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Title: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: canalpilot on December 10, 2016, 12:29:17 pm
The March Show will go ahead as usual on the first weekend of March 2017, although the museums website says they are closed until 1st. April.  Entrance will be through the Boat Hall where a temporary entrance will be sited. The shop and cafe will be closed but there will be catering vans on site.
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Post by: JayDee on December 10, 2016, 10:57:43 pm
Hello

Will the Show be open to the general Public ???.

John.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: canalpilot on December 11, 2016, 12:16:57 am

The show is open to the public as usual from 10 am. on both days, entry fee being £3-50.  At the last show thee were about 1000 people through the door during the two days of the show.

Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: poll on December 11, 2016, 07:17:03 pm
  Hi Will there be a evening Sail on Saturday this year?

  John
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: canalpilot on December 12, 2016, 01:10:54 am
Do not know yet whether there will be a night sail on Saturday night, the museum boss is keen on it but it depends on whether they can get their staff to stay on, they do not trust us anymore!!!!!
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: TheLongBuild on December 12, 2016, 07:43:20 am

they do not trust us anymore!!!!!


Why , What did you do....
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: yewgarth on December 14, 2016, 05:40:51 pm
We pinched a Narrow boat and went joy riding! {-)
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: canalpilot on December 14, 2016, 09:24:22 pm
We did nothing at all, take no notice of Yewgarth.  It is just that the management changed and they have different ideas.
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Post by: TheLongBuild on December 14, 2016, 09:54:01 pm
 8) :-) If he had said you had borrowed a barge to tug tow I might have believed it ..lol
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: canalpilot on December 15, 2016, 07:46:58 am
All clubs will be notified by the years end, sorry for the delay, pressure of work!!
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: adamD98 on December 28, 2016, 09:30:39 pm
We hope to come along again this year, with a few models...and one which wont take on water!  %)
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: dave301bounty on January 05, 2017, 07:27:35 pm
Question ,,,does the ellesmere boat museum belong to ,or are they the Canal and River Trust ,are they the one and same .There is an argument going on as to who they are a part of  in regards to ,who owns them or are they the boss . can anyone give an answer please ,it would help sort out a few matters .thank you ...
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Liverbudgie2 on January 05, 2017, 07:39:08 pm
They are one and the same.

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjoy-the-waterways/museums-and-attractions/national-waterways-museum

LB
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Tid 65 on January 10, 2017, 11:31:37 am
Great to hear it's on again,I will be there again with my large TID tug but just wondered where to park to unload because of the entrance is around the corner from the main car park. Thanks.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Stavros on January 10, 2017, 05:35:17 pm
Well there MIGHT even be 2 Large Tids on the water if mine will be finished in time




Dave
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: jarvo on January 10, 2017, 07:26:19 pm
Keep going Dave, cant wait to see it in the flesh


Mark
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: march show on January 10, 2017, 10:55:23 pm
hi tid 65 you will be able to off load your boats at the top gate next to the disable parking bays unless you are in a club stand then you will off lode at your designated area
also any club that wants to display that has not been emailed by myself yet could you pls contact me by pm or at eportspringshow@aol.com
regards steve
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: tizdaz on January 11, 2017, 01:39:19 am
Well there MIGHT even be 2 Large Tids on the water if mine will be finished in time




Dave


Id love to say 3! ...but i don't think mine will be ready to sail so soon, but i will still be popping along with my old man as he likes his boat stuff to :)
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: march show on January 11, 2017, 08:14:19 pm
I have a question if we put on a night sail again how many would be interested the museum asked why we didn't do it last year my reply was they didn't have any staff on to keep the blooming place unlocked hence no night sail so if I can get the place open would you attend is it worth my effort

Steve
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Skimmer Fan on January 11, 2017, 08:35:06 pm
Steve
Probably 4 of our club at Runcorn will sail.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: march show on January 11, 2017, 09:14:41 pm
 :-))
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Post by: adamD98 on January 12, 2017, 01:30:14 pm
You know I will mate  :-))
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Post by: Tuggy Gav on January 17, 2017, 12:48:47 am
there's no show without punch. just need to get in somebody's shed to get tug finished and work getting in the way as usual. but it's my long weekend off so I shal be there the Friday aswell to help set up


Gav
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: poll on January 17, 2017, 10:22:13 pm
there's no show without punch. just need to get in somebody's shed to get tug finished and work getting in the way as usual. but it's my long weekend off so I shal be there the Friday aswell to help set up


Gav

 I wonder who's shed that will be Steve lol.

 John                POLL
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: march show on January 17, 2017, 10:24:17 pm
yes I wonder I will need the 60 minute make over team to even get near to the shed at the mo
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: poll on January 17, 2017, 10:25:49 pm
  Come to think I could do with getting in some ones shed to get my wheelhouse back :-))

  John
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: poll on January 17, 2017, 10:29:53 pm

  Steve. Did I read you used the word Blooming on this Forum shame on you. <*<

  John
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Stavros on January 17, 2017, 10:34:29 pm
will I be able to take the trailer to near the lock as the Tid is rather heavy to carry a long way,small car trailer 6x3






Dave
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: march show on January 17, 2017, 10:40:22 pm
yes stav should be ok we got the type 45 right next to water so you should be good too if not we have a large trailer to move stuff round to edge of water

poll shhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: poll on January 17, 2017, 10:46:10 pm

   Get it on the pushchair Stav. lol

   POLL
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: march show on January 17, 2017, 10:47:30 pm
 :} :} :} :}
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Stavros on January 17, 2017, 11:01:32 pm
   Get it on the pushchair Stav. lol

   POLL




Ill CHOP your zimmer frame in Half next time I see you  ;) ;) ;) ;)




Dave
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Fastfaz on January 19, 2017, 04:32:05 pm
   Play nicely children!
       See you on the Saturday Steve,Poll, Shady and Adam.
            Cheers, Pete. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: yewgarth on January 26, 2017, 12:04:32 am
Don't forget the Bring and Buy will be on again this year, £3.00 an item and no selling fees. Anything remotely Nautical, models, books, ornaments etc etc
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: thegrimreaper on February 19, 2017, 08:56:01 am
is there a list of traders attending the show please


Mark.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: canalpilot on February 19, 2017, 09:50:05 am
Yes, the same traders as last year plus someone selling props and running gear. 
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: kinmel on February 19, 2017, 05:37:58 pm
Yes, the same traders as last year plus someone selling props and running gear.

Including Speedline ?
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Stavros on February 19, 2017, 05:46:43 pm
Well he was there last year




Dave
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Stavros on February 19, 2017, 06:42:49 pm
Sorry to disapoint everyone but My Tid tug wont be at the show...Time and tbh money have beaten me on this one....roll on Wickstead as it WILL be there...But me and the family will be there and we WILL NOT miss anything this year.






Dave
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: gingyer on February 19, 2017, 06:45:10 pm
For the bring and buy is it ok to bring something down for sale only for 1 day???
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: poll on February 19, 2017, 08:00:48 pm

  Hi Gingyer.  I will not be at the show till late Saturday evening so the things I will be bringing will not go on sale until Sunday
  Hope that's some help.

  John
                          POLL
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: gingyer on February 19, 2017, 09:49:33 pm
Thanks Poll
I'm coming down on the Saturday so will bring some bits with me
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Stavros on February 19, 2017, 09:59:04 pm
SEE you there Gingyer




Dave
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: gingyer on February 20, 2017, 12:01:07 am
SEE you there Gingyer





looking forward to it  :-))
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Dave Cook on February 22, 2017, 06:30:09 pm
Hi , Can you please confirm that Model Boat Bits will attend this year as they did last year .
as your post said all,s the same as last year,  , a list would be great to save a
100 mile trip .

