Topic: Build the Bismarck - a "Hachett" job? (Read 210669 times)

berth44 · « **Reply #1190 on:** July 12, 2009, 10:35:51 PM »

"Well hello rer Chinas'' (traditional Scottish Greeting for our 'Foreign' friends) May I suggest 'Jacques' that you try 'Build The Bismarck UK' , it's a chap called Mark, he's got the very build for you, in pictures so you can follow each week, give it a go.....Dave

jacques · « **Reply #1191 on:** July 13, 2009, 05:59:18 PM »

Found it, thanks

berth44 · « **Reply #1192 on:** July 13, 2009, 10:54:35 PM »

What do you think Jacques, will this help you??. Anything else, just put it on line, someone here on the Forum will help you for sure, that's why we're here, to help each other as best we can...Dave.

kelvin · « **Reply #1193 on:** July 14, 2009, 09:38:08 AM »

whahaha alright already finished until 45 Bismarck

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=15180.0

have fun building your boat.

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jacques · « **Reply #1194 on:** July 14, 2009, 05:27:37 PM »

Yes it will help me a lot, in fact I already saw interesting things on the forum itself.

berth44 · « **Reply #1195 on:** July 14, 2009, 10:41:18 PM »

That's good Jacques, obviously you've been into the' links' section, there's heaps there, a 'future' German site showing ALL the parts up to 'the end'of the model, and there's heaps of good stuff on the REAL Bismarck,. plus many other things of interest, and better still (cough cough!!)there's a few photo's on the site showing' my build' of the frame and hull planking...Dave.

jacques · « **Reply #1196 on:** July 15, 2009, 06:05:39 PM »

I am now at the point where I'm supposed to glue the deck (not doing the RC version) and the resin parts to the hull. I'm thinking of waiting until I finish the second layer of planks before doing it. Is it a good idea or I'm I creating more issues. I think it would be easier.

berth44 · « **Reply #1197 on:** July 16, 2009, 02:08:13 AM »

Hello Jacques, now, this is what modelling is all about, if you think it's a way better way to do, do it!!! I do things different as well, I don't think I followed the instructions on how to plank the thing, especially after the first lot were in place, I even used 'lollypop sticks' for some of the second lot!
I'm really not sure how I went about it, seems ages ago since I did the hull. I know that there are faults in the resin parts and these have been documented through the Forum. I take it you have the (what is known as) 'the correct' new stern part??, it has the 'anchor pocket' at the 'correct' angle, but is infact still wrong. Whether you decide to fit these parts on now, or later, is definitely up to you! What I did (I think) was to go ahead with the second lot and the decks (not radio control!) then fix all the amended resin parts later. Filler would be used to fix any problems later (always good to do 'Dry runs' to see how far out you are if 'deviating' from the instructions!!))
The stern is where most of my alterations were done (the bow received a fair bit as well!!) and what I'm stating here could infact be described as butchery!! The instructions have you adding (as part of the second planking), the 'ply' porthole sections, I fitted them, but in hindsight I shouldn't have as all the portholes were wrong,(the bow porthole 'ply' section as well has problems!!) this is'nt just because I altered the stern, they just were anyway!!
I have completely altered the anchor pocket position to be 'as in' the correct position visually (to me) as per all the photographs that I have seen of the stern.( A photo is on this Forum somewhere, you can judge for youself!!)I did this by 'cutting out' the socket from an 'old' stern part, drilling and cutting out the pocket from the 'new' one, marking off what I think is correct in relation to the hight from the deck and also it's relation to the aft portholes (when corrected),just a case of slotting in the 'new' anchor pcket (it was like fitting a minature swimming pool!!), bit of filling and you would'nt know it had been moved!!
Doing it my way meant the utmost rear part of the stern had to be altered by quartering it to alter it's shape to follow the lines of the stern and the complete omission of the 'spacer' that was attached to it!!
So, as you can see,it's a lot os work, but in the end, it's up to you, you alone will decide on what is the best way, what I did was a lot of work, but it was what I wanted to do, so I say to you Jacques, go for it, if it does'nt work out, well, I'm sure you can fix it!!...Dave

P/s with the alterations to the stern, the supplied laser decking that comes later still fits perfectly!!

jacques · « **Reply #1198 on:** July 16, 2009, 01:06:48 PM »

You're right, I'll follow my guts !
I did see about issues you had with the resin parts not being OK, but up until now everything looks fine here and I'm going through this forum to compare with what we received until now.

berth44 · « **Reply #1199 on:** July 16, 2009, 11:43:27 PM »

Go for it Jacques, I'm sure all will be fine. Good idea going through the Forum, it will help you in your quest for sure!......Dave

Hilux5972 · « **Reply #1200 on:** August 06, 2009, 12:24:16 AM »

Hi Guys.

In NZ we are upto 67 this week. This forum has been great for tips. Martin, any idea when your build will begin again? Great fun these partworks. Well most of them. Flying Scotsman not going so well but im not gonna Hijack the thread lol.

Ryan

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #1201 on:** August 06, 2009, 08:11:03 AM »

Don't tell me there's planking on the Flying Scotsman too!!!

