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Title: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 14, 2017, 07:35:51 PM
I'm sorry that my Billings Smit Rotterdam is too far on to start afresh with a blog BUT
My Portgarth arrives this Friday so I'll supply pictures as I go from day one.


For those interested I do still upload Rotty pics here. I'm a beginner but doing not too bad.
https://techno.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/ (https://techno.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/)
 {-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/i-NDSGGHd/0/X2/IMG_0308-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 16, 2017, 03:08:07 PM
True to form I got my dispatch email today for overnight delivery  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 17, 2017, 01:30:46 PM





The box
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-d2SKmCs/0/X2/IMG_0783-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-PdwxjRJ/0/X2/IMG_0784-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-4pnX9L9/1/X2/IMG_0786-X2.jpg)
Here we go
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-hKQKz3p/0/X2/IMG_0787-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 17, 2017, 01:34:24 PM
I guess I'll start with the Skeg and making a stand.
To bow thrust or NOT to bow thrust, what do you think?
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: norry on March 17, 2017, 02:22:29 PM
If you are going to try towing with your tug then its a Big YES...

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on March 17, 2017, 02:52:38 PM
What are the bits on the top shelf from.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 17, 2017, 04:05:59 PM
What are the bits on the top shelf from.
Halfords
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: cos918 on March 17, 2017, 04:24:27 PM
Bow thruster defentaly . You will have more fun


John
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Netleyned on March 17, 2017, 04:32:08 PM
Halfords


Think he means the other shelf {-) {-)
Ned
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 17, 2017, 04:53:42 PM

Think he means the other shelf {-) {-)
Ned
Yes I know  {-)
If he looks at the Tug under the bench  O0
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 17, 2017, 04:58:14 PM
My Afon Alaw has the biggest Roebesch thruster fitted but it will rotate on the spot just with the steerable korts and appropriate prop rotation.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Netleyned on March 17, 2017, 05:19:20 PM
Walked past the 1:1 version last week
in the Fishdock.


Ned
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 17, 2017, 07:17:04 PM
Ok first up is a reality check.
It's not safe to rely on the MMM casting marks for rudders Korts or props, best only for an approximation.
Using a number of set squares to cross check I have attained accurate parallel centre lines.
The hull without deck is currently 301mm wide.
The Kort or rudder centres are 70mm either side of Keel line and 80mm from each edge
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-g4WqRRq/0/X2/IMG_0788-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-cPmhKd5/0/L/IMG_0790-L.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-nKj89RS/0/L/IMG_0789-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 17, 2017, 07:44:55 PM
Kort holes drilled with a pilot then a quality step drill
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-FsxTXdF/0/XL/IMG_0791-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 17, 2017, 07:50:34 PM
Korts assembled and cleaned up with files and sandpaper
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-QLfz435/0/XL/IMG_0792-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-q3L7dx5/0/L/image-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 17, 2017, 08:12:17 PM
I must point out that I'm disappointed with the inconsistency.
The kort tube support on the left is beautiful but the one on the right should have been binned IMHO
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-rxQcNJb/0/L/IMG_0796-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 17, 2017, 08:45:16 PM
Setting those Kort shafts up perpendicular and parallel is going to be quite a feat I think.
For now I'm preparing the motor mounts with 140mm centres
Using an offcut of Paxolin from work I will drill and tap this.
Paxolin is made from laminated resin bonded paper and is waterproof.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-fVCXjWr/0/L/IMG_0797-L.jpg)
These motors are much BIGGER than the MMM T12 but they are a 12 pole low rev motor and I imagine quite a bit more powerful. They are so big that standard motor mount brackets have to be modified
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Afon/i-k8sH5rh/0/XL/IMG_0623-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 17, 2017, 10:18:07 PM
Again pilot holes and step drill. Will file out tomorrow
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-pkBtxzG/0/X2/IMG_0798-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-nPNDKSj/0/X2/IMG_0799-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-BPPJFdX/0/X2/IMG_0800-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 18, 2017, 11:51:33 AM
Ok guys
If I don't fit it I won't have the option  :-))
So rather than the twin prop Raboesch that is fitted in my Athon I've opted for the largest paddle version.
My thinking is that if it fails it is easy to fix whilst as far as I know the twin prop version would have to be cut out if the drive wears out.
Local Leeds model shop happened to be cheapest too
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-DmqbFSZ/0/XL/IMG_0802-XL.jpg)
Today I must focus on making a stand before going any further
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 18, 2017, 02:44:49 PM

Well that was relatively painless and FREE. Some of the junk I keep in the shed just in case that the wife <*< on about finally got put to good use {-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-5GFChdX/0/X2/IMG_0803-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-Nk5wjwd/0/X2/IMG_0805-X2.jpg)
Just to cut slots for the prop shafts


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-n7BtQF5/0/X2/IMG_0804-X2.jpg)


An afterthought! I could actually put a base and a pair of wheels on that for transport  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 18, 2017, 02:49:44 PM
Before starting this build I searched everywhere for other build blogs and frustratingly all threads died not long into the build.
This thread will run I promise.
Feel free to jump in anywhere with advice or even questions


Shortcut to all photos for those that can't be arsed with the reading  {-)
https://techno.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-BPPJFdX
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Fastfaz on March 18, 2017, 04:47:05 PM
  Good luck with the build, I know where you are coming from re the hull moulding and quality of parts supplied with the kit. When you lay out that much money you would expect much better quality components to be supplied, I bought some Kort nozzles from them 70mm one was fine the other one looked like something from a Kindergarten play dough session! Okay a tiny bit of trimming we can accept but these nozzles looked like they had met up with a very coarse belt sander or a linisher and lets face it they are not cheap to buy.
     Moan over.
          Cheers, Pete.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 18, 2017, 04:49:02 PM
Thanks Pete
Yes they could be should be better
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 18, 2017, 07:05:19 PM

Handy tip. The Kort tubes are 8mm ID and useful for aiding alignment if you are 8 to 8 like mine.
I may have to cut my motor mount in two to get lower.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-cb3JXFF/0/XL/IMG_0809-XL.jpg)(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-jPLDhgX/0/X2/IMG_0812-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-P59T8Tp/0/X2/IMG_0815-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 19, 2017, 11:13:47 AM
I was right about motor mount  :-))
Now in two halves
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-PfCfTLg/0/X2/IMG_0821-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-kvhMBHb/0/X2/IMG_0820-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: mersey dave on March 19, 2017, 12:03:37 PM
Looking good  :-)) them motors look good ..... what type are they.

Regards Dave.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 19, 2017, 12:07:40 PM
Made by Valeo I believe to drive a chair lift through a gearbox.
The pair in my Athon only draw 10.5 amps on full load
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Afon/i-qMs2RhS/0/L/IMG_0723-L.jpg)



Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: mersey dave on March 19, 2017, 12:13:26 PM
Thanks mate  :-)) I do like the look of them.......will have to have a look on the web.

Regards Dave.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 19, 2017, 01:44:46 PM
Having satisfied myself that I've got the shallowest shaft angle possible, I've set the shaft supports in place with P38
The shaft ends are set as close to the Korts as possible with the Eze extensions removed.
I now have hands free for further fine adjustment. There is still play in the P bracket holes and not glued to the tubes at this point.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-K8rWWnw/0/L/IMG_0825-L.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-FrSBxVX/0/L/IMG_0824-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 19, 2017, 01:52:47 PM
Thanks mate  :-)) I do like the look of them.......will have to have a look on the web.

Regards Dave.


These are the closest regular boat motor but small in comparison and mine have huge bearings and 8mm shaft
http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/cem900.html
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 19, 2017, 02:10:50 PM
At this early stage I'm already thinking this must have a huge displacement so I would think it ought to handle 2x12 volt 9ah ?
This should enable well over two hours play
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-hDDBQD5/0/XL/IMG_0827-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: mersey dave on March 19, 2017, 03:02:20 PM

These are the closest regular boat motor but small in comparison and mine have huge bearings and 8mm shaft
http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/cem900.html

The 900 motors are what I have in my maltby driving 65mm props runs very well with loads of power.

Regards Dave.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 19, 2017, 03:09:27 PM
Glad I made the stand which works equally well upside down. Many jobs would be so difficult without it.
Bowthruster marked, I've chosen a spot that allows the maximum length of tube
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-TNwhD7J/0/X2/IMG_0828-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 20, 2017, 08:29:05 PM
 :-))
My first ever cut & thrust. Now please tell me what is the best fixing method? should I go with the P38 or Resin?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-XhXtkp8/0/X2/IMG_0837-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-sSh2s8R/0/X2/IMG_0840-X2.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-q7nvdt9/0/X2/IMG_0839-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 20, 2017, 08:37:42 PM
I would apply P38 to the outside to hold it in position and then resin the inside for strength.  When dry, you can smooth down the outside flush with the hull, knowing that it is held firmly  (and permanently) by the resin.

Hope this helps

ken
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 20, 2017, 08:39:02 PM
I would apply P38 to the outside to hold it in position and then resin the inside for strength.  When dry, you can smooth down the outside flush with the hull, knowing that it is held firmly  (and permanently) by the resin.

Hope this helps

ken


Yes that makes very good sense! thank you Ken
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 20, 2017, 08:40:56 PM

I'm often faced with the same type of problem.  P38 does tend to be brittle when out loose in the air and not supported very well.

glad to help

ken
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 20, 2017, 08:43:09 PM
I'm often faced with the same type of problem.  P38 does tend to be brittle when out loose in the air and not supported very well.

glad to help

ken
Very much appreciated  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on March 20, 2017, 08:59:49 PM
That's looking very neat  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 20, 2017, 09:02:05 PM
That's looking very neat  :-))
Thanks yes I'm quite chuffed  :-)
I drilled a couple of 25mm holes close together each side with a thin wall hole saw and then purely half round file. Took about half hour
Thruster is 28mm OD
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 20, 2017, 09:45:25 PM

Notes of the day
1 :- Steve @ modelboatbits is altering two powerflex couplings for me to give 8mm to 8mm plain. Not a stock item.
2 :- I've emailed MMM about the Kort tube supports and asked for a replacement for the rubbish one.
No reply yet
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Stavros on March 21, 2017, 03:05:11 AM
P38 has no strength in it st all...use P40 to fix the shafts in place or even epoxy glue




Dave
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 21, 2017, 06:58:31 AM
Cheers Dave :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 21, 2017, 12:45:05 PM
It has occurred to me that as I've made such a good job of my thruster holes that this would be a good time to transfer them into a template for future builds or sharing
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 22, 2017, 06:33:50 PM
Today at work I explored the possibilities for something to align the Kort tunnels and I came across some stock copper pipe end caps that fit like a glove  :-)) .
Props are on order with Simon at Protean and should be with me soon UNLIKE the SIX WEEK nonsense of prop shop  >>:-( 
A replacement Kort support is on its way from MMM but did not arrive today.


EDIT
These end caps are a no.67 that I believe relates to the O.D. of the pipe 67mm so the outside diameter is bang on 70mm

Friday is SMELLY day. I don't work Friday so anything that gets up the wifes nose must be done then!
Isopon etc is taboo  <*<
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-sT5j8qB/1/X2/IMG_0844-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 22, 2017, 08:48:14 PM


This is my demountable platform for all the Action electronics. Paxolin glues very quickly with the product pictured. I've also made the stern tube support bulkhead of the same.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-WX4gQ4X/0/XL/IMG_0852-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-prwkgW7/0/XL/IMG_0850-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-dBNdsX7/0/XL/IMG_0853-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 22, 2017, 08:52:19 PM
Looking good but unfortunately this Kort is full of pin holes and requires time and expense that should not really  be needed.
The colour is Halfords filler primer and its going to need a good bit more
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-QXJS5Tn/0/XL/IMG_0845-XL.jpg)


Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 22, 2017, 10:50:02 PM
I'm absolutely impressed with this Zap A Gap glue
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-rXGxtcw/0/XL/IMG_0854-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-tb2MnV6/0/X2/IMG_0855-X2.jpg)


Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 24, 2017, 11:58:47 AM

So props and bow thruster glassed in (thanks to those who gave advice) :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-VjS4RgW/0/XL/IMG_0867-XL.jpg)
Ready for filler
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-H4zLS9h/0/XL/IMG_0866-XL.jpg)
All abraded
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-83J2j3n/0/XL/IMG_0868-XL.jpg)
secured externally and ready for triming later
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-hZ9LqHn/0/XL/IMG_0869-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-23xkpzc/0/XL/IMG_0872-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 24, 2017, 12:02:35 PM
Sikaflex 221 PU adhesive filler has just arrived so I'm going to set my motors & mounts in place next.


Props arrived yesterday from Protean  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-P8qWH65/0/XL/IMG_0859-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 24, 2017, 12:11:04 PM
Re the bow thruster.
The Athon I bought had a leaking bow thruster because the self tapping screws supplied had caused the housing holes to crack.
To avoid this on my new one I will discard the supplied screws and drill/tap 3mm to accept  SS M3 pozidrives.

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 24, 2017, 05:29:02 PM
Experienced opinion required please.
The MMM plans are non specific of a profile for the rear of the skeg.
This is where I'm at now, am I anything like expected?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-x5j42qz/1/L/IMG_0878-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Channel on March 24, 2017, 07:35:22 PM
Portgarth's skeg was increased in size from the original build. This picture shows the original and how it was extended forward and deepened.




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Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 24, 2017, 09:01:28 PM
Portgarth's skeg was increased in size from the original build. This picture shows the original and how it was extended forward and deepened.




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Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on March 24, 2017, 09:22:45 PM

There seems to be a problem with your pictures not showing. They may be too large for the forum.  If, however they are hosted, then that is where the problem may lie.

ken
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 24, 2017, 09:27:40 PM
Please email to watersa@ntlworld.com and I will host & post it  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Channel on March 25, 2017, 07:51:27 AM
 
Photos from my PC. Have moved to different photo storage site, here you go:


(http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa13/channelimages/IMG_0087.jpg) (http://s202.photobucket.com/user/channelimages/media/IMG_0087.jpg.html)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 07:56:52 AM
Thanks Channel but the skeg is in darkness  <:(
Thanks for the email Chris super pics  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 08:04:53 AM
Motor mounts now set on Sikaflex 221
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-dntfDBx/0/XL/IMG_0882-XL.jpg)
Bushes for Korts used as alignment tools 8mm to 8mm
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-BhvqFKH/0/XL/IMG_0879-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 08:54:49 AM
Had to spend far too much time filling pin holes in these Korts  >:-o
I think I'm going to stick with the primer colour and satin clear coat over this
What do you think?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-Qn7QtXZ/0/L/IMG_0883-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 11:33:10 AM
New toy
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-3ZfH6jh/0/XL/IMG_0887-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 12:23:28 PM
That worked out a treat thanks Ken
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-5M59ML3/0/XL/IMG_0888-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on March 25, 2017, 12:31:11 PM
Like the new toy,  I've been lookingbat them on flebay.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 12:59:01 PM
Like the new toy,  I've been lookingbat them on flebay.
Screwfix £120
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on March 25, 2017, 01:06:48 PM
Cheaper than flebay  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 01:20:19 PM
Tidy
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-QqM2XwJ/0/L/IMG_0889-L.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-nqRM9mr/0/L/IMG_0890-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 01:51:02 PM
I can see now that there isn't a very straight centre line in the hull moulding at the bow. Perhaps it has always been this way or just tired?
I like complete symmetry so some hard sanding and filling in order.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 02:39:40 PM
I can see now that there isn't a very straight centre line in the hull moulding at the bow. Perhaps it has always been this way or just tired?
I like complete symmetry so some hard sanding and filling in order.
Starboard side inverted, perfect
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-RgBHWcr/0/XL/IMG_0892-XL.jpg)
Port side tom tit
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-XWzc9G6/0/XL/IMG_0893-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 03:22:58 PM
What fantastic weather today for cracking on  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-mWFMn9W/0/X2/IMG_0894-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 06:12:55 PM
This is the Halfords red primer topped with clear satin lacquer. I think it'll do.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-DTDgz5d/0/XL/IMG_0896-XL.jpg)
I've pinned the skeg with stainless steel servo pushrod rather than brass as suggested by MMM
This is before pushing home and glueing with Zap A Gap
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-hcGkn66/0/L/IMG_0897-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 09:15:35 PM
Moving on from the bow and how it lacks symmetry and quality of finish either side of the centre line. The stern is just as bad if not worse. This picture doesn't fully capture how poor it is and I can't stand it like it is!
 so much Isopon is going to be needed to satisfy. Not what I expected from a ready made hull that cost as much as a full size bath tub.
This again is the PORT SIDE as if it's a poor copy of the starboard.
Any other Portgarth builders suffered this?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-d47KLH6/0/XL/IMG_0899-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 25, 2017, 09:53:15 PM
I'm happy with my work. Skeg is rock solid  :-))
One more pass of P38 and a coat of Z-poxy resin will see it ready for primer
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-trTChND/0/XL/IMG_0903-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-mGksHVt/0/XL/IMG_0902-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 26, 2017, 05:53:40 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-VNRXq82/0/X2/IMG_0910-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-zdW6hFf/0/L/IMG_0909-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 26, 2017, 05:59:52 PM
Just a tiny bit of filler to finish the rectification once the primer is hard.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-P4T6hmF/0/X2/IMG_0905-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-sPrWWGM/0/X2/IMG_0907-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-WW5t2f5/0/X2/IMG_0908-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 26, 2017, 06:04:19 PM
A different view. Next the Korts and Anchor whatsits
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-ZfmJ5mc/0/X2/IMG_0900-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on March 26, 2017, 07:03:52 PM
Very smart  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 26, 2017, 07:06:32 PM
Very smart  :-)) :-))
Thanks for the encouragement  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on March 26, 2017, 11:27:52 PM
It is annoying when you see asymetry, it plays on your mind every time you see it. Lovely work so far. I am sad to see the vast difference in quality of resin casting in one batch as well. Mixing resin needs to be done with care as sir bubbles can be a biffer to remove without a pressure vessel to cure the castings in.

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 27, 2017, 06:57:11 AM
Thanks  :-) :-))
Yes the bulwark around the bow is also drunk
There are no templates in the pack for the anchor ports either  :((
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 27, 2017, 08:06:59 AM
Another flea in my bonnet is the Eze stern tubes
They send them assembled but the first thing you need to do is knock them apart  >>:-( to fit the Korts
Is it just me or is that a bit lacking in fore thought?
For your information they are no longer threaded but a tight interference fit
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on March 27, 2017, 08:59:24 AM
Just read your Portgarth build, your making a great job. pity about the crap hull and nozzle only bought off them once years ago, good luck with the rest of your build  :-)) 
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 27, 2017, 09:11:18 AM
Thanks I'll make a good tug out of it but I won't buy another sight unseen
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Stumps on March 27, 2017, 10:08:41 AM
Morning T33

Great build and I'm looking forward to following this one.

Can I be nosy and ask a couple of question about your motors? Are they off the shelf items or taken from car heating systems etc.?
It's just that I'm looking at possibly building a tug myself and need to source a couple ~ something I haven't done for more years than I like to remember. But in those day you just popped down to the local scrapyard and got what you could find. H&S has put pay to that these days.

regards
Ant
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 27, 2017, 10:11:27 AM
Thanks Ant
I don't think the motors are readily available I obtained them from a friend.
Any high torque low speed motor will do preferably  3000rpm max.
The T12 motors sold by MMM are ideal but not cheap
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Stumps on March 27, 2017, 10:24:07 AM
Thanks for the reply. I shall continue my search :-))... that's the type of motors that I'm after as the they will need to swing props in the 90-100mm range.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Fastfaz on March 27, 2017, 02:49:57 PM
  Yo T33,
      Whatever you do don't try and build the superstructure using their template pack! Looking at your very high standard of build you will do a far better job on your own. I have built the following MMM tugs over the years-Norton Cross,Tid,Portgarth,Eldergarth and my own rub on a Norton cross hull (twin screw & Bowthruster) as I remember each of the hulls needed quite a bit of work to get to the standard I wanted involving a lot of time and effort on my part. Re the finish on the Kort nozzles its not good especially for the price you pay and if you think that is bad wait until you look at some of their funnels, the ones that came with my Norton cross kit were absolute rubbish I had to set out and square off the bases to both and reshape the angles so that they matched reasonably well. As to the alleged "ready to use" finish I think they had been roughly trimmed on some form of belt sander with a 40 grit belt. The white metal bits were also crap so I ended up making most of the bits and pieces. I think the problem lies in the moulds being too old and over used without renewal.
     Your build is a very high standard and you should be proud! Good luck with the rest.
           Cheers, Pete.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 27, 2017, 03:09:45 PM
Thank you Pete
Yes I only intend using the templates as a guide  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 27, 2017, 07:26:25 PM




Thank heaven today is over what a long day at work :((
Just have my tea then glue the first Kort support.
I'm not going for the blather it in crap option, when I complained of the finish of one of the supports Bryan said you're going to cover 80% of it in body filler  {-)   NOT!
5 min Gorilla epoxy coming up shortly.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-dPtt9g2/0/XL/IMG_0917-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-F9vpNkr/0/XL/IMG_0918-XL.jpg)
The replacement support was even a different colour resin so one cream one white  {-)  FFS
So I sprayed with red plastic primer.
You might notice I've added extra glass and tissue to the stern too, it was pretty thin.
Glue shortly
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-GmnVXXG/0/X2/IMG_0919-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 27, 2017, 08:07:31 PM
Simply no need for all that P38 mess
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-ZBwkHjZ/0/X2/IMG_0920-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-3ZQ8GxR/0/X2/IMG_0921-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 27, 2017, 08:50:13 PM
One down  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-F6NbQCM/0/X2/IMG_0925-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Stan on March 27, 2017, 09:06:55 PM
Hi Just two pictures showing the kort nozzle in a very small MM model. Note I have not covered the fitting totally in glue.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 27, 2017, 09:10:53 PM
 :-))  Good I'm not doing it wrong then  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on March 27, 2017, 09:24:35 PM
The colour of the resin should not matter as long as it is the same type and quality of resin. naturally, if one was cast in a lighter resin then it may not have the same strength as the other. You were right to refuse the original support as it is just that, and if full bubbles to the point that it is resin foam (by the looks of it) then you are set up to fail. Some polymers are very strong even when foamed (Rohacel and hard polyurethane foams etc) but if it isn't meant to be foamed then it should have been binned or broken up to put into larger castings as pug.

I think what they have been doing is basically sound and they have some innovative ideas, but the quality of product seems to let them down, but that said, they are in business and enough customers are happy bunnies and so if we nudge them they will keep an eye on quality control.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 27, 2017, 09:38:55 PM
Can't wait to see how it sits on the water with these  {-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-bmHwZ92/0/X2/IMG_0926-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on March 27, 2017, 09:53:48 PM
They will definitly help but you will probably need a few more besides. She looks very tidy now  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 27, 2017, 09:56:52 PM

Thanks They will provide an easy continuous 2hrs with my motors but they may be too heavy in the finished vessel. Only testing will reveal  :P


Edit gremlins are messing with font size  :police:
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Fastfaz on March 28, 2017, 07:48:33 AM
Hi again,
     I think you will find that two batteries may not be enough ballast to get the waterline right, I had one battery at the bow end and one nearer the stern this together sheet lead flashing as required did the trick. Its a big hull and superb for towing, you are right about the hull being a bit thin in places I added a couple of extra layers of fibreglass matting to both the bow and stern of my Portgarth as they get bashed about a bit when you are towing. Looking good and very neat work!
      Cheers, Pete.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 28, 2017, 07:57:48 AM
Thanks again Pete
I'll be happy if that's the case and can use a 7.2 lipo seperate for the bowthruster
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on March 28, 2017, 12:47:40 PM
Excellent work there T33cno it's coming along great (shame about the poor quality hull!!) but well done in sorting it out and those Korts and Props look lovely which reminds me I must get around to ordering mine from Protean
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 28, 2017, 01:38:18 PM
Thanks Paul
I'm enjoying the build and that's what matters !
We shall overcome  :-))
I will no doubt buy more
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on March 28, 2017, 01:42:32 PM
Aye 100% that's what matters, and it's all part of modelling although you expect it to be straighter than that, very nice build so far though and I will be keeping my eyes on this one maybe for my next build  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 28, 2017, 02:52:42 PM
iPhone 7 plus home screen  8)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-68p27td/0/X2/IMG_0929-X2.png)


Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on March 28, 2017, 08:06:38 PM
Hi Andy you have done a good job on them i hope to fit my ones on tomorrow plus all the electrical stuff.
Keep pictures coming O0
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 28, 2017, 08:27:21 PM
Thank you, I'm looking forward to your update too  :-))


Second fitted, both could do with shimming down a washer thickness each (steal from work)  %%
I might do my full running instal now, just waiting on an esc for bowthruster from component shop
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-tt859kW/0/XL/IMG_0930-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 28, 2017, 08:30:24 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-TB7pVkG/0/XL/IMG_0932-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 28, 2017, 08:41:13 PM

My component shelf lent itself nicely to aligning the korts :-)) fortuitous.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-JCnPNhb/0/XL/IMG_0935-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-6HwVqSS/0/XL/IMG_0934-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-kWcChQQ/0/XL/IMG_0933-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on March 28, 2017, 10:15:51 PM
A friend bought the Lady Woos and lost the will to live after a bit  {:-{ nearly ended up in the wheelie bin a couple of times !
Mainly because of poor templates and in his WORDS  poor back up service . I've never dealt with MMM but always fancied
the Brackengarth myself  {:-{ .But on the other hand must have hundreds of happy customers to be going as long as they have !!!!
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on March 28, 2017, 10:18:47 PM
Also agree with T33cno not a lover of plastering P38 everywhere if it fits nice no need to lag filler everywhere  :-)) :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 29, 2017, 07:12:52 AM
Thanks for your posts
Firstly I'm just reporting my findings as I go warts and all but not intending to belittle MMM. They provide a valuable service as a whole and many people have bought multiple models.  :-))


I've decided not to proceed yet with the running gear as to tank test it would mean fitting the stern tube extensions. These are now much more difficult to remove and if you slip you risk knocking your Korts off !! there's no room for error.
The previous threaded design was IMHO better but more expensive to produce.
So I'll continue with the hull to the point that it is fully primed and laquered below the waterline then I can fit the Korts permanently
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 31, 2017, 06:54:07 PM

Back on the job
Opened all the openings today and flatted all the gel coat ready for final primer before marking the waterline and lacquering. I sanded with a block initially to level out as much as possibly and finished with a medium grade red sponge thingy bob.
I also modified the stand so it is below the waterline otherwise I'd struggle when I come to mark it.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-CK9WPhb/0/XL/IMG_0943-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-Dxn92rj/0/XL/IMG_0944-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-qTmKbkP/0/XL/IMG_0945-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 31, 2017, 07:02:01 PM


I've come up with a space saving storage idea too today.
Plumbing waste pipe
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-kMvkRxp/0/XL/IMG_0947-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-kCZ7Nnd/0/XL/IMG_0946-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on March 31, 2017, 07:27:56 PM
You've just improved on my idea  ok2 I've got mine some old postage tubes but I have to say yours are better, but if I had those I would probably be temped to use them for other things  O0 but you only have to ask if you want to nick an idea  {-)

Hull's looking great  :-))   
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 31, 2017, 07:31:55 PM
Thanks Paul  8)


Now can any of those experienced! advise me of the best way to support the deck, is there a better option than that explained by MMM ?

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 31, 2017, 09:24:33 PM
I've just sorted out the undulating bulwarks  :-))
Meet my new toy
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-KZrDPWw/0/L/IMG_0949-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on March 31, 2017, 10:55:30 PM
Paxolin is so versatile  :-))
I love this part
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-Bzdj9fJ/0/X2/IMG_0950-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on April 01, 2017, 12:08:11 AM
I made up some deck beams for a friend once.I moulded two fibreglass U channels stuck them together with Gravicol which is a polyester bonding paste to form an i beam.Once all cured cut them to length and fibreglased them into the tug then used Gravicol once again to bond down the fibreglass deck.Now that is a strong deck !!! :-))
Advantage I have I work fibreglass so a lot easier for me,but tugs need to be strong  O0 O0
Enjoying your photos
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on April 01, 2017, 09:34:01 AM
Thanks Paul  8)


Now can any of those experienced! advise me of the best way to support the deck, is there a better option than that explained by MMM ?


     Hi donít know what method mmm suggested but this is the way I do my deck frames,
 I apply 1mm plastic card around bulwarks using Z-Poxy I go for 5min setting time (messy but strong) I find this gives a good foundation to fit 10mm square frame work around bulwark using the same adhesive, I tend to use the 15min setting for the frame work. I have used this method on all of my builds it works for me plus you have a good finish on your bulwarks. Sorry a havenít a better photo showing the frame work, this is my Maltby with the frame work in place and the deck is solid.
 
Brian


 
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 01, 2017, 11:32:20 AM
Thanks for the very informative replies, food for thought.
Brian I have come to realise you are very much a GURU of tug building. I've just spent an hour adding some fantastic pictures of your work to my album for reference. Your metal crafting is fantastic too  8)
Not one of your close up detailed shots but I know it is extremely desirable  :-))


(http://modeltugforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4527.0;attach=52732;image)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 01, 2017, 12:00:28 PM
I'm going to try the plasticard method :-))
Would I fit the card so it extends below the deck washports? seems logical.


Re:- what MMM recommend..........yes P38 again  {:-{
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on April 01, 2017, 01:01:05 PM
I'm going to try the plasticard method :-))
Would I fit the card so it extends below the deck washports? seems logical.


Re:- what MMM recommend..........yes P38 again  {:-{


Yes Andy I take the plasticard about 20mm below the deck washports, I forgot to mention after fitting the frame for the deck i run a small amount of filler under the frame, this really supports the deck  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on April 01, 2017, 01:08:03 PM
Thanks for the very informative replies, food for thought.
Brian I have come to realise you are very much a GURU of tug building. I've just spent an hour adding some fantastic pictures of your work to my album for reference. Your metal crafting is fantastic too  8)
Not one of your close up detailed shots but I know it is extremely desirable  :-))


(http://modeltugforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4527.0;attach=52732;image)
cheers Andy if i can be of any help  during your build just let me know
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 01, 2017, 01:27:53 PM
I've just spent £40 at cross gates model shop, don't it add up ? I bet these builds knock on the door of a grand  %%
Thanks again I'm not afraid to ask for help  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 01, 2017, 06:10:19 PM
Here we go. Plasticard virgin alert  :police:


Dry fit pics in case I'm doing it wrong? do I need to abrade?
Looks like it will be difficult getting P38 up the back UNLESS I trim off the excess after fitting the deck supports?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-tXkN5tH/0/XL/IMG_0956-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-HsNvh3F/0/XL/IMG_0955-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 01, 2017, 08:49:57 PM

When in doubt reading the instructions usually works {-)


Abrade all surfaces. Apply to both surfaces! So far done well with gauging the quantity, three pieces in place and barely used any. So initially it looks expensive but it goes a long way  :-)) 


I should buy shares in stipple brushes! I bought 12 and I think I'll use them all
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-RG8KTD7/0/X2/IMG_0963-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-XLnndRX/0/X2/IMG_0962-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on April 01, 2017, 09:49:16 PM
P38 is unlikelyto stick to Styrene but abraided like you have, it should hold the stuff you pug behind well enough letting the epoxy do the sticking.

Styrene is like any material, misuse it and it will let you down. Try and keep finger grease etc off the plastic when glueing as then the bond will be better and remember that thin styrene can soften and distort if using plastic weld or styrene glue, but it can be used to make curves and rings laminated around a former.

A scalpel will cut styrene up to around 1.5mm after which I reccomend a Stanley knife. Snap the thicker styrene carefully and dress the edges with a sanding block/ file, blade run along it until square. Annoyingly there seem to be two types of styrene possibly made by different companies. One has a tendency to break unevenly when snapped. This is a bluer colour white, while the yellower white styrene is easier to use but has wonky edges that have to be dressed before you can measure and cut accuratly.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 01, 2017, 09:54:51 PM
Thank you
I'm using sheet by MAQUETT and it is cutting easy peazy  :-))


I'm really thankful for Brian's advice as it is far superior to the method MMM advise and less work in the long run.
The bulwarks are very wavy and the styrene with resin is helping strengthen and straighten them. I will use masking tape below the styrene to keep the P38 off where it's not wanted.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 01, 2017, 10:00:21 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-58mgH8W/0/X2/IMG_0964-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 01, 2017, 10:13:04 PM
I've figured out that the best way of getting the correct deck support height (part of my original question)
is to put planks through the washports straight across port to starboard with a spacer (deck thickness) clamped under them
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 01, 2017, 10:23:22 PM
Meanwhile I'm sat pondering 🤔 when will I have time to do my beautiful Rotterdam  <:(
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/i-hhdTJHK/0/X2/IMG_0965-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 01, 2017, 10:42:13 PM
End of day, Brandy time! Spanish of course  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-VCPsWXN/0/XL/IMG_0961-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on April 02, 2017, 08:59:11 AM
Your making a grand job  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Fred Ellis on April 02, 2017, 10:25:40 AM
I've figured out that the best way of getting the correct deck support height (part of my original question)
is to put planks through the washports straight across port to starboard with a spacer (deck thickness) clamped under them


This may have been said before? but I use an old car Tyre depth gauge, I measure down from the top of the bulwark plus the deck thickness to the bottom of the wash port and that gives me the depth for the deck beams.


Fred
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 02, 2017, 01:39:40 PM
 :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 02, 2017, 04:50:03 PM
Just the bow to do now
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-5fgN3qC/0/X2/IMG_0970-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-ndK8ZjK/0/X2/IMG_0971-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 02, 2017, 06:30:11 PM
Another new toy  :-))
Arrived today by DPD from Northern Ireland £114.99
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-7HRLh2M/0/X2/IMG_0966-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 02, 2017, 06:49:34 PM
That's a very nice toy and well worth the money  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 02, 2017, 07:30:15 PM
Makes a world of difference when time is precious
Between scroll saw and drum sander these anchor ports took just over half hour  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-VKvcjBb/0/XL/IMG_0972-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on April 02, 2017, 08:10:46 PM
I do like your new toy O0 ,you are doing a great job with her.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 02, 2017, 08:37:42 PM
I do like your new toy O0 ,you are doing a great job with her.
Thank you John that means a lot coming from you and Brian  8)
I've just one more piece of plasticard to fit
I've coated the anchor ports with z poxy finishing resin and I'll probably epoxy them in place.
Please jump in with any redirections  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 02, 2017, 08:59:33 PM
I fitted a piece across the bow first in an attempt to remove the distortion in the bulwark as it was moulded.
This seems to have worked with the aid of strategic clamping and some filing.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-HKXxSFR/0/XL/IMG_0973-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-WZVJf8d/0/XL/IMG_0974-XL.jpg)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 02, 2017, 09:29:17 PM
It's been a great weekend!
Learnt lots
Had a great morning with Kirklees club
Motorhome passed MOT  :}
Plasticard nearly but not quite, Sod's law.
Bulwarks are quite firm now especially around the bow
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-WBrSRC9/0/XL/IMG_0975-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on April 02, 2017, 09:50:19 PM
That work with the styrene has saved hours of sanding and filling good show  :-))

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 02, 2017, 09:51:54 PM

Thanks Ian

I know  {-)  imagine if I'd just blundered on using MMM build guide  <:(
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on April 02, 2017, 09:58:40 PM
I know there are people who hate plastic and prefer the fill and sand route. We are well versed in working with styrene and so can bend it to our will  <*<

Styrene can be annoying and has a tendency to warp if being laminated or long parts are glued together. Filler has its own issues.

I think companies try to find a set of methods that are less terrifying for the potential buyer, and while they seem a bit old school or basic in some cases, they seem to result in a fair model.



Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 03, 2017, 09:02:45 PM
Bow is now suitably symmetrical
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-hnJ4Q5F/0/XL/IMG_0977-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 03, 2017, 09:22:23 PM
Looking good Andy  :-)) nice to see this coming along nicely,
I was thinking how to stop the water coming into my anchor ports as all I have is round porthole type things and a bit of water around/over the bow is going to fill it up, might have to make something similar if you don't mind me nicking your idea

 
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 03, 2017, 09:41:41 PM
It's not my idea but you're welcome  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 03, 2017, 09:45:01 PM
I think the anchor holes in the Rotterdam are well above the water line
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 03, 2017, 10:30:23 PM
I think the anchor holes in the Rotterdam are well above the water line

yeah they are but after seeing some videos of a Rotterdam in the water they get quite wet up front if a little choppy
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on April 03, 2017, 10:46:05 PM
Coming on very nice  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 03, 2017, 10:49:19 PM
Coming on very nice  :-))
Thanks for your support  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on April 03, 2017, 10:58:42 PM
As I said I'd like to build Brackengarth. FX-T looks good to but I do begrudge playing all that money for it as I work with fibreglass and know the cost of the material content !!
Yes I understand you've got to produce the plug then the mould etc but still seems a lot of money for a bit of fibreglass  {:-{
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 03, 2017, 11:02:10 PM
As I said I'd like to build Brackongarth (think that's how you spell it) FX-T looks good to but I do begrudge playing all that money for it as I work with fibreglass and know the cost of the material content !!
Yes I understand you've got to produce the plug then the mould etc but still seems a lot of money for a bit of fibreglass  {:-{


Honestly if I made a plug I would want a decent profit. It's not just the material cost but the time using it to produce the end product and satisfy the tax man. To me the price is fine but the quality needs to be strict!
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on April 03, 2017, 11:11:12 PM
Yes I agree all got to make a profit mybe I'm a bit behind the times my first boat was 16' long the hull and fibreglass ringdeck was £900 and I made a good living in that boat  :-)) .Now it cost £450 for a model hull !! Saying that went in a model railway shop yesterday DEAR ME %% %% that's not a cheap hobby.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 03, 2017, 11:17:53 PM
Yes I agree all got to make a profit mybe I'm a bit behind the times my first boat was 16' long the hull and fibreglass ringdeck was £900 and I made a good living in that boat  :-)) .Now it cost £450 for a model hull !! Saying that went in a model railway shop yesterday DEAR ME %% %% that's not a cheap hobby.