Regards Dave {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: canalpilot on February 22, 2017, 06:54:04 pm
Model Boat Bits will be there in the same location as last year, opposite the lift entrance.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: boat captain on February 23, 2017, 08:41:04 am
What time can we get in on the Friday?
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: march show on February 23, 2017, 10:30:53 am
2pm to start setup
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: canalpilot on February 23, 2017, 05:31:34 pm
I have now been informed that the entrance to the show will be through the main door where they have set up tempoary tills but they will have no credit card facilities so it is cash only, only £3-50 at lot less tha other venues.
Anyone bringing any items for the bring and buy stall please DO  NOT  bring them to the B and B stall until Saturday morning as we have been restricted in the access to the Island Warehouse and traders will take priority with their unloading.  For the clubs exhibiting in the Island Warehouse we will make every effort to assist you.

We have the following traders attending, Component Shop, SHG, Scale Hobbies, Tony Green Steam Models, Models by Design, Mac's Mouldings, Mountfleet, Simon Higgins, Marks Model Bits and Starloc. Starloc have said they would come by e-mail but I have had no confirmation from them yet.  I have been unable to contact them, I think they are still in the Runcorn area so if anyone can knock on their door and find a contact number and e-mail address for them I would be very grateful.

The cafe is not available due to refurbishment but we do have outside catering vans on site so there is food and drinks available.

We look forward to seeing you there.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Dave Cook on February 23, 2017, 07:04:37 pm
Great value , and a great show  %% %% %% %% %% %% %% %%
Dave
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: yewgarth on February 24, 2017, 06:33:56 pm
Items for the Bring and Buy will be accepted from Friday afternoon, all day Saturday and up to 12pm on Sunday. Ta!
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Post by: malcf on February 25, 2017, 07:16:35 pm
Hi can anybody tell me what the parking situation is at the boat show, is it likely to be a problem or is there plenty of space?.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Stavros on February 25, 2017, 08:11:13 pm
Usually plenty of space in the car parks




Dave
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: malcf on February 26, 2017, 01:42:54 pm
Thanks for the info. :-)) :-))
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Post by: Peter_s on February 26, 2017, 06:55:57 pm
Hi guys. I've moved up in to the Mold/Chester area and I'm looking for a club to join up here, any recommendations? The show looks really good and I'm hoping to get to it. I'm returning to my boats after a while and I'm going to need some help getting things back on track so finding a good club would really help!  Thanks Pete :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: kinmel on February 26, 2017, 07:46:15 pm
Hi Pete

Welcome back to paradise, there are plenty of great clubs not too far away

Clubs local to you are:-

Small clubs at Gresford (Wrexham) and Ruthin. Colwyn Bay is a much bigger club and has a lot of members from your area.

Options over the border include Ellesmere Port, Hoylake, New Brighton and Wirral.

All of these clubs are friendly and will be more than happy for you to just pop along and see which you prefer before you deciding to join one. They are all happy to help with technical matters.

I am in Colwyn Bay MBC and we meet on Sunday mornings at Eirias Park; for the others, just check out their website/Facebook pages.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Peter_s on February 27, 2017, 07:48:48 am

Hi Pete

Welcome back to paradise, there are plenty of great clubs not too far away

Clubs local to you are:-

Small clubs at Gresford (Wrexham) and Ruthin. Colwyn Bay is a much bigger club and has a lot of members from your area.

Options over the border include Ellesmere Port, Hoylake, New Brighton and Wirral.

All of these clubs are friendly and will be more than happy for you to just pop along and see which you prefer before you deciding to join one. They are all happy to help with technical matters.

I am in Colwyn Bay MBC and we meet on Sunday mornings at Eirias Park; for the others, just check out their website/Facebook pages.


that's amazing thank you! I feel next weekend is going to be fun!

Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: TheLongBuild on March 01, 2017, 01:34:57 pm
Is the Evening sail still planed ?
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: canalpilot on March 01, 2017, 07:20:43 pm
There is a rumour circulating that the clubs cannot set up until Saturday morning. This is NOT
 TRUE,  the traders will have priority to set up.  We will make every effort to help the clubs set up, especially in the Island Warehouse.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: canalpilot on March 01, 2017, 07:23:59 pm
Hopefully access via thr slipway and to the boat hall will be available from noon on Friday.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Stan on March 02, 2017, 07:02:25 am
I take it clubs inthe I/Warehouse will be using the rear entrance?
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Post by: StarLocAdhesives/FiveStar on March 02, 2017, 03:54:10 pm
We wont be there, not in Runcorn any more , we moved to Bulgaria about 2 years ago but still do UK shows, have been ill again since the End of January and just got out of hospital again so no way can get to it.

Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: canalpilot on March 02, 2017, 08:32:48 pm
Thanks for that Starloc, sorry you will not be there and sorry to hear you have been ill, get well soon. Can you send your contact details as all the ones I have used have failed to get a reply.
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Post by: TheLongBuild on March 02, 2017, 08:42:14 pm
Is the Night Time sailing still happening ?
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: red181 on March 03, 2017, 05:06:22 pm
Quote
Is the Night Time sailing still happening ?




anyone please?
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Stavros on March 03, 2017, 06:51:48 pm
What time can we come in with items for the bring and buy....do we bring them though the main enterance or traders enterance....can someone please enlighten me ...THANKS


Dave
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: canalpilot on March 03, 2017, 06:55:41 pm
Both entrances will be open at 8.30 am or very shortly after.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Stavros on March 03, 2017, 07:19:57 pm
THANKS


Dave
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Post by: yewgarth on March 03, 2017, 07:26:05 pm
I won't be at the bring and buy until close to 9 oclock sorry

Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: adamD98 on March 03, 2017, 09:41:03 pm
See you all in the morning. Me, swmbo and the old fella are at the Childer Thornton Premier Inn.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Robbie11 on March 04, 2017, 05:18:06 pm
Great show, plenty of traders and many superb boats! Would of liked to have seen more boats on the water, maybe a bit too windy? Still, top effort by the organisers!
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: davidjt on March 04, 2017, 07:11:50 pm

hi,
her is a few photos from ellesmere port today, it was flat calm when I got there at just after ten but by eleven the wind was quite strong. there was a few hardy ones though sailing yachts. the displays were a bit mixed up this year  nearly missed some displays due to no signs but other than that very enjoyable


david
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Stavros on March 04, 2017, 08:43:46 pm
Darned good show some very nice boats on display...and YES this year I saw everything.


One person I shall single out for  a mention is our one and only Dave Wooley WEY HEY so so nice to see you there today enjoying yourself...WELL it just goes to show Model Boats are the BEST medicne.


Everyone who I met, it was so so nice to see you ALL again.


What can I say about our Scottish friends ...Well Ill let Catherine say it ...this is what she said in bed tonight...I really enjoyed myself daddy meeting ALL my Uncles and Aunties ....my FAVORITES are Uncle Bri And Uncle Ginger......Lads you have made an impresion






Dave...pics to follow
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Post by: big_bri on March 04, 2017, 10:20:52 pm
Arrived home safely from another great day at Ellesmere, great to meet up with old friends again and I had a ball with the Jones bairns  O0
Have to echo Dave's sentiment about Mr Woolley, was great seeing you out and about after your illness Dave, take care of yourself and hope to see you again soon my friend.
Thanks to everyone for a great day, especially Dave and Kelly and hope to see you all again soon.
All the best... Bri.
Big kiss to Catherine and Bethan :kiss:


Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Mortimer on March 05, 2017, 08:50:08 am
I think it is a sad sign of the times to see numbers slowly declining over the years.  Traders, clubs and the public numbers all seemed to be noticeably down again with mid Saturday afternoon looking dissapointingly quiet.  This is one of the best venues on the calendar yet we still see numbers declining and I suspect that there will be more traders questioning whether the takings are justified by the time and expense involved in attending.

