Topic: Help with id wooden hull poss cabin cruiser ? (Read 8595 times)

John East · « **on:** April 20, 2009, 07:36:37 pm »

Hi
This boat hull was given to me the other day, its about 34 inches long and about 11 inches wide, its made of ply and been made very similar to a Aerokits type hull, with laminated stringers, and reinforced keel. It looks sort of Huntsman ish, but its not , its not a Swordsman.
Anyone recognise it ?

Thanks John

Vintage · « **Reply #1 on:** April 20, 2009, 07:48:47 pm »

Hi John

I might be wrong but the deck line & bow look very much like the Pilot Boat from Lesro which was a "Scale model of the Great Yarmouth & Hartlepool pilot boats" - according to an old KeilKraft handbook.

The model was similar to "Aerokits" construction & measured 33.75" long x 10.5" beam.

Hope this helps

Mark

nhp651 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 20, 2009, 08:10:59 pm »

it's not one of those. vintage.........i'm building one at the moment and the hull is a carvel hull [ rounded bilge] where as the boat in the pic is a "chined" hull with the distinct edge running down the length.
the Lesro boats were based on the Nelson pilot boat design and hull.
haven't goty a clue what it is though.

Vintage · « **Reply #3 on:** April 20, 2009, 08:51:47 pm »

You might be right nhp - particularly if you're in the process of building one.

I have to say that the particularly distinctive bow, deck line & keel are very similar though, the size is about right as well.

Have scanned the image & attached.

If it's not that then I've not got a clue either - sorry.

Mark.

toesupwa · « **Reply #4 on:** April 20, 2009, 09:55:08 pm »

The only Aerokits model of that length is the Sea Commander..
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1952846

You might be able to identify it compared to the Sea Commander on here..
http://pic6.piczo.com/fireboat/

Or if not, see if there is anything Aerokits that looks like it on here..
http://modelfireboats.com/

John East · « **Reply #5 on:** April 21, 2009, 08:59:44 am »

Hi Chaps,

Looks to me like the Lesro Pilot Boat, would make sense because of the Les Rowel connection.

Thanks to all for having a look.

Cheers John

nhp651 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 21, 2009, 09:24:30 pm »

I tell you, john......it's NOT a lesro pilot boat.......they came with a fitted deck of grp that lapped over the hull like a tupperwere box lid, and DIDN'T havd a chine line on the hull. they were all rounded bilge as i said before.

Circlip · « **Reply #7 on:** April 22, 2009, 11:40:16 am »

Sorry for having the audacity to disagree nhp, but the review in "Radio Control Boat Modeller" July-August 1986 by Robert Green shows the frames to have hard chine connections. The picky's aren't good enough to scan due to lack of contrast and c4ap semi-gloss printing paper. Only thing that seems to be missing are the chine stringers on Johns photo.

Regards Ian.

Can you do a plan view shot John??

John East · « **Reply #8 on:** April 22, 2009, 11:53:41 am »

Hi Chaps
Well this is getting interesting.

Ok, the advert for Lesro Models April 84 Model Boats, states all kit are Designed by LJ Rowell, and each kit produced from high quality plywood and obeche.
No mention of GRP.

However I did find this, perhaps this is what nhp has got ? http://www.rchobby.co.uk/pilot_boat.html

Perhaps you can post a photo nhp ?.

Its also very close to the Lesro Sportsman, but its not I have one of those as well.

All the best and Thanks John

Vintage · « **Reply #9 on:** April 22, 2009, 12:30:21 pm »

Hi John

Not sure what ref. you have of the Lesro Pilot Boat but I just found this & it might help if you intended to remake the superstructure.

How did you get on with the Sea Hornet restoration you posted about earlier in the year?

Mark.

John East · « **Reply #10 on:** April 22, 2009, 12:52:32 pm »

Hi Mark.

Thanks for those pictures, very helpfull. The Sea Hornet is nearly done,I have made all the windscreen surround in polished aluminum just to give it a bit of bling, great but time consuming! also had to finish off a another project that was in the way, (Triumph stag engines change) which meant the boats had to be put on hold, However that project is nearly finished now, so Iam hoping soon to be back on my boats very soon. Ive actually picked up 4 at the local auction a Dumas Catalina, a Billings sailing motor yacht, another Sea Hornet plus a kit of the Endeavor, that I sold on E bay. Trouble is I was supposed to sell all them to make Money !!. Myself and my missus both now technically unemployed. Trouble is I love model boats !. I even picked up a Veron Marlin yesterday, very pleased with that, been in some old boys shed for years !. I guessing that you are keen on older models ?. What have you got?. Perhaps you could PM me.

