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The Shipyard ( Dry Dock ): Builds & Questions => Navy - Military - Battleships: => Topic started by: David gray on March 13, 2018, 09:54:25 pm
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Hello I have just started a new build of a 1/96 scale type 42 hms Liverpool, I was originally going to build d89 hms exeter but after some research I preferred The later version with the phalanx and other mods , I have made a start on the main superstructure whilst I am waiting for the hull from Barry at sirmar I am
using the jecobin plans but it only shows the ship as she was in 1983 I want to do her in here last year's
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Welcome to the forum David, and what a start you have made :-)) The superstructure looks very crisp and clean. I cannot wait to see more.
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Hello David, welcome to the forum, I'm also building a T42. Mines HMS York, one of the batch 3 versions in 1/72 scale. I have just started to build the superstructure and have been pondering over how to create the curve at the front of the superstructure, how did you tackle this on your build? regards jon
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hello ,yes I have been watching your build looks superb. the curve on the superstructure wasn't as bad as I thought . this is what I did
first I traced the 2 sides and the upper deck and transferred them to 1.5mm sheet .then looking at the plan view of the ship on the plans I position the 2 sides with the deck on top of the plans
then in line with the straight sections of the bridge wings I cut a rectangle section and joined the 2 superstructure sides together then with the assembly back in position trace the lower curve
and make a piece that goes back to the rectangle section and glue in place whilst it is sat on the plan . then if you look at the down on the plan on the upper deck you will see the upper curve
about 2mm in from the front of the bridge I did the same again . traced and made a piece and glued it to the underside of the deck and back to the rectangle section this gives you the angle
then I glued a 1mm section to the curves and filled the end curves in with squadron filler. it is much easier then it is to explain .look at radiojoes hams Coventry build that is what I copied
hope this helps
regards david
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Running gear arived today from George sitek very nice
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Bit more progress the bridge is quite a challenging shape had a few attempts before I was happy, next is the olimpus filters
Still struggling to find any detailed photos of the ship as it was in her final Configuration
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That looks first class David.
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Hello David I have been looking in on your build and as you say you are keen to build your model of HMS Liverpool's as of her final period in service. If you wish I may be able to help , you can always PM me.
Bowwave
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Hi David check out your e-mail pictures sent. I trust they will be of some help .
Bowwave
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Thanks David they are a great help
Regards David
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Hi David you are very welcome only to pleased to be of assistance .
Bowwave
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been a while since I posted , struggling to find close up detail and images of the ship as she was in here final years
had a go at the Olympus air intake ,added the phalanx platforms and some upper detail
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some more photos
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That is a fine piece of modelmaking David. The mesh is straight and looks to scale, and the details look right. Sometimes you just have to stop and catch your breath and then once ready get back on the saddle. I can't wait to see more :-))
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Good to see you back posting David. Nice progress Sir!! Very crisp detail.
Nige
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thanks for your comments guys. The masts where always going to be a challenge just finished the forward masts quite pleased with the results this is largely down to the tiny pots of mechanical solder and a dermal butane torch works great even down to 0.3 brass rod
would be impossible with a soldering iron
regards David
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There has been a run of very complex masts recently! That is excellent and made from nearly every type of material I can think of (Excepting a few, but still :-)) )
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HI v- nice work on this type 42 batch 2 isn't it ? where is the start of the build ? if you don't mind me askin as it would be nice to see it an is this a static display or sailin . please exscuse the questions as im a newbie on this forum an only just seen your build as im hopein to see more I like the type 42 as I have scratchbuilt 2 type 42 but batch 3 in 1/64 scale HMS YORK D98 an HMS EDINBURGH D97 an they sailed brilliantly as they have a nice length an beam. B ut back to your build have you fitted an workin featuers an I will be following your build now ive found it -very nice work :-))
chris
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Hello , I have started the build with the front superstructer whilst I was waiting for the hull and running gear so I am going to continue building the
Superstructures before I start the hull , probably back to front I intend to make the model for sailing , hopefully make the 1022 radar rotate and some lighting
Regards David
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Amazing detail work, even as a RAF Crab I can recognise many features from the Type 42 superbly recreated in miniature. And I was only the Edinburgh for 8 hours!
It’ll look brilliant when you’ve finished.