I remember in previous years the inclusion of RC trucks and even scale plastic kits so maybe it is time for the museum and the organisers to think a bit outside the box again and look critically at what can be done to reverse this trend.  Maybe it should become more wider encompassing and include RC aircraft, tanks, cars and trucks as well as static and scale areas of the hobby.  I think the time has come to rethink the structure of these shows before we see them slowly dissappear and try to get the highest levels of support from the venue.  Having the cafe out of action, no night sail and clubs and traders having to walk through mud and up staircases to set up are all going to leave negative impressions.  In the past the engine house was manned and engines were running and there were more areas of the museum available to view so surely it is also in the museum's interest to support this event better and promote themselves more positively.

I drove three hours either way and went home saddened to see such a decline in what was once by far and above the best event of the year. 
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: red181 on March 05, 2017, 09:07:02 am

I agree with Mortimer, its 30 mins for me, so no big deal,  I enjoyed the show, as I could get to the models and traders easily, and maybe that itself is a problem as numbers where noticeably down.


If I were a trader, and had travelled some distance, with poss overnight accommodation, expense of fuel and giving up a weekend, I feel sorry for them working on such tight profit margins with maybe low sales.


I asked about a night sail, nobody replied so assumed its wasn't on, don't know if it happened or not?


 Don't miss the tea bar upstairs on the way to some of the club displays if you intend to go Sunday, I missed this as there were no signs, and ended up at the expensive burger van (the show organisers did well to get this in lieu of the closed boat museum)


Well done organisers, but the museum being closed for refurbishment might have affected the general public numbers. Its a great show, in possible the best venue for model boats, if you are considering going, its only £3.50 so by far the cheapest, support the show, or it might disappear <:(
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: davidjt on March 05, 2017, 09:34:19 am

in response to mortimore, there were some trucks on display in the conference centre, but sadley when I got there at 10.00 am, there were no signs to tell you they were there so I nearly missed them. but after talking to a gentleman  who took me on the lift to view the models  on top floor.  the clubs decided to put some signs  up for there self, I enjoyed it my self  got some things I wanted from traders. also I find that a lot of the traders are now going into retirement and selling there business  our closeing down barrys lettering , Metcalf mouldings, the list goes on. those that survive do more trade on the internet with less overheads. so don't bother with shows that's the way life is today.


david
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Bowwave on March 05, 2017, 10:45:30 am
Hi All    Just to say a huge big thank you  to the organisers , Museum staff and  to all I met during my  visit  for your support and encouragement  as this was one of my first outings  since  my hospitalisation .  Just   to stop and chat { which I like doing]   did me the power of  good   perhaps more than any medication  and I even had time to  do some camera work .   I can now  list Ellesmere Port show and all of the shows  as  positively therapeutic . For me it was it was much more than a visit to a show it was  just  wonderful being there .
Dave Wooley aka Bowwave   
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: BFSMP on March 05, 2017, 11:09:29 am

Hi All    Just to say a huge big thank you  to the organisers , Museum staff and  to all I met during my  visit  for your support and encouragement  as this was one of my first outings  since  my hospitalisation .  Just   to stop and chat { which I like doing]   did me the power of  good   perhaps more than any medication  and I even had time to  do some camera work .   I can now  list Ellesmere Port show and all of the shows  as  positively therapeutic . For me it was it was much more than a visit to a show it was  just  wonderful being there .
Dave Wooley aka Bowwave


I do believe that model boats is a great therapy, Mr Wooley, and from reading the posts on here seems to have been a great show.
Well done to all involved.


Jim.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: big_bri on March 05, 2017, 11:16:49 am
it was a five hour drive down and four back up again for me and my son, would I do it again? of coarse I would.
I bought a few of bits and pieces from the traders, looked on at the fabulous workmanship of my fellow modellers and also met up with some really good friends, for my son and I, it was a great day out and we look forward to many many more.

Well done guys :-))
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Mortimer on March 05, 2017, 12:20:03 pm
Interesting points and clear to see that there are many benefits of the shows from promoting the hobby to providing a forum of open discussion to old and new modellers alike as well as catching up face to face with friends.  The fact remains though that numbers continue to decline and the traders and organisers margins are being squeezed to the point whereby they may soon have to question the value of attending and organising shows. 

If we remain apathetic and refuse to recognise the facts that these shows may soon prove to be not worthwhile putting on we will all loose out.  I genuinely believe we need to do something to stop the decline in numbers and, if we don't, I believe we will soon see the end of them.  It is easy to slide back into the attitude that "That's the way it is nowadays" but I really don't think many of us want it to become a purely internet based hobby.  If I was a trader nowadays I think I would have already stopped doing shows so I have a huge respect for the ones that continue to do them but there have to be limits and, as has been said, the ones that retire are not being replaced.

I hope I am wrong but if we remain blinkered to what is going on year by year and continue to ignore the decline and do nothing I suspect that shows will slowly cease to happen.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 05, 2017, 01:42:22 pm
I'm afraid that the ongoing decline in the number of model boaters is a fact and wishing it were otherwise is not going to alter that. The average age of purchasers of the model boating magazines is now late 60s. Many people who were formerly keen model boaters have either fallen off the perch or have literally scaled down their modelling activities. They are not being replaced by younger people or by those returning to the hobby in retirement in the same numbers as those dropping out at the older end. Those youngsters who are not wrapped up in gaming or virtual reality hobbies will find flying drones rather more exciting than building or running boats especially as waters suitable for model boating are becoming fewer in number. And who can blame them?

The older you get the less inclined you are to undertake long drives on today's clogged motorways and so the footfall at shows will continue to decline whether we like it or not. The club scene is in better shape, especially North of Watford and it has been suggested that traders at club events is a way forward in the future although this does mean you will not get the same concentration of traders as you would at the current established shows.

There are a lot of activities which have fallen by the wayside as time marches on, there is no reason to suppose that model boating in the form we have been used to will not be one of them.

Colin
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: timbo on March 05, 2017, 06:00:11 pm
Been my self today, noticeable reduction in clubs and visitors, weather didn't help, on the upside there were some bargains in the basement, picked up a decent transmitter/receiver, there was also a full Aziz kit going for £150.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: march show on March 05, 2017, 08:22:27 pm
hi all just got home still drying out lol. I just want to thank all involved with putting on this show, and all who took the time to support it from the Runcorn lads and my clubs lads well old fellas now lo,l to the museum staff that are in between a rock and a b*stard like me moaning at them, and I did a lot of it. As a few of you have said numbers are down, club wise we had the same as last year 1 extra and one lost, which we may or may not get back. if I had my way I would put more in but we don't have the manpower to do all this now never mind if I add more to my list. I will be having a meeting with the museum to see what can be improved, but things that are out of our control will have to wait like the cafe. They got the refit money and had to use it there and then and the rear loading area is down for re surfacing so that's a massive plus. the fact remains 2 of us now run the show and the rest of the club average age the wrong side of 75, along with the invaluable Runcorn lads set it up.
anyhows hope those that took the time to support had a good time I know even tho its a lot to take on each year it has been a pleasure to hopefully give the hobby a place to restock and catch up with old friends

Steve epmbc 
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Kim on March 05, 2017, 08:34:44 pm
I get a little bored of the doomed opinion…

We have History, we have technology, we have many traders and manufacturers and if we do it right we have a great future.
Where we fail sometimes is embracing the new and passing on our passion… only today I witnessed a potential sub 25 year old’s enthusiasm and enquiry to join a club being given second place to finishing a cigarette…

Now I’m  aware I could be seen as bias but my excitement for this hobby has been with me since I can remember, what I don’t remember is a time to be more excited about our hobby, access to the excitement, accuracy and economy of cutting edge technology has never been better..

