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Re: British S Class
« Reply #35 on: May 29, 2012, 03:03:12 PM »

What sort of Diving times are you looking for? Unlike modern nukes, WWII boats could crash dive very quickly if required. If you want to ape that, then it will dictate your diving system.

I think the ballast volume for these boats is around the 1.5 litre mark, Bob Dimmack at OTW would be able to confirm or deny that, or you can find it out via empirical methods.

What sort of pumped ballast system are you looking at- a sealed tank pressurized system, a bag, or a vented tank?

Pump wise, you can use centrifugal or positive displacement pumps. Peristaltics will be very slow unless you use either a very large pump, or run lots in parallel- impractical. Centrifugal types move a lot of water very quickly, but are unidrectional. They're used in Sheerline modules, so that's a fairly good pedigree. Geared pumps are popular, although they don't match centrifugal types for speed, they can run both ways and reach high pressure easily. For small to medium size models, the little orange/red geared pumps are widely used. Unfortunately production has shifted from Europe to China, and quality is now a little variable- they seem to have tinkered with the plastic used for construction, but they're available cheaply on ebay for about a seven quid. I would say you'd need to fit two in parallel unless you want to wait over a minute for your boat to dive.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BN-Universal-12V-Lucas-Type-Windscreen-Washer-Pump-/290716827194?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item43b012be3a

Kavan produce a geared pump, it has more capacity than the orange pumps, and uses brass instead of plastic gears. You can also purchase new seals for this pump, so it should last a very long time in a model. It is well regarded as a rugged bit of kit, and pumps about 1.8 litres a minute at 12 volts, so a dive time of about 45 seconds, or fit two in parallel if that is too slow. They tend to cost about £20-30 depending on where you buy them.

http://www.kavanrc.com/IndexText/0190E.html

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Re: British S Class
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2012, 08:30:02 AM »

I managed to find a picture of Bernies s class tower, I knew I had one some where, it was driving me nut's!!! Not bad this for a 1/50th model, before the day's of photo etching.


Not sure if this is the same boat looks it though nice boat

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Re: British S Class
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2012, 01:09:13 PM »

What sort of Diving times are you looking for? Unlike modern nukes, WWII boats could crash dive very quickly if required. If you want to ape that, then it will dictate your diving system.

I think the ballast volume for these boats is around the 1.5 litre mark, Bob Dimmack at OTW would be able to confirm or deny that, or you can find it out via empirical methods.

What sort of pumped ballast system are you looking at- a sealed tank pressurized system, a bag, or a vented tank?

Pump wise, you can use centrifugal or positive displacement pumps. Peristaltics will be very slow unless you use either a very large pump, or run lots in parallel- impractical. Centrifugal types move a lot of water very quickly, but are unidrectional. They're used in Sheerline modules, so that's a fairly good pedigree. Geared pumps are popular, although they don't match centrifugal types for speed, they can run both ways and reach high pressure easily. For small to medium size models, the little orange/red geared pumps are widely used. Unfortunately production has shifted from Europe to China, and quality is now a little variable- they seem to have tinkered with the plastic used for construction, but they're available cheaply on ebay for about a seven quid. I would say you'd need to fit two in parallel unless you want to wait over a minute for your boat to dive.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BN-Universal-12V-Lucas-Type-Windscreen-Washer-Pump-/290716827194?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item43b012be3a

Kavan produce a geared pump, it has more capacity than the orange pumps, and uses brass instead of plastic gears. You can also purchase new seals for this pump, so it should last a very long time in a model. It is well regarded as a rugged bit of kit, and pumps about 1.8 litres a minute at 12 volts, so a dive time of about 45 seconds, or fit two in parallel if that is too slow. They tend to cost about £20-30 depending on where you buy them.

http://www.kavanrc.com/IndexText/0190E.html



45 seconds would be ok but like the idea of two pumps. At work I do a lot of electrical work in computer suites for banks and government so it’s all dual supplies etc for resilience so if something fails there is a back up, so I would adopt the same idea here its cost a fair bit so far so do not want to lose it in the local lake. I know its extra weight, space and drain on the battery but could use it as a backup not a running system. I would go for the sealed tank as it’s nice and simple and like you said pumps are quite cheap. Will look into end caps for the tube I’m guessing Marks model bits would be a good place to start. Had a chance to do some more work recently so detailing the conning tower. I have made all the towers removable along with the binnacle make it easier for painting. Not happy with the hand rail its far too large so have some smaller ones to fit from modelling timbers.



