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HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« on: December 06, 2008, 01:20:16 PM »

I will be posting updates on my current project, HMS Tireless in 1/64, in her 2004 guise. She is based on an old Eden/ Sheerline Trafalgar hull (the current Sheerline Trafalgar has a few updates). I purchased this second hand (this hull has been halfway around the world, to the States, France and now now back home) and some work had already been done, notably to the sail and side flank sonar arrays, which I have continued. The original propulsor shroud was replaced with a more scale like version which will require a little more profiling before its right.

I acquired this hull early in the year and started renovating and accurizing her but neglected to take suitable pictures. I have just started on her again and will be documenting a little more thoroughly this time.  The full series of pictures will be on my website, with only the poignant ones here for clarity. I only purchased the hull, so I will be building a watertight module for her on the same vein as the one on my Akula ( which has pr oven very reliable to date) but with a few refinements.





Here are are the some parts of the hull. Bits weren't fitting to my satisfaction, so I have stripped everything back to start again. I have done some work on the planes and ballast tank vents.







There are some extra holes and tubes fitted to the lower hull (the original builder was going to fit a  different type of ballast system) which will need to be removed and filled and the tile pattern re-scribed.


There is a gap between the the shroud and propulsor which will need to be filled and profile which is the next task.

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2008, 02:07:09 PM »

Ramesh, What's the inside diameter of the shroud, and the diameter of the propulsor?

I ask because I'm wondering if the Vanguard propulsor might fill out the gap for you. I'm sure Simon would cast you up a separate prop for a reasonable price if you're lucky with the dimensions.

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2008, 02:25:47 PM »

Thanks Andy, I have actually made a start filling out the gap with putty and sanding back, and its actally turning out better than I hoped. Its too late to get a measurement of the inside of the shroud now without chiping off the filler. Obviously if it all goes belly up I'll give that a go.

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2008, 05:00:27 PM »

Hi Mankster,

I will watch with interest as always
regards Sub.
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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2008, 06:17:01 PM »

Ramesh, stick a link in to youre site please, googling a big fat zero
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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2008, 06:30:37 PM »

Ramesh, stick a link in to youre site please, googling a big fat zero
colin

Click on the little globe under my avatar, the link under my signature or from my profile page, take your pick..... ok2


Ok here you go....  www.rcmodelsubmarines.co.uk
(graphic intensive flash based site, those on dial up beware)

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2008, 06:59:29 PM »

Good luck with it Ramesh, I know it will be perfect...

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2008, 08:15:55 PM »

This should put other T's in the shade - glad I'm selling mine!

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2008, 07:26:46 PM »

Thanks guys, my aim is to make it as true to scale in appearance and performance as possible.


I filled the gap between the propulsor and shroud with epoxy putty and sanded it smooth and it came out rather well. Given that there is no puplic information on how the real one looks exactly, I can live this  :-) The new profile of the exterior of the reworked shroud is better seen in the second picture.



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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2008, 12:05:21 PM »

The top an bottom hull donít quite meet at the stern. It will clamp together but I didnít want to put any tension into to the hull. Small gaps can normally be filled  but then the stern wouldnít taper smoothly to the propulsion cone.



I made a vertical cut with a razor saw, but not all the way so as to separate the top hull into 2.



 I then jimmied a 50p coin into the top which opened up a gap enough to push the stern of the top hull down to meet the bottom perfectly.



I used epoxy putty to fill the gap

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2008, 04:33:36 PM »

The propulsor has come out better than I thought it would.

What motor are you going to be using for drive?

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2008, 08:01:11 PM »

I haven't figured what motor to use yet. Its probably going outside the dive module so I am flexible. I was thinking along the lines of a Graupner 720 Torque motor (4100rpm no load) on direct drive. I think Sheerline supply a 550 type motor with a 5:1 gearbox. I am not sure if this is a commercial unit or an inhouse item. I wonder if a gearbox will add bulk and noise.