Brackengarth hull is a mere £124.10p
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 03, 2017, 11:24:16 PM
I'd love to do a BIG tug but I realise I could not get it up and down the stairs. Also I'd like a few under 1 metre rather than something I can't lift, I'm no weakling but I'm near 60 and the next ten years I'm sure will go by in a blink
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on April 03, 2017, 11:26:13 PM
Yes that's not so bad for the size.It was the FX-T hull I felt was a bit on the pricey side,and agree with yourself I like to see  laminating done nicely not hard if you do it for a living  {:-{ .Anyway really enjoying following your build.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 03, 2017, 11:29:28 PM
Yes that's not so bad for the size.It was the FX-T hull I felt was a bit on the pricey side,and agree with yourself I like to see  laminating done nicely not hard if you do it for a living  {:-{ .Anyway really enjoying following your build.
So am I thanks  {-)
I just looked back to post 1 and its less than 3 weeks ago! I think it's moving along nicely  :-)
I've just given notice at work that I'm having the rest of the week off to catch up with jobs at home so hopefully will get more done between chores.

I've just been looking at online pictures and the waterline is much higher than the MMM plans and runs right through the middle of the anchor ports. Also no pictures actually show the Portgarth with anchors fitted {-) . Presumably no neeeeeeeeed

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 03, 2017, 11:35:19 PM
Ports x 2 Anchors nil
(http://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=1687607)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 04, 2017, 08:06:48 AM
Based on photos rather than MMM plan I'm proposing a line here.
Comments welcomed  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-7WZFvX5/0/XL/IMG_0979-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on April 04, 2017, 08:19:59 AM
Is that a laser level I've spotted to do the water line ?  :-)) Be careful going around the stern quarters.Reason being the laser will give you a level line but because the hull is diving away you'll have to  raise the tape upwards to make the waterline look straight  an optical illusion.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 04, 2017, 08:27:42 AM
It's exactly the same as it would be using a block and pen or pan flat water. Level is level.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-ScQp274/0/XL/IMG_0981-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on April 04, 2017, 08:35:15 AM
See better now stern doesn't go in under to much.You try the level method on say a J class yacht and then tell me if it looks right  O0  level isn't always level on a boat!! If it looks right it is right even if a level etc says different.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 04, 2017, 08:38:50 AM
I know what you're saying but the laser will do exactly the same
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/i-bjSjFxP/0/XL/IMG_0588-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on April 04, 2017, 08:43:32 AM
Ok.Your line might be level but by eye it will be running down hill trust me I build boats for a living as I say a optical illusion
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 04, 2017, 08:45:18 AM
Aye it's not called a waterline for nothing  :-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on April 04, 2017, 08:53:48 AM
 %) %) %)  Ok you win !!! Give up
Or you could try a chaps method I seen once he antifouled his boat no masking tape paint was up and down like the Himalayas was to match the wave action he told me  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on April 04, 2017, 12:25:26 PM
Gents........technology, & laser imagining are all fine

However we must not forget the age old Laws of Perspective in Dimensioning Returns 

The laser referencing will provide a 100% line in terms of accuracy :-)), in our referenced 2D perspective, however if the model vessel is laying 2.4 degrees off axis to stdb by the stern when the line is shot  ............well you can guess the answer when the hull meets the water

Derek
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 04, 2017, 12:28:08 PM
Yes it's only used as a reference
I was asking for opinion of where I had put it
It will of course be marked when level in all directions on a flat surface with a block & pen
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Fastfaz on April 04, 2017, 05:28:55 PM
Hi,
   If you have a bath put everything in the hull (batteries,motors,electrics etc) throw some talcum powder onto the water surface and spread it put the hull in and let it settle there's you waterline. Don't forget its your boat not the rivet counters. Good luck.
           Cheers, Pete.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 04, 2017, 07:06:07 PM
Thanks Pete


Brian's method is off to a good start but I opted for 15 minute poxy  O0  chicken


Once set the excess styrene trims off ok to make the P38 easier to apply.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-2bpFxCh/0/L/IMG_0986-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-MsfQrsG/0/L/IMG_0987-L.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-Qj8Pmrm/0/L/IMG_0988-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 04, 2017, 07:37:23 PM
Today I've also had a tidy up and expanded my tubular wood stock storage  8)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-rd3FZgJ/0/L/IMG_0984-L.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-hhKdLHw/0/L/IMG_0985-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on April 04, 2017, 08:58:18 PM
Like the wood storage idea  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 04, 2017, 10:45:16 PM
Hi,
   If you have a bath put everything in the hull (batteries,motors,electrics etc) throw some talcum powder onto the water surface and spread it put the hull in and let it settle there's you waterline. Don't forget its your boat not the rivet counters. Good luck.
           Cheers, Pete.


Not quite what I had in mind Pete.
The norm is to establish where the water line should be by design and then ballast or fit it out so its either on the line or above. So long as the line isn't under water  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 04, 2017, 10:48:57 PM
Some P38 application in the morning as soon as the wife leaves  O0


Then to model shop for their entire stock of glue brushes and some more luverly wood  :-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Stavros on April 04, 2017, 11:03:35 PM
Simply wouldnt even think of using P38 for fixings as it has NO structural strength at all....it is for filling dents....P40 is the proper stuff to use as it will bond properly to GRP...your choice




Dave
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 04, 2017, 11:04:52 PM
It's not for fixing but for packing/filling. To understand where I'm at you'd have to go back some pages.
To fill the gap behind the styrene


@chipchase page 5
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Stavros on April 05, 2017, 09:16:56 AM
Still would use p40


Dave
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 05, 2017, 09:23:45 AM
I already have a tin of chemical metal for the strong stuff
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 05, 2017, 02:52:13 PM
Wasted time and petrol going across Leeds to model shop
CLOSED Wednesday  >>:-(


So hobby craft got my business and 5p per brush cheaper! So I bought 108
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-b3fH8bF/0/XL/IMG_0994-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 05, 2017, 02:56:12 PM
Filler was quite easy and it's rick solid now.
I needed it to exude out of the washports
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-ShM6pkZ/0/XL/IMG_0993-XL.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-3m7MzZs/0/L/IMG_0989-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-tZhbt3W/0/L/IMG_0990-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 05, 2017, 09:11:14 PM
Today I've looked ahead at the deck and access within.
It seems to me that the main deck panel is pitifully small, in fact I could not get to the motor mount screws or the couplings. So in conclusion I intend to ignore the plans and extend the panel forward as far as the deck winch. So the towing watsit will be on the access panel.
I've been out most of the day but made some progress. Tomorrow I'm making the foredeck so I can use it to mark the supports round the front as this curves in two directions.


Yes its a laser  <*<
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-8FJ2L7F/0/XL/IMG_0995-XL.jpg)


Battery platform fitted.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-LMSpr5s/0/XL/IMG_1005-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 07, 2017, 03:41:03 PM
Attention on deck!  {-)
I'm happy it's as good as I'm going to get so tomorrow it will be satin lacquered. I can then fit the running gear  :-)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-MGS4tSs/0/XL/IMG_1015-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-cfZwR2P/0/XL/IMG_1016-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 07, 2017, 06:16:18 PM
Help needed. Where can I get those graduated numbers?


Picture by Chris Jones  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-DqTPRHH/0/O/Image%2007-04-2017%20at%2018.13.jpg)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: cos918 on April 07, 2017, 06:35:51 PM
I think Becc do hull depth markings


john
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 07, 2017, 06:37:19 PM
Thank you John  {-)  hull depth markings  :-))


Who are becc? Please
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: cos918 on April 07, 2017, 06:46:14 PM
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Becc-Hull-Depth-Markings-Metric-White-Scale-1-96-/322467165331?hash=item4b148a7493:g:Z7kAAOSwmmxW6uQa


What scale is the tug please


John
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 07, 2017, 06:55:21 PM
1:32 :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: cos918 on April 07, 2017, 06:58:41 PM
this person does them but out of stock


http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Imperial-Hull-Markings-in-Black-or-White-Various-Scales-/140547119305?var=&hash=item20b942d8c9:m:m3mFhHhv-o64YG6BWMwQuhQ


just scroll through and you will see them


john
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 07, 2017, 07:37:06 PM
Thanks again, will watch for stock  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: cos918 on April 07, 2017, 08:59:33 PM
it looks like Cornwall model boats have them in stock .
Your build is looking great .


http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/becc_white_waterline_markings.html


John
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 07, 2017, 09:36:44 PM
Thank you
All being well I should have a big leap forwards by Sunday night.
Unfortunately we can't speed up drying time  :((  impatience gets negative results.
I'm ready to run a fine indelible line around the hull tomorrow and this will be lacquered over in the afternoon.
In later weeks when I come to do the upper hull the line will be painted over.
Not sure which colour to go with yet? The original light blue or the navy blue  {:-{


I'm further miffed with the hull which has been a trial! Nothing port and starboard lines up at 90 degrees to the keel line
Washports and deck level change are well out  >>:-(
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: poll on April 07, 2017, 09:50:16 PM

  Have a day off on Sunday come to Balne Moor it's a tug towing & scale day, bring your Afon & have a tow.

  John
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 07, 2017, 09:53:02 PM
I'd love to John but I have other jobs to do too ready for Easter away  <:(
Some time soon tho  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 07, 2017, 10:02:24 PM
Second thoughts! See you there  8)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 07, 2017, 10:34:00 PM
I was looking for some self adhesive felt for my stand and came across 3mm thick by 10mm wide on eBay from Germany . Not cheap but fits the bill they do up to 6mm thick too
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 07, 2017, 10:37:23 PM
Hey John look after me ! Smally badly git with a white beard  {-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-CrHL6px/0/X2/IMG_1017-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on April 07, 2017, 10:38:27 PM
Great bunch at Balne Moor Andy you will be well looked after, Show Poll how to tow LOL
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 07, 2017, 10:40:00 PM
Great bunch at Balne Moor Andy you will be well looked after, Show Poll how to tow LOL


I don't know if little Afon has ever towed but I know it has oodles of power
Need to tie off on something that won't come off  {-) {-)


I do know that if I had ballasted the stern last Sunday it would likely have won the endurance test at Kirlees  :((  Next year beware !  {-)
I could only drive at 63% of full speed due to bow going down
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 07, 2017, 10:57:39 PM
Check this out! Similar to Portgarth
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8l0Oja_rm0s
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on April 07, 2017, 11:02:56 PM
I think the Portgarth would be at the bottom if she tried that Andy LOL
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 07, 2017, 11:03:53 PM
I think the Portgarth would be at the bottom if she tried that Andy LOL
Only if the hatches leak  {-)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on April 08, 2017, 05:10:49 AM
I don't quite understand what the tug skipper is trying to achieve %)

1. my knowledge of tug handling is near ZERO
2. his tow line is about 130 degrees AFT & to the port
3. the tug thrust appears a FWD with a slight vessel beam turn to PORT??

Derek
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 06:47:29 AM
Assuming they are working as a pair he is steering the rear
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 08:16:44 AM
That worked  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-sDvn3JC/0/XL/IMG_1022-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 01:24:19 PM
Almost a perfect day, very shortly turn satin  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-b8Mzx2p/0/L/IMG_1023-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 08, 2017, 03:05:26 PM
Looking great Andy  :-))
The more I see that hull the more I like it, it just looks the perfect tug  :-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 03:07:55 PM
Thanks a Paul and my apologies for the other post, thread was closed so I could not reply  :-X


Those prop shafts are huge  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 08, 2017, 03:19:28 PM
Thanks a Paul and my apologies for the other post, thread was closed so I could not reply  :-X
No need mate that's fine, a phone call to "anonymous"  :-X supplier and all sorted now anyway thank you :-))

 
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 03:24:56 PM
I'm trying to resist starting on her now  %%


I think in the long run it'll all get a fine wire wool rub when the top half is painted and re lacquer over the whole
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-FqQ54m9/0/X2/IMG_1027-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 08, 2017, 03:42:27 PM
Hmmmm not tried the fine wire wool trick, knowing me I'd strip the paint back off  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 03:42:59 PM
A good day for remodelling my stand from temporary to permanent
A bit of reinforcement , sanding sealer and a fine rub. Just waiting for the felt strip to arrive .
I'm going to make a guard for the rear so I can't knock the Korts off


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-tBG2TQq/0/XL/IMG_1028-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 08, 2017, 03:52:43 PM
You've made a nice job of that, you'll have to pop down and show me how to make a stand as that's a job I've been meaning to do but at a loss how to get the curve of the hull drawn onto the wood to cut out  {:-{
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 04:01:07 PM
Cardboard is free  :-)  practice making templates of the hull shape front and rear then transfer onto wood.
I'll go take a photo of the one I've knocked up for the Rotty  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 04:03:48 PM
Left over skirting board. Once you get something close to the shape you can fine tune it when the boats sat on it
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/i-VBsKFW6/0/XL/IMG_1029-XL.jpg)


I will eventually make a more ornate stand for presentation but this will do for sail days
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 08, 2017, 04:38:59 PM
Great that perfect gives me a good idea what it should be like, I'll have a go at something this week it's much needed as the stand I got with it is nothing more than 10mmx10mm wood made into a rectangle with some felt stuck to it
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 05:03:23 PM
Ready for business, be in the bath tomorrow evening  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-TfnSDQ9/0/L/IMG_1032-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 06:56:34 PM
Couldn't wait it's all going down  O0
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-b6kTkJK/0/X3/IMG_1035-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on April 08, 2017, 06:58:19 PM
Looking good Andy, you will have her finished in a fortnight the way your building. LOL
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 07:02:57 PM
Looks that way aye but we know there's an awe full lot to do above deck
No rush really and I've holidays too getting in the way  {-)
Really the longer it takes the more bang for buck  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 07:03:49 PM
Could well be in the bath tonight though  O0
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 07:08:31 PM
Another of my inovative ideas. Yes paxolin again. Waste coins from drilling at work make great junction reinforcements combined with resin
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-jnw9m2b/0/L/IMG_1036-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-fPd3D9p/0/L/IMG_1037-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 07:10:51 PM
A major consideration with super smooth shafts is they can only be installed from inside! they are 8mm but drop to 5mm for the props (6mm is also an option)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-sscsmWK/0/X2/IMG_1033-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 07:12:26 PM
Steve @ model boat bits made the 8mm to 8mm couplings specially at no extra charge  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-nSwzCX4/0/XL/IMG_1038-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 08, 2017, 07:15:03 PM
That's excellent service from Steve :-))  Certainly a supplier I will be using more of in the future
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on April 08, 2017, 10:19:59 PM
That is becoming a fine Tug hull Andy. Do you make many paxolin 'coins' at work?

Re boat stands, two suggestions I have read here and in Model Boats are:

1: Plasticine strip stuck onto the hull (wipe any grease from plasticine off hull before painting) then removed and used as template to draw around.

2: Flexiruler for similar results.

3: Profile gauge for similar results.

4: Using offcuts from relevant wooden frames as templates.

Ok, that's four suggestions  %) But three of them are similar  %%

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 10:22:17 PM
As many as I need in any size  {-)  and thank you  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 10:25:18 PM
She's getting a bit tasty now but not getting her bum wet today
All electrics are functioning and bow thruster is smooth

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-9N8QjTv/0/X3/IMG_1039-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 10:38:04 PM
Fore deck fits but not the least bit symmetrical
I guess it's not so noticeable unless you flip it the other way  :o
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-DS9HQMd/0/X2/IMG_1040-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 08, 2017, 10:42:58 PM
Those two stringers form the length of the revised access hatch otherwise servicing the motors and couplings would be impossible
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-TsvwJ98/0/XL/IMG_1041-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 09, 2017, 07:01:26 AM
Looking very nice, can I ask what material do you use to mount your electrics on?
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 07:03:30 AM
Paxolin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 09, 2017, 07:05:27 AM
Paxolin

Thank you, seen you mentioned that a few times in the thread I thought it was a glue  %%
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 07:13:04 AM
I get it from work but I've found small quantity suppliers mine is 6mm thick tho
http://www.brimal.co.uk/5-0mm-paxolin-srbp-insulation-board-a4-size.html
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 09, 2017, 07:39:07 AM
Very handy to have a source from work  :-)) I've just bought a small quantity to start with from the link you gave, if you need any bearings at any time miniatures/thrust bearings etc... anything bearing wise I can help you with that I was a car mechanic, but for the last 12 years I'm now a bearing consultant
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 07:45:36 AM
 :-))
So far I've used it for :-
The motor mounts
The battery mounts
The stern tubes bulkhead
The electrics platform
reinforcements


waterproof and works with superglue resins and PU adhesives, sand the surface first
needs no painting
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 09, 2017, 07:49:30 AM
Sounds perfect, do you drill it and use nuts bolts? Or can you screw directly to it with a pilot hole?
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 07:55:11 AM
Drill & tap it. I superglue 4mm SS nuts between it and circuit boards purely as a spacer. I fix with M3 SS allen screws.

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 09, 2017, 07:58:40 AM
Sounds good stuff I can't wait to give that a try

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 08:00:52 AM
The action electronics black boxes are fixed with double sided tape (from work)  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 08:05:54 AM
I use this supplier for screws
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321113371242?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=510113469623&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 09, 2017, 08:15:01 AM
I've got screws, washers and nut's & bolts coming out my ears down here, I've probably got enough to last me a lifetime I used to buy loads from my 1/8th car racing days and it's cheaper to buy in baulk but I buy most of mine from a company called seascrew in Eastbourne he's an good friend of mine that I've known for many years
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 04:52:38 PM
Good to go apart from I'm missing two servo rod connections  >>:-(
Running the bath now  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-pzwwspL/0/X3/IMG_1062-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 04:53:33 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-H76VTgD/0/XL/IMG_1061-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 05:11:48 PM
Leffe blonde to toast her  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-fFJPf2R/0/L/IMG_1064-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 05:21:26 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-QHJppzM/0/L/IMG_1065-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 09, 2017, 06:10:55 PM
is that with 1 or 2 batteries in? still pretty high if just the one
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 06:14:46 PM
Both all in so loads of scope
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 06:25:28 PM
Skeg is just nicely deep enough to protect the Korts  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-mRkHLg8/0/L/IMG_1069-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 06:28:28 PM
Found another servo/tiller arm thingy so did the link bar and set the unthreaded end in 5 min resin
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-8hvf7dg/0/L/IMG_1071-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: desktoprover on April 09, 2017, 06:40:18 PM
Very nice work!  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 06:43:28 PM
Very nice work!  :-))
Thank you Canada  :-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on April 09, 2017, 07:15:37 PM
Looking good Andy she sits nice in the wet stuff should be just right when all is on :-)) .
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 07:52:04 PM
Looking good Andy she sits nice in the wet stuff should be just right when all is on :-)) .
:-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-srzpmQz/0/XL/IMG_1068-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 09, 2017, 08:38:29 PM
Aerial view
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-LVxhcGp/0/X3/IMG_1070-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on April 09, 2017, 08:56:54 PM
 :-)) Looking good
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 09, 2017, 09:42:49 PM
Looking very neat and tidy, I do like the symmetry of everything keeps the weight perfectly even and that access is only something I could dream of on the Smit  :-)) Some excellent modelling Andy can't wait to see the deck and superstructure   
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 10, 2017, 08:53:23 PM
Thanks Paul


First steps in making template/designing hatches.
I'm considering paxolin for the main hatch by doublig the deck thickness around the hatch then using paxolin for the hatch flange. This I can drill and tap and use countersunk stainless socket screws.
A hatch for each kort still to draw
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-rFRSBh5/0/X2/IMG_1073-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on April 10, 2017, 09:06:23 PM
Are you going to use her for towing Andy ?
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 10, 2017, 09:09:17 PM
Are you going to use her for towing Andy ?
Yes Brian and the towing lead will be on the hatch, the hatch stops just short of the winch position



Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on April 10, 2017, 09:19:03 PM
I was looking at your aerial view photo and was wondering if you are fitting any more deck supports
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 10, 2017, 09:20:09 PM
I was looking at your aerial view photo and was wondering if you are fitting any more deck supports
Yes thanks for being observant  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 10, 2017, 09:30:48 PM
A number of ideas in mind before gluing the deck on
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-rmMt5jm/0/L/IMG_1074-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on April 10, 2017, 09:32:37 PM
Good :-)) I am really over the top when it comes to deck supports, i like your idea about using two layers for the deck hatches.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on April 11, 2017, 12:36:08 AM
Gluing the deck over the Kort linkages is a rather finite action %).......

So just tinking ok2...you could consider....

1. rotate the PORT L lever 90 degrees anticlockwise
2. rotate the STDB I lever 180 degrees anticlockwise
3. marginally shorten the length of the connection arms, so there is no binding between the servo control rod on full helm to STDB

This would then place the interconnection link arm in very close proximity to the rear end of the deck hatch and allow thumb & forefinger access to the interconnection link arm yokes an pins

Derek
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 11, 2017, 05:58:40 AM
Thank you Derek but I did say each kort will have hatch  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build......DECK WINCH
Post by: T33cno on April 11, 2017, 07:25:10 PM
After speaking to Nick? I think it is at Balne Moor, I want to fit a winch motor.
It must be geared so the shaft cannot rotate unless powered.
It is then operated by a 3 position switch on the transmitter (I have 2 of those)
From the offerings here of MFA geared 12 volts what would be the best rpm? All replies appreciated
http://www.componentshop.co.uk/motors/dc-geared-motors (http://www.componentshop.co.uk/motors/dc-geared-motors)


I am thinking the 274rpm?
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 11, 2017, 07:37:07 PM
Trial kort hatch shelf
I've ordered 3mm paxolin for the covers
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-6K5BXDJ/0/L/IMG_1075-L.jpg)
Knocked up a pedestal for the receiver that doubles as a cable guide
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-SK76DPz/0/XL/IMG_1079-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 11, 2017, 10:32:34 PM
Just a tiny bit of filler to finish the rectification once the primer is hard.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-P4T6hmF/0/X2/IMG_0905-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-sPrWWGM/0/X2/IMG_0907-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-WW5t2f5/0/X2/IMG_0908-X2.jpg)


Sorry to go back but I've since seen another picture of a Portgarth stern and this is inherent in the mold so you either live with it or do as I did.
I'm happy with mine but would rather have not needed to do the extra in time and material
The offending defect would be on the port side here if not rectified.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-H76VTgD/0/L/IMG_1061-L.jpg)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 12, 2017, 07:17:06 AM
tis a shame about that hull you would have thought they could sort that on the mould so that is doesn't happen in future  :(( but you are right to correct it now as if your like me you would be kicking yourself later for not doing it.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 12, 2017, 07:19:20 AM
tis a shame about that hull you would have thought they could sort that on the mould so that is doesn't happen in future  :(( but you are right to correct it now as if your like me you would be kicking yourself later for not doing it.
That is corrected already  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 12, 2017, 07:22:17 AM
I knew that Andy  :-)) just a shame they haven't corrected it on the mould
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Stavros on April 12, 2017, 08:52:49 AM
I had a similar problem with acess to yhe korts on my eldergarth....my fix for this was to cut 2 circles above the korts and simply glued a fixing ring below deck and simply sealed them closed with double sided tape ...tge ultra thin stuff like selotape ....essy to remove and proven to be 100% watertight




Dave
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 12, 2017, 09:18:38 AM
Thanks Dave
Similar but not circular
One on left is the shelf to be fitted under the 3mm deck skin
One on right is template for cutting 2 hatches 3mm thick which will be secured with 3mm countersunk stainless screws tapped into the shelf
It should look industrial like a deliberate access plate to the shottles


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-t7CnQkL/0/L/IMG_1080-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 12, 2017, 09:47:10 AM
Nothing so satisfying as getting paid while being creative
I think it's called productive non profit making  {-)


Nearly tea time  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-vHVH7kq/0/L/IMG_1081-L.jpg)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on April 12, 2017, 01:27:51 PM
 :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 12, 2017, 07:10:41 PM
Got my Paxolin sheets today and got cutting  :-)) just got one thing to say about it it don't half stink cutting it but it is useful stuff
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 12, 2017, 08:22:18 PM
You need to wear a dust mask AND if high speed cutting avoid creating fumes as they are listed as toxic.
I've been cutting it for years. A vacuum cleaner is a bonus
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build......... Kort access hatches
Post by: T33cno on April 12, 2017, 08:25:38 PM
Kort hatch mock up. Imagine deck all painted same colour/finish as below water line and hatches secured with unpainted stainless socket screws flush. Just enough space for Gog iron betwixt.
Deck 3mm ply
Kort hatches 3mm paxolin
Kort hatch shelves 6mm paxolin affixed with resin, drilled and tapped for hatch screws
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-v4qMQpn/0/X2/IMG_1086-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-P8RqZjh/0/X2/IMG_1087-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build......... stand profile felt
Post by: T33cno on April 12, 2017, 08:30:52 PM
10mm wide by 3mm self adhesive felt arrived from ebay Germany. Felt is cheap but postage is not.
I'm very happy with the quality and would buy again  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-v7CMvW6/0/X2/IMG_1088-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 12, 2017, 08:46:09 PM
You need to wear a dust mask AND if high speed cutting avoid creating fumes as they are listed as toxic.
I've been cutting it for years. A vacuum cleaner is a bonus

So I found out after breathing it in most of the afternoon, my lungs aren't too happy this evening hopefully that is mainly the man flu not the Paxolin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 12, 2017, 08:53:51 PM
So I found out after breathing it in most of the afternoon, my lungs aren't too happy this evening hopefully that is mainly the man flu not the Paxolin
I actually like the smell, for me its nostalgic
I cut strips with a TCT metal cutting circular saw. I cut profiles with a Jigsaw with wood cutting blade.
Good sharp files are a must.
Any medium abrasive will do for pre gluing
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 12, 2017, 09:00:48 PM
Bakelite had gone out of production 10 years before I was born  :embarrassed: it's quite a useful material which can be used for many things  :-)   but as for the smell!! nah it's worse than Old Spice after shave
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 12, 2017, 09:02:35 PM
I've yet to experiment with paint on it  O0
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 12, 2017, 09:09:17 PM
I should think it would take paint fine as long as the surface is given a key or maybe using etching primer first  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 13, 2017, 08:20:29 PM
Well unfortunately I have to go on holiday so no boat building  <:(
See you mid next week if I manage to fix wifeys Peugeot electric steering  >>:-(


Off to Camperfest food and drink festival in Chester  :-))
Enjoy your Easter
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on April 13, 2017, 08:24:29 PM
Have a good one Andy :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Stan on April 13, 2017, 08:39:33 PM
HI Andy you  be lost next week no building.  Have a good break see you after Easter.

Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on April 13, 2017, 09:15:51 PM
Have a lovely Easter Andy, a break is much needed sometimes and a food and drink festival sounds perfect
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 13, 2017, 11:11:57 PM
Thanks for your posts
Firstly I'm just reporting my findings as I go warts and all but not intending to belittle MMM. They provide a valuable service as a whole and many people have bought multiple models.  :-))


I've decided not to proceed yet with the running gear as to tank test it would mean fitting the stern tube extensions. These are now much more difficult to remove and if you slip you risk knocking your Korts off !! there's no room for error.
The previous threaded design was IMHO better but more expensive to produce.
So I'll continue with the hull to the point that it is fully primed and laquered below the waterline then I can fit the Korts permanently
Looking back in review. Re the Eze extensions I have found by necessity that it is better to remove them if the need arises by using a good thick piece of rubber to protect the paint and a pair of pliers. It was a relief that this worked rather than MMM's method statement  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 15, 2017, 08:54:17 AM
Ok I'm away but it doesn't stop me thinking "boats"  {-)


Other questions for the Guru's  :-))


What filler is effective on styrene sheet? The bow bulwark needs padding out a bit once the deck is on so Ideally I want something that will do from 5mm max down to a feather edge.


What is the best type of primer for styrene


Most suitable product to stick the bulwark ribs? styrene
/wood and can I glue to sanded sanding sealer?  I would like to fully fill all deck grain before fixing ribs.
Alternatively would I be better using sanded finishing resin and glue to that?


Thank you kindly
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Stan on April 15, 2017, 10:07:52 AM
HI Tc33cno  no with out a doubt Halfords car acrylic primers for styrene and  glass fibre hulls. primers come in the following  red, grey, white, they can have enamels or acrylic paints applied over them. Not sure about the fillers At 5 mm deep.  hope this helps.

Stan. :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 15, 2017, 02:57:35 PM
Thanks for the call Stan  :-))
Anyone got advice to add please do


Weather in Chester is pants and worse tomorrow so coming home early yay! Boat building is better  8)


This is my ship on the road
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Miscellaneous/i-rfKKc9t/0/L/IMG_1090-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 17, 2017, 08:54:19 AM
Home now, sod the weather.
I've fitted some deck strengtheners at the rear. The deck has to start here and work towards the bow.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-RHs9jWw/0/X2/IMG_1092-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-DWsww59/0/X2/IMG_1093-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 17, 2017, 12:39:30 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-B4xQC34/0/XL/IMG_1095-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-tBP4tF8/0/XL/IMG_1097-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-h73kcXf/0/XL/IMG_1096-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 17, 2017, 01:36:09 PM
That went exactly to plan and I'm over the moon with the result so far  :D
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-68xzfrn/0/X2/IMG_1098-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 17, 2017, 02:18:02 PM
Matted off and ready in my spray booth  {-)  er cardboard box  :((
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-nFXCDGQ/0/XL/IMG_1099-XL.jpg)


Excellent result just needs satin coat over OR perhaps matt on the deck? . I'm wondering if I could/should do the whole deck in Paxolin  {:-{ 


Maybe something to try when I build that Maltby  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-pK2mvDG/0/XL/IMG_1100-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 17, 2017, 02:29:51 PM
Deck rope locker (yet another hole in the deck)  Plan shows one ports side between my Kort hatches and main hatch. Is it worth it do I need it?
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 17, 2017, 05:04:01 PM
Almost ready for first deck section
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-JhMhDBD/0/X2/IMG_1101-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Netleyned on April 17, 2017, 05:06:24 PM
Deck rope locker (yet another hole in the deck)  Plan shows one ports side between my Kort hatches and main hatch. Is it worth it do I need it?


Some modellers use it as a hideyhole for switches.


Ned
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 17, 2017, 05:10:19 PM
I never thought of that  :-)) 
However I'd rather switch it above the batteries under the superstructure
I think any hatch that isn't screwed down and sealed it bound to let water in
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 17, 2017, 07:49:59 PM
At this stage I considered using 3mm paxolin for the main hatch too but I'm sticking to my plan.

Here I think you can see my intention. The deck around the hatch will be doubled up. I thought it was 3mm ply (according to MMM) but it is 1/8th as two are more than 6mm.
So here the shelf will be wider and I'll be using M4 countersunk SS 8 off. Only need access for maintenance{oiling} or repairs
The difference in thickness will be made up with a self adhesive foam strip that will act as a seal too.
The deck is still dry fitted while I am sealing and sanding the ply, first coat on and sanded here.


Also you might have noticed I've omitted the motor connectors as they will not be accessible with decks on.




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-8VhXTzN/0/X3/IMG_1102-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 18, 2017, 03:30:16 PM
Midship support added from keel to deck
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-CdSVJgN/0/XL/IMG_1105-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-g9PGNbL/0/XL/IMG_1106-XL.jpg)


Deck ready to go on almost BUT what should I fix it with?????????  I'm thinking resin again with a longer setting time  Brian???


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-qWVfwtb/0/X2/IMG_1108-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-snmM9Bx/0/X2/IMG_1107-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Brian60 on April 19, 2017, 10:02:23 AM
Hmm deck fixing. My last two builds I have used Gorilla glue. Its an epoxy foaming glue, wet one side of join, apply glue to the other and hold/clamp in place while set. It is totally waterproof when set. You just have to be careful how you apply it, as it is a foaming glue it does bubble out of the join edges if too much is used meaning cleanup work has to be done. But I've found if you let it semi set, then this can be peeled off, if it sets completely it can be a b***h.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 19, 2017, 10:32:30 AM
Thank you Brian. I think its going to be a little messy whatever  :((   I think I'm going to stick with (no pun intended) Z poxy as so far the 5 & 15 minute mixes have been spot on. The 30 min should be enough as my rear deck is in two halves.
The little problem I have is to align the first piece I have to fit even if loosely the Kort hatches. In hind sight I'd have been wiser to drill and tap the shelves later .  Live n learn  {-)


I'm just applying chemical metal below the bulwarks this morning while the house is empty. Influenced by Stavros thanks Dave
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 19, 2017, 04:38:05 PM
Thought I may as well crack on in tandem with the superstructure.
I've concluded that I did not get anywhere near enough 1/8th ply with this kit.
With all the paxolin I've used in its place you'd think I'd have loads spare, Battery mounts/ Motor mounts/Hatches and shelves. Perhaps I didn't receive the correct amount? it says 5ft but I only recall two 2ft sheets
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-2p8vjwQ/0/XL/IMG_1109-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 19, 2017, 05:56:07 PM
I remembered Leeds model shop is closed today so that saved me another embarrassment
Tomorrow then from notes on my iPhone  {-)  have I forgot owt?


Model shop
30 min resin
1/8th plywood sheet
Long servo arm
Admiral putty white
Zap a gap

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 19, 2017, 07:52:06 PM
Revision

Model shop
30 min resin
1/8th plywood sheet
Long servo arm
Admiral putty white
Zap a gap
Styrene sheet 2mm? For bulwark frames/ribs watsits
Humbrol paints for deck fittings

I need the longer servo arm because I've set the servo to 150% travel but it's now limited mechanically
A longer arm will give full travel and crank back the percentage

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 19, 2017, 08:01:54 PM
I'm satisfied with MMM's winches. As it says some fettling needed but results are very good for the money  :-))


I needed many more washers than the 2 supplied to take up the slack though.


Can anyone give me a specific colour of the dark blue used on sveitzer ? spelling


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-MbdPp7h/0/XL/IMG_1112-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-Vc7GHRF/0/XL/IMG_1111-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-8XZBM9s/0/XL/IMG_1113-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 19, 2017, 08:31:56 PM
On the other hand these tie me ups for the bow are pitifully undersized  >>:-( about half the size they should be looking at the pictures


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-WbkxwjW/0/XL/IMG_1114-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 19, 2017, 09:45:07 PM
Thought I'd never get there but finally on with the foredeck. Going to be pretty solid I think  {-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-K3cGQf7/0/X3/IMG_1118-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on April 19, 2017, 09:52:05 PM
They need to be solid Andy  :-))  especially as your planning to do some towing, I normally use 9mm ply for the decks and bolt the winches on. 
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 19, 2017, 09:54:41 PM
I'm going to put a few more stringers over the motors where the winch goes and the lead will be fixed on the 6mm paxolin hatch  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Butts on April 20, 2017, 08:19:19 AM
Andy, you've seen my Ormesby Cross. 


It is painted with Halfords rattle cans.  The blue is Renault Royal blue. 


I think it looks right.  The cream is subject to more debate.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 20, 2017, 08:20:55 AM
Thanks for that  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 20, 2017, 10:56:18 AM
Got the last two tins  {-)  apparently they're bringing out a new range next week onwards so not been restocking recently


The colour band on the can lids is very inaccurate but as you get 1 in four tins free I bought a Rover Arun white to test out.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 20, 2017, 10:59:43 AM
Taken from another thread.
Is this as hard as it looks  %)


Where can I get brass strip that narrow for the ladder fall protection?
(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=43033.0;attach=147196;image)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 20, 2017, 05:36:29 PM
Found 1/8th wide brass strip at MACC Model Engineering Ltd


BTW the MMM ladder for the mast is rubbish so I'll be looking for something much better quality. Anyone help??
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on April 20, 2017, 07:18:23 PM
Macc is near me
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: FrozenRabbit471 on April 20, 2017, 08:13:09 PM
Absolutely amazing build.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: kees de mol on April 20, 2017, 08:31:20 PM
beautifull
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 20, 2017, 08:54:23 PM
Thank you both  :-))  warms my cockles  :-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 20, 2017, 09:22:22 PM

Well full of trepidation and a couple of strong lagers I decided to dive in with gluing the foredeck rather than risk the rear deck without experience.
It has gone well and the resin did go off in 30 mins  :-))


I previously added more supports and reinforcement for the lead.
Here you can see how the resin applied to both surfaces has filled the gaps nicely
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-qW5dkd6/0/XL/IMG_1121-XL.jpg)


Knowing this is a runny mess I exercised damage limitation with kitchen roll beneath. Some of this has stuck but out of sight.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-H7nQ6cT/0/XL/IMG_1129-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-BJFkkXS/0/XL/IMG_1130-XL.jpg/img][imghttps://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-qkJzt7W/0/XL/IMG_1127-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-hmZHBMf/0/XL/IMG_1128-XL.jpg)


The ply had 3 coats of sanding sealer before the grain was filled.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: FrozenRabbit471 on April 20, 2017, 09:34:47 PM
Holy Cow. Seeing all that gear makes my wallet pucker up. This is going to be expensive.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 20, 2017, 09:37:24 PM
Between the model shop and inter web I've spent another 200 bucks today  {-)
Cant put a price on your hobby! its all about satisfaction and pride  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: FrozenRabbit471 on April 20, 2017, 09:53:39 PM
amen brother. just new to boats. I'm trying to get my first one in the water with what makes sense without paying large coin. Only bell and whistle I want is a bow thruster.
This thread is an amazing help
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 20, 2017, 09:58:58 PM
amen brother. just new to boats. I'm trying to get my first one in the water with what makes sense without paying large coin. Only bell and whistle I want is a bow thruster.
This thread is an amazing help


Believe it or not I'm new too (January) I've not build a model since I was 14 early 70's
I'm glad its a help as that is the intention as well as me asking for help but unfortunately not all questions get a response  :((
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: FrozenRabbit471 on April 20, 2017, 10:12:45 PM
baha. I'm 46, so we shall be merry masters and great adventures together!
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 20, 2017, 10:20:04 PM
baha. I'm 46, so we shall be merry masters and great adventures together!
I remember 46 like it was yesterday  <:(
Hopefully my Portgarth will be complete by my 60th
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: FrozenRabbit471 on April 20, 2017, 10:21:25 PM
this hobby and these forums helps with that.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 20, 2017, 10:33:08 PM
This is my claim to fame as the only complete Portgarth build on the internet eventually  8) {-)
I do need help to make it a quality representation so I hope more members chip in when advice is required  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 20, 2017, 10:48:01 PM
Finally an easy 2 min job  {-)  superglue  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-hm9qNFR/0/XL/IMG_1131-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 20, 2017, 10:51:39 PM
A taste of things to come
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-FbRgxkQ/0/X2/IMG_1132-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: FrozenRabbit471 on April 20, 2017, 11:05:55 PM
Wicked.
Gigantic!
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 20, 2017, 11:08:09 PM
Wicked.
Gigantic!


