Model Boat Mayhem
The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Working Vessels => Topic started by: neverupright on March 03, 2018, 05:31:53 pm
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Hi all
About 3 years ago I purchased Model Slipways Al khubar, tug boat. I found this kit difficult and basically made a dogs dinner of it. i think the main problem is I was expecting everything to fit perfectly and I did go at it like a bull in a china shop. Subsequently this partly constructed kit got put in the attic and forgotten about, well not entirely, I have since tried to rectify my mistakes, again using the touch of a cab horse, after which, again back to the attic. Fast forward to the present and after reading T33cno Portgarth build, it's back down from the attic, this time I will be asking for help and advice from the kind folk on this forum. first question I cut the slots for the deck drainage, or should I say hacked. I need to restart this, is it possible for me to refill these holes and start again. One idea, after reading Portgarth build, he lines the inside of the hull with plasticard, would it be possible to do this and then fill the gaps with P38 or some other suitable material, thus giving me after a lot of work a blank canvas to start the process from the beginning. Can I also add I am new to Boats/Ships and do not understand a lot of the lingo that goes with maritime, so bear with me if I do not understand at times.
Thank you
Carl
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Welcome, and the best advise can be - Patience - the old adage - mark twice, cut once is also a good one, if you are able to add a couple of photo's then those who know better would be able to advise on a way to make repairs.
Planning what you want to do is better than playing by ear, many a time I have started to do a bit on a build and spend 80% of the time thinking about how to go about doing it.
If you have pictures that will help - remember the picture size needs to be less than 300MB per picture - say 900 x 900 pixels or at least less than a 1000 pixels as a guide (save the picture to a desktop and look at its properties).
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Hi
pictures as requested, as you can see I have attempted some repairs with fibreglass and filler, not very pretty. :(( :((
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Hi Carl,
I note you are in Sheffield. I do not know where, but Balne Moor MBC will not be too
far away from you. We are off the A19 between Doncaster and Selby. Whilst we have
various types of scale boats in the Club we do specialise in tugs. Why don't you come along to an event of ours and see. You can even have a go with a tug. Bring you model along, there will be someone prepared to have a look and offer advice. Our next event is 8th April. Andy (T33CNO) is a member, so you may get to see his Portgarth when it is finished.
Please though do not get disheartened about your ability. This is a hobby, it's supposed to be fun. Looking at your wash ports, they did not look too bad and a little fettling with a small file might have been all that was needed. Don't let best be the enemy of good - I've been there, believe me! Ask me who made three wheelhouses for an Ormesby Cross and still used the first one!
I have doubts about you P38 idea. Andy's way of putting plasticard on the inside of the bulkheads
is a tried and tested technique but I'm not sure that P38 would shape a cleanly when you reshape the ports.
Maybe see you in April?
Michael
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Hi Michael
Will check if I am duty on the 8th, notice you have a pic of what looks like a series 1 land rover, is that another interest of yours.
Carl
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Hi Michael
Will check if I am duty on the 8th, notice you have a pic of what looks like a series 1 land rover, is that another interest of yours.
Carl
Yes, what we call "the wife's car" is a 1952 80" Series 1 Land Rover. It looks just like my avatar and was registered in September of that year (which technically makes it a 1953 model) to Lord Howard of Glossop at his Knightsbridge address.
The Land Rover never lived there though. It worked on his Yorkshire estate, Carlton Towers near Selby.
In 2012 it featured in a Japanese TV documentary about Royal patented products.
I also own a 1967 series 2 hybrid, but that's a whole different story.
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may be this should be on a different forum, I own a 1975 series 3, off road at moment hopefully back on by the end of the month.
Carl
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may be this should be on a different forum, I own a 1975 series 3, off road at moment hopefully back on by the end of the month.
Carl
You're right that it is not a subject for this part of the forum, but there is a section for other hobbies and interests.
I'll put some pictures of the series one there when I break her winter hibernation next month.
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Hi all
as i can't make any progress on the hull, I treated myself to a cutting mat, (should have bought one years ago), and thought I would get on with some of the deck items, I think they've turned out OK so far. Michael, I am now on duty on the 8th, I was originally on rest day and was planning to come to the event, when is the next one?, pictures of progress so far.
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Nowt really wrong with the washports - it is a tug after all and they get knocked about something chronic!!
And as for the deck parts - very tidy modelling from what I can see.
As has been said - take your time, be patient and work methodically. Building model boats is not a race - it is purely for your own enjoyment!!!
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Go to the painting section and read what I have said about filler.....time and time again Ive said to everyone don't use P38 far to hard to rub down.....Use easy light Top |Stop ...I am a panel beater and know just a bit about filler !!!
