was carved from a block of foam that the owner found on the side of the road, he then glassed the outside and poured petrol in after to dissolve the foam.
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3134_zpssykcxv2v.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3134_zpssykcxv2v.jpg.html)
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In order to get the shape right but a tad more accurately I decided to cut him at the waterline and transfer the lines into CAD to clean them up a bit.
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3135_zpszhq8jiny.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3135_zpszhq8jiny.jpg.html)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3136_zpsrgymtsvh.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3136_zpsrgymtsvh.jpg.html)
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Interesting way of doing things mate. My personal opinion though would have been to leave the original alone and just design in in cad as a new project. I may be misunderstanding what you are doing, are you scanning the parts into cad or taking physical measurements?
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Hi Brian, taking measurements to transfer to CAD, I use Coreldraw as it works best with my laser but it's not much of a design package, mostly aimed at graphic design so I need some basic templates/measurements to get where I'm going, I could have started anew but I wanted to get as close as possible to the original shape.
Phill
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So after tracing the hull at the bottom, the cut line, the rubbing strip line and the handrail I sort of racked them up to generate the hull.
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3140_zpshfiohzv1.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3140_zpshfiohzv1.jpg.html)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3139_zps8ku4ptrt.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3139_zps8ku4ptrt.jpg.html)
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Pretty close and a lot more symmetrical :)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3141_zpspbx1bjlp.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3141_zpspbx1bjlp.jpg.html)
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(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3142_zpskqczfenr.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3142_zpskqczfenr.jpg.html)
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What's her OAL?.... LOA?!!
See looks about 300mm...
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Hi Martin, I haven't paid alot of attention to the OA sizes but its about 330 wide and 500ish long
Phill
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Albert in his element.
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/c04d1eeb-1033-4b64-ac49-cad8c52eeaea_zpsdxaf4kg9.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/c04d1eeb-1033-4b64-ac49-cad8c52eeaea_zpsdxaf4kg9.jpg.html)
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I really like this model. I think stuff like this out on the lake could attract more kids into wanting to get into the hobby.
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Hi Brian, that's precisely the reason I'm pushing ahead with the project.
Phill
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It's a cute tug with a cute name that should appeal to many, battle half won!
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Along similar lines. Downloadable plan too. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1404112
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I like that, looks nice.
Phill
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Albert looks like a great little tug.
Looking forward to seeing what you can do with it!
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I've had to slow down a little at the moment, I had a bit of a procedure done and am now nursing a few stitches in the small of my back that makes sanding uncomfortable :(
Phill
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Sorry to hear that Phill,
I had an op on my back that left some stitches in a similar place and it is ruddy uncomfortable so you have my deepest sympathies and understanding.
Alex
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Not much fun Alex but I couldn't sit around any longer so here's an update.........Albert the 2nd
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3146_zpshlblmkyl.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3146_zpshlblmkyl.jpg.html)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3147_zpsslvurgqr.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3147_zpsslvurgqr.jpg.html)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3148_zpse993juop.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3148_zpse993juop.jpg.html)
Phill
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Really looking excellent, those lines just scream fun sailing.
It's even bringing out the childish side in me enough to want to call one "Prince Albert" (don't google if you don't know!! )
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I didn't know and I did google it, even worse, I did an image search, I don't think I can still paint my daughters one pink :(
Phill
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My apologies Phill!
:embarrassed:
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No absolutely no need to apologise, I live for stuff like that :-)) as a matter of fact I am now sending you a blue waffle {-)
We may now both be banned.
Phill
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Been caught out with the waffle before!
Now, more on Topic, what are the dimensions of the Tug, it looks quite sizable from the pics?
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Just ducked down the shed to check the finished size for you (damned cold out there -1)
595mm long 325mm wide, top of the bow to the flat of the bottom 195mm the lowest point of the side is 90mm and the height of the stern is 150mm.
Phill
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When Albert arrived he had two very large bilge keels to help with tracking but I found they made the turns very sluggish so I'm opting for some simple rails on the bottom to help with straight running.
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The easy laser way of splitting dowels :)
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Here's a mock up of the skeg I plan to use, because it's for the kiddies I feel a lot safer when the rudder and prop is protected.
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3155_zpsmqi0zmg2.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3155_zpsmqi0zmg2.jpg.html)
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Since this has turned into a build log perhaps a friendly moderator would like to move it to the working vessels section?
Just a quick picture with the strips/rails attached ready to spray.