If we think the hobby is dead then we should have a re think and recognise that the younger generation can give hope and that our own views are what might be holding things back.

I see the magazines have not given much space to the new and probably more appealing technology that this hobby has and can benefit from.

I see a dead end until we all recognise the future of the hobbies possibilities, embrace them and pass on.

Roll on Coalville Show
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 05, 2017, 09:11:26 pm
I hear what you say Kim and I don't mean to be negative - just realistic. The reality is that the popularity of model boating is just a shadow of what it was in the 1970s and 1980s. I don't suppose for one moment that the hobby will disappear and those participating will indeed embrace modern technology as they have always done as exemplified by the application of Arduino to the operation of warship gun turrets. But the problem is basically one of dwindling numbers to support both the trade and shows and I don't see that situation changing anytime soon if ever.

The magazines can only publish what people are prepared to write. They don't employ staff writers and if the exponents of the new technologies are not willing to share their knowledge by submitting articles then these new developments will not appear in print!

To take up a hobby, people have to be interested in it and motivated. When I was a youngster modelling was what just about all boys did as a hobby and there was a model shop in every town. These days the younger generation have other and, to them, more exciting options to explore and that is what they do. Some will always be attracted by modelmaking but it is no longer a mainstream hobby in the way it once was. Now it is all about downsizing and the best ways to manage this. One option being explored is widening the scope of model boat shows to embrace other areas of model making which is fine by me if it enables those shows to continue.

Colin
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Kim on March 05, 2017, 09:26:07 pm

Colin in no way was my comment meant to be personal towards you.


The magazines can only publish what people are prepared to write. They don't employ staff writers and if the exponents of the new technologies are not willing to share their knowledge by submitting articles then these new developments will not appear in print!


Colin
Phone numbers on my website ... if you want to chat
Regards
Kim

Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: jarvo on March 05, 2017, 09:40:30 pm
To the organisers, thank you!!! without your efforts it would not happen.  Colin, your last line, i think you are right, Stavros, got the Blackpool show back on its feet by sharing the show space with the trucks and tanks, this has to be the way to go, as you say we are getting old and there is only a trickle of new blood coming in.


Possibly for  Ellesmere, a tank and truck area for demos outside might be a chance to open with the Canal trust. Footfall means money to them as well.


The big traders are with the drones and aircraft, there is a lot of interaction with equipment, radio's, servos etc. we aren't dead, we just need an update to modern thinking. Stop looking down, look forwards!!!


Once again, thanks to the organising team, especially the poor s..ds in the carpark who were still cheerful if wet as i left, with out you we have nothing


Mark
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 05, 2017, 10:16:20 pm
Kim, I didn't for one moment take your comments personally. I was just giving my own views on the subject. In my position I do see some facts and figures that are not generally available and I think we do need to adapt to a situation where model boater numbers are declining and are likely to continue to do so for a while yet.

When I attend shows I often feel that I am one of the younger ones there and I turn 69 next month! Many of the modellers I grew up with have effectively retired from the hobby now or are no longer with us. Back in the 70s & 80s I used to drive all over the country to regattas and shows but that no longer appeals the way it used to. Been there, done that and more interested in seeing the world while I still can these days.

Colin
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Kim on March 05, 2017, 10:52:26 pm
Colin,
I can remember when one club could full a substantial hall with static model boats, a pool. Coloring in books for kids to buy, featuring the models they had seen , postcards of the models with histories on the reverse, badges etc for sale to boost club funds.


that was in the early eighties. (Model Steamer Club, Glasgow ...if anyone is interested)




As for current shows, i see in many of the shows a lack of use of advertising and spark to catch interest, not all can be blamed on cash.


Obviously there are shows bucking the trend !


Ellmesmere were obviously affected by the temporary closure of the venue but power to the guys that did step up and make it happen!
Shows what can be achieved even when not all things are in your favour! An inspiration to all!


Regards,
Kim



Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: red181 on March 05, 2017, 11:45:01 pm


very interesting thread, to hear different opinions, as the forum is meant to be, sorry its sort of been hijacked.


On 19th march, at haydock (same venue as our boat show) I will be attending the LMA (Large Model Association) one day static show, its planes. It will be interesting to compare the attendance, and average age. The problem is (having sons myself) some of the kids don't want to build, they want to just turn up and play, thats why the plane boys have such a great market in artf  (almost ready to fly) models. These are either foamie, or balsa etc, and require very little work. To the kids they are exciting, fast, and ready to go. Our ready to sail boats can look sometimes like toys, and don't catch the imagination and excitement of the kids. I stood with a friend in the traders hall, and we spent time chatting about the average age. I felt young at 54. The problem is as wee get older, and retirement age creeps in, in most cases the disposable income drops quickly, also, all the older guys (I say this with admiration) are talented carpenters, electricians, engineers etc, where is the replacement talent coming from who can buy a sheet of ply, and craft it into a model scale boat? :((


A model train, car, tank, truck and a plane all look great sitting on a table at a show, but a boat on the other hand always looks far better on the water. Ellesmere is the only show I know of that has all day sailing, with our poor weather we are not able to show off the models to their best, which is a shame



Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Kim on March 05, 2017, 11:57:43 pm

very interesting thread, to hear different opinions, as the forum is meant to be, sorry its sort of been hijacked.


 I felt young at 54. The problem is as wee get older, and retirement age creeps in, in most cases the disposable income drops quickly, also, all the older guys (I say this with admiration) are talented carpenters, electricians, engineers etc, where is the replacement talent coming from who can buy a sheet of ply, and craft it into a model scale boat? :(( 




No disrespect to what has gone before, I can make a plug plank on frame, bread and butter etc.... , thanks to my Dad, but i'd almost always now cad draw and cnc machine it.

That's pretty much my previous point, there are far more interesting ways of making a model boat nowadays. Perhaps we are slipping behind modern teaching in some of our views lol

Regards,
Kim
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: mike_victoriabc on March 06, 2017, 03:53:10 am
We'd like to see photos if possible - another site perhaps?
Bit far to go bur perhaps one day. My wife's father was light keeper at Hilbre Lighthouse in late 40's.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: davidjt on March 06, 2017, 07:27:04 am

here is a few more photos I took on Saturday. still say it was a good show :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
may there be many more to come.


david
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Mortimer on March 06, 2017, 09:13:20 am
The points raised all seem to support what I originally said.  What I am suggesting though is rather than sit back and fall into the trap of a self congratulatory stance we look objectively at what the trends have been over the last few years and be a bit more proactive in preparing ourselves for it.  I don't buy into this "Well that's the way it is nowadays", it only is if we are complacent and allow it to be.

We have had some very good suggestions over the last few posts but we need to look into them seriously and act on them to prevent shows such as this ceasing to exist.  We all know the situation without referring to numbers and it is very plain to see that the time and expense that traders and clubs are putting into these events are not making it worth thier while attending.  Consequently they will stop doing so and everyone will loose out.

As has been mentioned it might be worthwhile to look outside our hobby with the obvious starting points being trucks, cars, tanks and aircraft etc.  New building techniques such as CAD etc, can we get hold of someone who can do demonstrations on a stand?  What about approaching a 3D printer manufacturer or owner and trying to get them to do demonstrations?  As regards attracting the youngsters what about buying a handfull of cheap plastic 'toy' RC boats and allocate them a play area on the water somewhere?