Cheers John

nhp651 · « **Reply #11 on:** April 22, 2009, 02:01:45 pm »

I'm sorry circlip that you have to stretch to "audacity", lol,

(joke mate)

But the Nelson pilot boats as built under licence by companies in GB don't have hard chines, and Neither does the Lesro , Nelson 45' pilot boat as the pics below show of a Lesro 45 hull that I have.

I also have builders plans from the company that built the "Flying Christine 111" which is a Nelson 45 and they don't have hard chine either.
Sorry.

Vintage · « **Reply #12 on:** April 22, 2009, 02:20:20 pm »

With respect nhp

the hull in your photos looks completely different to the one in Johns original post.

My original photos suggest that the Lesro model did have a "chined" hull - perhaps not as the original boat but, maybe, to simplify its wooden, Aerokits type construction?

Anyway - glad the photos are useful John, will see if I can dig out some more sometime & PM you.

I'm very interested in the older models &, it seems we share an interest in classic cars

am currently trying to resolve a very irritating ignition problem

Will be in touch

Mark

nhp651 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 22, 2009, 02:31:29 pm »

yes vintage but he said it was a lesro. I was saying it wasn't.

Vintage · « **Reply #14 on:** April 22, 2009, 02:38:32 pm »

Meant to say - the hull in my photos of an actual Lesro model looks nothing like the hull in the photos you've posted - for a start the transom line is completely different & clearly shows a "chined" hull.....

I guess we'll have to agree to differ

Mark

nhp651 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 22, 2009, 03:07:06 pm »

I've totally modified the stern Myself Vintage to fit the Nelson 45' pilot hull.
Thats why it won't look like the Lesro hull you have, but even the shorter of the Lesro pilot boat hulls ( there were two length boats that they did originally- a 45" and one about 28") didn't have the chine line running down the builge from front to back like the blue one in his original photos does.
And Lesro based the grp hull definately on the Nelson 45' pilot boat.
Also, the hull I have is definately a Lesro 45' pilot boat.

Circlip · « **Reply #16 on:** April 22, 2009, 07:02:33 pm »

The hull John pictured IS a Lesro pilot boat, Marks picture from the Cat says Lesro, the build and test report I sent to John says Lesro, so I think we can safely say the hull that John has is the ORIGINAL Lesro pilot boat QED

Regards Ian

Where did "Nelson" type spring from?????

nemesis · « **Reply #17 on:** April 22, 2009, 07:48:53 pm »

Keith Nelson did a range of launches ie pilot boats etc in the 70s, especially the Nelson 40.
cheers Nemesis

nhp651 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 22, 2009, 08:57:53 pm »

I beg to differ, circlip, and no amount of quod erat demonstrandum will convince me, as you haven't shown any proof.
also, it is a known fact in the modelling world that Lesro based his pilot boat on the NELSON Design, and that is where Nelson comes from.

Jindivik · « **Reply #19 on:** April 23, 2009, 05:07:31 pm »

Is it the Lesro Sportsman hull?

nhp651 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 23, 2009, 05:50:41 pm »

could well be!

John East · « **Reply #21 on:** April 23, 2009, 06:32:28 pm »

Hi Chaps
No its not a Sportsman, I have one of those, very similar though.

Its the same as the one in the Magazine that Vintage refereed to, So I am pretty sure its a Lesro Pilot Boat.

However its nothing like nhp's boat. So maybe Lesro made two versions ?.

Thanks for everyones help,

All the best John

Del-boy1958 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 27, 2009, 11:26:13 am »

Hi Guys
I built the Lesro pilot boat an the late eighties and that was ply skins on ply frames Aerokits style
and that hull is the same one...The cabin on the original kit is in two parts the front section and then the rear
wheel house the split being by the windscreen.
it should have obichie spray rails pinned to hull as well.

I hope this help

Derek

Circlip · « **Reply #23 on:** April 27, 2009, 11:51:47 am »

Can't be Derek, you haven't posted any pikkies, you must have built something else, the Nelson has Round bilges.

Did the Aqua-Bell design have chines??

Regards Ian.

glowworm · « **Reply #24 on:** April 27, 2009, 04:51:28 pm »

hi john,
if you are not sure if this hull is a lesro model why don't you just ring the shop and ask for "daryl" and email him a picture. shop No is -- 01202 499354 this is christchurch in dorset. in case the moderators remove the number you can also find "lesro models" on the web.
cheers,
chris. glowworm.

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