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3156_zpsffhkarvt.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3156_zpsffhkarvt.jpg.html)
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Phill
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I made up the mold for the skeg this afternoon, the idea is that it will locate onto a lug on the keel and fix on with a couple of nuts and bolts for easy removal.
This is only the master at this stage and will be cast in polyurethane resin.
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3165_zpsswabrtbz.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3165_zpsswabrtbz.jpg.html)
The locating lug
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and how it should look
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Nice sturdy skeg there.
The rudder looks quite small, for that size have you thought of going for a schilling rudder? (Link to Marty's thread (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=51291.0;topicseen))
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That's just the original rudder in place for looks, the finished one will go right down (or up in that pic) and nearly touch the skeg, it will also be flush with the trailing edge of the skeg.
Interestingly though, when I gave Albert a test run with that rudder it performed really well actually turning on the spot (once the original massive bilge keels were removed)
Phill
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That's a really nice little hull :-)) The skeg looks great also.
Mark
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Thank's Mark.
Stitches out today so back into it, finished master for the rudder in place for a check fit.
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Finally a coat of 2 pack paint, almost ready to take a mold, It looks like it's going to have to be a 3 piece mold as the strips on the bottom will stop it seperating sideways in 2 pieces.
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/IMG_0070_zpswbeejsrg.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/IMG_0070_zpswbeejsrg.jpg.html)
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Nice job sir! :o
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I do love a nice smooth surface!
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Thank's guys, normally I try to get the finish perfect straight from the gun but I picked up a small 3inch pneumatic polishing kit so I might try for a super perfect buffed finish when it hardens up.
Phill
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G'day Mermod,
I've been watching this with interest and it's really looking great.
Are there any plans to put this out as a kit, or at least hull and deckhouse.
Ian
NSW.
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Same question mate, brilliant so far, the idea of a come and sail model for anyone interested sounds great
Mark
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Thanks guy's that exactly what this project has turned into, hoping to have the kit ready for Christmas :) I'm aiming for cute, easy to assemble and a reasonable price.
Once the hull is done I will start work on the slot and tab laser cut wheelhouse which will all be 3mm ply to keep prices down, I already have a bunch of eager testers for the first prototypes.
Phill
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That's a lovely little boat, I could be interested if the price is right :-))
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Register my interest too.
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The weather down here has been awful lately, possibly the coldest I have experienced in the 20 years I have lived here so trying to get gel coats and polyester resin to go off has been a nightmare, however In the last couple of days I have managed to start molding Albert, looks like a 4 piece mold is going to be the best way to incorporate all the detail and still be able o get it out of the mold.
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3193_zpssxev95vp.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3193_zpssxev95vp.jpg.html)
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G'day Ray,
You've gone a little quiet!
Your weather has reached us here over the last few days and it's been awful. No snow at my place but not far away. Like you, the cold is affecting my work with the urethane being a bit more viscous and harder to vacuum. Can't warm it, or it pre-cures too quickly!
I'm hot to trot on one of these, as I have somebody really keen to learn to operate a model boat, and the small tug I have here to do the job doesn't appeal to her like Albert does! Most of my stuff is a bit fragile for beginners!
So, are you making a list, or do you want us to contact you by PM to give you the details and make a commitment?
Regards,
Ian.
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Hi Ian, yes I'm still alive down here, the cold has made things very slow, as we speak the first hull is in gel coat in the mold, I hope to be laying it up this afternoon, If it all goes well I will make the first one yours :), do PM me also as that sends a reminder to my Email (and I do forget things easily these days)
Phill
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If you don't mind my asking What work do you do with urethane?
Phill
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G'day Phill,
I owe you an apology, as I called you Ray by mistake. He's on another blog I'm following!
Google Ian Lindsay Models. Now I'm semi retired due to a bit ( big bit ) of RSI in both hands from 27 yrs of moulding! If you want, send me a PM off the website email address and we can talk, or I'll call you if you send me your number.
Was heavily into boats until the business kicked off full time in 89, then the hobby went out the window, and I'm now keen to dust them off and get back to it.
New lady has fallen in love with Albert, so need to get her on the water before she changes her mind!
Regards,
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Albert is finally out of the mold but man it's been a struggle, it's been crazy cold down here and getting resin to dry is a nightmare, the first hull was a mess thanks to the resin not kicking off in time but the first one is only really supposed to condition the new mold anyway so officially this is the 1st proper hull and I'm pretty happy :)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3221_zpsx9y4bwna.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3221_zpsx9y4bwna.jpg.html)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3218_zps2jpf3fu1.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3218_zps2jpf3fu1.jpg.html)
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My original skeg fits nicely, I put off molding it just in case the hull grew during the molding process.