Dave
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Hi Carl,
Our next event after the 8th April is 13th May. That is a scale sailing event, but should be a good opportunity to see a range of different types of model. If you can make another weekend sooner PM me with the dates and I'll try make arrangements to meet you at the pond as an alternative.
As the other Carl has said your new work looks good :-))
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thanks all the engouraging comments,
Go to the painting section and read what I have said about filler.....time and time again Ive said to everyone don't use P38 far to hard to rub down.....Use easy light Top |Stop ...I am a panel beater and know just a bit about filler !!!
Dave
Will have a read
Hi Carl,
Our next event after the 8th April is 13th May. That is a scale sailing event, but should be a good opportunity to see a range of different types of model. If you can make another weekend sooner PM me with the dates and I'll try make arrangements to meet you at the pond as an alternative.
As the other Carl has said your new work looks good :-))
sods law, I am in northern Spain watching the rugby finals that weekend, then straight down to southern Spain to spend 5 days on mates boat, it's tough life sometimes. I will look at some alternative dates, are we looking at just Sundays.
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sorry that should read yacht not boat, I've just been told off
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sorry that should read yacht not boat, I've just been told off
I suppose it makes a change from your father's yacht. Lucky for some!
General Club access to the pond is Wednesday, Saturday or Sunday, so by mutual agreement it can be any of those. Chances are on the day it will be we two! With sufficient warning I can make most days.
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Hi Michael
due to shift patterns, the next day I could make would be the 21st April.
cheers
Carl
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Hi Carl,
Yes, 21 April is possible for me.
I could meet you at the pond at about 11.00 if that's OK?
Have to walk two German Pointers first! Directions to the pond are on the website - link below.
Michael.
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Hi Carl,
Yes, 21 April is possible for me.
I could meet you at the pond at about 11.00 if that's OK?
Have to walk two German Pointers first! Directions to the pond are on the website - link below.
Michael.
Hi Michael
that sounds like a plan to me, I will be touch closer to the date if that's OK.
I've been doing a little bit more recently, bit of touching up still to be done, but I 'am pleased with the results, not exact copy's, see what you all think.
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Looks like good work to me Carl, well done :-))
I'll await your confirmation on the 21st.
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Hi Michael
I've sent you a PM.
Carl
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Hi all
visited Balne MBC today, where I was greeted by Michael and his wife, thanks for your time Michael and the advice you gave, all taken on board and I will be back for more, unfortunately I won't be able to attend the meeting on the 10th June, i am on duty, sat and sun nights, that week end, I will look at the calendar of events and see which I can attend.
Carl
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Hi Carl,
No problem, just shout out if you run into any more obstacles.
Hoping you can get to one of the BMMBC events later in the year :-))
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Hi all
been a while since I did any work on my tug, had a week away and since then seem to have been at work constantly, just a couple if pics, doing s a dry run before glueing
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Progress is progress! The Al Khubar is a great model, I had one a few years ago and it's an enjoyable build and even better on the water. Looking forward to seeing more.
Alex
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Hi Carl,
As said above, it's good to see you making progress.
I'll look forward to seeing you stretching it's legs at Balne Moor at some point in the future :-))
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Hi,
All if I don't used the P38 fiber filler, Could you mind provide a good material for glue the deck and shaft. Because i will buy this ship next month.
Thanks :-)
Marz
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Hi Michael
as soon as I get some spare time hoping to pay you a revisit, would also like to pay a visit to Stan at Kirklees as well, hopefully bringing the little-un.
Carl
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You'll both be welcome at both Clubs Carl :-))
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Hi all
I am now looking at buying the motors, Butts has advised MFA 540 geared 6:1 on 12 volts. Nothing wrong with that advice, thought I'd look on eBay see what there is, loads is the answer ranging from a few quid to 70-80 quid. Can't afford the higher end, on the other hand not going cheap as you usually get what you pay for, got 2 to get so around 25 each would be the range I am looking at, can any one recommend a motor for around this price. And I don't understand this 6:1 gearing, can some one please explain.
Thank you in advance.
Carl
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Hi all
not sorted out which motors to use yet and as car repairs have taken priority, thought I would crack on with the superstructure.
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forgot to add this is the first time I've had to bend plastic, I am pleased with the results.
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Hi.
I am following your thread. I am not far from you as I am in Dronfield. Having said that I am also learning about powered model boats. I joined Balne Moor and having limited time and no workshop space have purchased 2 tugs. The people at Balne Moor are all friendly and are always happy to offer advice and help with setting up. I missed the last event due to car problems am hoping to attend the next one but am supposed to be going on holiday the night before so need to do some juggling.. Dont get disheartened with your build, I have never seen anyone get criticised at a model club.