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just finished the next sub assembly, there is quite a lot of detail in this part , the sirmar 1022 radar turned out better than I expected
I am going to get a 10rpm geared motor to rotate this so I have put a 3mm tube through the tower .
next I am going to get some paint on all these sub assembly's , I have decided to go with the matt light upper weatherworks grey as I think it looks better on smaller scale models than a semigloss finish and shows detail better when airbrushed finish , James at sovereign models now has 125ml tins of this , I am going to mix this with the 6 14ml tins I already have , so there should be enough to paint the whole model . there is nothing worse than painting half the model and running out of paint , then buying new paint only to find it is a different shade
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I know it's a kit, but there were so many occasions that the construction could have gone horribly wrong %% It looks really straight and square. Its times like these that I think it is such a shame to paint over all that work.
Gorgeous work David.
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just had the paint come from sovereign models , light weather works grey in matt finish looks really good much better in the 125ml tins
enough to paint the whole model
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Utterly superb David. Even slightly fuzzy, the detail is really special. I love the radar array and it's tower. :-)) :-)) :-))
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been a while since I posted but made a bit more progress the scot dome platforms where a bit tricky
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some more pics
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Outstanding workmanship. I take my hat off. Well done. :-))
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Great build David, keep the pictures coming.
Nige
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Amen. I love the detail and brasswork. It is first rate like Radio Joe's warship models and numerous others here.
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If we didn't know it was a model, and there were no distractions in the background, it would appear to be the real thing - fantastic workmanship, most inspiring :-))
Regards,
Ray.
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WOW the detail blows me away you do great work .
Rck
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Thanks for all your comments, wish the pictures where a bit better
I am using an old camera so the files aren’t to big
Regards David
Just the front domes and radar to make and Ariels to to add and this part is
Finished
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just about finished the upper structure now, Started to detail the lower structure , quite a bit of work fitting the hand rails and awning
rail used 0.3 brass wire for this. still a lot more detail to add before painting , also a geared motor to add for the 1022 radar
here are a few pics
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Fabulous detailing on your superstructure - very realistic.
Curiosity has got the better of me David, what is that 'pewter' looking object on the base of the radar?
Regards,
Ray.
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Hello Ray it's suppose to a R A S ( refueling at sea ) nozzle head , I bought this from fleetscale and it's supposed to be 1/96 scale but it looks to big
I have since removed it
Regards David
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Ah yes, I see that now, at first I thought it was the torso of a knight in armour {-) .
Yeah, definitely over scale for the RAS connection.
Thanks for the update...
Regards,
Ray.
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David...our RAN vessels use US compatible RAS ship receival connections for obvious reasons....[like a US refueler embarked with a US/RAN Naval exercise]
You may find all Countries aligned with NATO have their Naval vessels similarily equipped?...or taking it further, any Countries [vessels] currently aligned with the US Government Policy........Japan, The Phillipines, Vietnam?.....the list is mindless
The RAS hosed themselves are 4" bore, so the connection mouthpiece [lighweight non-corrosive stainless alloy] would be a nominal say ~~ 5" convoluted OD max
Derek
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Just watched a video of our two new RAN refuellers.........the RAS hoses appear far larger than the 4" bore I suggested earlier...
:embarrassed: things sure have changed over 32 years since I stepped onboard such vessels
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjpx8f5vuHlAhWHV30KHXxwD4IQMwhIKAAwAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.navy.gov.au%2Fsupply-class-aor&psig=AOvVaw3607Inoqqv4kFOtQ3PfjCz&ust=1573538797386266&ictx=3&uact=3
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Couldn't let it go without an answer %)
https://www.amdefencemarine.co.uk/what-we-do/defence/assault-courses/ (https://www.amdefencemarine.co.uk/what-we-do/defence/assault-courses/)
MIL- Spec RAS hoses range from 64 to 153 mm diameter :P
[When you back-check this, you will see that these Standards also apply to your RN]
With separate classifications to me
Derek
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HI David just been lookin at your build an very nice detailed an just wondered wheather you have your hull yet from sirmar ?
chris
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Hi Chris yes I didn’t have the hull when I started the superstructure so I have decided to build both structures before I start the hull
I have all the fittings and running gear also
It’s taking longer than it should because I am having to
Work a lot from photos to build the latest version of her
The jebinco plans are the Bly for the the 1983 version
Dave
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Coming along nicely David, following this build closely.
May I ask what you have used for the plastic coated wire removable handrails, such as those adjacent to the RAS station on the 1022 stump mast. Very realistic!
Nige
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Hi Nige I used 0.5mm brass wire for the fixed railings and 0.3 brass wire for the black platinum coated ones
Regards David
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painted the lower structure and attached the the upper structure started adding the rest of the detail
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FANTASTIC BUILD
CHRIS
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What wonderful work .