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3223_zpsr9veiccx.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3223_zpsr9veiccx.jpg.html)
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The next job is to start mocking up the wheelhouse ready for transferring to the computer for laser cutting, the original had no floor but my version has a floor that everything else will slot and tab into.
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3217_zpspylrlpga.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3217_zpspylrlpga.jpg.html)
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And just for comparison here is the original wheelhouse and back deck propped up in the new improved hull.
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/DSCF3216_zpsyz67ktwv.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/DSCF3216_zpsyz67ktwv.jpg.html)
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Very nice :-)) .
Mark
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It's been a little while since my last update, the computer I use to run the laser cutter died and the new one didn't want to talk to it but it's all sorted now so I'm back into it.
I have started designing the rear area in such a way that it's totally accessible , the side compartments have access holes pre cut in for running wires plus if you want to you can fit a 2 cell lipo in there :)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/IMG_0212_zpsyuphtlmh.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/IMG_0212_zpsyuphtlmh.jpg.html)
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And a shot with the cover panels in place.
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A better view of the steering servo mount.
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The floor panel in place.
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This is one good looking model. Have you given any thought to placing ballast yet?
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Really enjoying watch this tug develop and hope to see the kit become available soon.
I work in Port Moresby so the postage from Tasmania should not be too horrific when the kit is eventually ready for sale!
Darren.
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Thanks for the comments guys.
Brian, the original had no ballast at all and sat beautifully, mine will probably be a little heavier so it will be interesting to see what it needs, if anything it might need a little in the stern to offset the wheelhouse, if so there's plenty of room back there.
Darren, it will be interesting to see what it's going to cost to send these things out, looks like that's 2 aussie orders already :)
Phil
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I was thinking along the lines of two lots of ballast. That is, ballasted as modellers would like so it sails like a real tug. Then a lighter amount of ballast so that for want of better description - it bobs around like a cork, which should suit the much younger sailors that have been brought up on shows like thomas the tank engine and of course tugs.
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That sounds like a plan :)
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G'day Phill, from gloomy Canberra today. Don't understand why anybody would want to live or work here!
Brian is pretty right with the ballast suggestion, but my thinking is leave it to the modeller, as each will have their own ideas and preferences.
Any idea what diameter prop yet?
Regards,
Ian
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Hi Ian, 45mm would be about the biggest comfortable size, bigger might just fit at a pinch but I would go with 45mm.
Phill
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This would be a good option; STM/2030/3/LH/BR but I think I would try and squeeze a STM/2030/4/LH/BR (Dia = 51.5mm) in to her as with the 3" pitch that will give you far better thrust. She is a tug after all!
http://prop-shop.co.uk/products.php?cat=steam-scale
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If the shaft is run out past the hull a tad a the 51.5 should fit.
Phill
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The finished exhaust stack/funnel, it took a few tries to get it in proportion but I'm happy with it.
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/IMG_0251_zpspxev7wyh.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/IMG_0251_zpspxev7wyh.jpg.html)
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Trying to create the frames that give the foredeck that extreme curve.
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/IMG_0255_zpsuouocdjy.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/IMG_0255_zpsuouocdjy.jpg.html)
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And what it looks like on the screen.
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fore deck and it's framing, all slot and tab, looks complicated but assembles in about 5 minutes and the tab & pin setup holds it tight while the glue dries :)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/IMG_0264_zpsla6luqnj.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/IMG_0264_zpsla6luqnj.jpg.html)
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A general view of the bones of the boat.
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Looking great and it looks like she will be a sturdy little thing.
Don't forget that she will need some decent towing points, a hook or H post aft and at least a nice strong head post for push pull over the bow.
Darren.
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I was seriously thinking of extending the engine room box a bit further aft and slotting a towing bitt into it as that whole box locks into the base, so very strong.
Phill
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I should also mention that I ordered a heap of rare earth magnets to hold the hatches in place.
Phill
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Just looking at motors and it appears I have a couple of 490kv outrunners in the cupboard, might go nicely on a 7.2 nimh or 7.4 lipo, anyone with any thoughts?
Phill
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Very nice.
Mark
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The extended engine casing and a H post in it sound great Phill.
In regards to motors this would be my choice; http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/geared_motors.html
A Robbie Navy Geared Motor EF76 3.3:1. This on 12 volts combined with the 50mm steam pitch prop will give you heaps of torque and excellent performance!