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Re: British S Class
« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2012, 02:01:59 PM »

Not sure if this is the same boat looks it though nice boat



Yep, that's Bernie's Stoic...I can't remember if that was taken at Plumpton or Sandown Show.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #39 on: May 30, 2012, 03:00:01 PM »

Hi guy's. I reckon that must have been Plumton, I can't ever remember car's by the boating pool at Sandown. Tomp, you seem to be getting on well with the s class, keep at it, and you will have a hell of a model when it is finished. And all so, you seem to have started a thread which has brought back a few good memories for some of us. I don't want to confuse thing's to much, but this is one of the water pumps that I have used, and they are very good. As I said before, if you want this pump to start experimenting, pm me your address details and I will send it too you free of charge. can't get much cheaper than that eh! They can be brought from caravan accessory places. Got to go now, working on, working depth charges for my model destroyer, got to keep the u boat's out of the model boating lake!!!!!!!!
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #40 on: May 30, 2012, 04:04:03 PM »

That looks like the Shurflo nautilus pump that OTW use in their dive modules.
 
They pump either way, and the flow rate is great, but I don't think they work at the higher pressures needed for a selaed tank-

http://pdf.directindustry.com/pdf/shurflo/transfer-pumps-winterizing-pumps-nautilus-10-gpm/17320-68904-_2.html.

If you look at OTW modules, the tank vents into the fore and aft dry spaces (probes are fitted into the tank with electronics to shut the pump off so you don't flood the module), so the pressure never reaches more than a few psi. With a sealed tank you need to be able to pump up beyond 50psi to get 70% of the tank full, a geared pump will make that pressure easily, but looking at the chart this pump will stall beyond 15 psi.

You could have the pump connected to a ballast bag housed inside the wtc. By using this method, you bypass the need for probes and electronics to control water level, and at the same time becuase the air is being compressed inside the whole module instead of just the tank, you keep the pressure down, so the pump can do it's job easily.

Suitable bags would be the types you can find on ebay used for urine (yes I know!!). There are models available with 2L capacity, which is more than you require, but the bag can be located inside a smaller plastic cylinder with a couple of holes drilled in. This cylinder constricts the volume to what you require, and holds the ballast in  the correct position.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-Urine-Bag-2000ml-Anti-reflux-PRIVATE-LISTING?item=270713571849&cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26itu%3DI%252BUA%26otn%3D12%26pmod%3D270727235138%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8783153804173554039

You will need a shut off valve to prevent water pushing back through the pump. A servo pinch valve might be a bit ambitious- these pumps have large bore tubing. You can purchase solenoid control valves designed for water (don't use ones for gass, they tend to corrode).

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-DC-1-2-Electronic-Solenoid-Valve-Water-Air-/300480064600?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Automation_Control_ET&hash=item45f601ec58

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Re: British S Class
« Reply #41 on: May 30, 2012, 05:12:17 PM »

Hi there subculture. That is right, it is all coming back to me now. With you expertise on this subject, do you think that you could come up with a system, that people could use in there sub's. The price of ready made modules and dive systems, is what is putting me of from going back to model submarines. You could take orders, get the part's needed, write, draw, the instructions, and the customer could assemble it all on there work bench. I am no expert at all on electronics, I just enjoy the building and end result. What do you think?
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2012, 09:40:53 AM »

Ah I think I’m starting to understand a bit more. I thought the OTW module was a sealed tube but in fact it displaces the air into the other sections hence not such a high pressure pump is needed. I'm assuming that the probes are level sensors that stop the pump and close a solenoid valve. Maybe a silly question but hopefully you will put me right, would a car or motorbike fuel pump be up to it? They should be able to cope with the higher pressure not sure if they will work in reverse though or what the flow rate would be like. I can understand why the pre built WTC are expensive there is a lot of design work and technology that go into them, just I can't afford the £800 plus for one the wife wants a holiday.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2012, 09:58:00 AM »