Rick
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HI David as I said wonderfull build an have you got your hull yet ?
chris
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It continues to be a super job David. You'll be making the hull next just to get the job completed :}
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made some more progress fitted all the lockers ,liferafts etc , the 3d printed fittings are much better than the
white metal ones such as the 20mm guns from 3d boats on the shapeways website
made the rear structure under the funnel and made a start on the main mast this was always going to be a challenge
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really impressive. If my build (HMS Exeter again in 1/96) comes out half as good as this I'll be over the moon. Can I ask a couple of questions on where you got a couple of bits as I'm struggling to find them. Namely the ships crest in on the front of the super structure, The wood name plates on the side and the brass stantions, I'm struggling with the white metal ones as the are too flimsy. Lastly does anyone know where I can get the scale lettering for the ships name at the stern?
My build has been on hold for 7 years, I'm now back on it but may strip it back to bare bones as there's bits I'm not happy with and I cant remember all that I learnt from people on various forums.
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Hello thanks for your comments, the ships crest
I made this from plastic card and painted it
The ships name is 1.5mm etched brass letters
From accurate armour stuck on a small piece
Of veneer
The stantions where from John Haynes fine
Model ships , they also sell these at scale warships . Com
Regards David
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HI Lovely work that you have done looks very realistic but I im just wondering when you get your hull ?
chris
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really impressive. If my build (HMS Exeter again in 1/96) comes out half as good as this I'll be over the moon. Can I ask a couple of questions on where you got a couple of bits as I'm struggling to find them. Namely the ships crest in on the front of the super structure, The wood name plates on the side and the brass stantions, I'm struggling with the white metal ones as the are too flimsy. Lastly does anyone know where I can get the scale lettering for the ships name at the stern?
My build has been on hold for 7 years, I'm now back on it but may strip it back to bare bones as there's bits I'm not happy with and I cant remember all that I learnt from people on various forums.
Im not sure how they are for 1/96 scale but people tend to use small lettering for oo gauge model railways for ship's name on the stern sides.
https://slatersplastikard.com/plastikard/alphabets.php
and examples
https://slatersplastikard.com/assets/pdfs/AlphabetFlyer.pdf
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:-)) Thanks for that, I remember Slaters now, I knew As soon as I saw the link. And I know I brought them but cant find them for love nor money.
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hi Chris here is the hull with George siteks running gear , when I have completed the forward structures and mast I will start the hull , looks like it will want a lot of internal bulkheads to pull it into the correct shape
and width , there is a lot of work to do on the hull there is no anchor recess , all the stabilizer's need to be
made and fitted to
dave
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HI DAVE sorry I havnt answered for a while as been busy on tiger an I just dint notice you had got your hull an she looks great is there anymore updates on her
chris :-))
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Lovely detail and effort on finish. Is the funnel a foam resin casting? If so, that is a great application of materials. You get a big solid casting with detail but at minimal weight. Whoever thought that one up is a lifesaver :-)) :-))
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Hello thanks for the comments, the funnel is a resin holow casting
Dave
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Hi, fantastic build awesome detail. Could you tell me where you got your hazard warning circles/arcs please as I have issues trying to make them.
Thanks Carl
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Have a look at Cornwall model boats they do the BECC Warning decals
https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000001.pl?WD=deck%20markings%20becc&PN=Becc%2dModel%2dAccessories%2dDeck%2dMarkings%2dSet%2dB%2dDECK0196%2ehtml#SID=595 (https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000001.pl?WD=deck%20markings%20becc&PN=Becc%2dModel%2dAccessories%2dDeck%2dMarkings%2dSet%2dB%2dDECK0196%2ehtml#SID=595)
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Has anyone got any good tips on getting the correct angle and curve on the front of type 42 superstructure, I'm having difficulty in getting it to right and decent. I'm building the Exeter its been 8 years in the making but with work its hard to find the time, but as Im recovering from a stroke its given me the opportunity to get back on it.
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I built the front of the s/s as a separate unit using the upper and lower curves from the Jecobin plans as templates to get the angle and curve. I first used card to get the shape of the curved font. A few pictures will hopefully explain better.
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I built the front of the s/s as a separate unit using the upper and lower curves from the Jecobin plans as templates to get the angle and curve. I first used card to get the shape of the curved font. A few pictures will hopefully explain better.
What thickness was the styrene, 1.5mm? Thats the thickness I've been using and I found it really hard to get it to bend around the corners tightly while looking symmetrical, I thought about using 2 layers of .76mm sheet but thought there must be an easier way.