Darren.
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Ahh tug chief, I see you are old school, I too once only thought in brushed 380's 540's 550's and 785's and the necessary gearing but I have been lured over to the dark side, brushless motors that can be matched to just the right battery for the perfect RPM, no electrical noise and huge run times, I hope that Alberts open plan allows for either traditional or modern set-ups, to aid this I was actually thinking of making the engine casing large enough to fit a good old 6v 4ah gel cell but I haven't been down the workshop to check yet.
Phill
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What spec brushless are you thinking of using Phil?
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I'm old school also, and as I have boxes of windscreen wiper motors and 12v fan motors just hanging around taking up space, can't see the point in not using them. I've got some Bosch 12v x 12 pole fan motors in the Sirius Cove and they are some of the best I have ever found. Not easy to get these days, but very smooth runners.
I also belt drive my models, so nice and quiet, and you can lower your prop speeds using higher motor revs for greater efficiency. Geared motors like the Robbe are good, but growl. I have one in a small tug and it works well, but not as quiet as I like.
Ian.
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Hi Phil, I must admit that I have not really gotten into the brushless thing as of yet but most certainly something I will look into. I have about 40 boats in my fleet so will not be changing them all over! :-)
As for the 'growl' of the Robbie navies, I think that it brings the models alive, I have never worked on a silent boat as of yet!.
Darren.
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Wheelhouse is coming along nicely :)
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Martin, I have a couple of very nice OS 490kv brushless motors sitting in the cupboard but after getting one out and sitting it in the boat I think it just might be overkill.
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Hmmm, yes... unless you want to tow real ships! ok2
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It is a tug Martin, modern technology denotes that tugs have the absolute limit of power for there hull, so models must follow suit! :-)
Well that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it! ;-)
Darren.
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I do like your way of thinking Darren :)
Phill
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Fit two! :-))
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Seems about right Martin, one for forward one for reverse :)
Phill
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Squeezed in a bit of work on Albert today, lots of different angles to deal with but we finally have a roof.
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You might notice the roof in the previous pics look wet, as it is cut from 3mm and was a bit of a tight bend I had to give it a good soaking with an ammonia based window cleaner, this made bending much easier.
Phill
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My system of tabs with wedges to help hold the curvy bits can't go any closer to the end so this corner is a tad reluctant to close the joint, I'm hoping most people will have a couple of clamps handy to hold them down while the glue sets.
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G'day Phill,
What about one or two thicknesses of 1.5 or 1.6 for the curved roof?
Just a thought.
Ian.
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Hi Ian, just adds to the cost and can be hard to find a reliable supplier, no one sells it down here so there would be freight charges also.
Phill
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Have you tried http://www.balsacentral.com/shop/basswood-ply-sheets/ for plywood.
Cuts nicely with a laser.
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Doesn't mention anything about waterproof though, and with a basswood core would sop up moisture like a sponge.
Ian.
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Thats a very interesting site Barry, I will have to save that one to the memory banks, from what I can see their sheet size is 300 x 300 and $17 plus freight, not alot I know but I guarantee when it comes to the finished product that price will be my biggest sticking point, at the moment I can buy a nice 3mm pine ply with no voids 1200 x 2400 for the same price as their 300 x 300.
To aid bending tomorrow I will try lasering a series of kerf's into the roof, that should help greatly...............stay tuned
Phill
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Ian, as for waterproofing have you discovered everdure from international paints, it's my new best friend, 2 part epoxy that's as thin as water, great for waterproofing and prepping for paint and being so thin it soaks right in and doesn't fill detail like sanding sealers, i use it on both models and my full size boat.
Phill
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G'day Phill,
Used to use Everdure when I rebuilt a Hartley TS16 Trailer Sailer many years ago. Good stuff, but haven't used it on my model boats so far, as I always use marine grade ply, and seal it with primer. Never had an issue so far, and the Iron Cove was built in 1982 and is still holding together like it was 30 odd years ago.
Ian.
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sun visor nearly sorted.
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The sun visor from the back showing some laser kerfing.
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I spotted the deliberate mistake mate. But Albert is coming along nicely. I hadn't realised you could set the laser to only cut part way through, I just assumed it would 'burn' all the way out the other side.
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A quick check in the test tank with a couple of 8.4v nimh's in the back and she sits perfectly :)
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Hi Brian, i can set it to lightly engrave paper if I need to or cut through up to 25mm acrylic, for the kerfing I ramp it up to full speed on a medium power setting, dropping it down to about 19% power and it would cut right through.