I tank/bath tested it again today and it still needs considerable ballast to get it near the plimsole line.
I might have to work out to lift it  {-)


She's only 37.5" or 950mm so I'm glad I didn't choose a bigger model
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-pG7sc4T/0/X2/IMG_1133-X2.jpg)


Rotterdam waits patiently, also 950mm but 1:75
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-BfS5H5c/0/X2/IMG_1134-X2.jpg)




Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: FrozenRabbit471 on April 20, 2017, 11:29:30 PM
 <:(  ⬅Rotterdam
What is the current one?


Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 21, 2017, 07:27:43 AM
<:(  ⬅Rotterdam
What is the current one?


The clue is in the topic title  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Butts on April 21, 2017, 09:10:51 AM
Andy, you intend to position your switch under the superstructure you could find it a problem at Balne Moor, I know I've been there :embarrassed: .
If you think about the moorings, as shown in your photo, how will you reach over to lift the superstructure to switch off? 


NetleyNed earlier suggested a switch under a hatch which is what lots of people do. I just have a switch close to the winch on the deck.  I know you were worried about water leakage, but I've not found it a problem.



Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 21, 2017, 09:19:34 AM
Ok thanks
Perhaps I'll fit a relay and a concealed push button  :-))
Or perhaps keep that as a main isolator and fit a switch in the receiver supply.
I could make the rear deck engine hatch removable with a coaming  inside  8)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Butts on April 21, 2017, 10:35:48 AM
Yes, any of those will work :-)) .


Those of us with Hernia and Double Hernia class boats have to think of strategies so as not to have to lift them out of the water too often %% .
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 21, 2017, 10:59:22 AM
Yes, any of those will work :-)) .


Those of us with Hernia and Double Hernia class boats have to think of strategies so as not to have to lift them out of the water too often %% .


Think mines a squeaky fart  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: FrozenRabbit471 on April 21, 2017, 03:33:59 PM

Lmbo

Think mines a squeaky fart  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 23, 2017, 08:52:33 PM
Nice weekend away but managed a bit this afternoon.


Battery access is plenty adequate  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-jVb5v46/0/X2/IMG_1142-X2.jpg)


I've been making sections up to dry fit against each other. Nothing glued down yet bar the fore deck.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-2cgJNp8/0/X2/IMG_1143-X2.jpg)


Pictures should be useful for other builders as it's often difficult to envisage from just the templates & plan. Quite slow going with the superstructure as every piece needs to be checked against every other piece it will contact.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-M5fKwDh/0/X2/IMG_1144-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: FrozenRabbit471 on April 23, 2017, 09:58:23 PM
lookin Purdy. good job
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on April 24, 2017, 06:55:21 AM
Looking good Andy, i all ways fit my switch,s on the deck under the hatch makes life easier O0 .
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 24, 2017, 07:06:17 AM
Yes I agree now and have ordered a receiver switch
This is why I've held off gluing the deck in place  :-))  The engine hatch is just about big enough
Thanks
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on April 24, 2017, 03:15:04 PM
Sticking the deck on is a big step especially on small models where chunky bloke hands are too big to get in a fix things that get loose or break because pre assembly testing was not rigourous enough.

She's looking good Andy.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 24, 2017, 06:26:48 PM
Thanks Ian
Back at work today so made a piece of paxolin for the main hatch.
Presents arrived from the postman
A quality oil can for U know what
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-KgqPX5d/0/19a27d34/X2/IMG_1145-X2.jpg)


The brass flat bar for the mast  :-))  perfick


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-6rZ5tjJ/0/0e88da63/X2/IMG_1147-X2.jpg)


A couple of geared motors 15:1 & 30:1 to experiment with a winch


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-SwCvtCD/0/1cf819a7/X2/IMG_1146-X2.jpg)



Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 24, 2017, 07:07:25 PM
Unfortunately I have been sent 1.5-3.0 volt motors which is not what I ordered  {:-{
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 24, 2017, 08:14:38 PM
6mm paxo didn't need much fettling  :-)
I'll leave drilling and tapping until after the decks glued down
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-M9DJpdL/0/18b66bad/X2/IMG_1149-X2.jpg)



4mms screws probably 8 off for main hatch


3's for kort hatches


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-Njf4cfg/0/0f092cea/L/image-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build...... Main deck washport dilemma
Post by: T33cno on April 24, 2017, 09:01:42 PM
By May I'm looking forwards to gluing the decks and clearing out the washports again BUT
It keeps striking me that MMM have marked the main deck ports as two long ones whilst the real vessel has a short a long and a short.
This bothers me but what do you think?

Actual
http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/photos/of/ships/shipid:190379/#forward (http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/photos/of/ships/shipid:190379/#forward)
(http://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=2450466)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on April 24, 2017, 09:21:44 PM
Do as the real boat because that is what your building a scale model of.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 24, 2017, 09:23:02 PM
Do as the real boat because that is what your building a scale model of.
Exactly how I feel so why would MMM stray from that blatantly? I cannot see a reason for it.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 24, 2017, 09:55:14 PM
We need MORE pictures like this. I may have to pay a visit and take some proper photos.
I'm going to be asking "how do I reproduce those securing bands around the fender" ??????? %)

(http://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=1942997)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugmad on April 24, 2017, 10:14:38 PM
Exactly how I feel so why would MMM stray from that blatantly? I cannot see a reason for it.




It is quite possible that the drawings the model was originally made from was the builders original design general arrangement.  which gets altered as the vessel is built,
Things get altered all the time when ships are being built, so the modeller if wanting an Exact copy of the real thing needs to do at least some research into the subject.you will probably find that the general arrangement which must be displayed aboard has several differences to the actuall ship.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 25, 2017, 06:03:05 AM
Good answer thanks  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Butts on April 25, 2017, 08:16:49 AM
Andy, I'm not sure what design you are planning for your winch, but I think you will need a much lower gearing than those motors you have. 
My winch (admittedly untested on a new boat) has a gearing of 3000/1 which will give a turn speed of about 5 turns per minute. Lower gearing will tend to spool out when under tension. 
Also remember if you use it for competition tug towing you are only allowed to spool in or out to adjust your line length, not to actually winch the vessel.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 25, 2017, 09:22:11 AM
Depending on the size of your drum 5 turns per minute might only take out 1" of slack which is far too slow
I think it really needs to be able to take up at least a foot in minute or less.


Will a 360 degree rotation servo run either way? I wonder ??



Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 25, 2017, 09:42:02 AM
I wish MMM wouldn't cast these peg holes in each half as both fittings bow and maindeck have one side well off centre  :((


I'm sure it was intended to help but it's not if it's not in the middle and would be much easier to drill it after assembly

The one on the right as pictured here

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-j6FRRCC/0/4454cfd9/XL/IMG_1150-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Butts on April 25, 2017, 10:16:39 AM
Depending on the size of your drum 5 turns per minute might only take out 1" of slack which is far too slow
I think it really needs to be able to take up at least a foot in minute or less.

That's why I have a 7'' drum circumference.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 25, 2017, 12:18:45 PM
That's why I have a 7'' drum circumference.


 {-)  I don't think I have room for that
I'm at the experimentation stage and don't even have a drum yet  {:-{
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on April 25, 2017, 12:59:54 PM
Some very sound advice and no nonsense comment there Butts  :-))...obviously from a mature vintage  ok2....... Derek

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Butts on April 25, 2017, 01:49:10 PM
Cheers Derek. You're right of course about the "mature vintage" :} .


Andy, my drum is only 6.5cm in diameter which is not that large and the hull it is in is a 1/25 scale Damen Stan 2208 - so slightly smaller than a Portgarth
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 25, 2017, 02:29:44 PM
Pictures would be helpful  :-))
I'm limited as to where I can put it in the hold
Most likely on the underside of the main hatch
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: poll on April 25, 2017, 02:38:05 PM
Depending on the size of your drum 5 turns per minute might only take out 1" of slack which is far too slow
I think it really needs to be able to take up at least a foot in minute or less.


Will a 360 degree rotation servo run either way? I wonder ??

 Hi Andy.
 Slow on the winching in & out, If to fast you get it balled up round the drum , would not like to say I told you so, been there & done it.
 
 John                Balne Moor mbc
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 25, 2017, 03:06:09 PM
Thank you  :-))


Parts materials pictures sketches all welcome pleez  %%
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on April 25, 2017, 08:00:27 PM
There is an article in this month's Model Boats by a chap (Francis Macnaughton) who uses 'Continuous roatation servos' as combination ESC/Drive motor for small model boats.

While the ones he uses are not for heavy loads, you may find there are bigger ones with more poke available. They are used for computer controlled robots and if available, a larger one might do for your winch and allow variable winding speeds:O)

The link for servos is www.rapidonline.com

Otherwise, searching for 'Continuous roatation servos' may give you more options.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 25, 2017, 08:39:40 PM
Thanks Ian. I've already bought a continuous one for trials when I have time  :-))


More pictures, we like pictures don't we children  :}


I've managed to re drill the Lead and tap it 6mm for long brass bolts. Unfortunately on assembly I found the holes for the crossbar are too low for this set up so had to fill them in and re drill higher  <*<


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-fTfXLX6/0/aff0103f/XL/IMG_1152-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-7hT882d/0/ecbdd017/XL/IMG_1153-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-MqgdtCd/0/b2456481/XL/IMG_1155-XL.jpg)


So I now have a nice handle for removing the hatch  8)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-DpBnz7G/0/13f6d5f9/XL/IMG_1156-XL.jpg)


Thanks again for the switch advice. This is now in place and the engine access hatch will be sited over it  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-CKqDL8C/0/c1142059/XL/IMG_1154-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 25, 2017, 08:43:49 PM
I'd like to forgo a bit of building time this weekend and visit Balne moor for a plunge  8)   What would be the best day considering it's bank holiday weekend?


Kirklees will be CLOSED due to tour de Yorkshire
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Kevgarth on April 25, 2017, 09:22:42 PM
Interesting build you've got there T33cno.
I thought I'd send you photo's of my Portgarth winch please excuse the dust??? The winch was fabricated out of thick wall brass tube and other sections of brass and silver/soft soldered together and like yours its bolted through the deck. I've also attached a few others of my model which was built back in 2002 and uses Graupner schottle drives, there's a few more photo's of it on the modeltugforum site if your interstered.
The great thing with building this model was the full size vessel is based here in Bristol which is a darn sight a lot closer than the present tug I'm building at present MIDDLESBROUGH.
Keep the good work up and thanks for sharing your build with us.


Kevin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Kevgarth on April 25, 2017, 09:26:29 PM
Here's two more of my Portgarth model taken down at a very cold Roath Park last March.


Kevin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 25, 2017, 09:27:32 PM
Thank you ever so much! you're straight on my buddy list  {-) :-))
This is the kind of thing I was hoping for! picture sharing and awesome ones too  8)
I don't think I can replicate that but appreciate it.
I can see the bow fenders are attached using cable ties  :-))  I had this in mind but now I see it is doable  :-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Kevgarth on April 25, 2017, 09:36:00 PM
Yeah I used plasticard strip and they just split and not with use or hitting against as there under no real tension.


Kevin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 25, 2017, 09:45:11 PM
Do your mast lights all work? Your mast is closer to reality than the MMM plans so I'd imagine wiring yours would be exceptionally difficult?
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Kevgarth on April 25, 2017, 10:17:47 PM
I've sent you a PM T33cno


Kevin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Kevgarth on April 25, 2017, 10:57:06 PM
Here's a photo I forgot I had of the stern view of my Portgarth model I hope it's of interest.


Kevin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on April 25, 2017, 11:21:04 PM
The stern and bow fenders are secured with chains covered with rubber sleeve to protect the ship she is pushing
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Kevgarth on April 26, 2017, 08:07:17 AM
I used 18mm diameter rubber round section and grooved it to take the straps to secure it back and once cut to length I used Gripfill (adhesive) to stick it back to the model the cable ties are just looks they don't take no tension in anyway.


Kevin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Butts on April 26, 2017, 08:29:31 AM
I'd like to forgo a bit of building time this weekend and visit Balne moor for a plunge  8)   What would be the best day considering it's bank holiday weekend?


I'm not sure who might be there at the weekend.  I've other commitments on Sunday and Monday but will probably be there late morning/early afternoon on Saturday.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Butts on April 26, 2017, 08:59:46 AM
Photo of my winch drum as requested.


No, I did not make it.  I have a talented nephew with an engineering workshop :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 26, 2017, 09:59:52 AM
Thanks and thanks  :-))


That's a nice drum  :-)
I may have to resort to scrap heap challenge  :((
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 26, 2017, 12:38:23 PM
Having day dreamed at work I have an image of a paxolin winding drum
I can get the right shaft diameter by using a number of K&S precision brass tubes inside each other then tapped for a grub screw  O0
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 26, 2017, 12:42:01 PM
Here's a photo I forgot I had of the stern view of my Portgarth model I hope it's of interest.


Kevin


Superb detail very much appreciated
See you at Donny  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 26, 2017, 12:50:13 PM
Bit more at work  O0
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-pfW5RNg/0/953ce0d4/XL/IMG_1157-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 26, 2017, 03:09:18 PM
Drum core sorted  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-5dt6Rc3/0/06a388ae/XL/IMG_1158-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 26, 2017, 06:36:13 PM
Just home and straight into it  {-)
Yes the continuous rotation servo runs in both directions  :-))  So I'm sure I can cobble something together
Rotation speed is excellent  :-))

Edit. Connected to elevator on receiver gives right stick up and down in and out with auto off

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-pSn3LhD/0/9b84b374/X2/IMG_1160-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 26, 2017, 06:47:23 PM
https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/videos/10155160929847593/
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build...... Motorised drum winch trials
Post by: T33cno on April 26, 2017, 08:11:41 PM
https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/videos/10155161127727593/ (https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/videos/10155161127727593/)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 26, 2017, 08:44:18 PM
Works rather well  :-))
I'll mount it between the drive motors so the line goes up a brass tube above deck enough to avoid water ingress and then over the top of the model drum winch.
Just a reminder for readers the main hatch will be battened down with eight ss countersunk M4 Allen screws. So the tow hook if used will be secure  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-g7w6P8K/0/c93ad294/X2/IMG_1165-X2.jpg)


Something like
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-bw4JVKN/0/85a3bb11/X2/IMG_1166-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 26, 2017, 08:55:38 PM
Tomorrow when the boss ain't looking I'm going to try that Renault royal blue  :-))  thank you
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-j5mVSQj/0/52506518/XL/IMG_1167-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 26, 2017, 09:01:01 PM
Back to the drawing board  <:(  I can turn the servo with the drum on it  {:-{  what a shame  {-)


Guess what the next move is @Butts ?   {-)   3000:1  8)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on April 26, 2017, 09:37:48 PM
At least you tried and we all learnt the limits of continuous servos  :-))

That Paxolin is versatile stuff Andy!
 
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 26, 2017, 09:39:34 PM
At least you tried and we all learnt the limits of continuous servos  :-))

That Paxolin is versatile stuff Andy!


Certainly if you didn't know you do know  {-)
It'll go in the bits drawer but the drum I can still use  :-))


Might have to get a BIGGER drawer tho
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 26, 2017, 10:16:58 PM
Motor purchased ebay £20  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 27, 2017, 07:52:23 AM
Love the colour, be great with satin lacquer  :-))   thank you Mike
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-HWW4QXF/0/9b43f908/L/IMG_1168-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: poll on April 27, 2017, 09:16:02 PM

I'm not sure who might be there at the weekend.  I've other commitments on Sunday and Monday but will probably be there late morning/early afternoon on Saturday.

   Saturday lunch ish sounds good to me for a tow. You never know M.P.B.A. may call in. :-))

   John

   
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 27, 2017, 09:19:54 PM
I usually work 4 days 37.5 hrs but I'm working tomorrow at short notice which is worth 14 hrs in the pocket so can't refuse. So unfortunately I'll not be up for Saturday but will be gluing the first part of the main deck on. Have fun
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: poll on April 27, 2017, 09:25:46 PM
I usually work 4 days 37.5 hrs but I'm working tomorrow at short notice which is worth 14 hrs in the pocket so can't refuse. So unfortunately I'll not be up for Saturday but will be gluing the first part of the main deck on. Have fun

   Hi Andy. How's that work are you on nights?

   John
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 27, 2017, 09:27:13 PM
Days but my boat's not ready for Saturday as I can't do anything on it tomorrow.
If the 3000:1 motor turns up I hope to sort it and mount it so all the deck can go on.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 27, 2017, 09:31:18 PM
Whilst on that theme what do we use for tow line? and I imagine 3 metres would cover all circumstances?? with most of it on the drum.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: poll on April 27, 2017, 09:42:41 PM

   Brick layers line is good. What about the Afon Alaw you have for Saturday?

   John
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 27, 2017, 09:45:03 PM
   Brick layers line is good. What about the Afon Alaw you have for Saturday?

   John


Thanks John
The Afon isn't built to tow as it has too much deck furniture. When my Portgarth is finished I may dismantle the whole caboodle and build it my way as I already acquired plans etc. :-))


EDIT actually it would be more sensible to sell it on and buy a hull
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 27, 2017, 09:54:19 PM


 :-))


(https://cdn.manomano.fr/m600-series-masons-lines-285ft-L-709759-2186531_1.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: poll on April 27, 2017, 10:00:21 PM

  yes that is fine

  John
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 27, 2017, 10:08:43 PM
  yes that is fine

  John
£7.34 delivered for 85 metres, should last a while  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Kevgarth on April 28, 2017, 05:02:34 PM
Following on from our telephone conversation earlier Andy please find attached photo's that are to hand of my Portgarth model as I'm still waiting for the sun to come out here in Bristol for another photo session, I'll see if there's anything else that be handy for your build and bring it up to Doncaster.


Regards
Kevin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 28, 2017, 05:09:03 PM
Yup thanks for the call  :-)) 
How do I do those window frames on the wheelhouse ?
Just one of many questions to come  8)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Kevgarth on April 28, 2017, 06:28:36 PM
Cut all the panels and offer them in position and once your happy with the shape of the wheelhouse it's then you mark the cut-outs for the windows as then the windows are parallel with the joint of the wheelhouse, I hope that makes sense???


Regards
Kevin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 28, 2017, 07:08:18 PM
Yes I understand that Kevin but I meant the window frames? Is it styrene or something etc


Or should I say surrounds?
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Kevgarth on April 28, 2017, 07:15:01 PM
The way I done mine was to cut the perspex to the shape of the cut-out then fix plasti-card to the outside edge in doing this you're forming a rebate and then your glue it into position and this way you've got a nice joint on the outside edge.


Regards
Kevin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 28, 2017, 08:28:31 PM
The way I done mine was to cut the perspex to the shape of the cut-out then fix plasti-card to the outside edge in doing this you're forming a rebate and then your glue it into position and this way you've got a nice joint on the outside edge.


Regards
Kevin
8)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 28, 2017, 08:35:27 PM
Next up for general circulation!
Resin brushes. The ones from hobby craft are cheap but as reviewers say the bristles come out in use  >>:-(


I tracked down ones by "Great planes" as sold at Leeds Model shop but LMS want 25p each and would only drop to £33 per box of 144 which I thought was a miserly discount.
I just bought the same by mail order for £27 delivered  :-))
No personal connection I swear!! just sharing FYI


https://wheelspinmodels.co.uk/i/279331/?gclid=Cj0KEQjw0IvIBRDF0Yzq4qGE4IwBEiQATMQlMdoDcbGu7kroK265yvgKVgLhRujvPcin0MF_s1A1tmQaAsef8P8HAQ
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 28, 2017, 09:49:45 PM
Never going to match the authenticity of Kevin's but Will do for now and as it is easily replaced I have the option in future
This could be a finished section in very little time with a Matt lacquer hatch satin lacquer steel and a nice canary yellow D area finished with the SS socket screws  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-NtWR5m3/0/5c5b9f56/X3/IMG_1182-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on April 28, 2017, 09:57:38 PM
Following on from our telephone conversation earlier Andy please find attached photo's that are to hand of my Portgarth model as I'm still waiting for the sun to come out here in Bristol for another photo session, I'll see if there's anything else that be handy for your build and bring it up to Doncaster.


Regards
Kevin


She looks good on the water Kevin :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on April 28, 2017, 10:00:13 PM
Never going to match the authenticity of Kevin's but Will do for now and as it is easily replaced I have the option in future
This could be a finished section in very little time with a Matt lacquer hatch satin lacquer steel and a nice canary yellow D area finished with the SS socket screws  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-NtWR5m3/0/5c5b9f56/X3/IMG_1182-X3.jpg)


She is coming along Andy you will have her at Balne Moor before long, and show poll how its done LOL
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 28, 2017, 10:03:36 PM

She is coming along Andy you will have her at Balne Moor before long, and show poll how its done LOL
I doubt that but perhaps John will tutor me  :-))


Just now the decks depend on this winch motor arriving tomorrow. I need to make it function and fit it in a manner that I can remove it for service if required. Much paxolin involved  {-) .
I'm looking forwards to remodelling the washports and starting on the ribs
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 29, 2017, 12:14:16 PM
This will be a testing process  :o
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-s3gWhkW/0/56b1ade3/L/IMG_1184-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 29, 2017, 02:26:57 PM
Here we go Mike!  5rpm


https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/videos/10155168983877593/ (https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/videos/10155168983877593/)




Literally just fits with 1mm clearance and I can remove with just two socket screws on the main hatch shelf  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-pzPZxp6/0/704755d1/X3/IMG_1185-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-Vgd5BfX/0/ab490523/X3/IMG_1186-X3.jpg)


FYI
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-F4RzkgK/0/e90fdd14/X3/IMG_1187-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 29, 2017, 05:23:30 PM
That has been quite a tense hour
The worry being that I made the mistake of drilling and tapping the Kort hatches earlier and if I didn't position the deck spot on I'd have a serious misalignment. However it has gone well with all surplus resin scraped off and hatches fit perfect. I've also produced a stencil to spray the yellow danger area.
I've been painstaking in ensuring that no edges were missed with resin as I don't want any water penetration between the ply and the paxolin.
Please offer me suggestions for the Gog as the MMM one isn't suitable for a working model
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-2Qb8sNH/0/f6e840b9/X3/IMG_1189-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 29, 2017, 05:55:56 PM
That's my main hatch now awesomised  {-)  absolutely delighted and when the sealing gasket is fitted it will be a perfect flush finish.
Now I can treat the hatch as a separate unit and paint finish it  :-) 


Note to self . Remember the battery screwdriver!!


Edit  I think I'll paint the crew heads too but leave the hex socket unpainted
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-s398qQs/0/6f17d982/X3/IMG_1190-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on April 29, 2017, 08:05:49 PM
Looking good Andy. The winch motor though a touch noisey looks like it does exactly what you wanted it to do.

What is a Gog?
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 29, 2017, 08:11:27 PM
Thanks Ian
It will wear in and be less noisy I believe but it sounds louder because the sound is resonating through the bench. I'm not sure it's what I want but if it's good enough for Mike (Butts)  :-)) 
EDIT however Mike's is a larger circumference drum but I could not have accommodated that anyway so it will have to do. Quite fortunate really that the size I made happened to JUST fit.


The gog is the iron hoop at the rear of the deck that tethers the tow line to prevent it going too far to port of starboard. I stand to be corrected tho  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 29, 2017, 08:32:33 PM

Further more I calculate my drum will wind 625mm per minute which I guess will do?I'm not sure how far Butts has gotten with his winch but this is what I'm doing.
This is my rope guide hole and I've countersunk it on the underside
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-R3Dcvwc/0/2bd010b8/XL/IMG_1191-XL.jpg)


Here it adds strength as a bonus and the rope exits and is directed over the dummy deck winch and off to la derriere . I'm going to fit a guide tube above deck so deck wash don't go down there.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-qH4GjMN/0/1a18702e/XL/IMG_1193-XL.jpg)


Component shop must love me  {-)  and I'm not finished


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-c3sVZ8k/0/d474703c/XL/IMG_1192-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 30, 2017, 10:14:12 AM
My chosen deck & roof finish.
Left Halfrauds red primer and right with matt lacquer


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-jd8kB8q/0/0dc93cbb/L/IMG_1194-L.jpg)


Subtle Satin on Renault royal blue. Looks rather lighter here than to the naked eye
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-BtXPjb2/0/ce21041f/XL/IMG_1195-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 30, 2017, 12:21:42 PM
Without trying I've managed to not make it look perfect  {-) but I'm happy with it  :-))  and when it's gone completely matt it will do me  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-nM4NTgL/0/0dcabfe9/X2/IMG_1196-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 30, 2017, 01:14:22 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-83Zzn8g/0/3a8be648/XL/IMG_1197-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.......Sanding sealer
Post by: T33cno on April 30, 2017, 04:06:15 PM
Sometimes it pays to do your own testing rather than get incorrect advice.
A question was asked about sanding sealer recently and to prove a point I've treated a piece of ply here and primed it without issue or uneccesary expense


Also I have glued two pieces of ply to the sanding sealer with
A superglue
B aliphatic resin


Both feel solid but tomorrow I'll do a destruction test to see which gives with both
Either the glue or the wood
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-R6Z6phB/0/2c935363/X3/IMG_1200-X3.jpg)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 30, 2017, 04:48:07 PM
Tow line exit tube fitted.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-DHW3TPN/0/5e5c9748/L/IMG_1203-L.jpg)


Another dry fit test of sections
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-GGRHCt3/0/73f970ba/X3/IMG_1204-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on April 30, 2017, 06:01:59 PM
I do like to see a good bit of birch ply  O0 The tube should restrict all but the most active prop wash getting into your motor bay. As long as none of your electronic equipment is on the bottom of the hull then I cannot see any risk from water ingress at this point.

Looking good:O)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 30, 2017, 06:05:01 PM
I think she can easily take 2 litres of water before anything is jeopardised :-))
I'm partial to some birch myself  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.......Sanding sealer
Post by: T33cno on April 30, 2017, 06:11:27 PM
Sometimes it pays to do your own testing rather than get incorrect advice.
A question was asked about sanding sealer recently and to prove a point I've treated a piece of ply here and primed it without issue or uneccesary expense


Also I have glued two pieces of ply to the sanding sealer with
A superglue
B aliphatic resin


Both feel solid but tomorrow I'll do a destruction test to see which gives with both
Either the glue or the wood
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-R6Z6phB/0/2c935363/X3/IMG_1200-X3.jpg)
Update
Aliphatic is a complete fail as it cannot penetrate sanding sealer. So bare wood only!
So far the Zap a Gap medium CA is holding tight
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 30, 2017, 07:03:00 PM
Deck support beefed up
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-qsfXBZw/0/64445376/X2/IMG_1205-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.......Sanding sealer
Post by: Trawlerman-Les on April 30, 2017, 07:36:21 PM
Quote
A question was asked about sanding sealer recently and to prove a point I've treated a piece of ply here and primed it without issue or uneccesary expense




Hi.

That was my question in the beginners section regarding sealer and glue.

Thanks for carrying out that test, I now feel much happier about masking the areas to be glued, in my case it's the underside of the ply sub-deck where it will be glued to the deck beams of my Boston Typhoon build.

Les
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.......Sanding sealer
Post by: T33cno on April 30, 2017, 07:38:07 PM
A question was asked about sanding sealer recently and to prove a point I've treated a piece of ply here and primed it without issue or uneccesary expense





Hi.

That was my question in the beginners section regarding sealer and glue.

Thanks for carrying out that test, I now feel much happier about masking the areas to be glued, in my case it's the underside of the ply sub-deck where it will be glued to the deck beams of my Boston Typhoon build.

Les


Interesting cos I never read that  {-)  coincidence? Glad it helped you Les.


Personally I'm not sealing the underside or inside of anything but I do need to glue sections on top of sealed ply.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 30, 2017, 08:18:20 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-BSQMVzq/0/a1e47209/X2/IMG_1206-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 30, 2017, 09:17:17 PM
The jury is out but what do you think?
Painted or raw stainless


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-tC5DFwt/0/76c38bab/XL/IMG_1207-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: kees de mol on April 30, 2017, 09:48:46 PM
Very well done. I would say painted is better looking
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on April 30, 2017, 09:50:05 PM
Very well done. I would say painted is better looking
Thank you Kees, I thought so too but Wifey likes shiny  <*<
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on May 01, 2017, 08:49:01 AM
Looks good, perhaps a thin black edge arond it.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 01, 2017, 08:55:55 AM
Looks good, perhaps a thin black edge arond it.
Around what specifically Tim?
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on May 01, 2017, 09:09:32 AM
Around the edge of the yellow just to denote the danger area.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 01, 2017, 09:11:21 AM
You're having a giraffe  {-)  I know my limitations  {:-{
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on May 01, 2017, 09:31:04 AM
You're having a giraffe  {-)  I know my limitations  {:-{


Ask timbo to pop over to yours and paint it on for you  {-) {-) {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 01, 2017, 09:32:38 AM
Great idea Brian  :-))
However the real boat has no line and it looks better in the flesh without any ridges  O0
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on May 01, 2017, 09:33:34 AM
Great idea Brian  :-))
However the real boat has no line and it looks better in the flesh without any ridges  O0


 :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on May 01, 2017, 09:36:11 AM
😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on May 01, 2017, 11:42:34 AM
If you paint it then every time you need to access the hull here the bolts will get scratched and will need repainting.

With good testing and the like before final fitting, the hatches should not need removing very often, so all being well the paint will not get chipped often. If the wind is with you then your installment will be so reliable that the hatches will only need removing when you refit her in a few years.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 01, 2017, 11:54:15 AM
Only need access to the prop shaft oiler tubes
I have a ball end Allen key that should not scratch  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 01, 2017, 12:50:24 PM
OK back to work!
Deck held up while tow line arrives, easier to fit and test before the deck is glued over.


So back to Superstructure.
I had to think about this for a while but then concluded the best place to continue was with the roof skin.
The reason being that this interfaces with EVERY other piece and clearly easier to fettle each of them than this in one.
I've been building to measurements rather than templates (guide only) so using this for reference.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-TCSW8LV/0/fb8f5ce3/L/IMG_1210-L.jpg)


I turned the cabin upside down on the 1.5mm ply to mark reference points that would help when joined up
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-DFtd2qz/0/8f68e78d/L/IMG_1209-L.jpg)


I did of course run a straight edge across all the frames and sand until flat for 100% contact.


Now glued with aliphatic resin.  I've left a little spare ply overhang where there is doubt.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-CG2VXX9/0/d4596c81/L/IMG_1211-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build...... Engine hatch receiver switch
Post by: T33cno on May 01, 2017, 02:46:21 PM
Engine access hatch with receiver switch used to fix it in place. So it can be removed for painting and fixed on last.
The box has a bottom on it so the screws go right through holding it down.
I have no idea what the hatch lid SHOULD look like so that's at a standstill until I get a picture  ;)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-B7qJS9H/0/c46048cf/XL/IMG_1214-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-HsgmGWG/0/b018cc5f/XL/IMG_1216-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-pRJsVFn/0/df6764ec/XL/IMG_1215-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 01, 2017, 04:19:11 PM
MMM plans show the engine hatch much taller than it actually is so I've cut it down to match this image. I can see the upstand is royal blue and the lid is deck colour but the detail is too obscure  :((


(http://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=1942997)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build...HELP Portgarth owners!
Post by: T33cno on May 01, 2017, 08:50:10 PM
I'm building the deckhouse and I want to know what you did where the port and starboard door recesses are.
Did you cut away the sole plate in this gap? My instinct tells me it doesn't belong as it creates a trip hazard.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 01, 2017, 10:09:08 PM
Sorted
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 01, 2017, 10:23:26 PM
Night all
I'll leave you with some build music  :-))


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XCc4rDU-24I
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 02, 2017, 09:52:29 PM
No tow line turned up today  <:(


Ordered this to butcher and use as a GOG
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271973635211


Enquired as to whether an 810:1 geared motor will hold fast without power rather than 3000:1


Continued with deck house


Off to bed early riser for work
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 03, 2017, 07:21:43 PM
I ordered the 810:1 motor from Maplins online @ £24.99 free delivery.
My tow line still has not arrived so looks like it will all come together.
I'll save the 3000:1 for the Maltby where I can design & accommodate a larger circumference winding drum :-))
I'm working Friday which is overtime! to pay for the schottels I just bought  8)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 03, 2017, 08:05:36 PM
Picture updates
This is really slow going and I'm not going to try go any faster.


Door recesses done
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-sGtkc8D/0/b3f350f2/M/IMG_1231-M.jpg)
The templates show the front walls in three pieces but I'm preparing to do it in one wrap around rather than having joints that may open in the future.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-Dxch9sB/0/ff7cfc74/M/IMG_1232-M.jpg)
Probably need to make the corners less severe yet.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-3pxVdbL/0/3e71ed0a/X2/IMG_1233-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on May 03, 2017, 10:14:22 PM
There are several methods of covering rounded corners depending on how much fettling you mind doing Andy. tight corners like these can be problematic for some materials especially if they tend to be brittle like some plys and plastics (certainly if old having lost their elastic properties).

It will be interesting to see what you choose to do as it is becoming a nice looking bridge.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 05, 2017, 06:19:50 PM
Thanks Ian


Friday! Yippee  8)
Postman left it all for today
Motor from Maplins
Wera ball end allen key drivers for deck screws
builders twine
SS shackle cut down to use as Gog


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-MznnD7D/0/c1a96697/X2/IMG_1248-X2.jpg)


Made a larger diameter drum for the 3000:1 motor to use on next build. Will wind 750/800mm per minute
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-Lq4PdZP/0/415ab903/X2/IMG_1243-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 05, 2017, 07:03:48 PM


Nice fit for half an hour work  8)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-4MjjFpT/0/ca6f1990/X2/IMG_1249-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build......winch motor stuff
Post by: T33cno on May 05, 2017, 08:34:18 PM
I appreciate that individual pictures don't capture scale so here is a comparison of the two motors and drums.
For the un initiated they are made from Paxolin (google) three discs of 6mm and two of 3mm joined with CA
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-5qxDNkS/0/496dca86/XL/IMG_1250-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.....Working winch 810:1
Post by: T33cno on May 06, 2017, 02:41:36 PM
 :-))


I'll now remove it and glue the decks on before refitting


https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/videos/10155189509832593/
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 06, 2017, 04:58:09 PM
Deck nailed on (30 min resin) winch refitted quite easily and 3.5metres of para cord wound on.
I didn't like the builders stuff as it was only twisted line.
Next the two side decks
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-hcxRnPn/0/3433522e/X3/IMG_1253-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 06, 2017, 05:58:19 PM
Extra stringers fitted with 5min resin
Better get a move on as she's getting launched at Kirklees tomorrow  8)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-qhq8MKP/0/81355cba/X3/IMG_1254-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on May 06, 2017, 07:46:04 PM
I hope your innaugral sail goes well Andy.

It is great when stuff arrives. It is like Christmas :O) I have had two deliveries of haynes fittings which is a joy.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 06, 2017, 08:16:41 PM
 :-))


Bit more
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-RqQrs6g/0/4f5f9716/X3/IMG_1255-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build............decks fitted.
Post by: T33cno on May 06, 2017, 08:31:14 PM
Loving this bit  8)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-rgNpFhc/0/4a751593/X3/IMG_1256-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on May 07, 2017, 07:04:59 AM
Very nice all coming together hope she goes well.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on May 07, 2017, 09:08:10 AM
Looking good  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 07, 2017, 11:45:00 AM
Thanks went great and I think on completion she won't need any ballast at the bow and perhaps a bit at the stern to level out  :-))



Difficult to film with a phone and drive at same time
https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/videos/10155192006642593/ (https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/videos/10155192006642593/)


No water ingress. Spending rest of the day re opening the washports and perhaps remodelling the lower deck ones that are not like the real ship
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-VVnv33k/1/e5b1b702/X3/IMG_1262-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.....washport size?
Post by: T33cno on May 07, 2017, 01:59:06 PM
So these wash ports then. The hull cast markings would have you believe that these are not particularly high. I've cut mine out bigger than suggested but when comparing to the actually vessel they are still no where near big enough.
Looking at photographs I estimate a washport equals 25% of the bulwark height which would equate to 7.5mm on mine.
Here they're at about 6mm but I think they'd look better BIGGER. What do you think?????????
The bulwark benefits from better rigidity because of the styrene so I don't think strength will be compromised.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-GpW38bg/0/f601e55e/X2/IMG_1264-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 07, 2017, 02:16:04 PM
So I think I'm going for here bottom of tape
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-hTWxmPq/0/e0777954/XL/IMG_1265-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 07, 2017, 03:05:26 PM
Subtle change
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-VSbgvFf/0/d9a244e4/X3/IMG_1268-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on May 07, 2017, 08:39:49 PM
If the real ones are 7.5mm and you don't mind grinding the extra depth then go for it Andy.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 07, 2017, 08:40:48 PM
If the real ones are 7.5mm and you don't mind grinding the extra depth then go for it Andy.
I did  {-)  that's it above  :-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build......Side bump strip.
Post by: T33cno on May 07, 2017, 09:02:49 PM
As anyone come up with a better solution for the rubbing strakes than the huge square section provided by MMM ?????????
I'm sure I've seen a better solution somewhere  {:-{


EDIT
One possibility


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sundely-Brand-New-High-Quality-Small-Rubber-Strip-D-Profile-x-10-Meter-/282112221553
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on May 08, 2017, 09:31:59 AM
Hi Andy try looking on Seals Direct site they do some great rubber on there.


regards John
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 08, 2017, 09:34:31 AM
Thanks John
I don't understand why they make the strake in the GRP only half the width of the rubber they supply  {:-{

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 08, 2017, 03:07:45 PM
http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/cap-hull-fenders.html#aCMR940
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 11, 2017, 06:19:20 PM
Had a break as been very achey and tired after work.
Been off today and as it was warm I took the opportunity to work outside with the smelly stuff.
I started by levelling the bulwarks and filled in the incorrect main deck washports and repositioned the hole watsit for the tiemeups to where it should be further forwards.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-KMNQZMR/0/12a6e4d2/X2/IMG_1277-X2.jpg)

Back indoors after a good sanding and opened up the revised washports. The centre one may need extending forwards a bit yet but I'll wait for more photos
Also started attaching gunwale?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-hSpF4Ww/0/4299a203/XL/IMG_1279-XL.jpg)


Comparison
(http://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=1146500)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on May 11, 2017, 09:57:24 PM
One thing I have noticed is that rust looks better on navy blue, so if you are weathering, it will be an interesting look to create.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 12, 2017, 09:03:57 AM
One thing I have noticed is that rust looks better on navy blue, so if you are weathering, it will be an interesting look to create.
Interesting Ian but I doubt I'll go down that route having made so much effort to produce a quality build. I think getting weathering right is another skill that I can swerve  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 12, 2017, 06:12:18 PM
I came across a bag of bollards today @£3.95 for 6  :-))  by Robbe.
The one on the right is as they come, the one in the background is the piddly out of scale MMM offering and the one in position is cut down to almost match the actual item


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-qb9xtwR/0/af283dd1/XL/IMG_1282-XL.jpg)


A little bit more off the sides and some sanding it will be bob on
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-8fwnzgd/0/d898afb4/XL/IMG_1281-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: poll on May 12, 2017, 07:14:22 PM
  Hi Andy.
  Are  you going to Balne Moor on Sunday?.