I am convinced that in this forum are the ideas that can be collected and incorporated to help breathe a fresh life into these shows and help to ensure thier future rather than sit back and quote that this is they way things are nowadays and watch them slip away.  I realise we are never going to get back to the glory days of the 70's and the 80's but that doesn't justify sitting back and watching the numbers slowly decline and claiming that we couldn't do anything about it. I'm not comparing with that far back, that really isn't relevent, I'm looking at the last 10 to 15 years.

Just to be sure this is not seen as being negative I am not saying that it wasn't a good show, but I am saying that the trends are there for us all to see and we should react to them.  I'm sure it  would be interesting to see how many trade stands, clubs and public there were in attendance 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: yewgarth on March 06, 2017, 10:16:15 am
Anyway... a bit of good news if anyone's interested, the Bring and Buy broke all records! Thanks to Ray for his help and Yorky for providing the coffee
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 06, 2017, 10:48:46 am
I am all for anything that will improve matters but it's not essentially about supporting shows but boosting the hobby really. The idea of providing boats for youngsters to use on pools at shows is one that has been used on a number of occasions and has certainly been quite popular. The trouble is that, having kindled the spark of interest, what next? The obvious one is to direct the person to their local club, if there is one and if it does cater for young people. Not always the case these days.

Sorry to go back to the 70s and 80s but in those days model boating was a significant hobby area with a good national infrastructure. Many, if not most clubs were affiliated to the MPBA which represented the hobby nationally, organised regional and national championships for the various branches, Scale, Fast Electrics, Hydros etc. and sent teams to represent the UK at international events such as Naviga. The hobby was largely run by people of working age, often young and with bags of enthusiasm and energy. So a youngster would have the support and opportunity to participate in the hobby at various levels and even represent their country if they were really keen and had the ability. All this infrastructure has pretty much disappeared now and I don't see it coming back.

I took a break from the hobby during the 1990s to pursue other interests including owning a small full sized boat. When I left, numbers were on a bit of a downward slope but the basic structure of the hobby was still in place. Ten years later when I began to get involved again the situation was almost unrecognisable. On the scale side, which has always had the big numbers, interest in competitions had practically collapsed and it seemed that boaters were content to sail around in circles at their local clubs rather than tackle the interesting and challenging steering courses which were a feature of the MPBA competitions. That did remove a lot of the interest for me on the sailing side although I still enjoy building.

These days it is hard to escape the impression that the hobby is now largely populated by grandads, albeit that many of them are the older versions of the keen youngsters of the 70s etc. Me for example! That essential middle level age group needed to sustain the vitality of the hobby is a shadow of its former self - and of course they are the ones with the kids!

Colin
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: carlmt on March 06, 2017, 11:01:33 am
Just a quick response from me..........

Linkspan Models would most certainly have been at this show had it not been for the deadline of getting our next kit prototype ready for the Dortmund show.  I have always wanted to attend the Ellesmere Port show and it is not a case of attendance being on the basis of 'making it pay'.  For us, it is primarily getting out there and showing what we are doing.

Our kits try and embrace the modern methods in that the kit is designed on CAD, the superstructures are all cut on a laser cutter and the fittings are 95% printed 3D items. 

I hope that the shows continue as this is the main way that kit manufacturers (especially) can get their wares in front of those that might be interested for close scrutiny.  A picture on a website just doesn't substitute for seeing the model in the flesh (so to speak).  Fine for bits and bobs like batteries etc.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: adamD98 on March 06, 2017, 11:05:57 am

Morning all,


 Just to add that me, my better half and my Dad attended again this year, and although we cannot argue that numbers have indeed dwindled we still enjoyed it despite the poor weather conditions.


 I cannot personally speak for yesteryear, I am 30 and if I am not mistaken I am quite possibly one of the youngest who enjoys this hobby (I know of one or two others who are the same age or a tad younger). I would very much like to see more people my age and younger come into the hobby, but the attraction of games consoles and drones etc. as has been mentioned is something which seems to appeal more unfortunately.


 I might not have the experience behind me and I might not attend every meeting and event going (Work and family comes first) but I would hate to see shows like this completely disappear into the history books. So, I am prepared to take on suggestions from more experienced modellers and enthusiasts such as yourselves (I didn't say older, except for saying I didn't say older  %) ) as to what I can do as a younger modeller to bring these things back into the spotlight.


 Thank you Steve and to all of the folks who put on a great weekend, despite the set backs and challenges presented. We will always endeavour to attend this one.  :-))
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: BFSMP on March 06, 2017, 11:39:06 am

The points raised all seem to support what I originally said.  What I am suggesting though is rather than sit back and fall into the trap of a self congratulatory stance we look objectively at what the trends have been over the last few years and be a bit more proactive in preparing ourselves for it.  I don't buy into this "Well that's the way it is nowadays", it only is if we are complacent and allow it to be.

We have had some very good suggestions over the last few posts but we need to look into them seriously and act on them to prevent shows such as this ceasing to exist.  We all know the situation without referring to numbers and it is very plain to see that the time and expense that traders and clubs are putting into these events are not making it worth thier while attending.  Consequently they will stop doing so and everyone will loose out.

As has been mentioned it might be worthwhile to look outside our hobby with the obvious starting points being trucks, cars, tanks and aircraft etc.  New building techniques such as CAD etc, can we get hold of someone who can do demonstrations on a stand?  What about approaching a 3D printer manufacturer or owner and trying to get them to do demonstrations?  As regards attracting the youngsters what about buying a handfull of cheap plastic 'toy' RC boats and allocate them a play area on the water somewhere?

I am convinced that in this forum are the ideas that can be collected and incorporated to help breathe a fresh life into these shows and help to ensure thier future rather than sit back and quote that this is they way things are nowadays and watch them slip away.  I realise we are never going to get back to the glory days of the 70's and the 80's but that doesn't justify sitting back and watching the numbers slowly decline and claiming that we couldn't do anything about it. I'm not comparing with that far back, that really isn't relevent, I'm looking at the last 10 to 15 years.

Just to be sure this is not seen as being negative I am not saying that it wasn't a good show, but I am saying that the trends are there for us all to see and we should react to them.  I'm sure it  would be interesting to see how many trade stands, clubs and public there were in attendance 10 years ago.


I seem to remember reading all this rhetoric doom and gloom after the Blackpool show, and other shows last year.


do we have to go through the same old same old, every time a show comes and goes.


this forum is fast being filled with posts on whinging.


Mortimer, if you feel so strongly about this, then attach yourself to one of the clubs associated with a show and give your time and input, and I am sure that they would greet you with open arms, but I for one am a little fed up with doom and gloom on here.


Jim.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 06, 2017, 12:07:34 pm
Jim, what else do you expect from a forum full of grumpy old men!  ;)

Of course the country is going to the dogs - it always has done.

I'm happy enough with my modelling actually but just less inclined to travel hundreds of miles these days.

Colin
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 06, 2017, 12:31:43 pm
On a more practical note, the key to keeping shows going is to attract people through the door and that requires clubs and traders these days.

Since it is unlikely that we can magic up a new generation of boat modellers in the short term then I agree with Stavros and others that the way forward is to extend the scope of the shows by introducing other branches of modelling. If promoted properly then this should increase footfall as while people who make models do tend to concentrate on one type they often welcome the opportunity to look at other branches of the hobby and there is often a good crossover of ideas. Plus there is likely to be a wider range of traders at multi model shows and model boaters can often find interesting items and things to solve their problems when looking at stalls which normally serve other hobby areas, model railways for example.

What's not to like really?