Phill
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'It's alive! Alive I tell you!'
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I don't know about alive yet but at least it floats :-))
Phill
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G'day Phill,
The sunvisor looks like it could be a candidate for some 1.5mm or thereabouts. Would you like me to send a sample of my stock here for a trial fit?
Regards,
Ian.
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Cool, send her down Ian, cheapest I can get 1.5 here is $100 plus freight, I will see how yours works out and look at getting a sheet for the others.
Phill
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Will be in the post today. I've also included a smaller piece of 1/32 Coachwood aircraft sheathing plywood dated 1942. This came from the Commonwealth Aircraft factory in Victoria, long after it closed down. A company called Mister Plywood happened upon a pack of this ply many years ago, and was selling it off at a reasonable price. It did have some minor water damage ( rot ) to one side, but didn't affect much of the sheet. Just wish I'd got another sheet or two, as they don't make quality ply like this these days!
Ian.
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Todays progress, master for the towing bitt ready for casting in urethane and the false engine cover modified to take a 6v 4.5 ah gel cell.
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A view from the front showing how a gel cel would sit, the shaft is currently overlength and just there for looks.
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The motor shown is a standard 550 just to give an idea of size, the finished shaft would be much shorter allowing the motor to sit further aft.
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Looking really smart Phill!
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Everything is so clean neat and tidy. It looks as though Albert could take a bigger motor as well.
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Thanks guys, Brian I am still undecided about motors, mine will be brushless simply because I like the efficiency/economy but I'm not sure what size just yet, Albert is being built on an unemployment imposed shoestring budget so I have to get it right first pop.
Phill
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A quick shot with the hatch and it's cover in place
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The coaming in place that locates the wheelhouse and stops water getting into the engine room.
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Is she going to have a single head post Phill at the bow?
Darren.
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Trying to work out how to squeeze one in.
Phill
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This is a great build one I am watching with bated breath but I never knew how big it was until i saw that 550 in it. Sizes don't register with me but that did and I must it looks great too ok2
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Cap rail drawn, cut and in place, the idea is it will be over length and trimmed as necessary.
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Genuinely love seeing each update to this thread.
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He does look cute. I can see this appealing to young girls as well as boys.
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Thank's guys, I just have to keep the price down.
Phill
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Hey Ian, remember our conversation about how there was no way Australia post would try and force that parcel in my letterbox, I found this with about an inch hanging out, just enough to funnel any rain into the slot and saturate all my other mail.
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Excellent work. I hope you add a laser cut springer kit in the future.
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I have wanted to do a lasercut springer for a long long time, now I have access to reasonably priced ply it's definitely on my to do list, I hope to get the hang of kit supply with Albert first then the sky is the limit.
Phill
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Phill,
Any chance that an Albert kit will be able to make its way to me in time to have it ready for the 10th anniversary of Mayhem at Wicksteed next Year? not sure what timescales/logistics will be like but it would be great to see one at the show (especially if it was mine :-)) )
Alex
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Alex, I am hoping to have the first one out by the end of next week so one for you shouldn't be a problem O0 the only thing really left to sort out is pricing, I am close to having all the parts drawn, when that's done I can work out the cost of lasering and resin parts then it's good to go.
Phill
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G'day Phill,
Just as well one sheet was waterproof ply and the other sheet marine ply!
Typical retards employed by AP! Not employed for their intelligence or problem solving skills!
Regards,
Ian.
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Well thanks to my ongoing health issues it looks like the first alberts might take just a little longer than I thought :(
Phill
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Sorry to hear that Phill.
Albert can wait, you must come first.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
Alex
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Thanks Alex, no recovery without risky surgery I'm afraid, nothing life threatening just a case of managing the effects.
Phill
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Whatever it is, get it done, you guys have excellent healthcare down there. Let the experts take care of it and get yourself on the road to recovery.
Life is full of terrible little things we "live with" - if you can get rid of any of them for the prospect of a better quality of life then it's worth taking a risk.
Besides - while taking a step back from Albert for a bit you might come up with some more even fantastic ideas.
Seriously I do wish you the best and I hope whatever the case may be you get it fixed soon.
Alex
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That's just like Spanish posties. Mine folded an A4 envelope in half to fit it into our mailbox. The fact it contained half a dozen lengths of 2mm aluminium rod and had a ¡No Doblar! (do not bend) sticker on was lost on him!
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Brian that would really suck.