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2008, 09:16:14 PM »

I think a 720BB will work very well . The Trafalgar's I've seen use a planetary gearbox for reduction, which are very compact. But you have a lot of room inside the hull for a larger motor.

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2008, 10:18:03 AM »

The hull is moulded thickly with polyester resin and is self supporting, hence the top hull is designed to sit entirely on the bottom and be removed in 1 piece. This makes hooking up the top rudder a little harder. To help with alignment and simply the rudder arrangement, I have gone the more common way & cut the back of the top hull and will bond it to the bottom.



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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2008, 09:52:42 AM »

Some hull detail.






I have taken a break from the hull and moved on to the dive module. Once again I am making the innards out of PVC.



Here are the 10 discs that will go to making the entire module. The outer 2
4 discs will be the endcaps, and the slightly small diameter central 6 will form the module (not shown is the central servo/equipment tray)

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2008, 11:24:30 AM »

comin along a treat.
hope you figure out a wat too make the hull stay joined. dont fancy rescuing a top half again.
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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2008, 01:44:17 PM »

I would use that little 'widget' that is sited forward of the conning tower as a fastner. Either attach a machine screw to it's underside, or (better) make a baynet lock pin (think of a  light bulb) that attaches underneath. Invisible, and bomb proof.

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2008, 02:32:24 PM »

With the Akula, I had to pack quite a bit of foam into to the upper hull to stop her rolling. So it was pretty buoyant and kept wanting to rip itself off when submerged, a more positive locking mechanism would have been the way to go with that boat. The Typhoon had the same system but at the top hull wasnt positively buoyant, and there was no such problem. I'll wait and see how this one turns out  :-)

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2008, 04:22:25 PM »

on the other hand its so much more fun to watch SOMEONESELSES boat sail in 2 seperate directions
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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2008, 06:01:20 PM »

I'll be passing by the model shop this week. They used to have some Protech 720BB's in stock £16-17 IIRC. Would you like me to pick one up if they still have any?

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2008, 07:00:09 PM »

looking well mate, just started on the WTC for my Vanguard this afternoon,I'm makng the end caps in Resin (As I did for my Gato), turned down & fitted with O rings,I used Perspex on the Alpha but it was a struggle on my small lathe.

I'll set up a build post when I get going a bit more.

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2008, 07:40:06 PM »

I'll be passing by the model shop this week. They used to have some Protech 720BB's in stock £16-17 IIRC. Would you like me to pick one up if they still have any?

I'll be fitting the motor/ gearbox from the Sheerline Trafalgar, it seems to work very well on 12v with the propulsor and is pretty compact. I plan to use the WTC is my Alfa hull and that has a pretty heavy  prop, so a 720BB would come in handy. So yes please- get me one if they still have some. I should be able to make the morning session of Brockwell Lido Sub run on the 11th of next month, so I'll pick it up there.

looking well mate, just started on the WTC for my Vanguard this afternoon,I'm makng the end caps in Resin (As I did for my Gato), turned down & fitted with O rings,I used Perspex on the Alpha but it was a struggle on my small lathe.

I'll set up a build post when I get going a bit more.

Ahh good..., Tireless will have a SSBN to accompany, if not at one of the  Brockwell runs, at Norwich in the summer.

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2008, 07:45:32 PM »

Hoping to be on the water by the Feb run, PC & I are going to pay you a visit.

Itching to get started on the V, my lad's away on the real thing at the moment - under the water till March!

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2008, 09:36:44 PM »

The other alternative would be to look at a brushless motor. Robbe do a nice unit which they're using on the 212 kit.

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Re: HMS Tireless 1/64 Build
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2008, 09:32:21 AM »

I have finished cutting out and drilling all the pvc pieces that will go to make the innards of the WTC. Just have to cut the rods and tubes that will hold everything together. Total length will be 85cm/33.5" with a diameter of 110cm/ 4.5". The motor will be house in a smaller separate dedicated WTC which will be specific for the boat while the main module can be moved. Batteries will be 2x 12v NiHM packs housed under the WTC, in the wet area of the sub.

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