   John
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 12, 2017, 07:15:48 PM
Not sure John but possible. Just to socialise if I do  :-))  no boat
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: poll on May 12, 2017, 07:24:34 PM
  Bring the Afon there will be a steering course.
   John
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 12, 2017, 09:51:22 PM
Some of the MMM fittings are very good with a lot of fettling.
These will look the part when satin lacquered and roped.
However the deck crane kit is another load of crap which is a shame, so I'm looking for an alternative ?
What's the best way to fix these in place?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-spHRh4L/0/abf25be7/X2/IMG_1284-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 13, 2017, 05:59:23 PM
Following on from my front bollards which now I have pictures prove to be ideal. I now have a rear bollard comparison  <*<  absolute crap!
Is this for real  {-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-r687h7H/0/e0be3d5a/M/IMG_1296-M.jpg)


The real deal
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-nwf9nN2/0/448728a1/M/IMG_1295-M.jpg)


Fortunately I have seen something that will do and will go back and grab them asap
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 13, 2017, 08:08:38 PM
Given that I'm generally pleased with my effort here I'm still left wondering is that really enough rope?
Personally I think it needs to be three times longer than supplied. Why would you have a coiled drum with nearly no rope on it? Is that just tight or what  :((
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-DCgfdFp/0/fd8575ff/X2/IMG_1323-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 13, 2017, 08:12:40 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-Lfz6k89/0/94dbd20e/XL/IMG_1302-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 13, 2017, 08:58:09 PM
Looking back at my MMM invoice it appears I paid nearly £170 for fittings which in hindsight was a big mistake.In future I would cherry pick what is actually worth it or appropriate for the model  :((
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 13, 2017, 09:55:38 PM
Today at Doncaster the component shop exchanged the two motors I bought prior to actually knowing what I was doing  {-)
I had bought 15 and a 30:1 ratio motors at £10 each and they swapped for a 500:1 which is also ideal for a winch and will do 30rpm  :-))  So I have a contingency for future
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on May 13, 2017, 10:42:09 PM
"Why would you have a coiled drum with nearly no rope on it? Is that just tight or what" :((

Ocean going tug hauling winches as designed only with sufficient drum size and hauling rope so the tug can stand off the larger vessel

When at sea, the vessel to be towed will throw a light heaving line to the tug, the tug then winds this heaving line over the winch jipsy drum until the large long poly tow rope is on board the tug.......this then is linked to the vessel winch poly rope. The tug can then feed off her own poly hauling rope until she is clear of the larger vessel under tow

In some cases, the main poly tow rope is transferred to the tugs hook, thus taking any mechanical load off the hydraulic winch system [although this is more common for additional tugs used as back stays]

The actual tow rope being used is 80% of the vessel being towed...

When the large vessel is alongside, the large long poly ropes then become the wharf mooring ropes and immediately placed under auto tension

This certainly was the case with 100,000 tonne ore carriers berthing and departing Kembla

Derek
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 13, 2017, 10:44:56 PM
Interesting  :-))  but I refer you to the photo of the actual vessel  %)
Thank you Derek


EDIT I have just bought 10 metres of BRAIDED as it should be 3mm rope £5.99  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on May 13, 2017, 11:03:48 PM
Yes I see the smaller circumference poly rope on the winch, this could be just a heaving/handling 'line' [rope], as ocean going tugs could also be used for riverine work where differing roping methods were employed

I have no real experience in tug towing operations, however was engaged in maintaining hydraulic systems on BHP Fleet Operations vessels in Kembla.......[this naturally included hydraulic anchor and mooring winch functions] hence my understanding of roping procedures for these vessels 

I am sure another member with far more knowledge with tug towing could offer additional comment here

Derek
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 14, 2017, 07:43:13 AM
Me neither but pictures speak louder than words  :-)
The smaller heaving rope is on top of a full drum of tow line. My MMM offering don't even have one and a half layers  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 14, 2017, 07:54:16 AM
If he wanted to get away with a short length of string in the kit he should have made the drum core twice the diameter so it at least appeared loaded  {:-{
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 14, 2017, 03:11:30 PM
Another noo toy  8)
http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/ce/en/product/821001/Proxxon-Micromot-TG-125E-Disc-Sander


(http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/medias/global/ce/8000_8999/8200/8210/8210/821001_RB_00_FB.EPS_400.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 14, 2017, 03:24:46 PM
So the front bollards are being mounted on 2 10mm square strips of spruce and the pins go right through into positioning indentations in the deck to help final assembly. They should look great in royal blue.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-6mhfVh8/0/36676581/L/IMG_1331-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-xnqrrwF/0/c69c5a0f/L/IMG_1333-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-GrpvShJ/0/13379d07/L/IMG_1332-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 14, 2017, 03:55:23 PM
And another noo toy  %%


https://www.manomano.co.uk/band-saw/record-power-bs9-9-bandsaw-3286292


(https://cdn.manomano.fr/record-power-bs9-9-bandsaw-L-363352-3376981_1.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on May 14, 2017, 04:09:56 PM
Now I like that  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 14, 2017, 04:12:45 PM
Me too I could not resist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIKtxaku0QM
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 14, 2017, 08:08:27 PM


I've turned her around now to bring the starboard side up to speed.
The bulwarks are nice and firm even before adding ribs.(thanks chipchase) :-))   The beauty of lining with styrene is it gives something to glue to with the styrene capping which is also very solid. Must be a right chore with P38 filler or balsa as some do


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-q36P5BS/0/8c25b2ac/XL/IMG_1334-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-ZkpKZMc/0/7236c549/XL/IMG_1335-XL.jpg)


I'm making the bow and stern gunwales from 2mm styrene sheet. All the ribs too  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-wrx88bm/0/766bb3d2/XL/IMG_1336-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 14, 2017, 08:28:20 PM
I'm not rushing here as I'm reliably informed that a tug of the same design works out of Liverpool and we are going there early June on holiday.
If I phone Smit in advance there's a very good chance they'll let me aboard and I'll be armed with camera AND tape measure  {-)
Thanks (Kevgarth)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build....Them deck house corners!
Post by: T33cno on May 15, 2017, 09:30:39 PM
Turned my attention back to the Deckhouse. My plan to do the front and sides in one piece became immediately obvious that it was not doable as the ply is not wide enough and it will only bend across its width. So I've attempted a joint in the centre rather than in three sections.
After sanding the formwork perfectly to ensure contact on all surfaces I steamed the ply where it was to be bent and held it in place while it dried off a bit. There is no way to clamp this in place so I had to use CA for quick dry and hold.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-qV9mqzS/0/c314e47b/X2/IMG_1339-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-8688fxC/0/681d2e9b/X2/IMG_1338-X2.jpg)


Excess trimmed off and sanded.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-gLCsmbk/0/30429985/X2/IMG_1340-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-pc6hxx3/0/6c126f05/X2/IMG_1341-X2.jpg)


Quite pleased and I believe quite rare on Portgarths but worth the effort.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-nFGF6jC/0/d8fcdfbe/X2/IMG_1342-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 15, 2017, 09:53:22 PM
Since receiving actual photos it is apparent that that front slope does not quite slope in one swoop but stops short of the front wall and levels out. I can rectify this with the addition of a triangular strip of wood across the front edge
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on May 16, 2017, 10:45:31 PM
That'll save a lot of bother.

The wheel house is turning into a nice piece of wood working. I like the curves.  :}
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 17, 2017, 10:30:57 PM
Thanks Ian


Awesome  :-))  now I need to convert another bedroom as toolroom
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-km4pQ4Z/0/7b3ea4d3/X2/IMG_1346-X2.jpg)


Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 17, 2017, 10:46:44 PM
 8)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-F5HqLtZ/0/54f92f5c/X2/IMG_1347-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on May 18, 2017, 09:20:58 PM
Disk sanders are so useful. I bought one ten years ago and despite sanding a knuckle soon after buying it, I have never looked back. In fact, I only recently changed the disk. I have a small pece of MDF that I place on the bed wen sanding small pieces so they don't get pulled down between the bed and the spinning disk to their destruction.

I reccomend you use a vacuum cleaner (Wickes sell a basic one that makes a good one) as an extractor and make sure to clean any wood dust out of it before sanding any metal as it can cause a fire, as testafied by Northbrook college (West Sussex) losing two extractor systems in as many years due to morons doing just this despite being told not to.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 18, 2017, 09:22:17 PM
I'm going to buy a Henry from Costco  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on May 18, 2017, 09:28:41 PM
Good idea.

My best friend designed a system of debris removal from his bench and workplace floor using the same hoover. He linked two openings,one on the floor in the base of the bench, and one at bench top level with ducting and then had a plug for the upper one. It saved disconnecting the hoover from a machine and prevented the ubiquitous damage that a flailing hose will cause  {:-{
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 19, 2017, 06:03:45 PM
More toys  8)  https://youtu.be/p9bscnD17Gg (https://youtu.be/p9bscnD17Gg)
http://www.chronos.ltd.uk/acatalog/copy_of_copy_of_Table_Top_Tools___Accessories.html (http://www.chronos.ltd.uk/acatalog/copy_of_copy_of_Table_Top_Tools___Accessories.html)


Bought the pen sander too.
Chronos are much cheaper than the other sellers  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on May 19, 2017, 07:10:58 PM
Top tools peroxxon I've got one of these.


http://www.axminster.co.uk/proxxon-mf-70-milling-machine-371104?gclid=CjwKCAjwr_rIBRBJEiwA6C-ex4h1kUtnb9dpsxRythDJliDfGxMBp8-TRVssTBjWlM-Xv0nS-50SQxoC-lcQAvD_BwE
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on May 19, 2017, 07:35:23 PM
More toys  8)  https://youtu.be/p9bscnD17Gg (https://youtu.be/p9bscnD17Gg)
http://www.chronos.ltd.uk/acatalog/copy_of_copy_of_Table_Top_Tools___Accessories.html (http://www.chronos.ltd.uk/acatalog/copy_of_copy_of_Table_Top_Tools___Accessories.html)


Bought the pen sander too.
Chronos are much cheaper than the other sellers  :-))

That table saw is light yeards ahead of some you can get for full size carpentary! Well worth the money, and looked after, it will outlive it's owner.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 19, 2017, 09:55:20 PM
I think I wish I'd invested in Proxxon exclusively but for now I'll see how everything works out as I build yet another craft room. My cheapo silverline pillar drill does the job just fine but a proxxon is so much more refined.
I doubt I would find use for the milling machine Tim but its a lovely and the price isn't an issue. :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 19, 2017, 10:13:47 PM
That table saw is light yeards ahead of some you can get for full size carpentary! Well worth the money, and looked after, it will outlive it's owner.
As I'm near 60 I tend to agree  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 19, 2017, 10:24:55 PM
I could do with an extraction system with at least 6 branches . I might have to make a manifold.
We already know the plumbing waste pipe through worktop trick don't we children  ok2
I feel a trip to B&Q coming on soon  :}
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 19, 2017, 10:36:57 PM
When this bag is full it pays for a Maltby hull which thus far seems very intangible
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-pKq56jH/0/a9892fa5/XL/IMG_1357-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 19, 2017, 10:40:32 PM
A bit slow lately as life gets in the way so just another angle shot to bring the topic back in line.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-kjDFQZz/0/00a428a2/X3/IMG_1353-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on May 20, 2017, 12:01:48 PM
I do like the angles on the bridge Andy.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 20, 2017, 12:51:30 PM
Thanks Ian. That is the deck house, I've yet to start the wheelhouse  :-))


Just bought this Bosch rather than a proxxon vac. £162 delivered from Czech republic

Bosch GAS 20 L SFC
(https://cdn.pji.nu/product/standard/800/2891269.jpg)


(https://i.alza.cz/ImgW.ashx?fd=FotoAddOrig&cd=BOC162b-02&i=1.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 20, 2017, 05:24:31 PM
£132 delivered as opposed to Uk price over £170
https://www.reichelt.com/gb/en/Power-Tools/PROXXON-28128/3/index.html?ACTION=3&LA=517&ARTICLE=30171&GROUPID=575&trstct=lsbght_sldr::30172
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on May 20, 2017, 10:52:37 PM
 :-))
Got one 😀
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 21, 2017, 07:42:56 AM
I should have got the vice MS 4 at the same time Doh!
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 22, 2017, 09:09:36 PM
Very busy Sunday. Nearly there
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-4mxss57/2/de561499/M/IMG_1368-M.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on May 22, 2017, 09:23:57 PM
 :-))
Looking good am a bit green.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on May 23, 2017, 06:25:42 AM
That's one tidy workshop O0 this is my one :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 23, 2017, 06:49:30 AM
Mine isn't finished  {-) lots more kit coming  :-)
Nice table saw  ok2
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 23, 2017, 06:55:15 AM
Everyone will ask what hull is that ?  O0
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on May 23, 2017, 07:09:37 AM
Its a Dumas kit Mr Darby tug.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 24, 2017, 11:55:08 AM
Nice and I see no longer available. At 48" its not one for me but look forwards to seeing yours built  :-))


Timbo!  The seller added a vice for me after I emailed them so saved the postage.
I bought this too as a better option
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351298016560?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 24, 2017, 08:09:49 PM
Had a funeral this morning but spent the rest of today repainting and replacing shelving. No power tools arrived  :((
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-PDdJhNq/0/b9abd7ba/XL/IMG_1377-XL.jpg)


However the tool room means more room after a reorganisation in the build room  :}  more to do but it'll be ready to get stuck in after the holidays
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-wnQNQg8/0/ab2d7cdd/XL/IMG_1380-XL.jpg)



Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Kevgarth on May 24, 2017, 10:58:19 PM
WOW whats your miss's think about you having a workshop in the house Andy??? Or have you got to wipe your feet when you go out the door onto the landing? I see you got a plan on the wall have you got in contact with Damen yet so you can swap you decor in your new workshop as you'll find it more advantageous to your build !!!


Kevin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 25, 2017, 06:54:33 AM
She's not left out  :-))
No not been in touch yet too busy
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-MPqsDrv/0/a15d6834/XL/IMG_1382-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: BFSMP on May 25, 2017, 07:09:34 PM

could I ask what the yellow piece of equipment is in the first photo on the right hand side of your workshop. looks interesting.


Jim.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 25, 2017, 07:10:11 PM
Happy days, nearly everything arrived including the Vac from Czech republic at great savings. I turned tomorrows overtime down as its going to be cracking the flags here. May even get some modelling done
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-W9Ht7Mn/0/81e66dbf/X2/IMG_1389-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 25, 2017, 07:11:36 PM
could I ask what the yellow piece of equipment is in the first photo on the right hand side of your workshop. looks interesting.


Jim.


Yes Jim it is a swivel vice made by Stanley (sub £20) but I just bought a rather dearer proxxon that is better quality
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 25, 2017, 07:12:47 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stanley-STA183069-Multi-Angle-Hobby-Vice-Clamp-Swivel-Portable-1-83-069-New/172325090769?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44293%26meid%3Da23d43e92f024f6e8e83eb8e693b16e0%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D192157502303 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stanley-STA183069-Multi-Angle-Hobby-Vice-Clamp-Swivel-Portable-1-83-069-New/172325090769?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44293%26meid%3Da23d43e92f024f6e8e83eb8e693b16e0%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D192157502303)




This has better jaws
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Proxxon-FMZ-Precision-Vice-702052-SPECIAL-OFFER-Ref-28608-/331657525717?hash=item4d385439d5
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: counterman on May 25, 2017, 09:42:48 PM
Great build there I am to building the portgarth here in Ontario Canada.
been working on it for the last six years.
You have inspired me to finally get it done.
wiling try to send some pics after I figure out how.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 25, 2017, 09:43:44 PM
Great :-))  and thanks
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on May 25, 2017, 09:44:13 PM
I am pretty sure our mate Jim was eluding to this yellow device which I assumed was some sort of vertical shaft rotary sanding device with a fixed table, however had not seen :o such a device on the market

Derek
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 25, 2017, 09:45:04 PM
That is orange  {-)
However just in case
It is a bobbin sander branded triton and cheapest at screwfix
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 25, 2017, 09:51:48 PM
Great build there I am to building the portgarth here in Ontario Canada.
been working on it for the last six years.
You have inspired me to finally get it done.
wiling try to send some pics after I figure out how.
If that proves to be a struggle you can send them to watersa@ntlworld.com and I'll host and post them on your behalf  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 26, 2017, 09:20:24 AM
Good morning. Here I have some very nice pictures sent by our new member Don  :-))   Thank you very much for sharing  :-)
I see you did all the curves  8)   I'd very much like to know how you did those deckhouse side windows ?


and errrrrr the wheelhouse window frames  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/MMM-Portgarth-by-Don-Leggett/i-Db8BtBX/1/f86e84b8/X3/image3-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/MMM-Portgarth-by-Don-Leggett/i-g6GWzpV/1/50d281e2/X3/image2-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/MMM-Portgarth-by-Don-Leggett/i-WpTswZf/1/b1cf6788/X3/image1-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/MMM-Portgarth-by-Don-Leggett/i-2WNJqGF/1/78545947/X3/image5-X3.jpg)

I love that stand too!  8)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/MMM-Portgarth-by-Don-Leggett/i-PFGCmSn/1/55339553/X3/image7-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/MMM-Portgarth-by-Don-Leggett/i-ZjTtLkJ/1/ff00bc6d/X3/Image%2026-05-2017%20at%2009.12-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/MMM-Portgarth-by-Don-Leggett/i-rDFpd5S/1/8a67515f/X3/image4-X3.jpg)




Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: counterman on May 26, 2017, 11:26:25 AM
Good morning well morning over here.
The window frames are all made out of brass strip bent the right shape
Then soulderd the ends.
Glued them in with thick cyanoacrylate then sanded all together with disk sander
To about 1/16 pertrusion.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 26, 2017, 11:39:05 AM
Thanks that is very useful  :-))

Next I'm on with remodelling the stern AGAIN.
This is how MMM produced it for many years and it is completely wrong just like the concave bow.
So this which drops rather than rises as it ought to is getting a makeover.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-5MSqfkR/0/a94e8593/X2/IMG_1395-X2.jpg)


Actual (credit to Kevgarth for the pictures)(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-ZWQmCcH/0/61af4523/XL/IMG_1305-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-P4Wkkvd/0/2b736f50/XL/IMG_1297-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 26, 2017, 01:23:30 PM




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-PWfW6z3/0/46dcc26a/X2/IMG_1397-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-9HWc8dF/0/1099eb86/X2/IMG_1399-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-6sBgpX5/0/d7061f71/X2/IMG_1398-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 26, 2017, 03:08:42 PM
As yet undecided but I feel I must completely remove the rubbing strakes (and fit some ] section) as moulded as they are neither use nor ornament in the size they are for attaching rubber of an appropriate scale.


Meanwhile the most immediate plan is to open the rest of the wash ports and fit the rest of the gunnels
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Mark T on May 26, 2017, 04:52:41 PM
Hi mate lovely build there - any chance of a linky to where you got that Bosch extractor - ta  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 26, 2017, 04:57:19 PM
Hi mate lovely build there - any chance of a linky to where you got that Bosch extractor - ta  :-))
Thank you Mark and Likewise your Fairmount  :-))


Its got even cheaper  :((
https://www.alza.co.uk/bosch-gas-20-l-sfc-d4737572.htm?kampan=adeu_uk-pla-cpa_produkty_c_9046326_BOC162b&gclid=CjwKEAjwpJ_JBRC3tYai4Ky09zQSJAC5r7ruHkk3bhFNZKL3G7mhSxqoggKty3hPxxkAnkbpepEejxoCI3fw_wcB
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Mark T on May 26, 2017, 05:00:04 PM
Good man - I've searched every where and that is a cracking deal on the price.  My next build will be starting soon (hopefully) and theres a lot of sanding involved so this will keep my wife very very happy
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 26, 2017, 07:01:40 PM
I'm glad I went the extra yard today and the hull below plimsol line will only need a recover of lacquer
Transforms the stern to a close likeness from a don't really care it'll do  >:-o 

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-9qJr67B/0/dfc26683/X2/IMG_1405-X2.jpg)(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-5MSqfkR/0/a94e8593/X2/IMG_1395-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 26, 2017, 09:55:23 PM
Going well today. However the asymmetry again rears its ugly head around the stern. It's as though the whole starboard side is lagging behind port by as much as 5mm which plays havoc with bulwarks n gunnels
 All one can do is try disguise it or build your own plug (I'm thinking about it)
It's a shame to work so hard when the product undermines your efforts.


I'll avoid the birdseye view  <*<
Best effort


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-xCL4XZD/0/1e8d093b/X2/IMG_1407-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-rWRLrLB/0/00152ace/X2/IMG_1408-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: counterman on May 26, 2017, 10:15:07 PM
Hi Andy do you have to worry about water getting in through the access covers on the deck I'm worried about my electronics underneath.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 26, 2017, 10:19:18 PM
Not if you position them so any leaks or drips are not directly onto something delicate.
My main hatch will have a gasket and be screwed down. The rear hatches will just be vaseline and screws.
On a clam day I don't think water is an issue but when choppy it can be different but I think mine can take a fair bit of bilge before it'll sink  O0
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Kevgarth on May 26, 2017, 10:34:09 PM
That looks a lot better Andy it's a great pity you had to do this in the first place.
When you off to Liverpool?


Regards
Kevin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 26, 2017, 10:36:17 PM
Next Thursday for 12 days
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on May 27, 2017, 01:04:08 AM
Going well today. However the asymmetry again rears its ugly head around the stern. It's as though the whole starboard side is lagging behind port by as much as 5mm which plays havoc with bulwarks n gunnels
 All one can do is try disguise it or build your own plug (I'm thinking about it)
It's a shame to work so hard when the product undermines your efforts.







I'll avoid the birdseye view  <*< 



Best effort



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-xCL4XZD/0/1e8d093b/X2/IMG_1407-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-rWRLrLB/0/00152ace/X2/IMG_1408-X2.jpg)


Welcome to the world of model boat building Andy
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 27, 2017, 08:15:21 AM
Next Thursday for 12 days


I'm not so far into the build yet that I can't change this to the Smit Belgie as Portgarths are common as muck  {-)


(http://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=2028307)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on May 27, 2017, 11:00:40 AM
Good idea, something different go for it.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 27, 2017, 12:56:45 PM
Nearly finished the gunnels, just the bow piece to make.
My next plan of attack is to mask the bulwarks and paint the decks. This will be red primer with matt lacquer.
As Im using 2mm styrene for the bulwark ribs I see little point trying to glue them where they meet the deck as it is doubtful they would stick securely anyway.
So in my mind its better to have the deck waterproof and finished now.


Any advice to the contrary??
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 27, 2017, 08:37:20 PM
This morning the mast was not even on my mind then this afternoon I noticed all the brass tubes I'd bought in a drawer. Most of it way oversize! Anyway one thing lead to another and it's underway
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-tgv6KsV/0/db07c805/X3/IMG_1411-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Fastfaz on May 27, 2017, 09:16:38 PM
   I really admire your tenacity (and build skills) with getting accuracy with your build however I have got to ask are you going to use the boat for towing? or will it just be a show model.
    Please don't be offended by my question but I have to ask this because the rivet counters and " that's not how it was built" show people were my reason for stopping building model boats.
      No offence meant!
             Regards, Pete.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 27, 2017, 09:22:11 PM
Yes it's a working boat hence the working winch and beefed up gog.


I see no reason to not strive for as close a resemblance as possible
It takes no longer to do it right than about right


I build for me no one else and no offence taken :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-LpMX82s/0/08fd39be/XL/IMG_1414-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build...... Styrene to GRP glue
Post by: T33cno on May 28, 2017, 11:25:08 PM
I have decide to grind off the strake mouldings completely as they are not fit for purpose to attach the rubber fenders and are too long too.
I have bought [ section styrene that will accommodate 8mm round neoprene cord.
My problem was finding a suitable strong adhesive and my google searching has lead me to this
https://www.deluxematerials.co.uk/gb/rc-modelling/107-fusion-5060243900166.html (https://www.deluxematerials.co.uk/gb/rc-modelling/107-fusion-5060243900166.html)


The fusion will also be used for the shelf like structures over the bow & stern fenders. I have 18mm neoprene for the fenders which is better than the 8mm gas pipe from MMM


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121060637076?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=420119478283&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121060637076?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=420119478283&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on May 29, 2017, 12:04:52 AM
Andy...on a different subject......you mentioned using a gasket for the main deck hatch, however only using petroleum jelly for the covers over the steering gear

The latter on a hot day will migrate away.......I know the yachters say it's fine....but considering the components that could be dampened, an alternate is available

Hylomar Universal Blue is an excellent gasket in a tube........$20.00 maybe....you could also use it for the main hatch......you won't regret it  :-))

Derek

PS some models also have a few small replaceable bags of Silica Gel installed in the hull.......[although primarily for locations with warmer temperatures with higher humidity]
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 29, 2017, 12:12:59 AM
Thank you Derek I will  :-))  the gasket on the main hatch is purely to bring the paxolin flush with the deck. In reality some water ingress is fine as nothing is placed where drips would be detrimental
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on May 29, 2017, 07:47:59 AM
Yes it's a working boat hence the working winch and beefed up gog.


I see no reason to not strive for as close a resemblance as possible
It takes no longer to do it right than about right


I build for me no one else and no offence taken :-))   

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-LpMX82s/0/08fd39be/XL/IMG_1414-XL.jpg)


O0 O0 O0 :-)) :-)) :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 29, 2017, 01:32:35 PM
I've made a start by filing off the starboard strakes. This leaves cavities that I have filled with 15 min resin. When hard and sanded it should leave a nice wide flat strip for the [ profile new strake runners. This also means I can fit the strakes to where they should actually start and end.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-XHv7pNh/0/96b1d02b/X3/IMG_1422-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-tbZqmDq/0/e66b85fb/X3/IMG_1423-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-m93rP2T/0/f56558a2/X3/IMG_1424-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on May 29, 2017, 10:09:39 PM

Ah !!  the fun part.  It's always nice to use filler and get a smooth surface.

One of my favourite parts.  It's looking better each time I see it.

ken
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Brian60 on May 30, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
With regards to Hylomar gasket sealant. Have any of you used it?

- have on many engines in the 70'a & 80's. I can tell you its a brilliant sealant, but it is not re-sealable! Once you remove your plate, engine cover or whatever, it will need to be scraped off and re applied, it only semi cures in an engine environment so making it relatively easy to remove compared to the silicone variety's.

In short I wouldn't want or advise to use as a hatch sealant, it will cause more trouble than it is worth.

What you could do is lay a bead of kitchen/bathroom silicone around your opening, apply some veg oil to you hatch cover or wrap in cling film. Then lightly lay into place just enough to squash the sealant. Leave it for a day to set. Then remove the hatch, leave another couple of days to fully cure and you have a good watertight gasket that you can fasten your hatch down to with a couple of screws/bolts or whatever you are using.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 30, 2017, 06:32:40 PM
Thanks Ken


Hi Brian
My Kort hatches will never be removed unless there is a mechanical failure so Silicone makes more sense than vaseline of Hylomar.
My main hatch will initially be a self adhesive gasket which is 2mm expanded foam used for ductwork supports. If it won't compress to .5mm I'll have to try another option  :-))




This will be the replacement strake carrier. 8mm neoprene cord is on the way but may need 9mm yet.
Fusion adhesive is on the way too.


Unfortunately a holiday is looming so I'm not going to get anything done  :((


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-n3HMF6N/0/98c49d3a/X2/IMG_1426-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on May 30, 2017, 06:46:07 PM
Has anyone counted the rivets  {-)
Picture by Kevgarth

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-xvs5hwC/0/607cc3c9/XL/IMG_1313-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on June 06, 2017, 12:55:37 PM
£132 delivered as opposed to Uk price over £170
https://www.reichelt.com/gb/en/Power-Tools/PROXXON-28128/3/index.html?ACTION=3&LA=517&ARTICLE=30171&GROUPID=575&trstct=lsbght_sldr::30172 (https://www.reichelt.com/gb/en/Power-Tools/PROXXON-28128/3/index.html?ACTION=3&LA=517&ARTICLE=30171&GROUPID=575&trstct=lsbght_sldr::30172)


@timbo


RS components have it sprayed in alternative livery but still the same drill at £325 with the VAT  >>:-(
Robbing gits


http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/miniature-power-drills/5062968/?searchTerm=pillar+drill&relevancy-data=636F3D3126696E3D4931384E4C446573635461786F6E6F6D794272616E645365617263685465726D325F74656D70266C753D656E266D6D3D6D617463687061727469616C6D617826706D3D5E5B5C707B4C7D5C707B4E647D3F5C707B5A737D2D2C2F255C2E5D2B2426706F3D31313326736E3D592673743D4B4559574F52445F4D554C54495F414C5048415F414E445F4D554C54495F414C5048415F4E554D455249432673633D592677633D4E4F4E45267573743D70696C6C6172206472696C6C267374613D70696C6C6172206472696C6C26
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on June 06, 2017, 01:27:45 PM
Pirates😲😯
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on June 06, 2017, 02:31:51 PM
On holiday and bored witless due to unseasonal weather.
Here's a picture of the 8mm nitrile rubber bead. I'm sure it would be a great fit when sikaflexed in place but I've ordered 9mm for delivery when I get home to compare them. Either is massively better than the rubber other suppliers provide


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-BKcMr4F/1/6e5b051d/X2/IMG_1437-X2.jpg)

( Admin edit )   :-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on June 06, 2017, 02:37:05 PM
Looks good, need some of that my self.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on June 09, 2017, 06:17:25 PM
On holiday and bored witless due to unseasonal weather.
Here's a picture of the 8mm nitrile rubber bead. I'm sure it would be a great fit when sikaflexed in place but I've ordered 9mm for delivery when I get home to compare them. Either is massively better than the rubber other suppliers provide


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-BKcMr4F/1/6e5b051d/X2/IMG_1437-X2.jpg)

( Admin edit )   :-)



Sorry but IMHO the edit is inappropriate as my reference is specifically about the fender supplied with the kit not a third party.


@timbo the 9mm was here when I got home and fits perfect :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on June 09, 2017, 08:49:27 PM
Question.


Are there other instances of censorship I'm my thread? I had no email notification of this so presumably none regarding earlier submissions


To reiterate the situation. It is not the material that is in question but the fact that it is TWICE the size of the strake moulding in the GRP so not fit for purpose unless you grind off those mouldings.
If you are going to do this then it follows that you may as well fit C section styrene to accept a more realistic/appropriate rubber.
So MMM need to revise the moulding plug as they should have done years ago to amend all the other unsatisfactory features or asymmetry etc


If I don't post my findings its not of use to potential builders.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: timbo on June 09, 2017, 10:23:19 PM
 :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on June 10, 2017, 10:01:10 AM
Has anyone counted the rivets  {-)
Picture by Kevgarth

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-xvs5hwC/0/607cc3c9/XL/IMG_1313-XL.jpg)


I forget how many i fitted to my Maltby Andy but it took quite a while LOL
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on June 10, 2017, 10:35:27 AM
Coincidentaly I've just been looking at her  :-))  How do you do that Brian, is it drops of glue?
Still waiting for my Maltby hull, last contact beginning of May  :o
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on June 10, 2017, 11:14:01 AM
I used dressmakers pins Andy ( without the wife knowing of course  {-) ) I cut strips of plastic 1mm x 5mm wide drilled small holes then a drop of super glue on the pin before  pushing  through plastic. after I cut the excess off i dressed the underside on my belt sander, wet first before sanding  as pins get hot and melt plastic, as i said it took quite a while.


Brian
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on June 10, 2017, 11:29:44 AM
WoW  {-)  This is why yours looks the best simply the best  8)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on June 10, 2017, 11:50:37 AM
WoW  {-)  This is why yours looks the best simply the best  8)


LOL cheers Andy
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on June 10, 2017, 01:12:56 PM
Another Question Brian.
When you've made up all your deck fittings what do you use to attach them to already painted finished surfaces?
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on June 10, 2017, 02:18:00 PM
Andy my fittings are fixed with stainless steel bolts if you look at the photo of the bow winch it has 24 nuts and bolts holding it down the stern winch is drilled and tapped into the gearbox and bolts fitted from under the deck the same as the bow winch bollard, my decks are 9mm ply covered with 2mm plastic card. the main the small bollards have 15mm brass pins fitted that go through the deck.all my fittings are brass and silver soldered, i have towed strait from the winches and they are still very secure :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on June 10, 2017, 02:36:07 PM
Very nice.
Unfortunately all my fittings are resin cast. With some parts I've used 6mm brass bolts from below up into the towing lead. The gog is a stainless steel U bolt chopped down and will be glued with epoxy into holes in the deck. The other parts will only serve as decoration.
My tow line will run from a tube in the deck just behind the winch and will run over the top of the drum so effectively only serves to apply downwards pressure. I thought I'd attach this with silicon as it has a large flat surface.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on June 10, 2017, 04:52:09 PM

My tow line will run from a tube in the deck just behind the winch
I have seen quite a few models that are used for towing with systems like yours they work very well :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on June 10, 2017, 04:56:15 PM
I have seen quite a few models that are used for towing with systems like yours they work very well :-))


recap  :-))  EDIT I should add that this system is not mine but gleaned from the knowledgeable collective of our forum members  8)  especially the Balne Moor crew  :-)

https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/videos/10155189509832593/ (https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/videos/10155189509832593/)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-rgNpFhc/0/4a751593/X2/IMG_1256-X2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-DHW3TPN/0/5e5c9748/XL/IMG_1203-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on June 10, 2017, 05:38:05 PM
Can anyone offer advice on how to make a nice tether? not sure of the correct term, for the gog to tow line rope.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on June 10, 2017, 06:50:24 PM
Can anyone offer advice on how to make a nice tether? not sure of the correct term, for the gog to tow line rope.
OK we can come back to this (lives in hope)


Recall I complained about the completely out of scale bollards ? This is my recent choice for the main deck/stern. Having received them I'm well please they are customisable to suite by cutting the tops off and adding a couple of brass rod pins.
Pictures will follow.
Cheap as chips  :-))
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MMB-LARGE-MOORING-BOLLARD-SET-FOR-MODEL-BOATS-4-PACK-/272691243650? (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MMB-LARGE-MOORING-BOLLARD-SET-FOR-MODEL-BOATS-4-PACK-/272691243650?)

Actual
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-nwf9nN2/0/448728a1/S/IMG_1295-S.jpg)
Poor
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-r687h7H/0/e0be3d5a/S/IMG_1296-S.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: chipchase on June 10, 2017, 07:32:33 PM
You will have to buy a lathe Andy and make your own :-)) 
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on June 10, 2017, 07:51:31 PM
Maybe one day  :-))
Meanwhile ...... obvious which is nearer
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-wbccs9K/0/122eead2/XL/IMG_1509-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: counterman on June 11, 2017, 05:04:34 AM
Excellent work there Andy.
Can you please tell me if your kort nozzles are square to the waterline or are they on a bit of a angle.
Mine the props want to rub so I'm trying to realign properly like yours.
This is my first build so I'm wanting to get it right.
Thanks. Don
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on June 11, 2017, 06:09:44 AM
That looks better,looking good :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on June 11, 2017, 08:11:07 AM
Excellent work there Andy.
Can you please tell me if your kort nozzles are square to the waterline or are they on a bit of a angle.
Mine the props want to rub so I'm trying to realign properly like yours.
This is my first build so I'm wanting to get it right.
Thanks. Don
Hi Don
Wether right or wrong I don't know but yes I made my Korts vertical at 90 degrees to the waterline. The Korts are 70mm and my props are 65/66mm
I made my stern tubes as shallow an angle as possible but the props will still be slightly angled inside the Korts
Another point is I used the 8mm super smooth shafts which are also 1" shorter than the standard ones which helps to bring my very big motors nearer midships.


There are pictures in the thread of how I achieved alignment


Edit
Shortcut to gallery one
https://techno.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on June 15, 2017, 07:06:59 PM
A little light relief from tuggy
 https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/videos/10155316493107593/
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: dave parker on August 05, 2017, 09:34:36 PM
Andy

I just felt I had to comment on the fact that in the few years I have been on this forum, this build is by far the best I have come across with regards to detail, accuracy, informity and most importantly inspiration  :-))

In the last 4 nights I have studied and re-read this build twice in case I missed anything

Please keep it up

Can I ask how you cut your timber for when building things like the deck house?