Hi guy's. I reckon that must have been Plumton, I can't ever remember car's by the boating pool at Sandown. Tomp, you seem to be getting on well with the s class, keep at it, and you will have a hell of a model when it is finished. And all so, you seem to have started a thread which has brought back a few good memories for some of us. I don't want to confuse thing's to much, but this is one of the water pumps that I have used, and they are very good. As I said before, if you want this pump to start experimenting, pm me your address details and I will send it too you free of charge. can't get much cheaper than that eh! They can be brought from caravan accessory places. Got to go now, working on, working depth charges for my model destroyer, got to keep the u boat's out of the model boating lake!!!!!!!!
Cheers
Phil


Hi Phil, Well finally I'm getting a bit more time to work on it have to say they are very impressive Subs from OTW I want a type 7 when I finish this. I bet that’s fun live depth charges, my dad used to be a member of Gloucestershire model boat club and another member I think his name was Stan Robinson did the same just used a little too much one time blew his destroyer up, thankfully wasn't too much damage great model builder also I think he was into subs can't remember to well it was a long time ago. Messed about making running torpedoes for little while using reed switches and scalextric motors and AA batteries, need to concentrate on the sub first then will play with that. I will PM you my address really appreciate the help. Cheers Tom
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2012, 10:28:31 AM »

Good grief, there's a name from the past...Stan Robinson. I new him well, from way back...he had a lovely Darnell S class, then bought an Engel Gato from John Robinson...it was absolutely chockablock with electronics.


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Re: British S Class
« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2012, 01:16:18 PM »

Found a fuel pump with these details might be a bit power hungry though but can work around that also read that fuel pump will be fine to reverse could be wrong though
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Inlet - 12mm push on

Outlet - 8mm push on

Flow rate - approx. 135ltr/hr @ 3bar

Max pressure  - 8.5bar

Am I right in thinking if it will do 135ltr in an hour it will do 2.25ltr in a minute so less than a minute dive time if I have a 2ltr sealed tank?

So if that was controlled via 2 DPST relays with 5v DC coil I could switch it forwards and backwards from 2 switched outputs off the receiver, and if I double up off the live outputs from the relay to a 12v solenoid valve I can open and close that also. To stop the pump when the tank is full all I need is float switch to break the supply from the fill relay to the pump and Bobs your uncle.

That was it I remember Stans sub being brown can't remember what it was though. Yeah he was very good with the electronics side of things.

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Re: British S Class
« Reply #46 on: May 31, 2012, 03:08:25 PM »

I'm assuming that the probes are level sensors that stop the pump and close a solenoid valve.

Maybe a silly question but hopefully you will put me right, would a car or motorbike fuel pump be up to it?

There are three probes, two at the top, one at the bottom, the controller stops the pump when empty or full and actuates the valve. The Shurflo nautilus pumps don't like being run dry. With a sealed tank or a bag, you don't need all these electronics, which simplifies things, and reduces cost. Another advantage is that you're not compressing humid air into the dry spaces. A sealed tank will need to be bigger than the equivalent on an OTW boat, as the latter can use about 90% of the volume of the tank, whereas the former generally about 70%, a bag can typically pump to the capacity allowed it by a constraining jacket.

Fuel pumps aren't any good really. They make good pressure, but they're designed to pump fuel, not water, so the internals tend to corrode if you use them in submarines.

If you have the time, tools and talent, building a dive module needn't be an expensive process. The cost of components for a water pump system is typically under £30, the main expense being the pump itself. The rest of the module is just sheet material and the tubing. You can save a bundle by buying offcuts, or using salvaged materials.

PVC tubing is much cheaper than acrylic- often free if you keep an eye on builders skips- and much tougher, but is typically filled, so opaque. Most people like the concept of a transparent cylinder so they can see all the stuff working, which means acrylic, polycarbonate or unfilled PVC. In the UK the latter two are expensive and more difficult to source, which is why acrylic is more widely used.