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Hi all
not much progress been made recently, being working on another project, not boat related, will post a picture when finished. Good news is I am now in position to purchase a couple of motors,. I have found what I think is just what I am looking for (following advice from Butts), a 540 motor and 6:1 gearbox from Model Dockyard, priced at £20.32 each motor, firstly has anyone had any dealings with Model Dockyard and am I barking up the right tree, hoping to order them in the next couple of days.
Carl
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https://www.componentshop.co.uk/motors/dc-geared-motors.html (https://www.componentshop.co.uk/motors/dc-geared-motors.html)
Buy with confidence and slightly cheaper
Dave
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Carl, Stavros is saying have a look at Component Shop - good advice :-))
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Thanks Stavros/Butts
Advice taken and I have just ordered 2 motors, on duty over the weekend, so hopefully they will be here early next week, when I am off for a few days.
Carl
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Hi all
motors ordered yesterday at 3pm from Component Shop arrived in post this morning, excellent service.
Carl
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China cannot compete with the
Welsh guys :-)) :-))
Ned
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hi all
well as you know I've got the motors, never fitted motors, props, lined them up etc, where do I start, another problem has arisen that's going to slow me down, during an incident at work last night I've ruptured my right bicep, yes I am right handed, look on the bright side no more work for a few weeks.
Carl
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test
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Hi all
seem to be having a problem with my posts, this is third attempt, hence test on last post. Now my arm has been repaired, been doing a bit recently, pleased with the results, photo's below hopefully.
cheers
carl
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Hi all
can't believe it's been a year since I last posted, during in the year I felt I needed a some thing a bit easier to build, so I had a go at Mowe 2, which I enjoyed and is up and sailing, I've also built a 1700 scale HMS Rodney for the father in law, frustrating to say the least. Any how back to Al Khubar, I've had a go at fitting the prop etc, with no success, don't seem to be able to get them lined up, or get my head round how to approach fitting them, can any one help please.
Carl
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Hi all
little disappointed I've had no reply's to this, I do keep trying and I am making some progress, sure I am making it harder then it should be, hoping to get to balne this year and looking at joining, hopefully some one will be willing to help me out if I've had no success before, and hopefully work doesn't get in the way.
Carl
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What exactly are you having trouble with? When it comes to lining up prop and motor I use brass tube of appropriate diameters to make a solid jig to connect both shafts, then pack under the motor as required. I also fit a double UJ to absorb any minimal misalignment.
HTH
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Hi
thanks for replying, basically the lot, just couldn't seem to the rudder skegs in position, get the prop and propeller lined up with out it fowling the nozzles, and then the whole lot would fall apart. So after throwing my teddy in the corner, and getting home from a training course that finished early today. I decided to give it another go, don't know what I've done differently, same approach, somehow everything fell into place on one side, the other still not quite right. It was dry run, however, it has proved I can do it with a bit of patience, trial and error and perseverance. I am also now working in the shed on a purpose built bench, in stead of the kitchen table, any advice still welcome.
Carl
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Hi Carl, not been on the forum for a long while, Retirement, a very long holiday and a triple heart bypass put paid to that but ....... back in the fray now and picking up my old Al Khubar Tug and trying to make some progress. To be fair to Model Slipway they were keen to make sure I was an experienced modeller before selling me the Tug. Being well versed in Tamiya etc I said yes. So, as you might guises Al Khubar has been a challenge for me, everything from cutting the sides to aligning the props has been new to me so quite a trial. I am now doing experiments with adding initial strips of lead and today tackled one of my big fears, the Rudders. All clamped up right now so not sure how successful I have been. I will be interested to share my progress with you as we go forward.
Derek
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Hi Derek
welcome on board buddy, be interesting to see if you have any photo's, I am making progress slowly, will post some pic's shortly, though time is limited due to pressure at work, so not progressing as quickly as I would like. Must say it is enjoyable to get in the shed and do a bit even if it's only 10 minutes, assume the bypass was a success and you are well now.
Carl
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Hi Carl,
I think you are making a great job of that superstructure, just hope I can make mine as good as that! My thread is under Beginners and Al Khubar with a photo added today of my attempt at clamping up the Rudders, see if you can find it from the Home screen etc. You can see a couple of shots that might help get the couplings aligned. A fellow Mayhemer suggested slipping a brass tube over the coupling / shaft etc and that has worked reasonably well, see if you can find them on my thread.
Keep up the good work!
Derek