The cuts seem to be absolutely straight and accurate and I am curious of your technique

Thanks

Dave
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on August 05, 2017, 09:44:43 PM
Kind words Dave
Hopefully I'll get back on the job next month.
All my cutting up to now was with the scroll saw. With the deckhouse skin I fitted panels oversize and whittled back with utility knife then file or sanding block. No magic formula unfortunately just time and effort.
I did revisit her today to plan my next moves but there is lots of demand for my time lately.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-tc7WQc2/0/382931d8/XL/IMG_1892-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: dave parker on August 05, 2017, 10:09:46 PM
Definately worthy of the kind words though
so do you use a guide to get straight cuts or do you get close to the line then file /sand?
sorry for all the questions... I am just trying to collect as much useful experience and info
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on August 06, 2017, 07:25:53 AM
Up to now it was the latter but I have more power toys at my disposal yet to be used
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: dave parker on August 06, 2017, 09:22:04 AM
Yes I have seen your new additions...am very jealous.
I will start with the hand sanding for a while
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 04, 2017, 09:13:37 PM
I have some spare time for 3 weeks so I've restarted today and it's difficult deciding which direction to work but I felt like woodwork so I'm continuing the Deck house.
Front wrap finished.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-dJJ5mcP/0/2043c210/X2/IMG_2181-X2.jpg)


Roof trimmed to final shape and beginning making panels one by one


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-PPjHC5m/0/f074769f/X2/IMG_2184-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-qMfWQmQ/0/6d333f75/X2/IMG_2183-X2.jpg)


Sailing DF65 at Askern tomorrow  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: missyd on September 05, 2017, 04:30:15 AM
Very nice woodwork. Looks very complicated with all the different shapes and angles.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 05, 2017, 05:49:21 PM
Thank you Danielle
I think the Deck house is probably the easy part  {-)  The Wheel house will be a real test.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-KHwkVbd/0/1a7e340b/X2/IMG_2194-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-KHg4fgx/0/9796fd9a/X2/IMG_2195-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-bZkWXRT/0/4e9e84c8/X2/IMG_2196-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-prdzHqt/0/f4b9ce12/X2/IMG_2200-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-scCw6Jh/0/b1e287a3/X2/IMG_2199-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on September 06, 2017, 09:59:31 AM
I really like the ladder and its fit into the superstructure, very neat Andy  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 06, 2017, 11:42:33 AM
Thanks
I had to grind a lot off the width and the MMM plans are wrong yet again. The foot of the stair should be well short of the deck edge but too late now  >:-o
It's correct to the plan but on the actual boat there is a lot more space at the stair bottom

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 06, 2017, 06:18:19 PM
I thought I may as well work on the wheelhouse concurrently. This is all virgin territory so I'm just following my nose.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-vzCKcQP/0/986fd684/X2/IMG_2202-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-dk9dz9c/0/cc100035/XL/IMG_2203-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-dbxdhZN/0/8dbe1cec/X2/IMG_2204-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-zLsHvbV/0/b5bf3041/X2/IMG_2205-X2.jpg)






Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 07, 2017, 04:58:41 PM
Disappointed  :((
Was going well until I realised that there is nowhere near enough angle front and rear
I think maybe I should have thrown the templates and the plan is no better
Dilemma is do I start again  {:-{
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-NDzDX7w/0/062f384a/X2/IMG_2214-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 07, 2017, 06:09:07 PM
You bet  :-))  better off guessing
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-JpBV94P/0/d24b388d/XL/IMG_2215-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on September 08, 2017, 09:29:15 AM
In for a penny in for a pound as they say.

A quick workbench tech question: What mounts in/on that steel ring set into your bench top Andy? Looking at the holes in it, do you remove equipment when model boating, or as the bench served many roles in it's lifetime???

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 08, 2017, 09:39:47 AM
Interesting question  {-)


This earlier picture illustrates what I think you are meaning?
An IKEA chopping board has many uses  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-tgv6KsV/0/db07c805/X2/IMG_1411-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on September 08, 2017, 09:44:32 AM
Is that a mast or some form of antennae!!!??
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 08, 2017, 10:22:49 AM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-nKWnxF5/0/18029e1b/L/IMG_1321-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 08, 2017, 04:00:03 PM
Better or what?
I've also fitted the first replacement rubbing strake receptacle using FUSION and it seems secure
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-7PSZF5F/0/9155119c/X2/IMG_2219-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-nqVhFLk/0/9acc118e/XL/IMG_2220-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on September 08, 2017, 04:26:17 PM
Neat job on both counts Andy. I wish warships had rubbing strakes so our portholes, torpedo net gear etc didn't suffer from the lakes edge  {:-{
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 08, 2017, 08:45:07 PM
Thanks Ian


This took all day but I've used Aliphatic resin this time for more strength. The roof is probably harder to do and I'm ignoring MMM completely, should have learned by now.
QUESTION? I need an adhesive to stick neoprene rubber to styrene ???????????


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-JjHN3gx/0/e2944fa3/X3/IMG_2222-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-f8pd9Hr/0/e82d7a73/X3/IMG_2223-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-pGrNvHH/0/45d70b62/X3/IMG_2224-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 08, 2017, 09:24:57 PM
To answer my own question I've opted for a try of Sikaflex 221 seeing as I had some left over from the motor and battery mounts


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-53JpKCn/0/f2f9b822/XL/IMG_2225-XL.jpg)


Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on September 09, 2017, 05:02:46 AM
Looking good Andy :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 09, 2017, 08:00:58 AM
Looking good Andy :-))


Thank you  :-)


I could do with an idiots guide of how to do the wheelhouse windows  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 09, 2017, 12:01:18 PM
I have used the piece of ply I cut out of the support shelf as a template for the roof and then chamfered it to suit.
I'm attempting to build this as two separate units only to be fixed together when inside is complete
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-MMQP9j8/0/6084b3a1/XL/IMG_2230-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-KM2PBxS/0/03894867/XL/IMG_2231-XL.jpg)


Meanwhile the second strake is fitted.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-mMVwWrh/0/6ea3e4ed/XL/IMG_2232-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 09, 2017, 04:38:34 PM
Having a good one today  :-))  Things that I dreaded are falling down like pins.
Growing confidence in this FUSION adhesive lead me to have a go at the ledge above the Bow bumper.
First made a cardboard template to then cut out of 2mm styrene. A couple of applications above and below and its SOLID  :-)


Still progressing the wheel house too.
Absolutely any tips on doing the windows will be very welcome


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-Nsfpg4d/0/6b108e54/X2/IMG_2237-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-QjvPtfm/0/b175c938/X3/IMG_2238-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 09, 2017, 06:53:36 PM
I need a smaller diameter bumper for the stern. Is this for real £10.75 for ONE meter  ;D http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Neoprene-Sponge-Foam-Black-Cord-Closed-Cell-Rubber-15-0mm-O-D-/253082901747?var=&hash=item0 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Neoprene-Sponge-Foam-Black-Cord-Closed-Cell-Rubber-15-0mm-O-D-/253082901747?var=&hash=item0)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 09, 2017, 08:24:07 PM

I need a smaller diameter bumper for the stern. Is this for real £10.75 for ONE meter  ;D  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Neoprene-Sponge-Foam-Black-Cord-Closed-Cell-Rubber-15-0mm-O-D-/253082901747?var=&hash=item0 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Neoprene-Sponge-Foam-Black-Cord-Closed-Cell-Rubber-15-0mm-O-D-/253082901747?var=&hash=item0)


For sale 650mm of the above £7  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 09, 2017, 09:18:38 PM
Had to stop work for Strictly  {-)


Two pieces to make & fit but all in all with the Bow etc a good days effort.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-6gBWhhs/0/0a17b97f/X2/IMG_2241-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-8P6RK2q/0/22084f15/X2/IMG_2242-X2.jpg)


Worked well. I can cut away all the shelf back to the alignment strips which will give great unobscured viewing from above or below


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-5WdBg3Z/0/a7853653/X2/IMG_2243-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 09, 2017, 09:35:43 PM
Am I doing enough pictures? more or fewer?
If anyone wants any particular views to aid their own build just say and if you can offer me any help please do  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: bfgstew on September 09, 2017, 09:49:55 PM
More the merrier Andy, an impressive build so far just hope mine turns out nearly as good as yours. Keep up the good work..... :-))


Stewart
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 09, 2017, 10:16:05 PM
Cheers Stewart  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 09, 2017, 10:38:42 PM
A little tip regarding this FUSION adhesive
I discovered that it also sticks to paint and can be very useful if applied carefully
In too much quantity it will take paint off  {-)
While using fusion it thickens progressively so you have to gauge what consistency you want and when.
For example if just filling cracks apply with a fine brush whilst still very fluid
For big grab jobs wait until it's a bit more gloopy
Sets in 15 to 20 mins
Looks expensive but it goes a long way
Deansmarine are the cheapest  :-))


Edit
So far I've only worked in mixes of 2.5ml which is plenty
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 10, 2017, 07:20:27 PM
This afternoon I ground off the MMM port side rubbing strakes and made good again with 15min epoxy. Once I get all the styrene attached to the outside of the hull I can start painting!!
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-nKFgBdt/0/cf87d8c9/XL/IMG_2252-XL.jpg)


Quite pleased with the wheelhouse
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-j56jppN/0/cac46f45/X2/IMG_2254-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-6mJssbM/0/80d5b17c/X2/IMG_2255-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-4nPNpSh/0/1a097c9c/X2/IMG_2256-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 12, 2017, 05:57:31 PM
Just the stern fender shelves left to do.


Some trial dry fitting and bonding.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-tZsdfTq/0/b0495e8d/X2/IMG_2263-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-6vcX6hT/0/cea85ebf/X2/IMG_2264-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-JpPHrV2/0/1e8d6014/X2/IMG_2265-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-gLpKvgw/0/c07a9c04/X2/IMG_2266-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-wnBqvNb/0/728f73ff/X2/IMG_2267-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-S8HHLfJ/0/3ab5bec8/X2/IMG_2268-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-fGD3PTw/0/3388c967/X2/IMG_2269-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: hama on September 12, 2017, 06:01:12 PM
It's a pleasure to follow this build, your attention to detail is amazing!
Hama
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on September 12, 2017, 06:21:40 PM
Looking brilliant  :-)) 
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on September 12, 2017, 08:00:53 PM
I like the fenders Andy, you have become almost obsessive with these but they look the business  :-))

Re windows, Rule one, do not use superglue to stick them in place because it fogs the 'glass' and its removal innevitably causes scratches, or the bloomin 'glass' to come adrift leaving you with a square one situation. Uhu like glues likewise risk stringiness on the 'glass' and some corrosion if the 'glass' is styrene based (unlikey but worth thinking about).

Aviation modellers have various canopy glues available from the likes of Revel or Airfix/Humbrol (I think) that do not fog or string and so are more useful.

'Glass' can be bought in sheets as acetate or similar from good model shops. You can use a variety of re-purposed materials including 1.CD cases, 2. blister packaging, 3. Christmas card/ gift presentation box lids, 4. Perspex offcuts, 5. Acetate sheet from stationers, 6. Pouring your own windows using acrylic resin onto a glass base having made your own walls.

The first and forth suggestions are thicker and need to be cut with care so as not to melt or splinter but would be less wibbly. The rest are to varying degrees less liable to corrosion from glues but are more flexible, and so unless cut accurately or fitted into frames* might bow and look squiffy.

Fitting them can be done as individual pieces cut exactly to shape and bonded in with suitable adhesive, they can be fitted inside the superstructure and glued to the inner face of the wall, they can be laminated between an inner and outer wall skins, they can be fitted behind a frame* set into each apeture once paintng has been done and then an inner frame pre painted can be glued in place.

I have read lots and used one or two techniques in non model boat projects before including the poured resin technique in which I created Tudor style diamond pane windows by puring resin over rabbit hutch mech set diagonally 'back in't day' at college.

As ever, I doff my cap to my fellow members who will doubtless have many more ideas and tips all of which makes this place a Gold mine for Model making.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: newdabbler on September 12, 2017, 08:30:09 PM
Enjoying your build. very informative so - regarding pictures the more the merrier.
Graham
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 13, 2017, 07:07:48 AM
Thank you all  :-))


Thank you Ian for that contribution  :-))
I was looking for an easy way  {-)  but I don't think thats going to happen unfortunately and there are so blummin many!


This was my first attempt earlier this week as advised by a club mate
This involved one strip of styrene joined at one side and another strip inside that with the joint at the opposite side. This looks ok but was incredibly fiddly given that the wheelhouse is built and not flat on a bench.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-4TBnQkC/0/cee86f4d/XL/IMG_2270-XL.jpg)


I'm going to try thicker styrene in just one layer next.


Today is masking and sanding (hull) ready for primer tomorrow hopefully, and if the foam for the stern fender arrives I will try get the shelves done.,
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugmad on September 13, 2017, 10:48:59 AM
When I made my 54" Hendon I used brass strip for thr window frames ,I found it easier to use than Styrene as it stays bent and doesn't try to spring out all over the place.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 13, 2017, 10:50:57 AM
Very nice  :-))
That's worth a try thanks
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 13, 2017, 02:19:52 PM
Sky cleared and Sunshine.
I've used plastic primer first the red oxide acrylic. Deck will be fine sanded and matt clear lacquer.
Outside hull will be grey primer before royal blue.
Lots of fine filling tomorrow before final primer.
Stern can wait and be masked around later.
So I should have a finished deck by Friday  :-))

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-fQWttwk/0/54aad445/X2/IMG_2273-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-qKt69hZ/0/86da85cf/X2/IMG_2274-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on September 13, 2017, 09:39:28 PM
The brass idea is great. If you can make formers the shape of the window apetures minus the thickness of the brass, you can form them round these and then slip them into the openings.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugmad on September 13, 2017, 10:25:55 PM
Yes that is exactly how I did it , as the Windows were quite small, it may be easier with bigger windows.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 14, 2017, 08:40:58 AM
For those other fellow Builders in case you haven't sussed? Easy access to all photographs via this link https://techno.smugmug.com (https://techno.smugmug.com)
So far we are on album 3 regarding the build but there are other portgarth pictures also. :-))


Thank you to those who provided real life pictures
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: bfgstew on September 14, 2017, 09:12:13 AM
Always nice when first coat of paint goes on, your hard work and attention to detail is paying off........


Stewart
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 14, 2017, 01:11:12 PM
Yes indeed Stewart  :-))
After lots of filling and sanding I'm at the final primer. Matt Lacquer tomorrow then mask up for Royal blue .
How lucky I am with the weather.
I'm really looking forwards to bolting those hatches down  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-592sXhC/0/e5af074d/X3/IMG_2280-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-wVrfrph/0/bb3a8d87/X3/image-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on September 14, 2017, 02:56:44 PM
Hi Andy looking good,as Brother George tugmad said it is easier with the brass frames than plastic ones.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build PORTGARTH Logos
Post by: T33cno on September 14, 2017, 04:59:03 PM
Thanks John I'll be giving it a go for sure :-))


Re  title PORTGARTH logos
I've just bought some bespoke pre spaced letter sets


4x @ 12mm high and 4x @ 9mm high plus 2x BRISTOL @ 9mm high. I've been invoiced £5.50 delivered.
If anyone likes them when I've tried them and lacquered over just let me know and I'll direct you.


I bought twice the required number to allow for cock ups  {-)


Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: MayJay on September 14, 2017, 05:10:03 PM
Hi.
I don't know how far you have proceeded with the Portgarth, I have only just found your review. I made this model about 4 years ago and was fortunate enough to go on-board twice and had a trip around Swansea Docks. She does not have a bow thruster but will spin in her own length if a mixer is used to link rudder with motors. I took a load of photos, there were not restrictions on where I could go. These enabled me to modify a lot of the supplied white metal parts to near scale and detail the wheelhouse. All lights were made working. I still have the photos but the model has been sold. Good luck and enjoy the model.

MayJay
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 14, 2017, 05:12:52 PM
Thank you
Yes we know it doesn't have a bow thruster but those who use their model to tow fit one anyway.
I have twin 3000rpm high torque motors and mixer steering  :-))


Any pictures most gratefully received  :-)) :-))


From the archives
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-2/i-c3sVZ8k/0/d474703c/X3/IMG_1192-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 15, 2017, 10:38:05 AM
Deck is finally waterproof  :-)
Some very picky imperfections that I can live with
So all remasking for royal blue next


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-h54KxJL/0/ee106fd7/X2/IMG_2282-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 15, 2017, 11:26:31 AM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-nxchwR2/0/74df3291/X3/IMG_2285-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: BFSMP on September 15, 2017, 01:01:47 PM

beautiful work and workmanship..........superb.


Jim.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 15, 2017, 02:54:31 PM
Thanks Jim  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-SJbdwp2/0/6fa5ed25/X2/IMG_2292-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugmad on September 15, 2017, 03:02:31 PM
Hi that is a very nice finish that you have there, but aren't you a little worried about ruining it when you fit the bulwark support knees all around?
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 15, 2017, 03:04:36 PM
The deck will be protected and the ribs will only be glued to the bulwarks  :-))


Styrene to styrene
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugmad on September 15, 2017, 03:13:04 PM
Oh very good thinking there.👍👍👍
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 15, 2017, 03:17:23 PM
Oh very good thinking there.👍👍👍


Only made possible due to the great advice by members provided early on :-))  Otherwise I'd have been following MMMs build guide of covering the bulwarks in car body filler  >:-o


I plan to use 1.5mm styrene which will give a big contact area and make each one precisely so it meets the deck perfectly.
When masked and painted no one would know its not glued
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build MMM crane kit revisited
Post by: T33cno on September 15, 2017, 04:21:02 PM
I originally dismissed the crane kit but in between painting I've had time to have another look.
First thing was to glue it up then grind off all the telescopic parts as The Portgarth crane is a fixed length.


I didn't really fancy fixing this to the deck without it being easily detachable and as supplied its a bit wobbly when mounted on the base without glue.


So I came up with this idea.
I had two pieces of brass tube that fit in one another so I fitted the larger dia in the base and the smaller on a reduced diameter stub on the crane. These now fit like a glove without any play but easy to remove or rotate.


So I will drill and tap the deck to take the base plate.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-PRfdbB8/1/1bdd13ed/XL/IMG_2293-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-62qtVQP/0/9c8b62a1/XL/IMG_2294-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-bh7nZRR/0/2bed5a78/XL/IMG_2295-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-QQ9sBWs/0/cc27bd32/XL/IMG_2296-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on September 15, 2017, 04:38:20 PM

Lovely job Andy.  I look forward to my daily fix.   :-))

ken

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 15, 2017, 08:31:01 PM
Thanks Ken
I think I should buy shares in Tamiya  %%


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-TTMgKvD/0/c6bf3202/X2/IMG_2299-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 16, 2017, 03:17:58 PM
Crane socket
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-b9p8dGN/0/ae822d49/XL/IMG_2306-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-6PzB9QS/0/03ea39a0/X2/IMG_2307-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-22mNpQd/0/4e49136b/X2/IMG_2305-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-sgh9nfv/0/a04b3914/X2/IMG_2301-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-KmLX4TW/0/9e51cfe0/X2/IMG_2303-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-ZTPLQK7/0/0cba8b47/X2/IMG_2302-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-V9wvnHc/0/de812865/X2/IMG_2304-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 16, 2017, 07:09:05 PM
I don't think I'll bother making the grooves in the rubber.
I've just fitted this for real towing tomorrow. I'll fit a temporary rear fender


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-k56xsMQ/0/a1d2879b/X2/IMG_2311-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-Kg8zqNf/0/d27fb503/X2/IMG_2312-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 16, 2017, 08:15:37 PM
I meant to say that I have foregone the satin lacquer as due to the low temperature the gloss dried to a satin finish  :-))
I have some minor paint run in two place below the rubbing strakes so easy to sand out later and one coat of lacquer over the whole hull below the strakes so easy to mask and soften the waterline too
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 17, 2017, 12:13:34 PM
https://www.facebook.com/Techno100/posts/10155607280272593
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on September 17, 2017, 04:05:28 PM
Really looking forward to seeing her finished  :-)) really nice work
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 17, 2017, 06:15:33 PM
Really looking forward to seeing her finished  :-)) really nice work


No one more than me thanks  {-)  but I also have a Smit Rotterdam to complete after this and before I start a Chipchase Maltby  :-))


Today at Balne moor was very productive  :-))  She sits in the water beautifully now I've added a big lump of lead near the stern. There isn't a huge amount of weight to add so I'm confident I can keep the twin 9AH batteries.
I've also pinned down a fault of my Spektrum DX6 shutting down without warning. It turned out to be a faulty Li battery that must have an internal connection fault as the voltage increases to over 20volts when in use. I identified this at home with the battery removed and a test meter. As it lies dormant the voltage gradually comes back down so it initially works again until under load. I now have the TX under duration test with another Li battery


Meanwhile I've now fitted a foam double sided tape ( non stick film left in place on face up) gasket for the main hatch, not to seal it but as a spacer to bring the hatch flush with the deck and it is spot on with the screws in  :-))


I've also taken some height off the main towing lead.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-JZ9qV57/0/22ea9c06/X2/IMG_2325-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-gB82CHZ/0/283ca3b2/X2/IMG_2326-X2.jpg)


For scale effect
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-x74fpQ2/0/1f287d44/X2/IMG_2323-X2.jpg)


Next job is to remove that temp rear fender and fit the shelf for the correct diameter neoprene fender. This will also disguise the asymmetry of the stern as the holes I drill for the fender cable ties dictate the curvature and then I pack the cavity behind with smaller foam.


Unfortunately my work rate will slow down again as I'm supposed to be doing jobs on the house and I'm now on my last week off before going back to work.  If I don't sort the house this week shell hang me by my rowlocks
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 17, 2017, 06:40:18 PM




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-BqxTcJW/1/2ea638f4/XL/DSC_0073-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-nKtFKBb/1/1eef246b/X2/DSC_0075-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.......rear fender shelf
Post by: T33cno on September 20, 2017, 05:02:04 PM


So first I made a cardboard template
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-rSWfvwb/0/b2674403/X2/IMG_2327-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-QHT8d72/0/594fb2a6/X2/IMG_2328-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-9D8hFm9/0/624076f8/X2/IMG_2329-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-PZNtGGQ/0/b19aac81/X2/IMG_2330-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-zZ2xGHC/0/f8feb07a/XL/IMG_2331-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-hxfd6JH/0/82dff79d/XL/IMG_2332-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-P2RJTwD/0/a76f0835/XL/IMG_2333-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-9skD8X8/0/09c5ce54/X2/IMG_2334-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-QkG4Qbj/0/a02f5275/X2/IMG_2339-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-rWJ967m/0/771b4a30/X2/IMG_2336-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-Pwbw34K/0/1976318e/X2/IMG_2349-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.....some fettling
Post by: T33cno on September 20, 2017, 05:07:37 PM
So now I've roped the front winch in a nice 8 strand cotton.  FYI my winches are fastened down with M3 socket screws. For this I drilled the deck 1mm and ran the m3 tap through. Nice and secure and easy to remove.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-6RrPB2z/0/39118cbb/X2/IMG_2347-X2.jpg)


Reverted back to plain stainless screws as the paint would not stay put.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-KN3d8vJ/0/1e664582/X2/IMG_2348-X2.jpg)


bow fender updated
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-xJ4836r/0/37adf669/X2/IMG_2337-X2.jpg)


Engine room hatch lid and access to receiver switch (Thank you Butts  :-)) )
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-H3x47Pp/0/072b58cf/XL/IMG_2346-XL.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-mhR5X9x/0/c6b9e2d6/S/IMG_1295-S.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tafelspitz on September 21, 2017, 06:14:29 AM
Some very nice and tidy work being done here  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 21, 2017, 07:54:16 PM
Some very nice and tidy work being done here  :-))
Thank you I enjoy your work too  :-))


I bought a selection of moulded doors from mustang mark eBay.
They are not specifically correct but a bit of remodelling gets them a little nearer the MARK no pun intended, for my Portgarth.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-CKb7Nmn/0/3c562127/X2/IMG_2357-X2.jpg)
I also replaced the cast door handle with brass for strength.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-B2rXxnC/0/352ac7ac/X2/IMG_2359-X2.jpg)


The door is painted in Rover Arum White and I'm happy that this will be my colour of choice for the superstructure
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-TxFwhz2/0/330351ca/X2/IMG_2358-X2.jpg)


Engine hatch now painted and fitted.
I have made it specifically more robust as it will be handled frequently


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-JbJG9Jg/0/d2f8b08b/X2/IMG_2356-X2.jpg)


Portgarth letterset is OK IMHO
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-gLbfpPP/0/c23696e9/X2/IMG_2355-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on September 21, 2017, 11:31:26 PM
The doors are really nice especially with the new handle.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tafelspitz on September 22, 2017, 06:00:48 AM
Is second that. Looks like you could right step through.


How did you do the lettering, if I may ask? I'm still gathering some options for my Imara.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 22, 2017, 08:25:10 AM
I ordered special requirements from this seller David, he will make to your sizes
https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/232477454515 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/232477454515)


My main ones are 12mm tall with minimum spacing
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 23, 2017, 03:55:13 PM
Windows. No good just looking at em! time to do it.


So I drilled out a fair bit of material with my step drill before turning to the Dremmel
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-TdQQpsz/0/21babee0/XL/3C8C9AFE-D439-4999-9DDC-F54A5F3DF24D-XL.jpg)


They'll be finished off with a round file when I make the frames
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-nZHLB6d/0/874aafdd/XL/62761416-2129-4C5B-93AB-6EEFAF687B74-XL.jpg)


I've removed more matter from the top shelf frame to improve visibility
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-QWcVDhd/0/5a4e2150/XL/image-XL.jpg)


Unfortunately my cheap copy dremmel drum sanding mandrels are tom tit. So no more until I get some genuine ones  :((
I've also soldered 4mm brass washers to the front mast legs. So no more levelling up.




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-7x7DNH5/0/cb447887/XL/91A9375F-64BF-4318-841A-0EEC2FC75DDB-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-LxhQxd4/0/d0b4f4fb/XL/46F882E8-2673-44F8-B151-58EA048FB70B-XL.jpg)


Made the front below deck access hatch (artistic licence  {-) )


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-XtbfhqM/0/c656ddce/XL/FC7148CB-C2D4-40F6-8D60-617FDBB10751-XL.jpg)


I'm going to York MBC open day tomorrow  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: bfgstew on September 23, 2017, 04:26:09 PM
Coming along nicely Andy, i do admire your work it is first class.


Stewart
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 23, 2017, 04:27:28 PM
Coming along nicely Andy, i do admire your work it is first class.


Stewart


Thanks Stewart, not bad for a beginner  :-)


Forgot. Rear fender fitted.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-xjhv54J/0/fd7b3e72/XL/IMG_2364-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 23, 2017, 05:33:28 PM
Two coats of primer here over sanding sealer. Final coats will definitely look like steel  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-CsNPm5m/1/3619758b/X2/image-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on September 23, 2017, 06:14:00 PM
Really taking shape Andy looking good  O0 .
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 23, 2017, 06:18:27 PM


Thanks John  :-))
I was just typing this as you posted. I just had a look back at page one of the thread. Little did I know what I was in for {-)

So I started in March and progress has been a rollercoaster and I've come to understand that this is normal for the average builder.
Sometimes we get loads done and put many hurdles behind us and then we hit the doldrums of life getting in the way or a technical obstacle requiring help.
This last three weeks has been great and I think I finally have a grip on practical completion this year but with many additions or tweaks to keep me going next year.
I'm not sure yet that I'll light her up as I still live with the fact she can never be perfect so I'm drawn to starting the Maltby next and giving it all 8)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on September 23, 2017, 06:23:47 PM
Some times problems, sometimes money, sometimes enthusiasm, sometimes a stupid mistake, they all add time to a project  O0 The window cutouts look very straight, I salute your accuracy. Regards the hatch, working vessels as well as military ones get changed and altered all the time, so a little artistic lisence isn't an evil.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 23, 2017, 06:24:42 PM
Some times problems, sometimes money, sometimes enthusiasm, sometimes a stupid mistake, they all add time to a project  O0 The window cutouts look very straight, I salute your accuracy. Regards the hatch, working vessels as well as military ones get changed and altered all the time, so a little artistic lisence isn't an evil.


 :-)) O0 Yes I made mistakes a plenty. When the enthusiasm is working there's just no stopping.


Re straight lines. I was on my knees with dremmel flexi drive and dust mask on.


I made the mistake of putting the wheel house roof on the wrong way around and I didn't notice until I came to put the mast on. A good job I wasn't gluing it on  %%  as it fits perfect either way  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 26, 2017, 10:26:19 PM
An hour per evening is my limit on work days now  :((


First brass window frame fitted.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-PDnjJ37/0/d7210e7e/X2/A96239AE-7487-416A-B446-75316E5F4EC0-X2.jpg)


The funnels didn't have enough height or taper at the base by the time I'd got them ground off so they were perpendicular.
So I've built them up with ply, shaped as necessary and resin coated before final sanding. The MMM supplied castings are tapered on four sides but the Portgarth is only tapered on two of those.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-vsggL9L/1/2097205d/X2/913BD97E-BD6F-4032-9B13-B8BA718D3680-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 27, 2017, 10:09:49 PM
Dremel sanding drums arrived so all the windows opened up for final finishing with files


Two down 27 to go  %%
Tomorrow is the Friday of my week. We call it fake Friday  {-) at our place
So I have All the real Friday on my own to build  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-zQRSdF4/0/1651973c/X2/4089DD44-10C0-40C9-8196-32C2AF19E41F-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Thornej on September 28, 2017, 02:08:34 PM
Hi Andy,


Greetings from downunder.


What fantastic work you are doing! It's great to see. Thank you for sharing.
Now not sure I'll take mine out of the shed!  :}


Cheers
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Thornej on September 28, 2017, 02:24:33 PM
Andy,
What size is your lettering?
Thanks
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 28, 2017, 06:08:52 PM
Andy,
What size is your lettering?
Thanks


Here Jeff  :-))
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,57583.msg617310.html#msg617310
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 28, 2017, 09:33:31 PM
Everywhere seems short if 1/8 brass strip  :((
Iíve 20 on order with SMC back order  :((
Only got 12Ē left so going to be stalled on windows
May have to start bulwark ribs over the weekend
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-fPKwCfB/0/0ff03bc4/X2/84C0A4B6-98D4-4440-9B22-149961076E3C-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 29, 2017, 08:19:28 PM
Photos of todays effort.
All deckhouse windows done and masking up so I could spray sanding sealer on the rest of the sides and still be able to glue doors in place later.
Battery box knocked up
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-JMtxZxc/0/6e4893d7/X2/B5947A3F-0A1B-45BC-BCE7-E2FD2375219B-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-z97m4v6/0/e8d82c7c/X2/B48DCDBB-C5DE-4967-BC0F-41E31C554D3B-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-n9QSRGh/0/2b8a6ae2/X2/3FCB1AD4-0DF1-490B-8435-D6759C1C1A49-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-mZHmFXj/0/5b7a362c/X2/25B3FD82-EEDD-4E42-BEDB-2C059761DFE6-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-xC5WV9C/0/70da59d3/X2/9B764878-8672-4D08-8ACA-A2D2BAA10406-X2.jpg)


Forward deck hatch nearly complete
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-fJwh6JD/1/eb7ffdbc/X2/image-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on September 29, 2017, 10:17:18 PM
The concept of using brass strip over plasticard is a great idea :-))....and produces an extremely tidy frame result

However just at a rough guess  %) ...you have about 72 window corner bends to produce

Considering they all have the same corner radius, this would nearly warrant producing a small jig...with one fixed circular ring and one circular ring at an adjustable distance away ;D

Derek

 
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 30, 2017, 06:59:24 AM
The radii of the smaller windows (wheelhouse roof) is smaller when Iíve finished them with a file and is equal to a pair of 6Ē pliers in my right hand and brass strip in my left  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 30, 2017, 12:20:14 PM
No need to drop onto ribs after all. Plenty to do on superstructure! I'm having a door day  O0 
Mark up and drill
Make and fit hinges
Sanding sealer
Rub down
Sanding sealer
Rub down
Primer
Fit dogs and porthole
Primer
Leave till tomorrow
Top coat Rover Arum White

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-WRhSjvg/0/cc6cd4e7/XL/8DFE5DDA-3E4B-4C83-885D-F09F34099D86-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-8GV9cLj/0/41c49843/X2/76364C0F-0B29-4F63-B92B-8EA9F7FF1D50-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-WPkFn7z/0/5178c3e3/X2/8C459C1A-B7B6-4A13-A117-F45EEB0D0038-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 30, 2017, 02:19:35 PM
 :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-LLJDRWG/0/8afb68fd/XL/63A4DA76-9736-4CE2-B38D-98406D7E32BC-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 30, 2017, 05:18:27 PM
Great progress today or so it feels
Just some very minor filling for perfection once the primer is hard.
Masking tape over all attachment points and Iím going to attach the forward deck hatch to the deckhouse so it lifts off together
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-MWPmBdq/0/723c2de5/X2/B6C8919F-22EF-4D55-9278-7E554ECE13FC-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build......... brass tube cutting
Post by: T33cno on September 30, 2017, 08:21:58 PM
I've been using brass tube for the hinges and to make sure they are all the same pin length I made the jig.
I picked up this tip on you tube to cut tube without crushing.
Just score heavily with a blade while rotating the brass then it will snap off clean with pliers placed near the score.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-j4vBLRX/0/d00d4462/X3/14847D7C-3753-4F4F-9D27-2D21E12539B0-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-WPkFn7z/0/5178c3e3/X2/8C459C1A-B7B6-4A13-A117-F45EEB0D0038-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: newdabbler on September 30, 2017, 08:43:49 PM
Terrific work Andy. Thank you once again for sharing your build with us. As a beginner with many questions, I am finding it so helpful and inspiring.
Graham
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 30, 2017, 08:47:45 PM
Terrific work Andy. Thank you once again for sharing your build with us. As a beginner with many questions, I am finding it so helpful and inspiring.
Graham


I only started this year Graham so very much a novice myself but I have worked with my hands all my life and served an engineering industry apprenticeship which stood me in good stead.
Unfortunately I've had to work many things out for myself here but the info I have received has been invaluable.
The more you do the easier it gets
 :-))


Feel free to ask questions in the thread, if I can't help someone else might
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on September 30, 2017, 10:53:10 PM
Getting a bit more adventurous Iíve started the RIB frame.
This is one of two main legs that everything emanates from.
A little oversized but wonít be noticeable with the smaller metals off it later the idea is that Iím aralditing two stub sleeves into the deck so the whole frame can be easily fitted and removed.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-bLtgg24/0/7a1fc4b5/X2/98C52CB3-CE6D-49D8-A960-B9A9B8F2872D-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 01, 2017, 02:34:43 PM
Itís times like this that I wish Iíd d used araldite rapid  {-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-4gFFrLb/0/7e6bacbc/X2/4A02EF64-C6D6-4762-91F6-DCD729BD5CF5-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 02, 2017, 09:27:17 PM
My little gem tonight that I thought of at work  O0
I wanted a secure fixing for the funnels but also wanted them wireable, my solution is a 6mmx25mm long brass bolt that I drilled down the middle to facilitate wiring and easy removal. This has been a good idea  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-STMLc3n/0/688d9e65/X2/67A5A2CD-1414-4FE1-9C5A-B2AF8A7CAFC8-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-wHWBcgm/0/b10cfb15/X2/3CB38AD9-DA76-4010-B05B-15E821F41CB4-X2.jpg)


My partially constructed RIB frame
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-QMGPNkp/0/ae9a4a0b/X2/image-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 02, 2017, 09:36:56 PM
Loose assembly for effect
Washers on frame legs are temporary
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-JQn8tj7/0/9f88c10b/X2/CE3CA379-468C-4FCA-9B47-9E198B1A301D-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on October 03, 2017, 09:03:21 PM
I am enjoying the metalwork Andy. The RIB frame is especially intricate.

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 03, 2017, 09:51:36 PM
Thanks Ian
Iím nearly there, just one more rail to fit and make a ladder.
Frame will have to be bonded to the legs as I cant risk soldering
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-xT4cbMv/0/011c447a/X2/image-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-W8cp8DQ/0/a786147f/X2/image-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 03, 2017, 10:49:24 PM
The handrails around the deck house are slowing my progress as Iím loath to use the MMM ones.
I canít top coat until the rails are fitted  :((
Best product I can find that I believe to be suitable is these
https://www.alwayshobbies.com/model-boats/model-boat-fittings/brass-grab-rail-stanchions-5mm?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional (https://www.alwayshobbies.com/model-boats/model-boat-fittings/brass-grab-rail-stanchions-5mm?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Transactional)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 04, 2017, 10:33:44 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-XxNJCxB/0/30be9cd0/XL/4BEFC423-F0BC-469F-B023-ED686DF53031-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-mMLBpCX/0/069b5db2/XL/13DECD7B-8C51-477C-A19E-A1FDDB2EB86C-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-VH3DZfF/0/25681d8f/X2/8F159A3D-910F-43BA-9630-77C8677D2DAF-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-fDZfFRH/0/4e4ebbb1/X2/FFC5025C-1ECF-48AC-B373-2AA39C91623F-X2.jpg)


Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on October 06, 2017, 06:14:54 AM
Just caught up with this after spending some time away, some lovely looking work there Andy very neat and tidy this is another fantastic build from you
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 06, 2017, 05:29:30 PM
Hi Paul its good to see you back. I hope you're going to build something soon  :-))


I've been very busy today but not much boat building. I've got the blue done, just the Arum white to finish off.
For the stub sleeves I've hand painted with Tamiya blue, quite a close match. Notice the RIB frame is well off centre true to the actual vessel unlike MMM plans
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-GDCSpdM/0/02de8505/XL/6FA68539-28CB-4A07-8278-CA3DEF1474E9-XL.jpg)


These are like Hen's teeth or rocking horse doodoo
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-BhQPZWK/0/6d77c4e1/XL/E699CA43-A0A1-4715-AC85-0DF08AFAC85F-XL.jpg)


The reason I've been busy is that in order for me to gain more space I've had to upgrade wife's half  {-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-wPzj6RV/0/92f55d72/XL/34E0C8D0-087A-416B-9A9B-2DEA73F6E594-XL.jpg)
Downturn at work means I have all next week free to build  8)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: bfgstew on October 06, 2017, 05:43:26 PM
Earning brownie points........good move....... :-))


Build is coming along nicely, class piece of brass work.
That's the bit I am dreading, that and all the stanchions!!!!!!


Stewart
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 06, 2017, 05:53:29 PM
Earning brownie points........good move....... :-))


Build is coming along nicely, class piece of brass work.
That's the bit I am dreading, that and all the stanchions!!!!!!