Alex, it's a fairly recently discovered thing in that CT scanners have only been able to scan fine enough in the last few years, seem's most experts are in the USA, it's a collapsing of the superior canal in the inner ear that causes all kinds of awful problems, surgery could result in deafness and I could lose my balance alltogether, at the moment I can usually manage it and so far I am still allowed to drive so I plan to leave it alone and see what happens, If you get a chance google SCDS or Superior semicurcular canal dehiscence syndrome, compared to some sufferers I consider myself incredibly fortunate, I have a wonderfully supportive wife and understanding kids, there's also a clip on you tube called Inside Todds Head that shows it pretty well.
Phill
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I got some of my mojo back this afternoon, rather than work on the tug when my mind isn't totally in the game I worked on a stand instead, I cant stand those flimsy crappy things that come with a lot of boats these days so I designed up something a bit more substantial with locking pins, feet and corner bracing.
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I missed your post about the inner ear problem Phil, sorry about that, I hope when the time comes that surgery is necessary it proves effective for you.
The boat stand quality is everything that Albert is - perfect! I think you may have shown the future of modelling here. That is use the computer to do the design work and generate a file to cut the pieces either by laser/router or 3d printing. The future holds great things for any hobby, I just wish I was 30 years younger to see it all come to fruition,
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Hello all, first day back on deck today, I managed to get the access door designed and cut, the porthole will be cut out of the wheelhouse allowing the 3mm glazing to drop in (also laser cut from 3mm acrylic)
Anyone currently waiting on the first kit's I thank you for your patience, you know who you are :)
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Phill,
Will there be glazing all round, or just that porthole?
All the best,
Alex
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Hi Alex, I guess this is the first time I have made mention of the glazing, yes all windows have it, if you look closely at the last photo you can see the locating marks around the back window where the 5mm frame locate creating a rebate for 3mm acrylic.
Phill
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Phil,
Do you intend cutting off the exposed locking tags on the roof and sun visor?
Cheers
Bruce
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Yep that's the plan, I had a sheet of 1.5 arrive today so I will have to re-calibrate some of the tags, what you see so far is just the test platform at the moment, I am constantly tweaking little things for the final product, on of those little issues you might notice is that the rear window is about 3mm too high and you can just see the edge of the wheelhouse ceiling.
Phill
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Hey Ian, just trial fitting all the parts for your Albert :)
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Hi Phill, when is the next one going to be available?
Darren.
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Hi Darren, I'm just checking how the first one goes together, at the moment I'm having issues with the fibre glassing as it's so darn cold down here at the moment, as soon as I get the next hull done I will let you know.
Phill
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Hi Phill, all noted sir. Looking forward to hearing back from you.
Darren.
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Just one more test assembly of an Albert straight off the laser.
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All the slots with their locking pins in place.
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Very cool :-)) .
Mark
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Hi Phill
Would be very interested in an Albert kit, depends on shipping costs to the UK
Regards
Mark
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Hi Mark, as soon as I have a finished price I will let you know :)
Phill
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finished version with engraved overlays in place.
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This last pic is with a 6v 4.5ah gel cel, large brushless motor, servo and a 11v lipo in the back and she still sits perfectly :)
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Very nice indeed.
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Thank's Antipodes O0
First rudder and skeg out of the mold today.
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Looking good Phill!
Maybe next week then?
Did you get the pic I sent you of the flex couplings I have coming? For just under AU$7.00 post free, I couldn't be bothered making them these days.
Ian.
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So does anyone else on here think the mast looks out of place and I should just drop it? honest opinions please.
Phill
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So does anyone else on here think the mast looks out of place and I should just drop it? honest opinions please.
It does look a little funny......
I'd leave it out if I were you, if someone really wants one it's easy enough to make.
Alex
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Told you so!
Ian.
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.... does make it look a bit 'bumper car' / dodgems ish!
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Oh, it's a mast! I thought it was a carry handle! LOL!
No, I think by not putting a mast on it will allow people to personalise the boat a bit. The mast can be so many different designs, A frame tripod or people cab make a nice little yachtie one!
Happy days.
Darren.
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Well, all the cost's are in, laser cutting time, plywood , casting resin's, fibreglass hull, it's all come out dearer than I would have liked for where I want Albert to sit in the marketplace but I can't do it for nothing, look's like the final price will be $450 aud, ( about £210 GBP ) It's difficult to find something out there to compare it to, not much if anything comes with all the parts laser cut and the hull consumes quite a lot of materials as even though it's not long at 600mm it extremely beamy so there is enough materials in it for a standard shape hull almost twice as long, so that's where we are with price.