Colin
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Bowwave on March 06, 2017, 12:32:16 pm
As a number on here will know my own affiliation to all things boat shape goes back  a long long way  and I have  the experience of hindsight .  For the   hobby has changes significantly  to a point where it  can be unhelpful  to compere events  of the past with how they are today. Yet   I can recall events in the 1970s  which I was actively involved in attract   thousands of spectators.   We were leaders in Naviga  { world governing body for ship model sport}  at every level , there was over four thousand  modellers affiliated to the MPBA,  and  you needed a licence to operate your R/c equipment . Even   the original Convention  in  1990   made use of  the lower and upper basins at the Boat Museum  and ran a wide range of public displays  which pulled in     thousands  of  visitors      We can't go back to the past  and will  have  adapt  to the present even if it means less  and different type of shows   but it is a sobering thought  prior to 1989   there was no  specific  label  or mention of a dedicated  Model Boat Show  with trade , club and on the water activities combined   they all  blossomed  in the 1990s .
Bowwave
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Colin Bishop on March 06, 2017, 12:51:14 pm
Yes, you are right Dave, but did the blossoming of the club/trader shows in the 1990s reflect the downturn in the original national model boating infrastructure together with the loss of local model shops from where most of us had been accustomed to buy the majority of our stuff? The shows provided, and still do do some extent, an alternative retail source which is now being undermined, perhaps fatally by the Internet.

The old Model Engineering Exhibition did have a strong trader presence but it was a multi modelling show.

Colin
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Tug Fanatic on March 06, 2017, 01:57:56 pm

The really big numbers of modellers & families attend the large mainly model aircraft shows such as Wings & Wheels. If part of the idea of shows is to interest new hobbyists then I am surprised that model boats are not pushed harder in these large aircraft shows. I know Wings & Wheels does have a model boat tent but it hardly compares with the larger model boat shows. Perhaps it is model boats that need adding to aircraft as well as tanks & trucks that need adding to model boats.


A lot of model aircraft guys have the odd model boat which you pretty well always take home in one piece at the end of the day. I also suspect that there are a lot of older aeromodellers, who have been model makers rather than just flyers, who now find flying tricky because or eyesight etc issues.


None of this is meant to reduce my admiration for those who organised Ellesmere Port nor the show which I have thoroughly enjoyed in previous years but could not attend this year.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: BFSMP on March 06, 2017, 02:20:35 pm

Jim, what else do you expect from a forum full of grumpy old men!  ;)

Of course the country is going to the dogs - it always has done.

I'm happy enough with my modelling actually but just less inclined to travel hundreds of miles these days.

Colin


 {-) {-) {-) O0 O0
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Robbie11 on March 06, 2017, 02:43:17 pm
I'm a fairly recent convert to the world of Model Boats, albeit the military variety at present. I would guess that I'm probably one of the younger members on here (51). I came over to the world of model boats after years of building aircraft kits, it was time for a change. Moving to the Wirral hastened this change, especially having seen HMS Plymouth being towed away to her fate, I just had to make my poor attempt at a tribute to her.
I find the Ellesmere Port show to be a well managed and presented show with my only real issue being the lack of boats actually sailing! This could be down to the weather or just a pause in the activity when I was visiting (although I have visited 3 out of the last 4 years and always had the same  impression)As a child, something moving was always more interesting than looking at a static object. There were many fanstastic models on display and I'm assuming most were r/c ready so why not more in the water?
I found the traders who were there to be very helpful and encouraging and are likely to get my money when I begin my next project (could be the Norland!! Falklands fit out).As mentioned, my interest is in military vessels, especially RN so to that end its a little disappointing that neither Fleetscale or Scalewarship attended this show if indeed they do any these days.
Ultimately though having a user friendly website with excellent customer service is the way forward but this can be backed up with a physical presence at shows to get your name and product range noticed. Regular and insightful updates on social media helps too (always look forward to what Linkspan are up to!!)
Robbie
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: BFSMP on March 06, 2017, 02:48:32 pm

Perhaps it is model boats that need adding to aircraft as well as tanks & trucks that need adding to model boats.


Avery good point tug fanatic and perhaps you are correct......perhaps a little arrogant of us [well, not me as I haven't built one yet] model boat builders to expect other genre of the modelling fraternity to fit in with us, rather than the other way around.


perhaps a first step would be to make presence known at the Woodvale, Southport air show for anyone willing to travel, both exhibiters and traders where there is a magnificent turn out of aircraft models and the real thing, and a growing number of model boats courtesy of the Southport and district model boat club.


this show is scheduled for Friday to Sunday September 15-17.


And if people are willing to advertise the hobby, why not such shows as the Woodvale transport rally, Southport, where both boat and aircraft modellers show their wares...why not traders and bring and buy's at these to promote the hobby.     http://www.woodvalerally.com/ (http://www.woodvalerally.com/)


Jim.


Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: gingyer on March 06, 2017, 04:41:38 pm

I was at Ellesmere port on Saturday, and a well done to the organisers for putting on a show.
Yes numbers were down but the organisers cannot make people attend. What has changed from year to year?
Its not the show the traders are there, the displays are there but the people as in US modellers are not there!
people moan when there is no shows, they moan when its a poor show but ultimately if we do not attend you cannot blame the organisers or the show they can only really supply the venue.


I am in a model boat club with approximately 100 members, the majority of them are a waste of space no real interest in model boating, just looking for somewhere to go. Numbers traveling to other local club open days are non-existent. i remember in June and July going from club to club supporting each other now nothing, clubs struggle to get their own members to turn up on open days never mind others.

On a more practical note, the key to keeping shows going is to attract people through the door and that requires clubs and traders these days.

Since it is unlikely that we can magic up a new generation of boat modellers in the short term then I agree with Stavros and others that the way forward is to extend the scope of the shows by introducing other branches of modelling. If promoted properly then this should increase footfall as while people who make models do tend to concentrate on one type they often welcome the opportunity to look at other branches of the hobby and there is often a good crossover of ideas. Plus there is likely to be a wider range of traders at multi model shows and model boaters can often find interesting items and things to solve their problems when looking at stalls which normally serve other hobby areas, model railways for example.

What's not to like really?



for the last 4 years, I have organised a modelling competition for a youth organisation aged 12-20. numbers taking part are up and down but there are youths out there taking part. HOWEVER last year I arranged for one group of them to attend a local model show, it was primarily model boats but there were other modellers there I was on holiday and when I got back I was DISGUSTED to find the modellers were complaining to the organisers about the youth group being there!
If nobody is willing to interact with the future then stop moaning about the death of the hobby.....

Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: mersey dave on March 06, 2017, 04:45:29 pm
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Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: march show on March 06, 2017, 04:46:37 pm
Great ideas, I know we had trucks and diggers the other year and I would love the tanks too, but it needs someone to organise it and I for one have not the time on top of doing what I do. if a club of trucks or tanks wants to come then I am all for it then please contact me and also to others too. we do clash with other shows also and when it comes to getting people to put a stand on in another hobby type, which I would be up for, if time permitted. The truth is, and I will confirm this at our next meeting, not many want the responsibility of putting a show on. I myself wouldn't have done this show if it wasn't for the late John Hughes, we egged each other on and we did a great job. It has been hard to do it without him, not just for what he or I did but just for the reassurance we gave each other. I have a small but great club that I'm part of and Malcolm and I just about do it with the help of Runcorn too. The old shows that were run had an army of helpers which we just don't have I hope we can get the numbers up, but maybe we as a hobby need to pool out resources to get better, just a thought.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: BFSMP on March 06, 2017, 06:44:09 pm


HOWEVER last year I arranged for one group of them to attend a local model show, it was primarily model boats but there were other modellers there I was on holiday and when I got back I was DISGUSTED to find the modellers were complaining to the organisers about the youth group being there!
If nobody is willing to interact with the future then stop moaning about the death of the hobby.....


well said gingyer.