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« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2012, 03:44:46 PM »

Hi there guy's. Stan Robinson, I remember the name really well. He has made some fantastic models, he all way's used to be in the model boat mag's, years ahead of his time. I all so heard, the he "watted up" his tx so much, that when he switched on, every body's tv in a 3 mile radius went out!!! I'm sure that he used to sail his boats, and ships at the reservoir at Bournville. oh, and all so that he used connect his tx up to a tv areail  by the lake side! Fantastic bloke, a real inspiration to me at the time.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2012, 03:44:45 PM »

Got myself a fuel pump for a Mercedes C240 for £20 tried it yesterday to pump out water from a bucket good flow rate just need to work out why it won't pump backwards. I think it might be because it primes going forwards but working in reverse doesn't will keep playing
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« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2012, 05:32:46 PM »

Got myself a fuel pump for a Mercedes C240 for £20 tried it yesterday to pump out water from a bucket good flow rate just need to work out why it won't pump backwards. I think it might be because it primes going forwards but working in reverse doesn't will keep playing
Fuel pumps for injected engines are generally roller type where the rollers turn in a chamber and compress as they turn to force the fluid out and it is due to the shape of the chamber only work in 1 direction and usually of metal construction and without fuel to lubricate the parts as Andy says you will find they will corrode very quickly
 
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« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2012, 09:41:45 PM »

Fuel pumps for injected engines are generally roller type where the rollers turn in a chamber and compress as they turn to force the fluid out and it is due to the shape of the chamber only work in 1 direction and usually of metal construction and without fuel to lubricate the parts as Andy says you will find they will corrode very quickly
 
Ah I see, Ive taken the old pipes off and it looks like the turbine on the front of a jet engine inside, lots of very small blades which are not angled in any direction if you understand what I mean. I will try get a picture of it onto here. Will mess around over the weekend see what I can do with it if anything take on board about the corrosion see what happens to it
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2012, 12:46:35 PM »

Hi there Tomp. I have posted the water pump to you today, it should be with you about Thursday. I had to send it second class, as it cost me a small fortune to send the photo's of u 505 over to the states!!! He should be quiet happy when he opens the packet though. Happy to help.
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« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2012, 12:14:03 PM »

Hi there Tomp. I have posted the water pump to you today, it should be with you about Thursday. I had to send it second class, as it cost me a small fortune to send the photo's of u 505 over to the states!!! He should be quiet happy when he opens the packet though. Happy to help.
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Hi Phil, Pump arrived today many thanks really appreciate the help Tom

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Re: British S Class
« Reply #53 on: June 12, 2012, 07:37:48 PM »

No excuses now then!

Be interesting to know if those nautilus pumps will pump against a vacuum. The spec says they'll pump up to about one atmosphere (max). I use a 500ml pop bottle to test out pumps. They take pressure well and are quick and easy to adapt. I just drill a hole in the cap, hot glue in a piece of metal tubing and attach a piece of pipe which is then connected to the pump being tested.

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« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2012, 09:33:06 PM »

No excuses now then!

Be interesting to know if those nautilus pumps will pump against a vacuum. The spec says they'll pump up to about one atmosphere (max). I use a 500ml pop bottle to test out pumps. They take pressure well and are quick and easy to adapt. I just drill a hole in the cap, hot glue in a piece of metal tubing and attach a piece of pipe which is then connected to the pump being tested.
Great minds think alike, just waiting for the glue to dry. Quick question looking into the size of the WTC if I made the whole thing 1 meter long and the center section the sealed part which holds the water, how big would it have to be? Is there a calculation to use to work it out or just trial and error also do I need to know the weight of the sub or WTC to work it all out.
Nearly finished the conning tower, the brass decks are glued down and drilled out all the holes, need to fill the edges to the deck and then it’s down to the running gear. Getting there made all the items in the conning tower removable along with the tower itself make it easier to store and transport. Oh found out the fuel pump I have uses a turbine not the rollers but has a check valve that’s why it won’t pump in reverse but now I have the pump kindly donated by Spooksgone (Phil) Thank you everyone for all your help really enjoying building this sub can't wait to get it running.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #55 on: June 13, 2012, 07:45:44 AM »

Any time, happy to help.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #56 on: June 13, 2012, 09:22:32 AM »

Working out ballast tank volume is a frequently asked question. The simplest way is to ask someone with the same model what volume their tank is, or perhaps Bob at OTW can give you some pointers, as they supply a wtc/module for this boat. I would think it will be somewhere in the region of 1.5 litres, but that's just an estimate.