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q760/Phillip_Sachman/IMG_0527_zps8mswnywi.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/Phillip_Sachman/media/IMG_0527_zps8mswnywi.jpg.html)
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G'day Phill,
No surprises here, having been in the model manufacturing business for over 28 yrs.
That's about where I expected it to be, so I'm OK with it. Just get mine in the post as soon as possible!
Ian.
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Hello Phill
Hello I do not like this mast,
The price in euros would be 280 euros, more the freight on half of the planet .................
It is going to be difficult to sell here even if he is very beautiful .
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Hi Ian, I had a good chat with a fibreglass fabricator today who claims he can get a far better finish inside and out so it might be worth waiting another week for me to take delivery of the first batch.
GAZOU, you will be happy to know the mast has been deleted from the kit (let us never speak of it again)
Phill
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Massive win today, I have been searching the web for cardboard box makers in Australia, finally found one that made a box that worked out pretty well for size but then found out that freight was going to be $130.00 :o after this I found a local manufacturer that is only 15 mins down the road and had an overrun of boxes that were almost perfect but not deep enough, but, when you slide one over the other they are absolutely perfect :-)) .
(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad199/mermod/IMG_0616_zpsmbwv2vyq.jpg) (http://s935.photobucket.com/user/mermod/media/IMG_0616_zpsmbwv2vyq.jpg.html)
(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad199/mermod/IMG_0615_zpsbvgwupqj.jpg) (http://s935.photobucket.com/user/mermod/media/IMG_0615_zpsbvgwupqj.jpg.html)
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What cool boxes, :-)) :-)) and they already had 'Albert' on them. %) %) What a win!! %% %%
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I have never before been so excited about about a plain old cardboard box.
Phill
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I'll be more excited once mine is at the Post office waiting to be picked up with contents!
Ian.
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I'll be more excited once mine is at the Post office waiting to be picked up with contents!
Ian.
That makes two of us, and I expect we will not be alone. ;)
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ok2
Somebody knows the cost of the freight for Europe ?
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I think I'd be concerned about the lack of cushioning packing along the sides. If Aussie post is like UK post, it'll get the sides crushed in as its tossed about in the back of the van/sorting office.
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Turn it on its side to allow packing material, this will let the top raise up and get more packing across top and bottom :-))
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I had to share this photo Ian sent me this morning of a pub in Tamworth.
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Phill,
I'd love to know how much it would cost to get an Albert to the UK.
It's wedding anniversary time coming up and I've been dropping hints to the wife...
Alex
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Perfect mooring for Albert ;D
Ned
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Alex and others,
I'm thinking Phill is a bit crook at the moment, as I've not been able to contact him for the last couple of days or so.
He's been having a few bad days of late, so things are probably on hold for now.
Ian.
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Hi guys, yes Ian you are correct, I went to my nephews end of term concert on thursday evening and the noise of it has knocked me flat, headaches, ringing in the ears and a general dazed feeling........however I have been chipping away at Albert, got the first hull friday arvo and it looks really good (that ones yours Ian) more on the way, the final piece of the kit I was waiting on are the keel bolts they also arrived on friday afternoon so I am just checking and packing the first one ready to get freight quotes monday morning so I should have some answers for all those that have asked about freight, I promise I will contact you all :)
Phillip
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Well ladies and gent's I now have sizes and weight of the packaged Albert kit and can organize shipping quotes, I have already replied to some PM's but if I have missed you out please let me know, I now suggest everybody hassle Ian into putting his build of an Albert here on mayhem ;)
Phill
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Congratulations on an epic build log and project Phil. I wish you steady sales.
Have you any other products in your notebook of ideas?
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So many ideas so little time :) I would dearly love to do a springer but it seems like most variations have been done to death,I might do one just for the fun of it, a while back i did a build on here for the tugboat Preston, I managed to track down the original designer and got permission to update and re-release it, I also have plans for a local vessel similar to Artesanias Helen and I would like to do something with my Seal Helper hulls, maybe a kit just like Albert, like I said, so many ideas,so little time.
Phill
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Yes, you have to be careful not to spread yourself too thinly or you get nothing done :(( Still, now you have the option of reinvesting monies from Albert sales in new designs, or using the funds for your own projects:O)
Given the effort you have gone to design ease of build into what is otherwise a very curvey shape actually makes your kit very reasonable. Imagine how much time and money you have saved the customer from making funny clamp jigs and indeed purchasing more clamps to do perhaps only one job on the whole build.