I know of a club not a million miles from me that think that the youth of today are the DEVIL'S INCARNATE.....no wonder there are no new builders coming through.


Jim.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Dave Cook on March 06, 2017, 07:13:26 pm
Wow , The negative vibes p*** me off , The show was great .

Regards Dave  >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: big_bri on March 06, 2017, 07:33:31 pm
Wow , The negative vibes p*** me off , The show was great .

Regards Dave  >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(

Whole heartedly agree Dave.
I was there Saturday and will be there again next year and for as long as its running, its a great show.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: john44 on March 07, 2017, 09:19:47 am
Being negative and moaning about the shows will send out the wrong message and discourage
People and clubs & traders who we should be encouraging to attend for the future of the hobby.
I attended the show on Saturday purchased all the parts and fittings I needed to finish my boat
Met old friends.
I would like to thank the organisers,traders & clubs who put on the show,


John
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: poll on March 07, 2017, 12:33:28 pm
Anyway... a bit of good news if anyone's interested, the Bring and Buy broke all records! Thanks to Ray for his help and Yorky for providing the coffee

 Thanks Martin you did a great job, & your crew.

 John
                 POLL
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: red181 on March 08, 2017, 12:05:11 am

Quote
Wow , The negative vibes p*** me off , The show was great .


you have missed the point entirely, nobody has said once the show at Ellesmere was poor, everyone has said it was great, the conversation is about declining numbers. I was talking to a friend on a club stand, his club has nearly 20 members pledge to turn up, 8 actually turned up. Its probably the "boaters" themselves that are letting the hobby down


Its a fantastic location, must be without doubt the best, the only show I know of with a large body of water to sail on, plenty of space, free parking, the attraction of the museum, easy motorway access, a lot of clubs within 1 hour travelling, nearby hotels etc, nearby large shopping complex for the wife :}  what more could we ask for, well there is something, the "sit at home " brigade who don't support the hard work and effort put in by the small unpaid minority to give us the pleasure of such a show.


Now we need more people, we need younger people, we need those in work with disposable income to buy things from the shops and traders. Maybe follow Blackpool show 2016  lead  next year and not rely on the "sit at homers" to turn up, and attract rc planes, tanks, trucks, drones, helis, there is also room for trains, we can all help each other to survive.


I must agree though, a moving boat looks so much better, out of curiosity, why is it that so many of the fully rc equipped models stay static all the show?


Sermon over! :embarrassed:   
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: D108 on March 08, 2017, 12:42:29 am
I have  visited the show for many years and have displayed on a few occasions, shifts allowing, this year the wife even came although a trip to Cheshire oaks on our return was the main factor in that.
I do like the site but I don't think it lends itself to displaying and sailing boats rooms being dotted about on different levels etc. It's not like displaying at the pondside.  My models are a little big to taken through the museum to the water. Having said that it's a unique venue and it adds character and I will continue to support it.


I was chatting to a member of another club at an event last year and he said there had been resistance to activities regarding attracting younger modellers for fear of being branded peadophiles ! Im late 40's and usually the youngest person sailing at my club.


Paul

Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: imsinking on March 08, 2017, 09:21:02 am

you have missed the point entirely, nobody has said once the show at Ellesmere was poor, everyone has said it was great, the conversation is about declining numbers. I was talking to a friend on a club stand, his club has nearly 20 members pledge to turn up, 8 actually turned up. Its probably the "boaters" themselves that are letting the hobby down


Its a fantastic location, must be without doubt the best, the only show I know of with a large body of water to sail on, plenty of space, free parking, the attraction of the museum, easy motorway access, a lot of clubs within 1 hour travelling, nearby hotels etc, nearby large shopping complex for the wife :}  what more could we ask for, well there is something, the "sit at home " brigade who don't support the hard work and effort put in by the small unpaid minority to give us the pleasure of such a show.


Now we need more people, we need younger people, we need those in work with disposable income to buy things from the shops and traders. Maybe follow Blackpool show 2016  lead  next year and not rely on the "sit at homers" to turn up, and attract rc planes, tanks, trucks, drones, helis, there is also room for trains, we can all help each other to survive.


I must agree though, a moving boat looks so much better, out of curiosity, why is it that so many of the fully rc equipped models stay static all the show?


Sermon over! :embarrassed:


Hey Paul (red 181) I had my newly brushless converted Swordsman there on the W M B S stand ready to go , I elected not to because of all the debris that was being washed down the canal , definitely a rudder / prop destroyer at high speed , even one of the full size canal boats got a piece of 4x4 timber wedged under the bows . . . the tugs were able to go thru constant cleaning efforts by the stewards  :-))  , nothing wrong with the show as far as I'm concerned  .
 
Bill
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: canalpilot on March 08, 2017, 12:16:00 pm
I do hope the Show was enjoyed by everyone who attended, it does mean a lot of time consuming and hard work. I start the process in ernest in about September although it is supposed to be put down on the museums calender for the next year the day after we close the show.  I would like to thank the traders who attended, they have been loyal supporters of the show for many yeras and I would like to thank all the clubs, especially Runcorn who help us set up the club stands, who displayed their models, again loyal supporters of the Show.  I would also like to thank my own club members for being behind Steve and I in the organisation of the show, everyone does a great job towards it.
 
With regard to declining numbers in our hobby, may I float an idea to you all who read this forum.  Do schools still have classes in practical craft work and if so maybe if such a class was donated a kit of a model to make, and I do not mean an airfix kit, but a much more substantial model, would we perhaps gain a few young modellers to come into the hobby.  Future modelling will no doubt use laser cutters and 3 D printing, all controlled by computers, which would not only continue a youngsters interest in computers but hopefull would get him intereted in the finished object, ie a static or an RC model boat.  I do appreciate that there maybe some concerns about youngsters mixing with older people but there can be safeguards in place to combat this.  My own interest in modelling was building Airfix kits which culminated in the Matchbox Corvette, as it was then,  into which I put my first radio controlled gear.
I also wonder if it those club members who moan about the decline in our hobby but are the very ones who sit on their backsides, being negative, buy through the internet and do not attend any shows, are the very ones who are contributing to the decline of our hobby.

There you go I have had my rant!!!!!
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: abreese on March 08, 2017, 01:51:38 pm
I purchased a few items at the show,could have got them on the net but held back so I could support the show.
good show good atmosphere met some mates had a laugh.
use it or loose it I say. well done the organisers.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Kim on March 08, 2017, 03:04:26 pm
  Do schools still have classes in practical craft work and if so maybe if such a class was donated a kit of a model to make, and I do not mean an airfix kit, but a much more substantial model, would we perhaps gain a few young modellers to come into the hobby.  Future modelling will no doubt use laser cutters and 3 D printing, all controlled by computers, which would not only continue a youngsters interest in computers but hopefull would get him intereted in the finished object, ie a static or an RC model boat.


Yes they do and in some ways i feel went to school to early ... my powder coated trowel went directly to the bin ... why couldn't we have been taught how to make a fiberglass kayak or something interesting lol





Two sites of interest -


http://website.denford.ltd.uk/ (http://website.denford.ltd.uk/)


http://www.f1inschools.com/ (http://www.f1inschools.com/)
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Davew on March 08, 2017, 03:26:28 pm
What  wI'll happened if we don't  have  model  shows and what will happen  to  this forum  we it be about tanks ,Lorry's  and plastic  kits  we need  to  support  shows and shops or there will be no model boats .