Stewart


I never imagined in a million years that I'd have made that. It was one of a few jobs that I figured would be a hurdle but I gave it a go and I'm best pleased how it turned out. building on that experience I will be making the mast ladder too as the white metal ones are absolutely crap  :(( 
BIG THANKS to Kevgarth for the photographs without them I'd be building rubbish  {-) 


THEY ARE ON PAGE 2 AND 3 here below. Much better than the very very poor pixelated images that MMM provide laminated. Why bother laminating LOW resolution images?

https://techno.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-xvs5hwC

The hot iron gives terrific temperature control up to 480C and I managed to solder next to other solders by being quick and using different sized resin multicores. Its just as well to have too much solder and file off to a satisfactory shape than strive to be too neat.


I have the bits to do the handrails around the deckhouse now so I hope to complete this very soon and glue all the hatches/doors in place.


Re stanchions
I plan to borrow a technique of using a spare piece of ply to copy the fixing points of the deck so I can build and paint them off ship and simply slot in place later
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 06, 2017, 07:04:46 PM
These are the one hole stanchions Iím using
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-tmjwQpG/0/35c2fa9a/XL/21F760B9-72FA-42F1-9685-22DAE68ED018-XL.jpg)


This is the almost finished heavily modified crane
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-Q6RSRLq/0/f838ec1a/X2/C4DBC8A2-CE64-4FEB-A243-C86D38E1B746-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on October 06, 2017, 07:50:05 PM
Thanks Andy,
Unfortunately for me I won't be starting any new builds anytime soon  <:( I've been working away in Tel-aviv commisioning the bearings on a coal fired power station on the mill side where they grind the coal to make it burn hotter, Anyway I've got to go back for another 3-4 weeks of work next week then I've got 3-4 weeks off before starting a contract on some ugly wind turbines off the coast of Newport Wales.

I have been thinking of buying a new kit so to have one ready when I get more time but I really don't know what to choose, I really like my Navy ships and I would like something along those lines but I'm not keen of starting something from scratch as my building skills are not upto that, but I would really like to build the New HMS Queen Elizibeth aircraft carrier  {:-{ either that or another Tug I do like tugs
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 06, 2017, 08:46:41 PM
Personally I think the more limited the skill base the bigger the scale required. I'd look at 1:24 1:16 1:12 options.
As soon as I experienced 1:32 I stopped building my Rotterdam 1:75 in favour of it.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build......craft room light tip
Post by: T33cno on October 06, 2017, 09:10:07 PM
This is only £20 at IKEA. I already had LED lamps in stock. It's a no brainer for daylight light!
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-g85x4P6/0/978c8baa/X2/A6A93470-D1D8-4699-960C-C4AEFEA9EA60-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-CwtzGk7/0/0ce8acd6/X2/0B7E9761-0E29-47D4-9735-865C635AA205-X2.jpg)


EDIT
These are the lamps I bought 6 months ago, great for 10 units @ £15.99
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-Pack-5W-GU10-LED-Cool-white-Replacement-for-Halogen-Bulb-Cool-White-5000K-/291757254117?hash=item43ee1665e5 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-Pack-5W-GU10-LED-Cool-white-Replacement-for-Halogen-Bulb-Cool-White-5000K-/291757254117?hash=item43ee1665e5)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on October 06, 2017, 09:47:56 PM
Personally I think the more limited the skill base the bigger the scale required. I'd look at 1:24 1:16 1:12 options.
As soon as I experienced 1:32 I stopped building my Rotterdam 1:75 in favour of it.

Yes quite agree as you know I have the 1:75 Rotterdam which I like but I have to say some of it is damn fiddly, Something 1:24 or 1:16 would be ideal but I do struggle to find anything in those sizes
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build......Funnel lighting
Post by: T33cno on October 07, 2017, 01:22:18 PM
My plan described earlier has worked :-))
First light enabled and it was easy to find the 4.5mm central hole first go with a 2mm bit.
I created a slot for the light itself.
Just a position lighting board to make and fit.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-4hZDCzK/0/49fd470f/XL/453E696E-6403-4E72-A582-722AB8C946F6-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-Lz68pG3/0/c15a8b45/XL/10FF78B3-339A-4340-84D3-E4A9BF2FFD5C-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-GB8vPG2/0/c3502e56/XL/319D57D2-E294-402C-8F79-8932DC3A6D39-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-83B97sH/0/1cf13c9b/XL/63EEEB6D-0F03-4A55-B15D-42D7B80E9B4A-XL.jpg)


EDIT
I'm also making a capstan as the MMM fitting is so small and out of scale that I've actually lost it anyway  {-)
I'm sure most of these supplied fittings are nearer 1:48 scale, especially the stairs up to the wheelhouse! far too narrow.
If I was to build another there are many things I would have done differently in hide sight.
Any of you that haven't finished the decks yet I STRONGLY advise that you move the whole deckhouse forwards 10mm so the stairs don't land right at the edge of the for deck. This is WRONG but to MMM supplied plan

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-3/i-KmLX4TW/0/9e51cfe0/X2/IMG_2303-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.......more storage
Post by: T33cno on October 07, 2017, 06:40:03 PM
Among many tasks today was fitting five more storage tubes. I leave them longer above deck now as they are good for standing sheets behind
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-bmtwbsh/0/00175439/X2/6E40E684-F995-4432-9E0F-FF099C16FD2F-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-wJgs7Jd/0/5c4e3169/X2/342BC985-F831-43EB-9F1A-8027B4DC177C-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 07, 2017, 08:55:52 PM
Going to sea tomorrow.
Assembled for effect end of day shots.
New capstan base in place, drum ordered.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-PC4hw9W/0/fcff17a0/X2/BE33DC61-BEEC-449F-9817-753EF6ED2B8D-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-xrb3z2w/0/8fcc356d/X2/01CA1D27-2805-492E-A749-70A262624F9B-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-ChtGwWt/0/9132111d/X2/901DF1BA-0EED-4263-9730-CCB39B432C2E-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 07, 2017, 09:15:16 PM
Last post today  {-)
My organised chaos  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-SDR7P99/0/e5292ce9/X2/6AB377D7-2539-4D1D-9DAE-DECFC5E06AAE-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Hande on October 08, 2017, 11:02:37 AM


Re stanchions
I plan to borrow a technique of using a spare piece of ply to copy the fixing points of the deck so I can build and paint them off ship and simply slot in place later


Excellent idea for a technique! I will reborrow it, too  8)  I've had nightmares about the soldering of all that brass wire.


Your build is a gold mine for hints and advice. I truly appreciate it.


Hande

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Hande on October 08, 2017, 11:07:48 AM
You call THAT chaos !?!
I must say, I like the detail on the desk  %)  glass of grape juice, surely?
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 08, 2017, 11:14:18 AM
Thanks Hande
A nice Lidl Chianti  :-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on October 08, 2017, 03:03:49 PM
What is the hull up on the shelf ? Looks nice
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 08, 2017, 03:11:49 PM
It's the hull originally made by Chipchase (Brian) and now sold by Tynemodelboats Svitzer Maltby


See this link :-))
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,36015.50.html (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,36015.50.html)


Brian is a God
(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=36015.0;attach=110801;image)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.....deckhouse grab rail rethink
Post by: T33cno on October 08, 2017, 07:28:18 PM
After being delayed here due to waiting for those 1 hole stanchions I have in the end decided that 1mm rod is too small to be realistic.
So having looked at Chipchase's work I concluded I'd try soldering my own supports to 1.6mm rod.
See I had numerous attempts at spacing  {-)  but decided on 30mm in the end.
So I drill 1.6mm holes for the start and finish and 1mm hole below the rail for smaller rod. Snipped off flush before soldering.
I'm using iron on 480 degrees for fast melting and fast flow solder from component shop.
I think the finished product will look much better.
Using 2mm brass to space off.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-xvB4D56/1/5425390d/X2/C8DC17EC-3B4E-4B42-A0C9-00B07D3E7060-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-f2Dsf57/0/1904f99b/X2/48DCC180-6AEA-417C-A2EB-89167E192FBF-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-MdJDcZB/0/44b89ca2/X2/C29A7157-A9A8-491A-BDB6-20D20C90C714-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 08, 2017, 09:23:50 PM
A bit of fettling to finish but that worked well I think
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-JgfrPnn/0/a9ffe09a/X2/BD58619A-B26E-42B1-8B67-EA0B057E4B1E-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Hande on October 08, 2017, 09:52:09 PM
I don't know what "fettling" means... It must mean something like "working skillfully"  :}
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 08, 2017, 10:01:25 PM
Fettling is correcting and tweaking until happy
By unsoldering two pins I could remove the rail for cleaning up and clean the woodwork down too
I should be priming tomorrow  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-MQ3WVkh/0/b08f399d/X2/D5773391-8080-4FAB-98D1-B12DD02BDAF1-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-Nf4nZdN/0/075b49ce/X2/3D5E1D3B-E966-4D7E-A9EB-E28200141076-X2.jpg)



Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: bfgstew on October 08, 2017, 10:55:40 PM
Fettling........the wonder of the English language......lol


Keep fettling away Andy, you are doing a grand job, learning a lot from you........ :-))


Stewart
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 08, 2017, 10:58:05 PM
Thanks Stewart
The word is actually derived from MMM in regard to the resin cast fittings
I think itís meant to be a minor operation  :-X
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 08, 2017, 11:02:03 PM
Clark of works has given it the thumbs up  :-))
 {-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-gGdsc3J/0/99b1bad7/X2/2AB5709B-CA3F-45B2-B035-101695881112-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: bfgstew on October 08, 2017, 11:04:34 PM
I understand you, I have been dissapointed with the quality of parts from them. Some do need far too much fettling for my liking.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 08, 2017, 11:05:58 PM
Heís not as enthusiastic about getting his 'bottom' down that hatch tho  ;D 
Itís made me realise that perhaps the handrail should have a break in it
{:-{  doh!
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-gX6pFzT/0/342ec522/X2/5C081461-F4D9-4D69-A33B-7CE356A02469-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 09, 2017, 11:02:55 AM
He says Iím not that fat! but heís a happy chapy when I fix the handrail  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-KzSrQvL/0/4586c1a0/XL/A9B6F30F-A2DD-43EB-A1C5-766773BF2DD5-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.... wall cradle for lifebelt
Post by: T33cno on October 09, 2017, 06:55:59 PM
Just a snippet as everything else is like paint drying  {-)


A detail for adjacent the lower deckhouse door.


Not factually correct but believable I think
Fitting after painting will just require 2x0.8mm holes and a drop of CA
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-vN3Z2CG/1/7860f475/XL/FD55B733-D497-4BD5-AA50-D4E24AE32B16-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-6m7PrdT/1/ae4d856f/XL/579EAC79-D9D9-4AEC-B9CA-2909209029B7-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-z3jBvMk/1/d0fc9cff/XL/1E05C899-98CE-4527-B45C-38D57E4C80A9-XL.jpg)


Cannot fit the other one as MMM build plan is wrong and at this stage there is not enough space there


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-8k86NKz/0/423d36c1/L/IMG_1309-L.jpg)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 10, 2017, 03:26:51 PM
One coat of Rover Arum white
Iím going to give it another coat after fitting the doors tomorrow
The rear wall has had two and looks very much better for it.
The handrail ends should really return to the wall but it would have been too difficult having already glued them in.
The forward hatch will be glued to the front wall.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-T8ncSPk/0/5dd3c3c8/X3/E3B26704-C930-4016-9E03-FD643A4F1A36-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 10, 2017, 05:58:39 PM
Doors fitted but I dropped a couple and have chipped paint  {:-{


Very pleased with the grab rail and overall appearance. Another coat tomorrow and then the roof deck to mask and paint.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-8nJQ42s/0/5f3e9dcc/X2/DD25FC51-32F0-4CA7-BB13-944252260CAA-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-hk9kcSC/0/588d626f/X2/BBD1B16E-D3A1-4A55-831A-49DB6DA28ADA-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build......capstan drum build
Post by: T33cno on October 10, 2017, 06:58:31 PM
Another snippet.
This is how I formed a new base for the capstan drum I've ordered.
Three Paxolin roundels from a 20mm thin wall hole saw. 6mm thick
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-6H7KpjR/0/ef25629d/L/80A05E61-8324-4421-A3E6-A1B466DF7528-L.jpg)


Bottom one countersunk for socket screw before CA joining up
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-r8qfTVR/0/7dfe0f7e/L/693AC56E-73F2-4D8B-A508-384C6333C35C-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-dmWsqLF/0/17c2fd7f/L/04BC469F-63D3-452C-BC05-8EAE632E4049-L.jpg)


Loosely in place awaiting drum. So far all my deck fixtures are easily removable
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-bpKcR4L/0/5a335d9a/L/DD25FC51-32F0-4CA7-BB13-944252260CAA-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tafelspitz on October 11, 2017, 07:05:33 AM
Nice, very nice indeed!  :-))
You should weather/darken the bright white rope on your windlass, though. It's way too shiny  :-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 11, 2017, 09:00:42 AM
Nice, very nice indeed!  :-))
You should weather/darken the bright white rope on your windlass, though. It's way too shiny  :-)
Thank you
Yes I see your point but I think it will get grubby by itself the more it goes to sea  :-))
Already the hull paintwork is showing signs of environmental effects
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Fastfaz on October 11, 2017, 02:20:12 PM
    Very nice detailed build but I worry about any damage that will inevitably occur if you decide to tow Featherstone at Balne. That was the reason that I stopped towing with my Foylegarth (I think its still on the website somewhere) bits kept getting knocked off and she was too nice a boat for that. Keep up the good work.
        Cheers, Pete. {:-{







Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 11, 2017, 02:36:59 PM
Thank you Pete but she tows fine as there is nothing at the back to knock off. The town line it restricted so it cannot go beyond the port starboard bulwarks by a tether off the GOG  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.... Nav lights
Post by: T33cno on October 11, 2017, 02:52:13 PM
I decided I did not like the option supplied nor the prospect of close soldering LED's
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-m8SrN9t/0/6bd292f4/L/B2243454-FBA4-4122-B276-91149481EA22-L.jpg)


So I replaced the brass fitting with a pre made fitting by aeronaut that uses 6volt grain of wheat same as my floods  :-))


I've fusion glued into the styrene mount I made instead.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-tPQxcWB/0/e135350d/L/650E290E-F0CB-434F-82C5-72283B3231A9-L.jpg)


Vent hatch covers made & fitted and grab handles too
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-KBfJL9c/0/bb14406b/L/image-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build....lower deck stairs
Post by: T33cno on October 11, 2017, 02:58:13 PM
I puzzled over how I would fit these post painting as I don't want to use glue.
I came up with this idea last night. I know the problems of soldering brass to white metal and wanted strength so I tried 1mm brass rod with 5 min epoxy .
This morning they were solid
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-XJ2Vt8Q/0/096c064b/XL/CFF35F4F-0C61-4E80-A73D-5093BD78EEAF-XL.jpg)


So all that is required after painting is 2 1mm holes to slide into.
Here a template for drilling.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-nwGpVqC/0/3d739922/XL/AF2A5004-32C6-419F-AE58-980C40B05637-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 11, 2017, 03:00:29 PM
Happy  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-V5JCkZs/0/c9771b8d/XL/A14DEED8-E5DA-4F6D-9CBA-4D0B3241D672-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Netleyned on October 11, 2017, 03:09:08 PM
Been following without getting involved.
Lovely build and some magic Ideas.
But! Gow lamps need replacing at some time.
Leds are for life if you don't fry em.


Balne Moor is on my Bucket list O0


Ned
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 11, 2017, 03:13:18 PM
Thank you Ned
Iím pretty confident that the GOW will be quite easy to replace if required. The wires slide through very easily.
To fit I just bob the light into the fitting and pull the slack of the wires through then hand paint whatís left showing (very little) The idea of the led stalks sticking down and having to solder them just didnít appeal
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 11, 2017, 03:23:14 PM
Thank you Pete but she tows fine as there is nothing at the back to knock off. The town line it restricted so it cannot go beyond the port starboard bulwarks by a tether off the GOG  :-))


Another bonus it that Iíve made all deck fittings easy to remove so no problem if anything ever looks to be at risk
Thanks again  :-)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build....lower deck stairs
Post by: T33cno on October 11, 2017, 04:21:17 PM
I puzzled over how I would fit these post painting as I don't want to use glue.
I came up with this idea last night. I know the problems of soldering brass to white metal and wanted strength so I tried 1mm brass rod with 5 min epoxy .
This morning they were solid
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-XJ2Vt8Q/0/096c064b/XL/CFF35F4F-0C61-4E80-A73D-5093BD78EEAF-XL.jpg)


So all that is required after painting is 2 1mm holes to slide into.
Here a template for drilling.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-nwGpVqC/0/3d739922/XL/AF2A5004-32C6-419F-AE58-980C40B05637-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-Gh2mz97/0/82d9ec06/XL/437A8351-AA8D-405A-BADB-22BF8C181ADB-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-tngJQq3/0/2d908a85/XL/8ADD17EA-6AE7-49EA-8B72-5B072823EC3C-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 11, 2017, 04:47:04 PM
Better get some handrails in their son!
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-zCLvhBD/0/87297456/X3/4893D984-63BF-46A1-B1ED-982F8B19C95D-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 11, 2017, 04:53:31 PM
Meeting ensues
Itís gonna be a bit tight here captn  %%
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-4/i-6JvBBF7/0/8a1c91e8/X3/91A1A7F9-A692-4751-B0EC-87EB508D2F09-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on October 11, 2017, 07:58:01 PM
 {-) {-) Andy you make me laugh with your little "scenes" you keep doing it's like we all waiting for the next episode lmao!!
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 11, 2017, 07:59:04 PM
{-) {-) Andy you make me laugh with your little "scenes" you keep doing it's like we all waiting for the next episode lmao!!
Believe me I'm chuckling too  {-)
Fortunately I got 3 from Leeds model shop @ £4.99 each  :-))  Extortionate on eBay
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on October 11, 2017, 10:18:24 PM
Your not wrong they are expensive on there!! are they the Preiser one's? they are nice though
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 11, 2017, 10:21:48 PM
Graupner
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on October 11, 2017, 10:42:07 PM
Ah that explains the price then, but top quality and worth paying for  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 12, 2017, 09:04:27 PM
Thereís always a feckin hair in the paint  >>:-( {-)  itíll do
Starting the roof colour tomorrow
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-cxCVz3s/0/f24d4366/X3/933DD87F-6B3F-4649-8505-1E936504E483-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 12, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
Thank you Ned
Iím pretty confident that the GOW will be quite easy to replace if required. The wires slide through very easily.
To fit I just bob the light into the fitting and pull the slack of the wires through then hand paint whatís left showing (very little) The idea of the led stalks sticking down and having to solder them just didnít appeal
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-xXDLcPr/0/2bde89dc/XL/F61C5EBB-4691-4068-8F8A-6D2EFBFF3684-XL.jpg)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Hande on October 14, 2017, 09:12:01 PM
I will have a similar pondering ahead of me. I have hesitated with lighting so far...
But looking at your portside light it simply looks so good! I'm certain to install lights, now.
I don't remember, what gow stands for, but if it is so bright in light, isn't it going to be very bright in dark? It may be a thing with the camera/photo that makes it seem brighter than in reality?


Otherwise - can you dim a gow with a resistor?


Hande
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 14, 2017, 09:29:49 PM
I will have a similar pondering ahead of me. I have hesitated with lighting so far...
But looking at your portside light it simply looks so good! I'm certain to install lights, now.
I don't remember, what gow stands for, but if it is so bright in light, isn't it going to be very bright in dark? It may be a thing with the camera/photo that makes it seem brighter than in reality?


Otherwise - can you dim a gow with a resistor?


Hande


GOW= grain of wheat  :-))
Mine are 6 volt. The brightness can be reduced by reducing the voltage.
I have a component shop voltage regulator for such a purpose. It maintains the selected output voltage regardless of the variance in the supply voltage. So I can run them off my 12 volt batteries that may start out at 14 volts and drop to 10 to less but maintain the output chosen
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 14, 2017, 09:33:47 PM

 :-)) 
£4.95  http://www.componentshop.co.uk/power-supplies.html
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-MLpfR3G/0/8e1ee967/X2/BE646211-E860-48E3-AD6D-DC3C555935C7-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-tXk7v7X/0/9f06aa24/X2/561096E1-3905-4A27-9A50-66DB19AC9719-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 18, 2017, 06:02:25 PM
As I recently converted my build stand into a transporter I spent this afternoon making a display/storage stand from a £19 piece of Oak board from B&Q
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-q7FGkRJ/0/c60de588/X2/1C76818C-FE3C-47B9-80A6-E14AB28361B5-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-qjd9bnW/0/594a07ac/X2/DD31F75E-CE04-49B7-B578-A8FC9B564E71-X2.jpg)


This will now fit on a IKEA Lack shelf. and gives me more worktop space
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-38N3zt7/0/8faf0066/X2/694405B4-F10F-466D-8A54-15A3A6F382B4-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 19, 2017, 04:35:21 PM
Not a day for paint spraying  :((  so after a big bout of tidying up I started making the mast ladder.
Two strips of 1/64 X 1/8 flat bar and 0.8mm rod
Tools
Slow drill
0.8mm bit
Centre punch
Scriber or knife
Wood for spacer
Pincers
To get to this stage has taken an hour
Ready for soldering
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-Db8jH7Z/0/43f35043/XL/D46EAE7C-42BE-4E2B-BAAD-38A98882EF25-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.........brass ladder construction
Post by: T33cno on October 19, 2017, 05:20:54 PM
So now Iíve soldered all the bottom row and turned the ladder over inserting all the rungs into the same drillingís in the worktop saver.
Then inserted my wooden spacer and tapped all the rungs down so I have parallel sides
Here ready for next row of solders
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-rPDb55h/0/c51a8481/X2/CE40E56B-AAC5-4389-AED1-D4FA41478703-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Hande on October 19, 2017, 06:03:10 PM
Not a day for paint spraying  :((  so after a big bout of tidying up I started making the mast ladder.
Two strips of 1/64 X 1/8 flat bar and 0.8mm rod
Tools
Slow drill
0.8mm bit
Centre punch
Scriber or knife
Wood for spacer
Pincers
To get to this stage has taken an hour
Ready for soldering


A _graphic_ report of a work stage  :} :-))
It seems your build advances like a dance!


The transporter makes me think of the task of transporting from several new view angles.


And the stand is a number in its own right. I haven't seen one with provisions for the shafts, if I got it right.  supporting the hull further aft than others that I've seen. Won't work for the Neddie ( the keel goes beyond kort funnels ) or I would need three U slits.


I'm enjoying your build a hundred  :}



Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 19, 2017, 06:20:28 PM
Thank you :-))
I think at times it helps to chop and change ones focus or direction and just do whatever keeps you motivated
No matter how we do it it all adds to the sum total of the work to do
I have some special oil for the Oak on order that will retain the natural finish
http://www.wood-finishes-direct.com/product/osmo-polyx-oil-raw-3044 (http://www.wood-finishes-direct.com/product/osmo-polyx-oil-raw-3044)


Also some self adhesive felt from Germany for the contact surfaces


Edit
Had I been aware of schottel drives at the outset I would not need any slots  {-)


However I am very pleased with the MMM oversized super smooth shafts  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 19, 2017, 08:31:49 PM
Heís happy
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-ZgqdHH4/0/e8836f9a/X2/FE6AE6C3-F194-425A-9E22-FC4833900428-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-p2fCZjt/0/fb086429/X2/06327042-6FC3-4F64-B68B-FDC8867D5991-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 20, 2017, 09:40:50 AM
Ground to a halt due to completely exhausting my stock of brass  {:-{
Lucky I'm going to Blackpool  %% I hope someone has some .

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-cpbqFPz/0/be443b29/X2/A56C4B27-DFF3-4586-ADCA-36440D910F41-X2.jpg)


A funny tale. I posted pics on Facebook and my cheeky daughter tagged the figure with my name and said what lovely overalls I have  {-)  Being a little bloke it seemed quite appropriate  %%
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-Km2cZGq/0/1813d6f2/XL/06327042-6FC3-4F64-B68B-FDC8867D5991-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tafelspitz on October 20, 2017, 10:47:38 AM
Very neat! I envy your minutely work.  O0
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build......Bulwark ribs
Post by: T33cno on October 20, 2017, 05:32:23 PM
Thank you Tafel  :-))
So on to another job.
I thought time to give the ribs a go.
On my PROXXON circular saw table  {-)  I cut some mahogany spacers to ensure the ribs are vertical etc.
Each rib carefully shaped for maximum possible contact area for glue.
Starting from the centre rear and alternating side to side.
No where near as difficult as I perceived  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-sKLRRdX/0/c8ca4dcd/XL/8362E0E3-1620-4E44-B304-CD2C3CB38B81-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-zvVP8Th/0/06499a6b/XL/CF73A056-9D49-4FAD-B16D-E669CC48DA56-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-HkdrWFT/0/00c919fc/XL/ABEAD2D5-941D-4AD9-BA12-182301FB56E2-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-PKxZ4wv/0/8c687014/XL/09A8893B-F52C-4FB0-966B-F05BF0CCF1EB-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-pJdbwdc/0/163075c8/XL/F34C04E5-B277-4130-8374-235C64AFC05A-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Hande on October 20, 2017, 05:56:07 PM
In anticipation of the paint job,
Do you brush or airbrush?


I have a terrible fear of brush-painting. I don't seem to get a smooth finish - no matter what  :((
I invested a lot in my airbrush skills (and equipment) - being inadequate to say the least - because of the promise of a smooth finish.


Hande
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 20, 2017, 06:06:42 PM
Rattle cans
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Hande on October 20, 2017, 06:49:49 PM
Oh yes - those...
I made my hobby shop keeper rich by painting the hull of my Neddie with Tamiya ones.
Lovely finish, I must say.

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on October 21, 2017, 09:14:42 AM

Andy,
Seeing as you are using a lot of brass at the moment I just come across this website and there prices seem pretty reasonable http://www.modellingtimbers.co.uk/34.html (http://www.modellingtimbers.co.uk/34.html) might come in useful to you  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 21, 2017, 11:33:49 AM
Useful yes thanks Paul . Seems they do brass strip in 200mm lengths. What a stupid length that is and very restrictive.
I think I should start a list for tomorrow at Blackpool  8)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build......more ribs
Post by: T33cno on October 21, 2017, 04:41:32 PM
Iím really enjoying this and how it suddenly transforms the look :-)
Iíve decided to go with hand painting after all(Hande :-)) ) It will save days if masking up and when done Iíll re lacquer over deck and bulwarks at once.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-cKCv6H6/0/1ea40b96/XL/EF57DC28-EA8A-4BEF-AE51-7BBBC699CD55-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.....even more ribs
Post by: T33cno on October 22, 2017, 07:38:24 PM
Over a quarter done now just the Samson posts to make & fit (not sure how yet)
Already moved to the bow centre and working back.
I have attempted to replicate the photographs donated by Kevin "Kevgarth" but it is realistically impossible due to the grp moulding being so wrong. However I'm happy that it is realistically believable
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-pRmgtwB/0/7f990454/X2/4E34F58B-2032-4D7D-8180-25110B990679-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 24, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
A bit of a slowdown this week as Iím working  :(( and fighting swollen glands too  :((
So a little update
The deckhouse caused delays in finishing due to cold weather and paint contamination due to the poor environment I have to work in
So the roof is now smooth and awaiting matt lacquer, top step edges yellowed ready.
When the roof deck is done I then need to mask it off and re finish the Arum white due to masking tape issues/impression. The lacquer does not seem to suffer from Tamiya infection  :-))  so it should be ok
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-nJdx25K/0/4bdbba75/X2/3F6700B6-DF11-48F5-BCB1-005E54E2098D-X2.jpg)


I have limited time in the evening so just batting away a rib at a time front and rear
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-wVGMrdf/0/4992ebea/X2/A3194802-2031-46D0-B1E9-DE8D587EA5D5-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-ndBbJ3F/0/240cd12d/X2/7D15029E-E440-4485-A884-00BA2CE83682-X2.jpg)


I found that MMM capstan drum,what a joke and even the one I made is still undersize so now on a final version.
Basically the top of the motor unit or bottom of the capstan drum should be level with the top of the bulwark which is logical and anything else just seems nonesense


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-L5nwrS4/0/508cb638/X2/94A5D12A-5326-406B-9B4D-6A43341852F5-X2.jpg)


Edit
The felt arrived yesterday from Germany
Postage is the killer so I ordered plenty in different widths and thickness for future
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-qhRfb2Z/0/0cf8aec9/XL/735114E5-4731-42EA-BEE2-09195333A8E2-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.....stanchions again.
Post by: T33cno on October 25, 2017, 07:30:12 PM
The example on the right is a Billings stanchion from Cornwall models @40p each
I have chosen these in preference to the horrible white metal ones and the mounting stabs are all a uniform size which makes it better for assembling off site on a spare piece of ply and subsequent fitting on decks
I can solder these to my hearts content with no fear of them dissolving.
I haven't actually counted how many required but I ordered 30 as ample
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-CPL95qt/0/5af77105/XL/72A8B078-7AC4-4E02-804A-C9EAD7C22709-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Brian60 on October 25, 2017, 07:44:10 PM
Coming along nicely. I know what you mean about the brass stanchions, I need around 300 for my current build, no way will my bank account stand for that kind of hit for bits of brass.

Is there anything on this page that would be of use?....

http://www.scalelink.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000002.pl?WD=railings&PN=Marine___Marin%2ehtml#aSLMF19

just scroll down for the different scales.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 25, 2017, 07:51:26 PM
Thanks Brian
To be honest the website is so awful it puts me right off looking. Is that the normal view?


40p was really cheap considering sellers on eBay aim for £15 for 10  >>:-(
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 27, 2017, 05:09:19 PM
I believe this to be a more appropriate size and Iíve assimilated the access cover .


Further to the billings stanchions. I just got two packets of 10 off eBay at £3.09 each delivered  O0
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-s8Wc22J/0/20f7bad6/XL/715F4662-5452-4961-9B43-190C5A1E4344-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-xH8fcRz/0/667648fb/XL/EE333A0D-F3D6-40C4-BF83-9FEA8635BC55-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-hZG82cZ/0/99386439/XL/55DFF826-AE3E-4555-8605-79FC477E9D19-XL.jpg)



Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on October 27, 2017, 06:22:50 PM
much better size, have to admit seeing that the other would have looked completely wrong, well done Andy it's coming along a treat!! When are you getting your lifeboat? hope it's not too soon you've still got to finish building your Rotterdam  O0
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 27, 2017, 07:33:43 PM

Thanks Paul.
Before Xmas  :-)) I don't envisage being more than 3 months as it's more a precision kit than a bundle of wood  {-) 



Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on October 27, 2017, 07:50:56 PM

Yes they are a fantastic kit I'm pretty envious  :-) something to look forward too in a few years, I've been thinking of buying a Linkspan p&o ferry kit again a lovely well put together kit and Dave who designed them is on here so I'm sure the advise would be handy  ;)


Looking forward to you finishing your Rotterdam though, If you don't finish it I might have to come rescue it  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 27, 2017, 07:58:03 PM
When I look back at the gallery and having endured so much a learned new things building this Portgarth I don't think she'll take so long to complete when I resume  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/i-pbbTVn8/0/09fd2cd5/X2/IMG_0584-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/i-HgRgSKb/0/c13c2aab/X2/IMG_0585-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/i-X5BRzjB/0/15a7cef6/X2/IMG_0730-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/i-N2HswjM/0/fcbeaf68/X2/IMG_0650-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Smitt-Rotterdam/i-M6Xgfh5/0/658788c2/X2/IMG_0711-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on October 27, 2017, 08:33:56 PM
Very nice it will be lovely once done, mind you so will your Portgarth
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 27, 2017, 08:37:38 PM
Thanks
Actually Iíve only spent about 10 weeks to get the Rotty where itís at compared to over 7 months on this
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on October 27, 2017, 08:43:06 PM
that's pretty good 10 weeks to that stage I recon another 8-10 weeks you'll have it finished at that rate
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 27, 2017, 09:40:00 PM
Yes about right. The plank on frame was the longest job.


BTW in preparation for the possibility of Porty having a heavy Bow I've bought a 5000Mah Lipo to test and if the electrics are happy I can fit four in place of the two 9Ah PB
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on October 27, 2017, 10:12:53 PM
Have to say I don't like lipo batteries I used 4s 5s & 6s packs for racing my RC 1/8th cars and I've had a few catch fire on me and one went up in my hand all where the hard cased ones which are supposed to be better, it's was probably because they was being banged around, crashed so got internally damaged but it's put me off them and as boats need weight and scale boats don't need speed I'm happy to stay as far from them as possible, how many hours would you get it you moved everything around and just used 1 x 12v 9ah battery?
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 27, 2017, 10:14:26 PM
Iím not concerned as my current draw will by 5amp max on each motor so no heat  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on October 27, 2017, 10:16:41 PM
Just watch for the packs puffing up if there is any sign of bulging throw them away  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 28, 2017, 08:30:50 PM
Steady progress. A few detail shots for you builders.
Bow so far

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-Gn3FGNx/0/d1b35e8d/X2/0272273D-6980-4FF3-A787-C91DE0B36EF4-X2.jpg)
Stern
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-54LDSFn/0/778a021e/X2/2FC0C3BB-90C9-4775-9F7A-5A5FEA9E0981-X2.jpg)
Third version of capstan with other deck fittings for effect
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-gLJsQcr/0/0746ea08/X2/DC39E65A-5B0A-4732-B5FA-7B26650BC395-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-mbZMGXv/0/5e197dd6/X2/78DF51CB-ABA5-4351-BD6A-018E7DCEBA5E-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-NVh5Dqb/0/18b2a81b/X2/F73AC5C4-0580-4AE4-85EA-C81652AE2F9D-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 29, 2017, 12:27:27 PM
Seems never ending but only 18 ribs to go on foredeck and Samsonís
I think nothing spoils a model as much as skimping on ribs so the effort is important to me
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-bnsFdB8/0/43a409c8/X3/570720E7-CC8E-42CF-8B82-CD081EB5EB41-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 29, 2017, 02:10:38 PM
Chief says Iíve got to stop dropping him on the laminate floor as the superglue is making his neck itch  :embarrassed:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-D5TD8P6/0/972ef2fa/X2/20C480F1-79E8-413B-910E-9D88CCCF3E70-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 29, 2017, 03:53:59 PM
Starboard complete  :-))  7 ribs to go
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-67P9TxC/0/cb25cfae/X3/424A75E6-A1FC-43A6-98C3-BA6FDB7CDB04-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 30, 2017, 06:21:08 PM
A shot of my final bow detail of cross braces. These reflect the fender shelves.
Free license for plausibility

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-ZHjSSZF/0/aacca25f/L/C1424711-4065-40AC-BC6D-F3A7A38F20F9-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-85QScSZ/0/c3b5bc60/L/72996376-94A2-486C-9CD7-8746D8C2CB05-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 30, 2017, 08:49:09 PM
This is my purchase for painting them. I will of course use more suitable brushes as needed
https://vod.ebay.co.uk/vod/FetchOrderDetails?itemid=370876070492&transid=975033631024&qu=1&ul_noapp=true
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 31, 2017, 07:03:38 AM
Work recommenced on the superstructure which needs quite a bit of attention due to Tamiya lurgy
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-pNbk94N/0/006e0b42/X2/C67F5755-D5CA-474F-B081-4395BEB6ACFE-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build......LiPo power questions
Post by: T33cno on October 31, 2017, 06:17:26 PM
My first LiPo arrived  :-))  I will order three more as they will be ideal for the Shannon me thinks.


BIG BIG question of LiPo experts! How do you know how much you can discharge these batteries. What do you do and how do you know when to stop . Is telemetry involved and if so how fanks  :kiss:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-wbhVK27/0/ce339c39/XL/846C2396-719C-4A38-8537-1294EACB9057-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.....LiPo learning continued
Post by: T33cno on October 31, 2017, 07:53:34 PM
Seems I can rig my ship with telemetry  :-))  Spectrum DX6 has telemetry which requires a module to report main battery voltage. A TM1100 looks favourite.
This is purely to avoid damaging the batteries by over discharge. However the battery does not state what the safe voltage level is.
Assuming the Spektrum defaults for LiPo cells are generic this will illuminate the answer to my question when set to 4S


Do I really need this or is it safe to just watch for a noticeable slow down? or is that already too late
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 31, 2017, 08:47:47 PM
Further digging reveals a better all in one option
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spektrum-AR6600T-6-Channel-Air-Integrated-Telemetry-Receiver-SPMAR6600T-/253149560617?_trksid=p2349526.m2548.l4275
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 31, 2017, 09:18:13 PM
Works great and easily fit four. Look at that  8) paxolin O0
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-c2GDd3k/0/ece6e254/X2/DCEA36F7-1846-4EFA-90C2-71E7CB242592-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: JimG on October 31, 2017, 09:30:37 PM
Normally the LiPo voltage protection is done by the esc. You need a LiPo compatable esc as this has the voltage detection built in and will stop power to the motor when it reaches the minimum.  If the esc is not set up for LiPos then you can buy a battery checker which plugs into the balance leads. You get one with Leds and a buzzer for the alarm to tell you to stop using the battery.
Jim
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on October 31, 2017, 09:34:04 PM
Thank you Jim but my ESC is an action electronics p94 mixer 6 to 24 volt rated that I donít intended to change
Iíve just ordered the telemetry enable receiver  :-))


Edit if your method cuts power to the motor then surely the boat will be adrift
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: JimG on November 01, 2017, 01:13:32 PM

Edit if your method cuts power to the motor then surely the boat will be adrift

Under power the voltage from the battery will drop below its resting voltage. Once the cut off works  and the battery is left for a couple of minutes it will partially recover enough voltage for the esc to work again. The boat can then be brought back under low power.