I like to see kits where the designer has given thought to ease of build as well as style and subject.
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Phil now that Albert is coming to an end, what software package did you use to draw up the cutting pattern for the laser?
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Thank's ballastanksian, It's nice to know someone can see the work that's gone into it, believe it or not aswell as the design work done on-screen I have actually used 4x 1200x 2400mm sheets of 3mm MDF to check, double check then re-check again that all the parts fit perfectly every time before I cut one out of plywood.
Brian60, I use Coreldraw13 simply because it came with the laser, I don't like it but everything about the machine leans towards that particular package, it's brilliant for graphic design but there are far better CAD packages out there, you can do the drawing in Autocad but the price is restrictive and mostly you still have to import it back into corel.
Phill
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I have a trial copy of BobCad which seems to be big in the States, but I think before I get the hang of it the trial period will have ended :}
I also have CorelDraw and CorelCad which I have picked up this week in the UK, I'll see how they go once I'm back in Spain. Before I make a jump and invest in hardware, I want to make sure I can produce good enough drawings first!
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I will be very interested to hear how you get on with Corel Cad, do let me know.
Phill
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I will be very interested to hear how you get on with Corel Cad, do let me know.
Phill
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A bit of a jump but here's the Albert prototype just about ready for paint.
(http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad199/mermod/IMG_0730_zpsp7qkwvwi.jpg) (http://s935.photobucket.com/user/mermod/media/IMG_0730_zpsp7qkwvwi.jpg.html)
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I just noticed how I left the lathe in the third picture and I'm waiting for the comment's :embarrassed:
Phill
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Me first :} When I had one slightly larger than that (was machining parts for my dragbike years ago) I did the same.
You only do it ONCE! When you turn on and it hits you in the face never again {-) Fortunately I was stood off to one side and it was thrown up and out and embedded itself in the roof of the garage.
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I just noticed how I left the lathe in the third picture and I'm waiting for the comment's :embarrassed:
Phill
What sort of comment would you like
ken
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Sirry Irriot :}
Ned
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Ah! The key in the chuck!
Naughty boy! :police:
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Phil , we've all done it O0
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We have indeed, but you are still a very naughty boy Mermod. The Mayhem Admonishment (M.A.T) team are on their way to stand in your front hall and tut while wagging fingers at you for a pre-determined amount of time.
It could have smashed your Laser cutter or even torpedoed your prototype :o
On a positive note, the prototype justifies the time you have spent developing her. If I had kids, I would say she is an ideal kit for Dad/Grand dad and younger person to build together, the tabs and keys actually helping to hold thing together easier and quicker than clamps and fingers, so young person would not get bored waiting or frustrated at bits pinging off repeatedly. It sort of self assembles if you see what I mean.
Ok, so it is more expensive than the Chinese ready to go model, but not that much, and you get a better model that you can fit better electrics in.
Now put your key away safely and await the M.A.T :-))
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Just to let you all know that Albert arrived safely in the post this morning.
Packaging seems more than adequate and other than for a couple of bags of small bits that were stapled to the interior corner wedges coming adrift due to the light staples used, all appears good.
If I can work out how to post an image or two later, I'll add some of the unpacking.
Put the stand together in about 10 minutes, including glue, so the build should be a piece of cake! Did the assembly dry, then partially disassembled, added a bead of Aliphatic resin, pushed it all back together and added the wedges and all completed.
Quality of the hull is very good with a minimum of tidying up required.
Having bought kits from pommie manufacturers in the past for a lot more money than this, and pretty average quality with nothing pre-prepared for you, this rates very highly for both price and quality and makes the pommie kits look pretty ordinary!
More later.
Ian.
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Don't know if I got these right or not!
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Well there you go! Don't need Photobucket or other special file after all! Just sent from my collection here.
Clever Dick!
Ian.
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That is a super stout box isn't it! Kudos to you Phill, I would trust that to a trans world delivery.
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Do you want to keep your address on an Open Forum ?
ken
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G'day Ken,
If that comment was directed at me, you can take it down if you want, but I'm in the phone book, and known around the world connected to my model business, so it probably doesn't matter either way.
But for security reasons I guess you could take it down due to the amount of identity theft going on around the world. Or maybe you have a way of blanking the street address.
Regards,
Ian.
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Ok Ian. :-)) Simplest was to remove the picture.
Cheers
ken