Using weight is a bad idea for calculating ballast tanks. You need to think about displacement.

For a start it's difficult to weigh just part of your model, unless it happens to conveniently split right at the required surfaced waterline. Secondly most materials used in model submarine construction are denser than water e.g GRP, metals etc. Thus if you use weight as your method, you will tend to wind up with a ballast tank larger than required, which is better than it being too small. But if it's a big margin of error, that means longer filling times, more power used etc. Conversely, if the model is made from wood, the tank will likely be too small-, and the boat will not make a scale waterline.

Many thermoplastics like ABS , polystyrene, PMMA etc. tend to be about the same density as water. If your model is constructed from one of these, and the shape is relatively straightforward e.g. a cylinder then you can probably work out the volume of the tank using a bit of maths.

However a boat like the S-class is not a simple shape, plus it uses mixed media- brass decks and hand laid GRP, the latter tends to have a variable thickness owing to the nature of construction, which complicates matters further, and brass is more than eight times the density of water!

The most accurate way to find out the right volume of tank for this boat (and just about any other sub) is by empirical means.

Build the boat up, sans paint etc.

Put it in a test tank, and being denser than water it will sink. Add buoyancy- polystyrene foam is the best material to use. You will need to make a cradle of some sort to keep all the foam in place. This can also be made from foam, as it doesn't need to be super strong, but you should ballast it down so that it is neutrally buoyant, else it will skew your result.

When the boat is neutrally buoyant. e.g the boat sits just on or below the water surface, add more buoyancy below the waterline until the desired waterline is reached.

When you reach that point, remove the foam used to get the boat from neutral buoyancy to surface trim, work out it's volume- easiest if you cut the foam in uniform blocks e.g. rectangles. Increase that figure by 15-20% and you have the ballast tank volume required. The extra margin allows for differences in water temperature, extra volume added from applying paint finishes, and also gives you the ability to statically dive the boat by producing a little down thrust.

All this assumes that the WTC sits below the waterline with the boat surfaced.

Once you know the volume, you then need to decide what sort of ballast system you are going to adopt, as this dictates the size of tank needed. In your case we know you are going for a water pump based system. If you are going to be using the nautilus pump, then that rules out a sealed tank, as these pumps can only make 15 psi max, and that will only half fill the tank. With a 100mm diameter cylinder the tank would need to be over 43cm long assuming 1.5 litre volume, and that would pose stability problems I think.

You could go for the OTW type system which vents into the dry space, but I would advise some sort of sensing to ensure the pump doesn't overfill the tank and flood your module. This could be a simple float switch if you don't fancy the electronic probe system.

Another system would be to pump into a vented tank to get the boat to decks awash, then use a smaller trim tank (mounted inside the main ballast tank) which could use any type of ballast system to take the boat fully under. This more accurately reflects fullsize practice.

There are other variations on this theme.

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Re: British S Class
« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2012, 10:34:00 AM »

Thank you Subculture, need to get building then so I can start on this! Because I'm going to try use the pump Phil has given me I decided to take the fuel pump apart see how it is made etc, majority of the parts are plastic and it looks like it’s a combination of a turbine and roller type pump, the other thing I was quite surprised about is that the fuel actually passes over the armature and the brushes. It does have a check valve in the end that’s why it wouldn’t pump backwards the pump is rather simple but effective I suppose.