Jim
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 01, 2017, 01:53:02 PM
Ahh thanks that makes sense  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 01, 2017, 06:33:08 PM
I found this extremely well written guide with all you want to/need to know about LiPos
This also covers Low voltage cut out on some ESC's as Jim has kindly informed above  :-))


Safe discharge voltage is 3volts per cell BTW
https://rogershobbycenter.com/lipoguide/
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build......Spektrum telemetry
Post by: T33cno on November 02, 2017, 06:53:40 PM
I'm happy now. This receiver arrived very quickly from Leeds Model Shop. I bought the last one in stock  :-)
Transmitter now set for telemetry and 4s LiPo so 17 volt max 12 volt min with 60 second reports at 12 volts or less.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-57fZgGX/0/c892b12c/X3/75CF96DF-1209-4C56-92D2-356381471CCA-X3.jpg)
Now bound and tested connected to a 7.4 pack which immediately voice alerts 7.4  :-))
Great piece of kit with a bind button to save messing with plugs and a remote extension receiver too .
This also monitors receiver voltage as it is and can measure RPM plus temperature with extra leads
Since buying two batteries I've found much cheaper from eBay hobbyking. at leat £8 less per battery delivered.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RC-Turnigy-5000mAh-4S1P-14-8v-20C-Hardcase-Pack/131573104355?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160727114228%26meid%3Dd61b5b7557bd4163b41e129359132834%26pid%3D100290%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26mehot%3Dag%26sd%3D391314963395&_trksid=p2060778.c100290.m3507
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-2HpJggG/0/ae21a23d/X3/957F39CD-7AD9-42CC-AABC-57B7CCB8E6EF-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 02, 2017, 07:28:27 PM
Modify time is far too short.


So another bit of info......
2 of these 5000mah LiPo weigh 1020grams
1X 9AH pb weighs 2574grams
So using four Lipo reduces weight by 3 kg approx
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 03, 2017, 11:27:15 AM
WARNING!
This AR6600T receiver is not liked at all by my Action electronics. The P94 mixer was erratic and thinking it was faulty I fitted a new spare. The same problem persisted so I swapped back to my original receiver and all is now OK again.
Also for some reason the rudder channel does not activate/react to the stick to operate my bow thruster AE P93
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 03, 2017, 05:29:42 PM
Thanks again JimG
I bought these
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5X-RC-Lipo-Battery-Low-Voltage-Tester-1S-8S-Buzzer-Alarm-Checker-LED-Indicator/332301526843?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on November 03, 2017, 06:45:51 PM
Thanks again JimG
I bought these
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5X-RC-Lipo-Battery-Low-Voltage-Tester-1S-8S-Buzzer-Alarm-Checker-LED-Indicator/332301526843?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5X-RC-Lipo-Battery-Low-Voltage-Tester-1S-8S-Buzzer-Alarm-Checker-LED-Indicator/332301526843?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)

Exactly what I used to use for RC car racing excellent low cost but do the job very reliably  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 03, 2017, 08:21:41 PM
Cool  :-))  receiver won't be wasted I'm sure it will suit the Shannon although as yet I've no idea what ESC's I'll need  %%
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on November 03, 2017, 09:04:24 PM
no I've no idea, I do like the idea of the Shannon, I had a 37ft sports cruiser years ago with twin Hamilton jet drives so know quite a lot about jet drives and to say I was very impressed with them was an understatement, but I had to sell to buy a house  :(( but really looking forward to your Shannon build
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build..... my Samson post solution
Post by: T33cno on November 05, 2017, 03:45:39 PM
I didn't want something that would have no strength or be repeatedly dislodged. The bulwark is not strong enough with the small point of contact. So......
I chose two brass tubes of a size that suited my eye that fit each other.
The thinner tube I fitted through the deck down to the hull. This is fixed with fusion adhesive.
I used set squares to ensure perpendicular.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-FBCMH3F/0/e253683d/XL/345444F1-F477-4E1F-8B50-2B0D86A75B7A-XL.jpg)


The second tube I have cut to a height and bunged one end with beech dowel and sanded off. Drilled a 2mm hole for the brass peg. Used 2mm styrene for the securing plate that will not need to be glued to the gunnel. So it is demountable for painting or whatever else.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-g9xcDbm/0/1bd3abb1/XL/9BB1781C-0FEF-40C2-97A8-DB6C256B0E3E-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-5vqSvrh/0/cdc7f5d2/XL/6E793D86-D8E1-4443-A773-DAA3A843290D-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-xxQ7Lhv/0/80e90d0b/XL/BAB4728B-6638-451D-BD9F-893A8E000D30-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-rsT9fQS/0/a5b07b0e/X2/72CFE932-25BB-477D-A401-5AA3D352B28D-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tafelspitz on November 05, 2017, 08:42:24 PM
Fantastic!  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 05, 2017, 08:47:21 PM
Thank you :-))
It's a very long road is it not  :o


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-build/i-PdwxjRJ/0/X2/IMG_0784-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tafelspitz on November 06, 2017, 07:03:53 AM
Yes, long indeed, and very winding in places  O0
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on November 06, 2017, 09:44:06 PM

Worth taking your time Andy seeing the results so far and if the rest turns out anything of the same quality as the stuff you have already produced it's more than worthwhile waiting for  :-))


And just think you got to get some practice in before you start on that fabulous Shannon build  O0
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 06, 2017, 09:50:42 PM
Apparently the Shannon is designed to be as easy to build as an Airfix kit. That is straight from the horses mouth  {-)  Adrian
The Maltby will exercise all my acquired knowledge  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on November 06, 2017, 10:26:14 PM
Ah The Maltby a boat I've read a lot about but yet to ever see one  :(( and unsure exactly what it looks like but I think it's looks a little like the Portgarth?
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 06, 2017, 10:29:09 PM
Ah The Maltby a boat I've read a lot about but yet to ever see one  :(( and unsure exactly what it looks like but I think it's looks a little like the Portgarth?


http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,36015.0.html (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,36015.0.html)


(http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=36015.0;attach=107041;image)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on November 06, 2017, 10:36:13 PM
Yeah that is the one I was thinking of, but I think it's looks an easier build than the Portgarth (maybe wrong) just doesn't look as complicated but looks can be deceiving, whatever though I'm sure you will make a grand job of it
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 06, 2017, 10:52:32 PM
That isn't the finished tug and its very much more complicated and considerably bigger and extremely heavy
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Svitzer-Maltby/i-dt77R5q/0/c6261f0d/XL/IMG_2190-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on November 07, 2017, 07:12:57 AM
blimy that's a pretty big beast  :-)) I like the look of the x-bow ships but a bit above my skill set at the moment to do one justice want a few smaller ones to practice on, although the bigger you get the less fiddly things get which is good for me as I've got hands like shovels
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Fastfaz on November 07, 2017, 08:56:52 AM
  Think its big wait until you see how much ballast it takes to get the waterline right! I have cut and chopped mine removing 3 inches from the middle section and it still takes a 12v 14ah battery plus a full roll of 6 inch lead flashing which I have made into a removable block for convenience. She is not built as the original but completely different with my own design, purpose built for towing at Balne next year.
     Good luck though I'm not sure where you find the time to build them all.
               Cheers, Pete.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Butts on November 07, 2017, 10:47:51 AM
That's great news Pete :-)) .  It will be good to see both yours and Andy's boats at the pond at Balne Moor going through their paces.


I've stopped building "double hernia class" boats these days, but don't forget, to avoid nil points for a duff forward roll into
the pond we now have the heavy boat launch :}
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 07, 2017, 11:18:37 AM
I tried lifting the one Nicholas bought of Clifford  {-)
My intention is to make ballast tanks that I can fill with pond water and a large pump to evacuate it when I want to lift it out
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Fastfaz on November 07, 2017, 11:50:26 AM
Hi Mike (say hello to Tess from me),
      Great news about the boat launcher it may save the glass back Ha! I'm looking forward to coming over its going to be very interesting as this baby has Shottles and a bow thruster. L plates required I think.
       Kind regards, Pete.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Stumps on November 07, 2017, 12:42:25 PM
Hi Andy,

What are the dimensions of the Maltby and that will be a very nice model to follow on from your Portgarth build.

Regards
Ant
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 07, 2017, 12:49:20 PM
Hi Andy,

What are the dimensions of the Maltby and that will be a very nice model to follow on from your Portgarth build.

Regards
Ant


3Ē longer than Peteís  {-)
Not had a tape on it but thatís a two seater bench
I doubt you could get one if you wanted to as Les is too busy
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Butts on November 07, 2017, 12:52:09 PM
That's a good idea Andy.  Two of the tows at Balne Moor have that type of ballast arrangement.
One fills naturally as it sinks into the pond (unlikely for you), the other has an on board ballast pump.


Will do Pete. 


My latest build is also schottel driven, but it is a tractor tug, so L plates are also likely :embarrassed:
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Stumps on November 07, 2017, 01:22:29 PM
Thanks Andy, and I'm not after one :D... I was just wondering how it compared to the hull I have of a Damen 3110 which is lurking under the bench. It's 47 inch or there about and I think I'd need to become a weight lifter if I ever finish it {-).
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Fastfaz on November 07, 2017, 01:49:00 PM
Hi Stumps,
     As I recall (I'm not in my shed too cold) she was approx. 39 and 3/4 inches long and approx. 13 and 1/2 inches wide, she only just went into my car boot crossways. When she is complete I will get Poll to put some pics on.
      Cheers, Pete.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 09, 2017, 11:53:04 PM
A little progress
Port side is now ready to complete the painting of the bulwarks&ribs
Not sure if I mentioned Iím using Holts Arum White touch up which I believe to be cellulose. It leaves the styrene looking rather realistic (steely) despite brush marks.
The intention is to lacquer over the lot when Iíve retouched the deck.
Already tested Halfords acrylic over the touch up without issue.
The Samson post fits nicely in the foreground
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-GjhCK4N/0/3fbd65c6/X2/60202853-7547-4D60-A251-F18A697BBBF2-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 10, 2017, 12:19:44 PM
Today I managed to recover the situation of the Tamiya tape impression. A fine sanding and Satin lacquer
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-ZMbCwSC/0/22484e05/X2/D21A34C1-B409-4EEE-BEED-7A4061AE9DD0-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 10, 2017, 08:26:33 PM
Iíve started acquiring toys for the boys  :-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-jK9PhVb/0/ce46eefe/XL/CECF6CF6-1784-4EC7-A370-34004D7ECFE3-XL.jpg)
They ran over like kids at Christmas  {-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-vj2KnVr/0/39356592/XL/D612A125-9FD9-4281-916A-0169E90D45A8-XL.jpg)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Starspider on November 10, 2017, 11:10:56 PM
Mmmmm liquorice polo always said it was a missed opportunity




Sorry I'll get my coat but great build




Colin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.... telemetry again but concluded
Post by: T33cno on November 11, 2017, 11:47:40 AM
 {-)
Thanks Colin


Going back again to telemetry
Not to be outdone! I knew my Spektrum AR600 to be data compatible so as a last ditch attempt I bought the TM1100 and this is a success  O0
The action electronics are happy and as this comes with a temperature sensor that can be placed up front
The TM1100 can be just sticky backed to the receiver
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-VWSxJCk/0/5585a81a/X2/A9AE0A65-AF76-44AE-A586-8A0488401331-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 11, 2017, 04:20:57 PM
Update

All bulwarks now painted, just a bit of touching up of the deck and gunwales to be followed by a Satin lacquer over the lot if the weather ever warms up.

Fitted the other Samson post support tube.

I got immense satisfaction coming up with a way to do the engine hatch protection bars.
I used brass tube with brass wire inside to prevent it flattening on bending.
My deck is really thick at the drilling points as it is underpinned with the deck hatch shelf of paxolin. So I was able to drill deep but without going through.
So when glued in place there'll be no need to glue to the gunwales just like the Samson posts.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-7NHf4NW/0/69f4d468/X2/ADA19622-DAA5-4297-88E5-94E91D612389-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-3pmncpn/0/7a345637/X2/6D7DC59B-4FD5-4E3C-A9E5-E3679827EAC3-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-L5WFgP6/0/0f9395f5/X2/033C94C3-35E0-427B-B4DA-8BCBBFAAC1E5-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-VTrGmz6/0/a3f66196/X2/F54CE28A-0F45-40E2-B0F5-DF3ABF2121AB-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 13, 2017, 10:01:40 PM
New glue to me first use.
I bought this for the wheelhouse glazing but more immediately I needed something that will stick paint to paint and this worked a treat for my plastic grating to brass frame
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-b98kGcb/0/736b2dc6/X2/F50CC711-0804-434E-9B93-80616B73C218-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-3gx6fwc/0/9de4385c/XL/B843D288-FF84-4D23-B8C6-B01636163773-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-RpZ4RMZ/0/6ebc41e7/XL/04B93FF3-18F0-4F9E-96BA-9A6536E5AC4D-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Thornej on November 15, 2017, 10:54:04 AM
Hi Andy,


Awesome build - thanks for sharing.
Where did you get your logo/lettering from?


I have built my PORTGARTH with help from Fastfaz - nothing like the standard of your. I think I must have looking the other way when they handed out the skill set! 😄


Thanks
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 15, 2017, 11:00:34 AM
Hi Jeff thank you
The Svitzer spinning prop is marketed by becc decals
The lettering was from a UK eBay seller but members in here know of much better sources for custom lettering I think

http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/becc_company_logos.html (http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/becc_company_logos.html)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 15, 2017, 07:54:31 PM
I thought Iíd brush paint these seeing as Iíve seen everyone else has  {-)
WTF are they ? %%  Iím guessing theyíre something sacrificial in the corrosion dept perhaps
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-h2MchQJ/0/e7ce6f2a/XL/70534198-C244-4FFA-953F-FC4CFFB93905-XL.jpg)


EDIT Too late! google wins
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_anode (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanic_anode)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: bfgstew on November 15, 2017, 08:04:47 PM
You are correct...........Anodes..........Aluminium or Zinc I think.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 16, 2017, 06:28:17 PM
You are correct...........Anodes..........Aluminium or Zinc I think.


 :-))


Good news or bad news depending on points of view.
I finished work today due to a downturn until January  8)
So mucho more time hobbying   :-)


My outdoor spray shop is nearly ready and extract fan/ducting on its way. I'm going to add a halogen light in there to direct additional heat at the subject as well as light.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build.....spray booth
Post by: T33cno on November 18, 2017, 01:54:04 PM
Just need the halogen lights and I'm in business  :-))


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-Ldjjn4j/0/efe0d4bb/X2/108BAF0C-39D5-471D-A193-ACF605C19823-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-WXgw63r/0/b354728f/L/6178B4EA-3989-4641-A330-64448DB139AA-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 18, 2017, 04:17:21 PM
The missing picture. The fan was only £28. Total cost £52 delivered
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-bdTM47S/0/5f5e9d8a/XL/76A0C2C2-F891-4114-8C88-51E370A82DCD-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: david48 on November 18, 2017, 07:38:56 PM

Maybe I am being a bit over cautious but you might be better with LED style lighting it will not be too hot , I follow you thinking the heat will cure the paint faster  , heat, motor spark  or is the extract fan brushless  ,paint fumes as you will be aware can go flash bang and that not good.
David
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 18, 2017, 07:42:39 PM
Hi David
The reason for the heat is to combat the intense cold and prevent the paint blooming. Itís not about drying time. The extract fan will be pulling precious warm air out of the shed while Iím spraying but once Iíve done the lights will go out the fan will go off and the door closed behind me. There certainly wonít be enough heat to ignite acrylic paint
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: david48 on November 18, 2017, 07:44:50 PM

yer dead right watter wont burn good that you have it covered
da
David

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 18, 2017, 07:47:50 PM
Iíll report back when I test it for real next week but to be safe Iíll shave my eyebrows  {-)
Thanks  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Starspider on November 18, 2017, 07:48:42 PM
The blower looks like a bilge blower, got one on our boat so should not be a prob as it shifts LPG and petrol fumes.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 18, 2017, 07:50:53 PM
https://www.fastlec.co.uk/90410853235-airflow-aventa-100mm-bathroom-shower-toilet-extractor-fan-av100-9041085.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiA0b_QBRCeARIsAFntQ9rw-krx73RYQR819xZIfgA3DvtaZT8AH93vvsl3wPZcRxenNtlt0YQaAh1PEALw_wcB (https://www.fastlec.co.uk/90410853235-airflow-aventa-100mm-bathroom-shower-toilet-extractor-fan-av100-9041085.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiA0b_QBRCeARIsAFntQ9rw-krx73RYQR819xZIfgA3DvtaZT8AH93vvsl3wPZcRxenNtlt0YQaAh1PEALw_wcB)

I have a bountiful supply of silicon spray so ran this through to coat the pipe and blades to prevent paint adhering
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: david48 on November 18, 2017, 07:55:22 PM

at least there are three of us who don't watch  SCD
David
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 18, 2017, 07:56:46 PM
Wrong  {-)
Rock on Alexandra  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Starspider on November 18, 2017, 08:14:14 PM
https://www.fastlec.co.uk/90410853235-airflow-aventa-100mm-bathroom-shower-toilet-extractor-fan-av100-9041085.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiA0b_QBRCeARIsAFntQ9rw-krx73RYQR819xZIfgA3DvtaZT8AH93vvsl3wPZcRxenNtlt0YQaAh1PEALw_wcB (https://www.fastlec.co.uk/90410853235-airflow-aventa-100mm-bathroom-shower-toilet-extractor-fan-av100-9041085.html?gclid=Cj0KCQiA0b_QBRCeARIsAFntQ9rw-krx73RYQR819xZIfgA3DvtaZT8AH93vvsl3wPZcRxenNtlt0YQaAh1PEALw_wcB)


oops thats what you get going off half cocked  :embarrassed: %)


colin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tafelspitz on November 20, 2017, 08:05:58 AM
yer dead right watter wont burn


Actually, I'm not so sure about that (https://youtu.be/Ri7-vnrJD3k).  :}
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 20, 2017, 09:31:19 AM
 {-)


She certainly knows how to play on emotions by bringing children on stage  <:(
I watched more of the clips and then this  8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHXjxWaQs9o
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: bfgstew on November 20, 2017, 09:59:29 AM
The next vid after that ,car pool karaoke with James Cordan, is brilliant. She is absolutely wonderful, tried 3 times to get tickets to see her but all gone in seconds! Not bad for a curvy London bird.......better than any of the sticks we see imho.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: JimG on November 20, 2017, 12:43:32 PM

Actually, I'm not so sure about that (https://youtu.be/Ri7-vnrJD3k).  :}
Tamiya acrylics all have a flammable sticker on them as does the thinner for spraying. Checking the contents shows alcohols and esters all highly flammable. Also a warning dont use near flames or sparks.
Jim
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 20, 2017, 01:41:50 PM
Don't try this at home children  :-)) :}
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 21, 2017, 11:41:00 AM
I just re lacquered the hull. Quite an intense amount of Satin spray completely surrounding the halogen light and the too hot to touch glass. No adverse results, I'm still here eyebrows in tact  {-)
The tins do mention 50C but that is for storage of the tin as it could explode from increased pressure.
I think it would take at least a naked light to induce a flash  %% 


Pictured after the dust cleared
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-XWcFMg9/0/c1bb9b15/L/EA8990A8-AE79-41B5-82DF-9DFEA6565653-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: bfgstew on November 21, 2017, 12:03:07 PM
I recall a school trip years ago to the local fire station. Had a tour round, slid down thd pole, sat in fire engine etc etc, all good stuff for youngsters. Then demo time, big pan on floor,  gallon of 4 star poured into it, then one of the crew lobbed a lit fag end in it, nothing happened, several more where ceramoniously flicked in with no effect.......along came the head man with full BA kit on and kneeled down about 10 foot away and lit a match.......BOOM........almighty fire ball......several scrsaming kids legged it and several more stood wide eyed in awe at the ensuing inferno. Water was first used to put it out......WOOSH......another fireball........absolutely awesome sight, then they spoil it by putting foam on it. They went to great lengths to show the dangers and causes of fires and I still have a healthy respect for anything that can go bang, pop, whizz or burn. But manafacturers are frightened to death if someone is stupid enough to use NAKED FLAMES near stuff, hence all the over the top precautions. As long as you can cover the source of heat or potential spark then you should be ok. Point to remember, turn things on before spraying, then let the room clear before turning off, in case of spafk from switch gear, unless you want to buy Ex rated equipment.......££££££££.
Worked in hazardous/explosive enviroments and never had any misshaps.

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 21, 2017, 12:17:09 PM
Dad was a fireman and I'm an electrician of 40 years post apprenticeship  :-))
I think I was about 5yrs old when I first launched myself at the pole at Xmas party. Old man went mental as I could only just get my arms around it  {-)  never mind the gap  %%
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 22, 2017, 09:13:58 PM
Unexpectedly recalled to work so down time again so I thought I'd update where its at and add some views.
The hull is now re lacquered. The bulwarks inside and out plus deck will be lacquered next. Once that is done all deck fittings will be re attached or attached for the first time. I'll then re lacquer the deckhouse before turning attention to the wheelhouse and upwards.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-gFX2Bk6/0/fa88da8f/XL/3C067EF9-69AD-4429-9011-BDDB8D879ADE-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-bh5CHhg/0/caa6f0e3/XL/77DB5DC8-DF6B-4A32-9875-6130F8463C04-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-6Tfhtk6/1/8960fcb9/XL/7B549872-BD5B-4507-B34C-589EC7A18E3C-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-V2TJmT5/0/42116d7f/XL/D1DD9018-6762-4F7F-8668-EDBAFA4DD8D4-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-DDvPVjH/0/fc88e0e4/XL/BBDE1E20-0168-4C6B-A6C5-A646E294295F-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-8RpB3MR/1/dc061b9e/XL/FCC93FED-E63F-4969-B42B-F06D9DFDAC6F-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: bfgstew on November 22, 2017, 09:17:34 PM
Looking good Andy, your patience and attention for detail is beginning to pay off......... :-))


Stewart
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Starspider on November 22, 2017, 10:09:28 PM
Nice  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tafelspitz on November 23, 2017, 07:21:35 AM
It all looks so neat and pristine. Very impressed with your work!
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Stumps on November 23, 2017, 09:30:36 AM
that's coming alone really nicely  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 24, 2017, 06:03:12 PM
Thank you all for the encouraging words  :-))


I've thought hard about this next major lacquering and to be frank its just not possible in my spray shed.
I need to be able to get around all sides quickly in warm weather to avoid patches of dry overspray. So begging for a freak heat wave (we do get them)
A bit disappointed as that would have lead to a boat load of work being finished (pun)


Attention is now focused on the wheelhouse alone and I'm going to whittle away at it including the inside equipment.
Only 20 more frames to do and I'm priming as I go so I can deal with any imperfections a little at a time rather than one big job at the end.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-2pHHSZS/0/7bb03fb7/X2/EC971B3C-7792-4F59-89A4-DD65B3F86BDD-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 24, 2017, 10:19:49 PM
Tonight I've ordered a selection of Neodymium magnets as I hope to keep the wheelhouse roof permanently demountable. I'd no idea they were so cheap and the bigger ones potentially dangerous.


3mm dia by 1mm thick less than £2 for 50 delivered
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tafelspitz on November 27, 2017, 10:46:44 AM
I'd no idea they were so cheap and the bigger ones potentially dangerous.


Yes, you may want to keep your pacemaker* away from them  ok2
I have a couple of these at home just for the fun of it.


* also credit cards and other stuff...
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Stan on November 27, 2017, 09:37:14 PM
Hi Andy info on magnets please supplier.




Stan.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on November 27, 2017, 09:53:25 PM

Hi Stan,

They are talking about how cheap they are Ebay.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-Strong-Magnets-Neodymium-10mm-Dia-x-3mm-Powerful-N35-Disc-Rare-Earth-Craft/262512172663?epid=848032206&hash=item3d1ef1de77:g:JjUAAOSwuzRXfDL4

Cheers

ken
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 28, 2017, 07:08:28 AM
I bought a selection to experimenting
Donít know whatís happened to the text  {-)

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Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on November 28, 2017, 03:39:55 PM

Neither can I.     :}

ken
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 28, 2017, 06:23:48 PM
These just arrived. Can't believe how strong they are. I think these will do for the roof. £2.99
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Neodymium-Disc-Magnets-5mm-Dia-x-3mm-Thick-Grade-N50-Small-Strong-Round-Magnet/371176559801?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=640325029118&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Neodymium-Disc-Magnets-5mm-Dia-x-3mm-Thick-Grade-N50-Small-Strong-Round-Magnet/371176559801?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=640325029118&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)


Apologies for the mess in my previous post
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-bmtnctq/1/6c44e0b9/X2/D161A05F-767F-4710-9D64-AA65237ADAA3-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 28, 2017, 08:54:01 PM
It feels a chore after a days work but I need to try get one window per day in the bag
One more and that'll be a quarter done
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-c8HMT6n/0/b87a20fd/XL/E045EAE3-5705-4020-8467-FDA0C24BF51D-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on November 28, 2017, 09:12:50 PM
Yes Andy, I think large window frames in modern day vessels [being of irregular shape] is a very difficult task to master [especially if you have ~~24 in sets of different shape but all in very close proximity]

Your brass section window frames process is extremely tidy [square/upright/uniform/equal protrusion etc]........& lifelike :-)).....just how will you glaze these?

Derek
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 28, 2017, 09:33:08 PM
The easy option would be on the inside but the realistic looking option is to have the glazing flush with the front edge of the frames. I'll not frazzle my brain with that until the time comes. I usually have overcome the hurdles one by one so far, pray may that continue  %%


EDIT and thank you Derek  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 29, 2017, 06:06:17 PM
2nd delivery and these really are small. I thought I'd been sent an empty envelope initially  {-)


Only 1mm thick but so strong that even at this distance you can see forces at play.
Will be easy to glue in place.


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N52-8mm-x-3mm-x-1mm-thin-strong-Neodymium-block-magnets-SMALL-PKS-craft-fridge/142161378855?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=441230456330&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N52-8mm-x-3mm-x-1mm-thin-strong-Neodymium-block-magnets-SMALL-PKS-craft-fridge/142161378855?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=441230456330&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-FGP9gjJ/0/a4bb5211/XL/0B21DBB9-6F28-45BD-A381-6569F9D024BE-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 29, 2017, 09:27:36 PM
Good news. I've been invited to the works do despite being agency scum  {-)
Plus I'll finish next Thursday until January so more boaty mc boat face time  O0


Just one more of these to build and I can go  :-))
(https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/attachments/1b774f97-bef4-4255-9fd0-08a49c095eee-jpeg.199181/)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on November 29, 2017, 09:38:28 PM
"Will be easy to glue in place"...

Even after scouring the magnets surface to be glued, the magnetic gauss bond to the adjoining ferrous piece is so strong they tend to overcome the strength of the glued bond and one ultimately is stronger than the other

Result being  <*<............

There are alternate solutions.........Derek
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 29, 2017, 09:42:28 PM
Have you tried fusion adhesive? seems to stick anything and extremely strong.
I'd love the other options? :-))


At least one half of the magnet pair will be on the back side of the wood shelf so the magnetism will hold it tighter rather than pull it away. I may manage this on both halves. The ply thickness between will reduce the magnetic strength also.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on November 30, 2017, 12:47:21 AM
Sliding neo magnets to separate is an easy option, separating on from each other by direct force on axis with your hands is literally impossible


Grind a chamfer around the magnet faces......rectangular. round, square .....doesn't matter

Select a nitrile O-Ring to the appropriate size...if the magnet is rectangular, form the O-Ring into an ellipse & tack with superglue....randomly drill half a dozen holes into the parent material......one drop of superglue to hold the magnet stable

Gently flood the cavity created by the O-Ring with a thinned epoxy resin until just below the height of the magnet .....the epoxy will also flood into the holes in the parent material keying the epoxy and the magnet

Post curing, you can remove O-Ring if desired

__________________________________________
In a past life  %) as a contingency, I used such an arrangement on a Guided Missile Launcher on a Commissioned Australian  <*< Frigate
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: bfgstew on November 30, 2017, 09:34:08 AM
Brian, rather than using magnet on magnet, (very difficult to seperate). Use a small countersunk screw for the magnet to lock onto, a lot easier to seperate. This is how I have the deck on my Granit locked down.


Stewart
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 30, 2017, 09:59:30 AM
Thanks Derek thatís something to chew on
Whoís Brian Stewart? {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: bfgstew on November 30, 2017, 10:15:36 AM
Sorry Andy, I have been on the phone/Emailing to a chap named Brian for the last couple of days regarding work, got Brian on the brain............I do apologise :embarrassed:


Stewart
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Stan on November 30, 2017, 11:26:24 AM
HI all I have used magnets  to hold down the full deck and superstructure on the plastic kit PT596 and never had any problem lifting off any of the parts held with magnets. I do agree  that sliding them apart is the best way to separate them but when in place this may not be possible. In my new fishing boat the decks are held in place with magnets again no problem lifting them off.

Stan
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: JimG on November 30, 2017, 01:56:31 PM
I have many aircraft with canopies and hatches held in place with magnets. The magnet doesn't come loose if you sink it into the surface so it is flush. Usually glued with either epoxy or superglue and they don't come free, even when glued to foam. Normally using 2 magnets, one each side of the join. If you are finding that the attraction between the magnets is stronger than the glue joint then perhaps you need to use smaller magnets. :D Jim
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: nemesis on November 30, 2017, 02:08:48 PM
I tend to use a magnet on one side and a washer on the other, weakens the effect. Still prefer to slide articles apart. nemesis
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tafelspitz on November 30, 2017, 03:20:03 PM
I used a couple of super magnets to hold the servo plate inside my Imara (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,57420.msg601175.html#msg601175) in place. Works like a charm. I used slow and strong Araldite epoxy to hold the magnets in place.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on November 30, 2017, 06:46:05 PM
I'm sure I have enough different strength options to fulfil my needs. These came today and there are 50 here
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-GpkXh3g/0/e1b7ae14/X2/EF4C3E65-67A4-4367-961D-74F78938FA4F-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 01, 2017, 06:30:12 PM
I'm replicating the grab handles too but I'll not fix them until filling/priming is complete
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-p259mTD/0/0e22b93c/XL/C8072F4B-6CD4-4ED6-BB4F-DAA4CC8FAFC5-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Starspider on December 01, 2017, 11:07:36 PM



Nice work Andy very impressive  :-))


Peace colin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 01, 2017, 11:10:17 PM
Thanks Colin.
I'm glad I decided to fill and prime as I go as it would be a lot to do at the end.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-4pdPRW8/0/1614a2ad/X2/6C6FDA62-2B1D-4CB8-8496-81CD03767310-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Thornej on December 01, 2017, 11:32:28 PM
Fantastic work Andy. Iím really enjoying your build.
Great to see a craftsman at work - and what can be done.


Cheers :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 02, 2017, 03:30:36 PM
Thank you Jeff, glad you're enjoying it  :-))


Some info here on how I do the frame dividers etc.


First I make and fit the frame dry before soldering the joint. I remove and clean it up then glue it in place.
Then the divider is held with masking tape while I solder one side after which it is fairly secure to do the other end. Then just a good clean up with sandpaper. This glue has quite good gap filling properties.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-LRMchcg/0/c6281f26/XL/2F2F9A0F-FF7A-4A78-9ECA-6BF909A81D4C-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-HDvTRZ5/0/b74f7e54/XL/84E2F64B-9CD0-4651-8950-28B9554F327B-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-LtN8tZV/0/1aaba28c/XL/4EBCD8D4-9325-4271-9576-724E27BC857B-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-9rmBCLW/0/15f98f77/X2/82534CB4-8B48-4F5B-8451-C3C2B7C9FFC4-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-Dg3D6XK/0/f908f5fc/XL/FC39AE5E-4402-4B80-A5E7-CB04CAD3D796-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Mark T on December 02, 2017, 04:32:29 PM
That is such nice quality work Andy and a very difficult thing to get right  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on December 02, 2017, 08:54:23 PM
Those panels with their frames look like single items Andy. It is difficult to believe that they are made of several parts given your efforts at filling and priming.

Supoib  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: bfgstew on December 02, 2017, 09:33:20 PM
Sickingly good........makes me want to stamp on mine......probably make it look better. %%


Awesome stuff Andy
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 02, 2017, 09:55:46 PM
Thank you all. Very sorry to hear that Stewart  {:-{


I have come up with a flawless way to do the glazing  :-)


I can save a whole host of problems by leaving it as is  :-))
When complete I will have the cleanest looking glass EVER!  {-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-bZNRPBV/1/fa0c0f53/X2/DAA5C992-D2FD-4C3D-A63F-6391F05D7723-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: bfgstew on December 02, 2017, 10:06:50 PM
I can save a whole host of problems by leaving it as is  :-))
When complete I will have the cleanest looking glass EVER!  {-)


Now that is a cunning plan and one that has crossed my mind Andy.
Have been putting off doing the bridge on mine as I am strugging with windows and doorways, they all end up looking wonky, will keep chipping away at it, I will get it right eventually.


Stewart
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 02, 2017, 10:09:20 PM

Now that is a cunning plan and one that has crossed my mind Andy.
Have been putting off doing the bridge on mine as I am strugging with windows and doorways, they all end up looking wonky, will keep chipping away at it, I will get it right eventually.


Stewart


Yes just take your time  :-))  I just use pliers to bend the brass. If it bends slightly to the wrong length you just reposition the pliers on the bend to move the bend along either way little by little.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build......Playtime!
Post by: T33cno on December 03, 2017, 12:24:57 PM
Now and again it helps to boost the enthusiasm/motivation buy throwing the bits together and dreaming of the end result. Despite good progress it still seems a long way off. Of course I could stick to the bare essentials but potentially still bits to add even a year from now between other builds.


In this first picture I should point out that I made the mistake of following MMM's build plan so yes the doors to the wheelhouse are very wrong and should not be recessed. I would have to build another Portgarth if I had another lifetime  %)  to build the whole vessel correctly.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-88Wv5jT/0/3b28ed17/X2/EB425089-31FC-4777-863F-06D9D65A32E1-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-Qh7HPCB/0/12c4ecba/X2/2B956268-3E58-4AC6-B2A1-29773F65F8C3-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-7MKJMTZ/0/395a7c5a/X2/614CE703-A466-4AE4-8234-3A1581A09F29-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-sqHk2GW/0/d0865205/X2/AF717A70-EBB0-4E27-8BFB-6146F4D71ECB-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 03, 2017, 04:27:56 PM
A good day so far
15 down 9 to go.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-FCkPbWt/1/2f3b900d/X2/D752DF96-B4F1-41C2-B57C-FEF42858ABBC-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Mark T on December 03, 2017, 05:10:24 PM
Andy just had a thought about the glazing - if the cross bar in the window was slightly narrower it would give you something to rest a perspex window against for fitting from the inside.  Not really something that you want to hear though at this stage  {-)   Sorry bud just thinking out loud  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 03, 2017, 05:15:27 PM
Thanks Mark but I am going with no glazing  :-))
I believe that when fully painted and with inside detail it will look better than risking messing it up with glue and perspex that will dull & scratch over time.
I may even fit window wipers to add to the deception  8)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Mark T on December 03, 2017, 05:17:51 PM
I may even fit window wipers to add to the deception  8)


Now thats a smart idea and i reckon that it would work very nicely  O0
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 03, 2017, 05:21:48 PM
I found this.
Scroll down the page a bit
https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?1035530-Need-to-build-windshield-wipers-need-hints
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: nemesis on December 04, 2017, 03:59:00 PM
Thats another window cleaner out of a job. nemesis
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 12, 2017, 11:07:18 AM
See if this works.
Marine traffic dot com has some great pictures at FULL file size. Only available if you register and log in.
Easy view shot first
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-DndmBGL/0/6a614b64/L/PORTGARTH-8-L.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-DndmBGL/0/6a614b64/O/PORTGARTH-8.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 12, 2017, 12:22:55 PM
Today Iím on brass work continued.
First given the highly detailed photographs I established that the mast was too far astern of the roof so Iíve repositioned it.
Now Iím making the access ladder to the roof and the final seven window frames to the wheelhouse.
Iím using square section brass tube for the ladder with 2mm servo rod inserts for the bends. I will fit pins to the foot of the ladder to locate into the deck.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-KbbgfpW/0/9dbd7723/X2/B317FA5C-A774-4D82-BDAE-25CE31C6367C-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 12, 2017, 03:43:17 PM
Later in the build there will be handrails connected at the elbow bend extending to the roof handrails
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-J9FFCsq/0/e3795fee/X2/018A33C6-988B-41F4-AF31-3CE245FDA17F-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 13, 2017, 08:32:31 PM
Time for a beer
All windows completed, now on with the interior furniture.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-GzXncPB/1/2306f794/X2/429C3C7E-97FB-4676-81C7-100119CF2FA9-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 13, 2017, 08:38:55 PM

Superb Andy.  I really admire your work.   :-))

ken
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 13, 2017, 10:05:10 PM
Thanks Ken


THIRD attempt at posting, forum is not well.


So it begins
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-2kGZs2Z/0/20ba2619/O/Untitled%20attachment%2000040.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-6FL3VkH/0/940917b9/X2/99BD0E21-E8D2-4393-8847-DDF74A31B142-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-cDmjMqM/0/41689825/X2/AE97D20D-AC91-4BED-8B91-84062054E415-X2.jpg)



Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Paul2407 on December 13, 2017, 10:41:55 PM
Lovely work Andy as per usual, although I see you have now signed this latest masterpiece, Leaving your thumbprint in the paint below the door is an excellent idea  :}
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 13, 2017, 10:44:19 PM
Lovely work Andy as per usual, although I see you have now signed this latest masterpiece, Leaving your thumbprint in the paint below the door is an excellent idea  :}
It gets covered by the door fitting so best place to handle when wet  ok2


Funny BTW  {-) :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on December 13, 2017, 11:23:31 PM
That wheelhouse does look amazing Andy.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 14, 2017, 01:21:28 PM
Cheers IanI feel like I'm on a roll here. Everything just fits without a hitch so far so no need to glue in place.I thought this would be tedious but I'm enjoying it. The level of detail is in a builders hands, no idea how far this will go  {-)   but I will be making the masters chair myself, don't like any off the shelf offerings even if there was one in scale.


Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 14, 2017, 01:26:47 PM
I give up! damn pictures won't show.  >>:-(


Someone give me a shout when the forum is repaired please
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 14, 2017, 09:40:14 PM
SEE FOOTNOTE
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-4mJJk78/1/e62bc823/XL/EC35E129-5026-4714-9403-C394B8C48938-XL.jpg)


SORRY BUT THE FORUM IS BROKEN AND IT TOOK HALF AN HOUR OF FAFFING JUST TO POST ONE PICTURE  :((
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on December 14, 2017, 11:34:57 PM
If there is to be no glazing, is there a risk of water retention and possible damage from prolonged immersion of joins and corners etc if not removed fully Andy?