The pictures have been a great help, thanks :-))
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The styrene bent around the front was 1mm and I seem to remember I used a hair dryer to soften it slightly. You have to get it just right or it goes too soft. The supports were 1.5 or 2mm.
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The styrene bent around the front was 1mm and I seem to remember I used a hair dryer to soften it slightly. You have to get it just right or it goes too soft. The supports were 1.5 or 2mm.
Thanks you have been most helpful, I just need to work out the best way on how fill out 1/2mm difference between the s/s side walls and the front. Ill give it a go later when the wife goes out so she doesnt see me using her hair dryer {-) {-)
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What thickness was the styrene, 1.5mm? Thats the thickness I've been using and I found it really hard to get it to bend around the corners tightly while looking symmetrical, I thought about using 2 layers of .76mm sheet but thought there must be an easier way.
The pictures have been a great help, thanks :-))
Try 'pulling' the styrene over the curved edge of a worktop. This will help bend the plasticard. Obviously this is more difficult with a small piece of card so you may need to use a larger piece than required and cut down.
You can also wrap the card round the superstructure overlapping that on the sides then make a 90 degree cut through both pieces to get a straight edge. then use fine filler to hide the joint.
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Sorry to be a pain but the more I look at your excellent build the more detail I find and Id like to put onto my build of the Exeter, so can I ask where you got the following items from
The resin speakers (I've got white metal ones and I need some more) or did make moulds and cast your own
The main radar (again I have the one from Sirmar) but I would like to get my hands on a complete photo etched version, but can only find them in 1/72 scale
The range and array of ladders, I'm struggling to find them including the companion ladder on the quarter deck.
The Most impressive thing is the hoses in the basket, I've been fretting on how I was going to to do them or even find them on line.
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Have you tried shapeways 3d specialists
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Has anyone got any good tips on getting the correct angle and curve on the front of type 42 superstructure, I'm having difficulty in getting it to right and decent. I'm building the Exeter its been 8 years in the making but with work its hard to find the time, but as Im recovering from a stroke its given me the opportunity to get back on it.
I would suggest trying printers lithoplate (can get as scrap from a printer)or thin aluminium alloy sheet. It can be progressively bent until you get the curve you are looking for.
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finally finished the main mast . I think this is the hardest part on the ship to make fairly confident should be able to finish the ship now , the radar from 3dboats looks really good
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next step paint and rigging
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This detail is getting a little mind boggling David O0 .....Bravo....
With the mix of plastics + brass in the Mast, what type of universal primer will you use and will you be using airbrush, or rattlecan application?
watching on in anticipation............
Derek
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I use the Tamiya surface primer made for plastic and metals , I always airbrush everything with a good quality
airbrush , been using enamel from colourcoats for the main colour but otherwise I use Vallejo acyrlic
for everything else
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HI SIMPLY fanstastic your modeling is an could you please tell me where you got you xmas tree anntenas from as i need some ? cheers :-))
chris
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That mast is so fine! Beautiful work all round :-))
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Hello which antennas are you meaning
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I see what you mean now all the white metal and resin fittings where from Barry at sirmar
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OK DAVE CHEERS
chris :-))
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finished painting the main mast , next detail the rear upper structure and funnel
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I think that I read, recently, that pubs were becoming a dying institution. Now I know why. Your mast is a piece of art, then again, so is the entire superstructure. Did you solder the brass together while it was one the mast? I am hard pressed to explain another way.
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Hi Akira yes i drilled 1mm holes in the mast , slotted in the 1mm brass rod and positioned it all so all i had to do was add a small amount of solder paste and just
give it a touch with the dremal butane torch , started at the top and worked down the mast . it was easier than i thought it was going to be
just finished the structure beneath the funnel
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Wow just tried to order the lightweather works grey, only one tin and they want £16 postage, no way, sadly
Bob
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That’s ridiculous wonder why it’s so much I didn’t pay that much
I had a large tin and some thinners
Is this from sovereign hobbies?
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david
Yes it is, they say as the tin is classed as dangerous goods. Quite hopeful as I either have the pussers grey (borrowed from Lusty) or I can get it in aerosol or liquid from local stockist, but aeroslol is not exactly a fine painting tool :} :}
Bob
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been a while since i posted , finished the forward supper structure now apart from a few small details , also constructed the rear hanger this is now ready for painting then all the upper fittings to add
next i am going to start the hull im expecting this to come together a lot quicker
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Welcome back David. Two words, Stunning Work!
Nige
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are there any further progress images on this build?