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« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2012, 02:31:24 PM »

That pump has seen a fair bit of action judging by the wear on the commutator. I think they run the fuel through the pump to keep it cool. There is no risk of ignition from commutator arching because there is an absence of air. Anyway you can see quite a few of the parts are made from steel and alumnium- not a great combination for pumping water.

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« Reply #59 on: June 19, 2012, 03:16:50 PM »

Conning tower awaiting a wheel to finish, working on the top casing now fitting escape hatches and torpedo loading tube etc drilled loads of holes fed up of drilling holes in fibre glass >>:-(




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« Reply #60 on: June 20, 2012, 02:26:02 PM »

That's looking good Tomp. How much longer do you think it is going to take then? I will love to come and watch you sail it.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #61 on: June 21, 2012, 08:47:08 AM »

Thank you Phil, well I'm kind of cheating I started drilling and filing the flood holes on the casing but they are all over the place so I'm having the flood holes cut out of plasticard. I'm hoping this will make them all uniform and of the same size also this will save a fair bit of weight as I can cut away a large amount of fibre glass. These should arrive next week sometime so I can finish that then i'ts onto the running gear and that's what is going to take the longest as I will need to save for a few bits. My aim has been to finish it this year we will see hopefully Santa will be generous this year!! I will have the sub running soon hopefully but will just be surface runner, I only have a 2 chanel radio at the moment and I want to mix both props while turning as i'ts a long boat and only have a small pond, otherwise it will prob look like a scene out of Austin Powers, Backward forward backward forward! So will be saving for a new radio and speed controller etc. I will have the majority of items in place within the WTC just won't work for a little while. Tom
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #62 on: June 21, 2012, 10:58:58 AM »

Don't OTW supply a photoetched stencil for the slots like they do for some of their other kits e.g. Type VII and Surcouf?

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Re: British S Class
« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2012, 02:42:59 PM »

Hi Tomp. Have you brought the mixer switch yet? I have a brand new Hunter systems mixer switch, still in the box, with the destructions.  I know it will do what you want it too, as I had one of these in my type 7c u boat a few years back. Let me know if you want it, no charge. As for the radio, there must be some one out there who has a spare 4 channel radio sitting idle.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #64 on: June 21, 2012, 08:44:12 PM »

Don't OTW supply a photoetched stencil for the slots like they do for some of their other kits e.g. Type VII and Surcouf?
Yeah there are few stainless steel ones supplied, I caused the problem by not securing them in place tight enough so they moved, next problem was my Dremel bit started opening up the stencil slightly so the holes started getting larger so I got angry with myself for being so careless and came up with the idea of having them laser cut out of plasticard. Will wait and see what it turns out like
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2012, 07:46:09 PM »

Sounds like you're going to hard with the dremel. I find glue guns are handy for tacking things like that in place. Then just release with a sharp knife .

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Re: British S Class
« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2012, 10:56:03 AM »

Sounds like you're going to hard with the dremel. I find glue guns are handy for tacking things like that in place. Then just release with a sharp knife .
Yeah I rushed it and now kick myself for not taking more time. Got my cut outs today 2 types 1 done by water cutting and the other by laser. The water cut ones need a little more cleaning up than the laser cut ones but both are to the sizes I required really pleased with them. Got both done as a comparison really as they cost the same just wanted to see the differences between them.





Phil I will buy the mixer off you if you don’t require it you have been kind enough already, I bought a load of bits in a box off Ebay and found a Mtroniks mixer in there but It’s for tank steering so no good for what I want. Also received a few parts for the WTC just need some time to work on it now.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2012, 01:32:10 PM »

Hi all. I will post you the mixer when I can. I don't want any thing for it. Tassie48 has sent me loads of quality stuff from Austrailia for my next project for free, I'm happy to pay it forward. I used to cut 10 slot's out in an evening, and then move on to nicer job's. That way the "chore" was made a lot easier.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #68 on: June 27, 2012, 07:55:15 PM »

Mixer switch sent,, it should be with you by Wednesday.
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Re: British S Class
« Reply #69 on: June 28, 2012, 08:46:31 PM »

The sub so far, top casing now secured to lower using 5mm stainless steel rod so it can be removed anytime, starting to fix the flood holes



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