Had my rant



DaveW
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Grumpy Dave on August 29, 2017, 09:20:15 pm
I hear that 2018 show may not be taking place. I'm 45min away and always miss it, my fault. On the subject of declining numbers, I am a kit car fan and the number of kit car shows has fallen dramatically. Just not financially viable. Again we see the lack of young people coming up. At our club meets there are very few under 50's. The world is changing. We don't make boats out of bits we find or scrounge any more. Post war if you wanted it you made it, you even had repair washers to mend holey saucepans. Now there is little make it ethos and everything can be bought, why would young people want to make things when there is Ready to run/fly/sail. Instant gratification.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: canalpilot on August 29, 2017, 11:39:21 pm
Grumpy Dave has heard that the Ellesmere Port Model Boat Club will not be doing the boat show next March, this is correct.  I do not know whether the Museum will run one.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: dave king on September 02, 2017, 07:51:23 pm
I also was told from a lot of different people that the 2018 show was not going to be held.Would be good to hear from the show organisers if this is true or not.I for one would be sad if this was correct that the show is no longer to be held any more.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: canalpilot on September 03, 2017, 12:10:11 am

I understand that the Ellesmere Port Model Boat Club will no longer be organising the March Show, the reason being that at least three of the main traders stated they would not return again, lack of advertising by the Museum and even more reduced space in the Island Warehouse. Yes it is a shame.  Whether the Museum its self would run a show is not known.
As far as is known there will be no show in 2018. 
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: ministeve on September 03, 2017, 10:10:01 am
could anyone involved or that knows someone involved in our other forms of RC i.e tanks airplanes or trucks pls contact me by PM I'm after talking to club secretary's or chairmen
thanks Steve
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: andyram on September 03, 2017, 11:04:57 pm
It would be a shame to see the demise of this show.In an ideal world it would continue at the Boat Museum.Would it be at all viable to go to the Epic Centre again.This may encourage the traders to return and give us a show under one roof.


Ellesmere is a good show and your efforts in putting it on is appreciated.We always look forward to this 1st show of the year.
Good luck to everyone.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: TheLongBuild on September 03, 2017, 11:26:11 pm
Thought the Epic Centre got knocked down ?.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: ministeve on September 03, 2017, 11:53:13 pm
Epic centre was rubbish and is no more
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: andyram on September 04, 2017, 08:08:49 am
Nice pleasant replies.Sorry living about 80 miles away I am hardly likely to know these places are no longer available.I merely thought a place such as Epic centre would have been better than no venue.

Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: TheLongBuild on September 04, 2017, 01:27:34 pm
Nice pleasant replies.Sorry living about 80 miles away I am hardly likely to know these places are no longer available.I merely thought a place such as Epic centre would have been better than no venue.


My Reply was a question , I only live 29 miles away and was not sure if it had finally been knocked down and was hardly a not nice reply ..
That all said, was a new centre not built.?
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: steam up on September 05, 2017, 08:33:10 am
Don'think its an issue about the venue , rather our changing shopping habits. The net has a lot to answer for.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: imsinking on September 05, 2017, 10:01:03 am
Don'think its an issue about the venue , rather our changing shopping habits. The net has a lot to answer for.
I've got to disagree with you , it WAS the venue , everything was spread all over the place and wasn't advertised correctly (2017)
EPMBC lost their organizer last year , that cant have helped , the club have also had to leave the boat museum .
Hopefully the temporary site their now at may turn out to be permanent, there's a MASSIVE covered area that would concentrate everything in one place & a new building being reconstructed , would be even better if it's got modern lighting , they would welcome an influx of the public here as their off the beaten track slightly . . . .it can benefit EVERYBODY .
As Ministeve is thinking . . .  boats/ rc cars-trucks /aircraft-hovercraft , anything that can show a modellers ability's , trade stands aren't everything , we NEED to get the kids interested or we'll be the last generation doing this , the clock's ticking . . . . 
Bill
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: steam up on September 05, 2017, 10:25:51 am
It was more a general statement about the impact of on line shopping. I agree that the venue had issues but the club organisers going back to the 90s put on a top show.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Fastfaz on September 05, 2017, 02:20:44 pm
  I think that unless we can drag the kids away for trying to wear out their fingers and thumbs on play stations and tablets the righting is on the wall for modelling in general. Steve is spot on with a wider appeal i.e. trucks trains,tanks you name it, this is only my opinion but the kids seem to like speed and if we are all truthful (being an old fart qualifies this) we don't like the speed side when sailing our own pride and joy. When was the last time that you saw an older person trying to encourage someone who was either very young or a newcomer to our hobby? Whether we like it or not things change and we, if we want to see continuation of modelling, have to go with the flow.
       Good luck!
           Rant over.
                  Regards, Pete. {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: john44 on September 05, 2017, 07:35:04 pm
The boat club I am a member of have 2 (slowed down)club 500 boats set up for the kiddies to use
And are available twice a week We'd & Sun. Believe me boys and girls line up to have a go
Supervised by club members, hopefully some will be future club members somewhere.


John
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: smudger1309 on September 05, 2017, 11:39:46 pm
it be shame if it no longer running,   it is were i brought my very first two RC model boats back in 2013 on bring and buy,  then joined my local club
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: ministeve on September 06, 2017, 12:32:29 pm
Watch this space guys we are trying honesty for me the show was started to help the traders and they done there job and supported us so I would like to continue that if at all possible but we all have to support our shows
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Dave Cook on October 19, 2017, 07:36:56 pm
it really is a great show , lf lt goes ahead Please support it . >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-( >>:-(
Dave
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: jarvo on October 19, 2017, 09:37:21 pm
Yes its a superb show, the organisers i think were let down by the museum, they had not finished the refurb to the cafe and from what i saw the staff were not interested in the model show.  I hope the show goes ahead, with the support of the museum it will be a great show again.


Mark
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Neil on October 19, 2017, 11:12:41 pm

I am not being critical of the show, but without that show and others that take place at the Boat Museum, I don't think the museum would have a future. the displays haven't differed from the days that I used to sail into the port on my narrow boat in the early 1990's.


In fact the exhibits have somewhat declined with the loss of the Daniel Adamson and other ships and boats.


I would have thought that as lifelines such as these shows are to the income of a museum offering  exhibits to a limited audience, they would welcome shows with open and enthusiastic arms, and try their best to accommodate those who do make the journey.


I sailed into Ellesmere port on my boat 3 times in the 7 years I owned and sailed her, and to be honest, very little changed indeed, and still doesn't, sadly.



Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Skimmer Fan on January 02, 2018, 08:43:20 pm
Is there anything being arranged by Ellesmere Port MBC this year.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Stan on January 02, 2018, 09:01:24 pm
I do not think this is going to happen this year. Heard nothing on the grapevine.

Stan. :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :((
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: smudger1309 on January 02, 2018, 09:42:02 pm
who is in charge of Ellesmere Port Model Boat Club
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: Stan on January 02, 2018, 10:13:46 pm
The Ellesmere club are no longer based at the at the museum. Like I said earlier I do not think there will be any show at museum sadly I do not have any contact for the club.

Stan.
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: smudger1309 on January 02, 2018, 10:24:43 pm
i didnt want to ask about the show was on a another matter  :-))
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: poll on January 02, 2018, 11:40:03 pm
Smudger.  Contact ministeve  EPMBC


 Have a look at December model boat mag
 Regarding the move good write up by Dave Wooley


  John
Title: Re: Ellesmere Port Model Boat Show
Post by: smudger1309 on January 02, 2018, 11:51:11 pm
thank you very much  :-))