I ask because you are obviously putting double the effort into this build than perhaps should have been required, and I would hate for your extra efforts to have a shorter lifespan than they deserve.

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on December 15, 2017, 08:04:21 AM
I would defiantly have windows, if the boat  is out and starts to rain, or someone gets carried away with water cannons its going to get wet in there.
I have never used glue, to stick windows i use Stix 2 3mm double sided tape  good stuff no messy windows :-))  ballastanksian said it all why spoil all that great work you are doing.


regards John B.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 15, 2017, 08:41:12 AM
Thank you both
Iím not ruling it out but for now things are clearer in my mind without including that.
The inside of the wheelhouse will be no more vulnerable than the deckhouse or deck, it will all be painted.
I wonít be doing rain  {-) Iíll stay home and build something :-)) 


Thanks for the double sided tape tip John
The thought of making 24 windows is too much to contemplate just now  {:-{
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: derekwarner_decoy on December 15, 2017, 09:00:56 AM
IT TOOK HALF AN HOUR OF FAFFING JUST TO POST ONE PICTURE  :((

Andy......I am not sure what your issue is, but I have taken on one lost sole....missyd from Switzlerland and posted her hull images in her thread here tonight [Switzerland to Australia...then back to a UK server  O0]

What you need is another MBM member to pick up the ball & run with it to help you until this posting glitch is resolved......is there not a local who can help?

Derek
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 15, 2017, 09:01:27 AM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-nv9gph8/0/4f9386b1/X2/E61BD2A3-2EFC-4864-98EA-61282AA31D24-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 15, 2017, 09:04:25 AM
There isnít anything wrong with my picture posting Derek
Itís just the same as ever except since the maintenance work it times out and reports a data base error please try again later.
Iím only inserting images hosted by myself I have never attached pictures
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 15, 2017, 04:01:12 PM

I had to modify some parts to create enough circulation room




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-73q87f3/0/774c8013/XL/3FF6A715-1B53-477F-9710-952648235A41-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-rF7gSjf/0/100a97c5/XL/E60D09A1-F775-4D59-98EB-D966CD2DD348-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-bxz9s9q/0/9222a21d/X2/D779FC8C-4D04-4B34-AF43-965CCB46288F-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-TK3XPzC/0/7d81ebbc/X2/A187B525-953F-47EB-A3A6-E9C0B5EAF899-X2.jpg)


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Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 15, 2017, 08:38:40 PM

Looks lovely Andy.

I thought (when I saw the first picture) that it was a piano.      {-)

Cheers

ken
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Fastfaz on December 15, 2017, 09:40:34 PM
Will we see her in the water at Balne 2018?
    I would like to get a photo alongside my Pegasus (chopped Maltby hull).
            Can't wait for next year's towing.
               Cheers, Pete









Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 15, 2017, 10:09:40 PM
Two pianos now Ken  :-))  but I'm fed up trying with pictures until the forum is fixed  :((




Yes Pete most likely at Balne again, I like to get her 'bottom' filthy  {-)  saves weathering  :-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 16, 2017, 06:07:56 PM
Testing..........Edit two attempts and nearly 5 mins just to insert one picture :(( 


EDIT
try another pic?


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-4VMmKHD/0/42128363/XL/33EE5478-0868-4B91-A137-E0D5BEBC0121-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 16, 2017, 06:13:27 PM
still broken  >:-o
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 16, 2017, 06:33:44 PM
These would have been here
https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/going-to-give-myself-a-tug.144750/page-12#post-2628963 (https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/threads/going-to-give-myself-a-tug.144750/page-12#post-2628963)


Or direct to page 6 volume 5
https://techno.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-8G5LXjV
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 17, 2017, 05:37:18 PM
So time to celebrate 🎉 the forum is fixed and I got a new device so expect better pictures 👌🏆


Also notice that emoticons are posted from my phone! is that a new one?
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Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 17, 2017, 08:31:08 PM
This is my almost complete masters chair prior to paint. I just have to make some armrests from styrene that will simply glue to the backrest. I've used FUSION to attach the seat base and back to the brass.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-7pzVx5h/0/23f91766/XL/05457A93-C00A-4340-899F-53AAD770C4FB-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-JgTQNkn/0/c2fbf526/XL/6308323B-9905-4106-842F-C7994E2AA83D-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-GDgFB8F/0/50e43d08/O/Untitled%20attachment%2000046.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 17, 2017, 08:36:46 PM
Where the clock and barometer are is I believe the cable way for the kit on the mast etc. It will serve the same purpose if I do illuminate it.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-tXkbkdD/0/6582d8e5/O/Untitled%20attachment%2000031.dat.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-8G5LXjV/0/70ed8142/X3/69E279F3-9966-40D6-BB0C-84EE338287F3-X3.jpg)


Leeds model shop has started selling wood by Amarti? or Amati??


Anyway it is beautiful walnut and really cheap. The duck board is made from it and needs no further treatment


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Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: hama on December 17, 2017, 09:46:09 PM
Everything looks superb! You'e very talented and it's a joy to follow this build.
Hama
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tafelspitz on December 18, 2017, 08:16:14 AM
I thought (when I saw the first picture) that it was a piano.      {-)


The exact same thing crossed my mind when I saw that picture.
And you will need two keyboards if you're after an impressive performance (http://assets.teamrock.com/image/8b39213b-c02f-4a02-9ca0-e41e310dc0c9?w=1280). Way to go  :-)) :}
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 18, 2017, 04:25:43 PM
Thank you Hama :-))  glad you enjoy it.
Thanks Tafel  :-))
Actually fitting the keys on the piano now that will be a chore  {-)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-D3kRpLW/0/ec2f0dfb/X2/12FD82BD-9A38-4419-B09D-B92AE9CA71B5-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 18, 2017, 09:28:57 PM
Satin lacquer just creates the right sheen on the back
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-D8xHvKV/0/01f900f4/X2/020F59CC-4965-4DF4-A22C-F80E5EC3AA37-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 19, 2017, 10:21:27 AM
iphone10
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-qGzxBmv/0/3731149c/X2/EAF2D5BE-032F-48B6-8B54-1874D071656E-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-8JGzhhF/0/fa7eea0f/X2/2590B43D-A286-4B09-9D27-BB959AD5583A-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-JVHj3h6/0/978ff3dc/X2/EBB314FA-257B-4D2B-AB4F-477F01953E29-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-W3hs5zF/0/f5d8df59/X2/6AAD2238-C99D-4E5D-9241-25E1E1F0B966-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Starspider on December 19, 2017, 03:12:40 PM
Very nice work, coming together well


colin
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 19, 2017, 04:38:50 PM
Cheers Colin


Meanwhile while the garage sale is in progress......
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-BQ3MxqX/0/fb908e7e/X2/69F1ED94-9EB8-499C-AD82-ECFD8792A85D-X2.jpg)


I've made a start on the mast platform. I must crack on as a lifeboat is imminent.


This is all make it up as you like, no idea how I'll fit it yet.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-Z9FmgpF/0/f37983ff/X2/AAB860A2-D8E1-4CBF-AE34-F66D2F3D50D5-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-FgfXGC8/0/9e8a1753/X2/A220FD81-D9AE-450B-87F4-51F6E9E882C9-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build......cooking on gas!
Post by: T33cno on December 19, 2017, 09:37:37 PM
Mast access platform went like a charm right off the cuff beyond my wildest dreams.
I used a gas iron to avoid having to contact the brass parts and move them.
Using spacers wedges and all manner of improvisation I made a successful evening  8)


The only points that will eventually be glued are the three legs of the mast, everything else just looks like its fixed.


I started by slotting the mast to take the frame but I filed a C section in the frame so it doesn't interfere with the mast possible cable route
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-8wSkSpq/0/2c433167/XL/376E8CEA-7A5B-4FE9-8736-21AC8AEBE6C8-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-sThPWT9/0/a6ce8dc1/XL/A1BDF4FF-27C8-4D64-BF08-52D893661CE4-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-xJJpxHG/0/7fbd756e/XL/50FDA9B8-3A27-41AD-8C40-0238257A0073-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-TvPQGm7/0/1fc7ae0e/XL/8CF5E915-151B-4777-868A-1BAE9344005A-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-Hkfchdp/0/49d3acdf/XL/4FF1E8C0-5A64-4B90-B6EE-D8D0A97D32F9-XL.jpg)



Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 20, 2017, 09:28:32 PM
Just one piccy tonight
I started marking out the mast and realised it was too tall  >>:-(
So luckily I had not finished the ladder cage and managed to unsolder the top four hoops and drop them a rung each before finishing the cage off.
Next job is all the lighting arms before attaching the ladder
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-JWB2mJz/0/2fd33e45/X3/F0030990-4B45-4F8E-AD69-57E6C3E4CD2C-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 21, 2017, 04:34:23 PM
Masking just seems never ending
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-7MXz25R/0/e8a540a1/X2/3508DFF5-CD5D-485F-B695-572CD0665705-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-gZ9T9f3/0/71870c7b/X2/655AE2B2-D364-40B5-A3E6-A0053F5D730A-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 21, 2017, 05:15:16 PM
The roof ladder now has pegs to locate into the upper deck and two sleeves soldered on to take the handrails up onto the roof later without having to solder.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-5/i-ZTZKKbx/1/4279e8e8/XL/47693E05-5B41-4139-9930-8E2AD6CBA970-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on December 21, 2017, 05:31:53 PM
Really nice work Andy,looking good :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 21, 2017, 05:36:47 PM
Really nice work Andy,looking good :-))
Thanks John and merry Christmas  8)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 21, 2017, 08:25:31 PM
Today is 9 months and 4 days since receiving the GRP hull. The number of hours spent has not been logged and as the level of detail is up to each builder I reckon it's impossible to quantify.
I think I will have this finished within the 12 months brackets despite having another build starting soon.
Really time isn't important as long as it's something you have and enjoy spending it  :-)
EDIT
I have abandoned the magnet idea for the wheel house roof. I can secure it with two screws and clamping plates through the windows over the doors. I'm sure it will be unobtrusive and a bonus of not fitting glazing
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 22, 2017, 12:05:34 PM
Patience now while Royal blue hardens enough to mask over and paint the Arum White
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-96gZ9vN/0/52de3731/L/F246E993-7646-42AC-8DA3-4399F998E2E0-L.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 23, 2017, 04:41:17 PM




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-tCG5XdQ/0/39d73e96/X2/DDD01FED-2CC5-470E-BCBB-068C9D786B22-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-rWW2WHp/0/3a1760e5/X2/62EC5525-B079-41C3-89FB-D5AC9A1B467B-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-qZMgN6R/0/d1c930e3/X2/297F1766-2F76-42DA-83C3-A38394D240DC-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-sjc9ZVG/0/9c0d2626/X2/AA3E12FB-BFFD-4675-9418-75AC8C425D5E-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 23, 2017, 06:06:20 PM
Having just done the above successfully I've concluded that I will make the rest of the rails this way too. It's much less restrictive than feeding rods through stanchions
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 23, 2017, 07:02:55 PM
The deckhouse finally got its satin lacquer coat and Iím pleased with the finish. So the funnels are fixed in place now. Progress feels satisfactory
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-p9F6G2t/0/bbd31fd8/X2/7DD97CAC-DA4B-4CB8-9F87-4E4D8FA980B7-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-4SCLd9x/0/11923d7e/X2/E5F53863-F1F9-4BF8-96EC-5F148536A5E7-X2.jpg)

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 23, 2017, 07:23:14 PM
That last photo really highlights the concave bow. The real tug is not concave at all and this hull has been produced with a number of inaccuracies for decades  :((
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 24, 2017, 03:49:18 PM
Just some satin lacquer required on the lower section of the wheelhouse and the superstructure will be finished 🎉
All the work left is handrails and mast so Iím a lot closer the end than I thought.
It will be quite a while weather wise before I can relacquer the decks and bulwarks and do a final equipment fit
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-FDtx6F7/0/0456f6c1/X3/A0A60C43-E6A3-4E8D-9588-BE067F729481-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 24, 2017, 04:27:23 PM
Filling time in with bits n bobs
I'm drilling holes up the crews legs for a brass rod so they can be located and pivot on the spot
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-wJSn8Rm/0/47cc3b0d/X2/6D9DE838-4984-40DF-BC5A-21A15CD3A724-X2.jpg)


The four M4 fixings into the deckhouse roof are all going to be concealed by removable furniture
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-WB2zSf7/0/a434f28d/X2/8BB536F7-63E6-4293-8D4A-D3C1A38276E4-X2.jpg)


A piece of paxolin acts as a location for the cupboard/desk unit


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-c9C5tPJ/0/4e71acdd/X2/B3B9D210-EB3E-475A-9799-B8833C585E5D-X2.jpg)


The duck board is satin lacquered and secured with cockpit glue
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-VR9DVM7/0/2065c334/X2/DF2F23BF-C18C-48C4-B2F6-B0F0106C6AD0-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build. ........... Superstructure complete
Post by: T33cno on December 25, 2017, 10:42:57 AM
Look no glass  8)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-WB2zSf7/0/a434f28d/X2/8BB536F7-63E6-4293-8D4A-D3C1A38276E4-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-tf2pr3n/0/2508ebeb/X2/6F3D2845-92BB-4081-8F09-C84666BBA0CE-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-CT9rtjx/0/fb6380b4/X2/73355530-8B64-43D0-83F0-51B8E44F91AE-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-pQXNjgn/0/25b7d766/X2/E42414D2-4660-41F9-B1B2-F6924EF62A77-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-R92wLQh/0/8b364e98/X2/9EDF16F8-528B-4C1D-99D9-C714B5265038-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-nFqkRrJ/0/e5d0d307/X2/D0CD8DFB-4373-4271-AAC9-47FC07EE05B8-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 25, 2017, 10:45:40 AM
Merry Christmas


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-sXhBMWZ/0/324db400/X2/C967FC7C-5A27-4719-9D30-B108622CCEFE-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-HBRv73D/0/71f0fd24/X2/98A35944-2A81-4FDD-B426-CBA0DCEA8424-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-phGz34T/0/ceb278a0/X2/00BD635A-2B8A-4089-8F53-F4513EE851E6-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-8xc4q3n/0/ee680b10/X2/45D9B5DF-DABB-4B73-A152-812D252E8DB7-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-H6nM3jv/0/98f46c08/X2/30957275-4A26-45B6-B3EC-54717FD61D8F-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tug-Kenny on December 25, 2017, 11:57:01 AM

Beautiful.   :-))   :-))

A work of art.

Cheers

ken
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 25, 2017, 12:15:20 PM
Cheers Ken :-))
Itís certainly turned out miles beyond my expectations from when I started in March  8) :-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 25, 2017, 03:33:20 PM
Some more fantasy play time, loose assembly for effect
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-pcsZVZ8/0/034dd29a/X3/8971B58B-8150-4D5E-A1A1-0941B18A05C9-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-zgvgdX3/0/95f653d2/X3/E5E89465-2EA6-44F7-AED2-9EA6C828E5C1-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-h6LCC97/0/073c4d89/X3/27681360-A5CF-43D7-82A1-20F46C02E6FC-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: cos918 on December 25, 2017, 05:11:58 PM
Hi
I have been watching this build from the beginning . I must what you have been doing is great and the tug looks great.


john 
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 25, 2017, 10:21:14 PM
Thank you John  :-)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-C3zNpKQ/0/ef65fa89/X2/2E9E7474-9C78-47DE-BEEE-7E5256915728-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 25, 2017, 11:01:26 PM
There isn't much weight to add now so tomorrow I'll re visit the bath and see how she sits. If the bow is down then it'll be a change to 20,000Mah of LiPo's and some lead.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 26, 2017, 12:27:23 PM
Competition time.


Guess the weight?  :-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 26, 2017, 12:30:19 PM
No changes needed. Still Ok with two 9ah 12volt



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-nHZR9Qh/0/fd44b379/X2/9AAA84B5-436E-46D1-9D5F-2918F24EE000-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-mmbh7Mf/0/37e48698/X2/C9D3B909-B5C0-48DC-A866-53A0789A9D88-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-SmxZLQQ/0/d0f6e55f/X2/EE78280A-0A35-45CE-94BC-12D3E97CEEB9-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 26, 2017, 01:56:48 PM
Ok no one wants to guess? She weighs 38lbs of which 5.2kg is the batteries

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Mark T on December 26, 2017, 02:31:36 PM
Looks very nice sitting on her waterline - top job there Andy you should be rightly proud  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 26, 2017, 03:02:23 PM
Cheers Mark :-))
I'm now following a tip I got from your Fairmount thread.


I've drilled my roof on the proxxon pillar drill using the depth stop and cut all my stanchions to a uniform length.
Next I will put a sheet of paper over my roof and press through all the holes then transfer to a scrap piece of wood so I can do all the soldering clear of the boat.


I'm using 1.6mm brass rod for top rail and uprights then 1mm for the lower rails
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-9h5Mz5q/0/6b82d84b/X3/0D27214F-3455-43AF-A630-AA1CFE695331-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 26, 2017, 07:51:21 PM
Enough for an afternoon, finish it tomorrow
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-bXgbShn/0/8fe1d75b/X2/6E7FE2E5-95F7-4FD0-957A-2450CCC770B2-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-zDHRqtf/0/6ca98537/X2/6B3F2CD5-5107-48F1-8897-1AAA79909AA5-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Hande on December 26, 2017, 09:07:01 PM
Thank you, Andy! Happy holidays to you, too! Your greetings really warmed me on the inside  :-)
I haven't been naughty - exactly. Just sick  :((
Little progress with my UREKA XIV - fine tuning the painting of some of the deck furniture.
(feeling ashamed).
I feel better now and I really have to carry on with my setbacks work. The bulwark gives me a headache.


Happy new year!
Hande



Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 26, 2017, 09:13:36 PM
Great to hear from you.


I like to think that a trek is nothing more than a lot of small steps  :-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 26, 2017, 09:19:30 PM
Really nice work Andy,looking good :-))


BTW John! put me on your list for a hull  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 27, 2017, 03:46:17 PM
Brass continued.
I made up some steps from an offcut of the mast ladder by adding some treads on top of the rungs
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-4m3gjFD/0/19b648ac/X2/6B9F0CA2-4FFF-45B8-9B63-4DC751D78F6D-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-4VPhsBw/0/5aa1ab84/X2/076AB572-CB81-4C40-8DB6-266893BE73D2-X2.jpg)


This took a lot longer than anticipated after an initial good start. I was up until 2:30 this morning  :o


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-DxVGhJW/0/b2a2ca21/X2/E105D77F-BE9E-47DE-B717-A18B7B5F66D9-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-xfjcgqN/0/93066c77/X2/0566853B-8278-4922-A5C8-000B3A2CF83D-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-f5cLgwW/0/2d613d9f/X3/E82287FD-D4E0-4900-A276-B90911B2DC6D-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-nG8zRcF/0/d40d2f27/X3/79B5D95E-5783-4FAC-BDC1-4DAF82B71F51-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-97hnjVT/0/a8df9675/X3/4FC2D1EF-0F33-4FBA-92B0-2A6600C2BB61-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on December 27, 2017, 06:13:52 PM
I have just returned from Christmas with the family and am impressed with that mast and roof railing assembly! I like a good brass structure and this is one of the best I have seen for a while. Modern vessels throw up some real challenges like this.

I was going to guess that weight Andy but you beat me to it (Honest  %)    )
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 27, 2017, 10:35:21 PM
Thanks Ian
What might you have guessed? I bet you were cock on  {-)


I'm struggling with mast lights, not sure I want the hassle of illuminating it.


I'm now ready for roof equipment but the MMM fittings are either sub standard or again way under scale.
The binnacle weighs nearly as much as my mast  {-)  The spotlight is pants. The gooseneck vents I hate!
All things I can resolve later.


My spray shed has been a boon and not blown up yet  :-))
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-GT3P2Dq/0/c6418138/X2/31567E9C-0706-4C6B-9597-B5D7B4E99459-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-sXPVxWf/0/b9543155/X2/9D6E3997-8E90-4557-86F1-B29DAC94DF1F-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 28, 2017, 10:37:50 AM
I need some nice snorkel vents ( may have to make them) and a spot light


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-FrccPzZ/0/2d6d2cae/X3/31F4049E-B1DC-45D7-9F69-A267225E951E-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 28, 2017, 03:08:15 PM
Ulreka  I found them


The 14mm one will probably fit. £40 worth  %%   but just like the real one  :-)) 


Anyone know what glue to use????????????????????
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-tMMXBMV/0/5d64ad87/X2/E8D7E329-0317-4AFF-BA02-3FF05AAA7228-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-MD8rGNk/0/cbbe2c26/X2/66762390-CD63-4054-BF58-DC180D4D82C4-X2.jpg)


A binnacle that weighs nowt £2.49
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Boat-bits/i-Gp9TKkv/0/0b21ce1d/X2/22F9B99C-93C4-4C9F-9376-840785EF2E48-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 28, 2017, 03:25:36 PM
Seems it's mainly Solder a bit of CA and a bit of canopy glue despite my lack of German  %)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on December 28, 2017, 10:17:20 PM
If you are careful etch will solder. What thickness is the etch .3mm, .5mm? If the latter, it should take some heat.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 28, 2017, 10:24:11 PM
Job is done  :-))   (http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2017/12/28/Spotlight.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 29, 2017, 01:07:45 PM


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-m535KKS/0/c1213e42/XL/31656206-BFB2-46FE-8725-6C329988F8F5-XL.jpg)


Now a GRIPE!! why can't we expect fittings to be realistic and in correct proportions instead of being plied with junk?


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-vzG8Qpv/0/2d399468/X2/140443EB-A388-4605-B71E-B01F9DB1AB9F-X2.jpg)


I've just knocked up the correct size vent for the wheelhouse and deckhouse roofs. I need four in total but how easy or hard is it to create a resin casting?


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-ddfbdZ9/0/6bda24e7/X2/6B743453-33F6-4245-B0F1-3456CE29AF44-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on December 29, 2017, 04:06:23 PM
Removing the location pin and replacing it later with a brass rod will make casting in resin easier because then you have much of the base of the swan neck to cut an 'In gate' to (2) and adding a riser (2) will then allow air to escape the return of the neck otherwise it will probably get trapped (5) causing you to have many failures as tipping the mould while the resin is liquid may not be enough.

Places where small air bubbles will try and collect (6) are corners of the flange and where the riser joins the swan neck unless the riser is as big as the neck or you can successfully jiggle them out with knocks or vibration; there being no way you can poke them out.

As the shape is simple, you could make a one part mould and slit it almost all open to remove the master and then careful closing of the mould should reduce 'Stepping' where the mould halves have been poorly aligned causing a step to appear in the casting.

The numbers refer to a drawing I uploaded (Hopefully)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 29, 2017, 04:22:02 PM
Thanks Ian
I may just make the four unless anyone out there wants to produce it to add to their 1/32 inventory ?

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-FtrC5qh/0/fd67bacb/X2/491A2CDC-13CA-46EA-BCD1-348B9B14E80B-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 29, 2017, 04:48:08 PM
Size comparison  :-))

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Speedline-Shannon-class/i-MwnWxtt/0/84f30067/X2/0261597E-6872-431F-91D7-77C9A66BAD18-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Brian60 on December 29, 2017, 05:23:19 PM
https://www.shapeways.com/product/S429U3JNJ/goose-neck-with-flanges-2x4-with-flanges-20pc?optionId=64118111
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 29, 2017, 05:25:37 PM
Nice looking quality Brian but nothing like those on the Portgarth which are almost handrail height and quite large diameter and no flanges

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 29, 2017, 06:28:45 PM


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-zGMV4Cc/0/d31b1576/XL/84CFD4A8-B5F3-4224-AA57-FEE0C4A461A9-XL.jpg)
5mm round bar


(http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2017/12/28/Spotlight.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Brian60 on December 29, 2017, 07:23:31 PM
Yep, but if you search shapeways there is stuff to your scale and various items, its always worth a look, the off putter is the price of this 3d printed stuff. The shape you have there could have been made with a 4 inch nail, put a bend in it and trim to size, using the head as the base flange, once painted you'd never know.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 29, 2017, 07:35:46 PM
Yep, but if you search shapeways there is stuff to your scale and various items, its always worth a look, the off putter is the price of this 3d printed stuff. The shape you have there could have been made with a 4 inch nail, put a bend in it and trim to size, using the head as the base flange, once painted you'd never know.


What I need it seems is a course in 3D design and printing. OR just buy for a seller who gives more than a toss  {-)
You wouldn't get this from Speedline everything is A1
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 29, 2017, 11:30:32 PM
Meanwhile
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-H5JRkPB/0/58f5efd1/X2/10768E01-F212-47D5-9D48-51EE56564519-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-tsWtgzK/0/48d3e489/X2/5539ECA4-4AB2-4975-AA11-AE9417302B69-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-9XHCbzV/0/06883ee1/X2/DA65AAF3-B25C-45BC-9DAA-9E1AFE7AFDD8-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Brian60 on December 30, 2017, 07:36:23 AM

What I need it seems is a course in 3D design and printing.

Don't do it. I've been trying to learn sketchup for 4 weeks now, it is so difficult to move from viewing and drawing in 2s to imagining an item and drawing it in 3d, I'm wondering if it is easier to pay the premium and buy parts that others have already designed :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 30, 2017, 11:22:11 PM
Slow going in painting
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-Z5b2Zvs/0/8247e522/X2/851F943E-2D79-4B1B-9DCD-3127B4078FD0-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Dreadnought on December 31, 2017, 09:43:23 AM

Looking great Andy :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 31, 2017, 01:00:31 PM
Thank you kindly :-))
I decided it folly to pay over £21 for a 14mm spotlight and not wire it up  %%  so I have  8)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-v45LtHQ/0/b2d97012/X2/C84E05DA-73A2-4630-9D57-D533341C3506-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 31, 2017, 02:28:47 PM
Little beauty  :kiss:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-LW8Lz4d/0/f46fe96c/XL/D4856C4A-842D-4BAD-9642-8FA7FE0587EA-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Netleyned on December 31, 2017, 03:44:42 PM
Is the cable being hidden Andy?
Ned
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 31, 2017, 03:49:10 PM
The real one has a cable but I think it goes into the motor mounting box. I cant really do that on the model so it will go through the roof as close as poss behind it
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build............... roof retention system lol
Post by: T33cno on December 31, 2017, 07:50:02 PM
Having decided finally on no glass and ruled out neodim magnets. I have come up with this idea after a lot of fiddling and dropped bits.
The little brass plate is angled just enough that it will turn 90 degrees when I do the screw up and rotate back clear when I loosen it. This means the screw can stay put without fiddling every time. It is 2mm and tapped into the wood.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-kV32BdN/0/f38113f5/XL/51542E92-C050-4F35-AD7B-492C19A7DD9A-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-jSC4WnR/0/ae0f6062/XL/5E4A5FF7-31DD-499C-A20E-EC35D96315BB-XL.jpg)


From aside un noticeable
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-x9z4hz5/0/54aec360/XL/3211C573-45AC-4728-97CE-0128B67F246E-XL.jpg)


EDIT well barely  {-)  maybe paint it white  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 31, 2017, 07:58:42 PM
So theoretically if I can parallel all the LED's down to just a pair of contacts (assuming I manage fitting them all) I can glue all this up as one and take it off at will. This falls in nicely with the demountable wheelhouse and funnels
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-8M7dmjG/0/19aaf94d/X2/DBF2E749-1965-44BC-9E24-FBB1BF0E5F06-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 31, 2017, 08:29:37 PM
Possibly at some time I might stretch to recreating the ceiling to hide the wires and enhance the look further. Not in great detail but the general shape just like the captains consoles
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth/i-pTSDKjC/0/37e7f07c/O/Untitled%20attachment%2000129.dat.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on December 31, 2017, 08:57:23 PM
Here I've started to form the stair and deckhouse roof top rails. It's important that they are identical to start off.
Because the stair is too narrow I can only fit the outboard rail unless the crew go up sideways. I will crank the rail outwards slightly and curve the stair stanchions to suit. I will do my best to make it all look plausible.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-xDSKqMz/0/324e76a9/XL/030EC876-55E9-400F-BA56-D09496133D31-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on January 01, 2018, 01:06:04 AM
Happy new year and thank you for all the private messages/emails recently ! Very much appreciated.
 :kiss: :-)  Especially Clifford  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Brian60 on January 01, 2018, 07:47:24 AM
They do look identical Andy, how did you accomplish that? I'm interested to know before I get to bending lots of rails on my present build.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on January 01, 2018, 09:38:54 AM
Good morning Brian
I started with a length of wire just reasonable long enough without having excess flapping about.
Then on one stair I started at the bottom with the first bend and the slight crank outwards to create the illusion I need to make the stair look wider
Holding that in place on the model and tweeking  until I was happy that it matched the pictures I have I held my thumb nail at the point of the second bend with my right hand. Now this is the awkward part as Iím right handed so I transferred that point over to my left thumb so I could start the second bend with pliers.
Then keep trying it against the model and adjust until 100% happy it helps to have the correct height stanchion after the second bend to get the height change correct from the stair slope onto the level deck.
Then I only have two more bends the same way
Now to mirror image I just held a fresh piece of rod alongside and made the first two bends to match (the small kick and first bend)  the new rod is now travelling away from the old rod at the next bend so being careful need bring them back Parallel so they are alongside to mark the next bend then again for the final bend. The brass is very easy to twist for minor adjustments and bends can be moved either way with careful positioning of pliers
I hope that creates the right picture a video would be better but I donít do utube
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Brian60 on January 01, 2018, 10:38:45 AM
You've done well. I have tried the accepted method - transfer the shape to a board by drawing it out - if its a square, draw a square and then where you want bends, the corners on a square, hammer in a panel pin. Baiscally whatever shape you need, draw it and put a panel pin wherever there is a bend.

Then use that to bend your wires around. Sounds simple but I have never yet in years of doing this, managed to get in the case of railings, get three or even two exactly the same! There is always some slight difference on the corners so that it is noticeable on the finished item.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on January 01, 2018, 10:41:16 AM
Thanks
Practice gained making 24 brass window frames has no doubt helped  {-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on January 01, 2018, 12:58:31 PM
I find bending wire and tube to be a challenge. Where do you put the mark for bending? where you want to bend or at the point plus half the width of the rod??

Good metalwork again Andy  :-))

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on January 01, 2018, 01:19:35 PM
I find bending wire and tube to be a challenge. Where do you put the mark for bending? where you want to bend or at the point plus half the width of the rod??

Good metalwork again Andy  :-))


Thanks Ian. Any method that works for you as long as its consistent, working freehand requires practice and some experimentation but I always start with a gentle bend and re try it before continuing with more bend or adjusting it along either way before giving it full what for .
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on January 01, 2018, 11:34:46 PM
My handrails and vents are now satin lacquered and a snug fit without glue. Vents glued only.
Much easier to fix if damage occurs
Other parts are waiting their turn in the drying stakes.
The lacquer helps make the paint more robust I feel as paint alone easily suffers chipping on brass.
The search light is finished and in the paint shop, it has been dry fitted first hence the locating holes in the roof
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-nVtCrK2/0/8c670400/X3/6EBF52C7-B893-4D18-90F7-BA29D5093316-X3.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-mHmpRQT/0/5aaacc40/X3/242AA626-2CE5-433F-970D-178741780F67-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on January 02, 2018, 04:07:57 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-rgTzpSR/0/47a6aa3e/X2/293056D6-307E-4927-AAA2-DC3C2944DEB3-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on January 02, 2018, 06:05:58 PM
Cheers  :-))
(https://www.motorhomefun.co.uk/forum/attachments/452f025f-ef94-44a8-9761-bc23200bf616-jpeg.205073/)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on January 02, 2018, 10:27:09 PM
For a warship model, I would lacqure and then dust with matt to get the best of both worlds: strength and look.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on January 02, 2018, 10:43:49 PM
Beautiful job  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on January 02, 2018, 10:52:28 PM
Cheers I'm well pleased but still some awkward bits to overcome  :o


I'm more pleased that I've nearly kept my promise. Early in the thread I complained that there are numerous articles where someone started a Portgarth and they all petered out nowhere near finished and I promised I would. Not far now  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: bfgstew on January 02, 2018, 11:20:19 PM
I applaud your commitment considering some of the hurdles you have had to overcome. A testament to your patience and craftsmanship Andy. Bravo sir.

Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on January 02, 2018, 11:22:09 PM
I applaud your commitment considering some of the hurdles you have had to overcome. A testament to your patience and craftsmanship Andy. Bravo sir.


Thanks Stewart  :kiss:   :-)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: newdabbler on January 03, 2018, 08:37:39 PM
Cheers I'm well pleased but still some awkward bits to overcome  :o


I'm more pleased that I've nearly kept my promise. Early in the thread I complained that there are numerous articles where someone started a Portgarth and they all petered out nowhere near finished and I promised I would. Not far now  :-))
Thank you once again for such a comprehensive build log. I did message you a while ago concerning my own build. I have basically started again since reading your log. I have removed prop shafts, kort nozzles, deck supports etc. I took the mold markings as gospel. There not. Thats when I found that the prop shafts were out of alinement. Even where the bulwarks (where they drop down in height) don't line up when squared up with the hull centreline that I have now managed to sort out. It has proved very difficult to get any sort of date line.
I have now established a true centreline.
One question for you - is paxoline robust enough for tapping a thread into.
Graham
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on January 03, 2018, 08:46:04 PM
Well done Graham
Yes I have throughout repeatedly drilled and taped it
Starting with my motor mounts and all the hatch fixings
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on January 03, 2018, 11:08:55 PM
Paxolin is bloomin hard!
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on January 03, 2018, 11:24:39 PM
I use a wood cutting blade in my makita 18 volt jigsaw
Drill with HSS bits
Sanding is hard so cut accurate to minimise the need
Abrade surfaces to be glued or painted, only needs matting off.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on January 11, 2018, 07:50:38 PM
I currently have cause to be using P38 and I've been waiting for the opportunity to do an alteration to the inflatable boat I bought from MMB. Ideal dimensions but completely flat bottomed.


So I CA'd a strip of brass down the centre line and filled. This didn't give quite enough angle so I glued another strip of brass on top and repeated.
Just one of many changes to come around a basically sound building block.


Now fits the cradle much better like the real one.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-qHbKrLj/0/90c3b22d/XL/00115FA9-6B93-473A-BEAC-015152418454-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-GZq2z66/0/ad25f1de/X2/5045E7CD-ED17-4A2F-9AF2-108D727F2A4E-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-KmQqgct/0/955cc62e/XL/6C591C0E-88C2-4B29-9DD0-B80809970C2C-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-CphGjGw/0/1fc39bfd/X2/C03552F2-0BCF-49F1-91D8-5F91F47DE6E7-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-9NQ9JHK/0/d2478ee8/X3/ED7F8219-C92C-421C-A7F8-B9F62A8A8C50-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on January 13, 2018, 02:29:30 PM
D shape styrene strip seemed to stick OK with poly cement
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-MFPrcVL/0/c1d5438b/X2/63E8705A-4F1C-45A4-83A9-A5D1C946BA02-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on January 14, 2018, 09:29:14 PM
Spray cover added.
It's very difficult finding any one example that fits the bill so this will be a product of imagination. A few more details to add but the paint should transform it.


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Portgarth-volume-6/i-njMLf66/0/31d7f796/X2/07C46562-A47E-478B-9BF7-64D1B64E3CA1-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tizdaz on January 14, 2018, 10:29:06 PM
Very nice work fella, keep it up! :)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on February 23, 2018, 08:25:22 AM
Thanks Daz


Nice to see the thread is being used for reference as the view count keeps on climbing despite my inactivity  :-))


The weather seems a long way from being warm so I still cannot do the lacquering. I have no motivation to finish the metalwork until then and I'm busy with other things.
I'd like to think I can make it to Balne Moor 4th March with her just for viewing and the social.  8)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: tugnut on February 23, 2018, 08:46:54 AM
Hi Andy boat still looking good love the Rib :-)) ,is Balne on the 4 April .
regards John B
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on February 23, 2018, 09:01:53 AM
Hi Andy boat still looking good love the Rib :-)) ,is Balne on the 4 April .
regards John B


Thanks John
No itís
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,60152.msg633523/topicseen.html#msg633523 (http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,60152.msg633523/topicseen.html#msg633523)


Then 8th April
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Butts on February 23, 2018, 11:12:07 AM
is Balne on the 4 April .
regards John B


John, as Andy has told you the first Balne Moor event is 4th March.  That though is a free sail not a dedicated tug tow event.  The 8th April is first dedicated towing event.  Having said that, there will be a tow in the water at all of our events, so the opportunity to tow is always there.

Coming along nicely as always Andy.  Is it going to get it's bum wet towing at Balne sometime soon? :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: T33cno on February 23, 2018, 12:10:49 PM
Not until the deck is lacquered
I donít want to undo my good work with water ingress for the sake of a little patience  :-) 
Definitely on the pull this year  :-))
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Butts on February 23, 2018, 05:08:51 PM
I understand perfectly Andy. For similar reasons it might be a bit longer before
my winter build sees the pond.  Won't be there on the 4th anyway.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: poll on February 23, 2018, 08:42:06 PM



 I'll be there Andy to give you some pointers .😁😁


 John
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Tafelspitz on June 18, 2018, 01:59:21 PM
What may have happened to T33cno and his formidable build?  (https://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/konfus/n020.gif)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: captain bligh on June 18, 2018, 02:01:24 PM
Was only thinking the same the other day!
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: ballastanksian on June 18, 2018, 08:58:37 PM
Andy still puts info and videos up on Facebook but left the forum a few months back.
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Butts on June 19, 2018, 09:15:41 AM
Andy is a member of Balne Moor MBC and recently he had a go at tug towing. 

His boat performed well as can be seen here.  It is not quite finished yet though.

(http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/images/2018/06/19/IMG_0256.jpg) (http://modelboatmayhemimages.co.uk/image/Bjbto)
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: neverupright on June 28, 2018, 03:02:47 PM

Hi Michael


see you have an event on at Balne this Sunday what time does it run from and what time is it expected to finish.


Thanks


Carl
Title: Re: MMM Portgarth build
Post by: Butts on June 28, 2018, 03:36:20 PM
Hi Carl,

The event will start at about 10.30 and run until 16.00ish.

The gates are kept open on event days so you'll have no problem getting in.

Hopefully see you sometime on Sunday :-))




Michael