Hilux5972 · « **Reply #1202 on:** August 07, 2009, 07:16:09 AM »

Haha no worse luck. Parts are not fitting together well and are inferior to what was advertised!

berth44 · « **Reply #1203 on:** August 07, 2009, 09:02:15 AM »

heard the Flying Scotsman was indeed pretty bad, glad I didn't buy into it, mind you I wanted to, but I thought the Bismarck would do as far as 'built its wére concerned!!...Dave.

P/S Martin, you would find planking on the Flying Scotsman,most steam locos had a wooden cab floor!

derekwarner_decoy · « **Reply #1204 on:** August 10, 2009, 04:19:52 AM »

Hi Martin.......I am sure it must be an optical illusion.......

...but the bilge keel in pict6282 appears near straight or reversed........

....Derek

Just checked the same build by Kevin in Holland ...& the same illusion is depicted

...and yes..... only on the same port side

andyn · « **Reply #1205 on:** August 10, 2009, 02:59:21 PM »

It's just the angle you're seeing it from, look at the one on the opposite side.

Raymondo · « **Reply #1206 on:** August 10, 2009, 04:00:11 PM »

Dear all just signed up having read your comments have been building the Delprado Victory for near on 8Years just starting the rigging and now am upto part 50 on Hatchettes Build the Bismark. Am meeting several trumours along the way!!! Have been building the Bismark now for about 6 months.

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #1207 on:** August 10, 2009, 04:28:27 PM »

I've been NOT building mine for at Least 6 months!

The builge does look wrong from elever angle... except one.... from the bow.... along the water flow line!

I'll take a couple more photos of the bilge keel tonight.

berth44 · « **Reply #1208 on:** August 11, 2009, 12:17:31 AM »

Tacked on the printed deck with tacks between the évergreen'angle at the edge (about 1.5 mm) of the hull. The handrail stancheons will be fitted to this...Dave

berth44 · « **Reply #1209 on:** August 11, 2009, 12:28:11 AM »

To get the decks to fit between the angles I had to sand off the extreme plank of eack deck part, but not beyond the 'keyed' planks. The bow shape proved to be wrong so I removed the
'pointy bit' deck piece and sanded the bow down a wee bit, made a new deck piece and even after that I had to make a small alteration of the printed deck piece so that it was a perfect fit to the 'new' bow shape.., the first photo shows the 'cut' , the second (although duplicted) shows the end result... Dave

Raymondo · « **Reply #1210 on:** August 11, 2009, 11:41:11 AM »

How did those of you who used the 2nd plastic stern part overcome the difference in size that is the depth from front to back. I added a 7-8mm piece of wood so the deck part lined up with the back. Sanding the plastic bit would have obliterated the anchor hole. Just hope the deck parts will now fit!!!!!

berth44 · « **Reply #1211 on:** August 11, 2009, 03:00:35 PM »

Hello Remondo,first up, thanks for the mail! It seems a long time now since I did the stern part, what I did was,(I think!!) the rearmost top part was cut into quarters so I could 'jiggle it' to fit the width and length of the revised stern once it was fixed. It was sort of repaired with bits off the frets, but I wasn't out to make a perfect repair as this was going to be covered at a later time with the printed deck part anyway.
If you look at the 'real' Bismarck you'll see that even the new resin part still has the anchor wrong, it is much closer to the deck and the bottom of it is nearly touching the last of top portholes. To fix that, the 'spacer' that you are supposed to fit under the rearmost deck part, well, I personally disguarded that. (even with such a drastic change the aft resin part still fitted the shape of the stern pretty good and I had very little filling to do on its bottom and sides to get the thing flush with the planking!!)
Having still retained the old stern part, I carefully cut out the whole anchor pocket (it resembled a miniature swimming pool!!) When the aft portholes were eventually all in their correct position, I marked out the position of the 'new' anchor pocket in relation to that top last porthole and it's position to the deck, as per the photo I had of the 'real McCoy' When I was satisfied that I had it right, I drilled and shaped out the new hole for the 'swimming pool' Once that was superglued in position, it was filled with 'Tamiya' putty, sanded when dry and "walla!" , a new repositioned anchor pocket, just a bit better positioned than the Amati one, well I thought so!! If you look at the last lot of photo's I submitted , in the stern shot, you can see how much the anchor was moved by the white mark to the right of it!!
To sum up, it was a while ago and unfortunately I didn't take any photo's, it's not a job for the faint hearted to try!!, but in my mind it was well worth the effort, so why not?, it didn't cost me anything and it looks more correct!.....Dave.

berth44 · « **Reply #1212 on:** August 12, 2009, 01:36:34 AM »

Hello again Remondo,(and all) well, I said it was a while, so I have to make amends and say I did 2 cuts of the stern piece and moved it forward, here's some pictures that may explane things a wee bit better...I've also taken a photo of the stern of the 'real' Bismarck and one with my modification. Much easier than words to explane!!...Dave

berth44 · « **Reply #1213 on:** August 12, 2009, 01:54:50 AM »

Remondo, (and and) while I had camera in hand, I'll post some of the bow, minus it's printed decking. The top front piece is the remade part, that has been cut to fit and as you can see by the filling on the bow a lot of work has been done there as well...Dave

Hilux5972 · « **Reply #1214 on:** August 12, 2009, 04:01:37 AM »

Hi all

This is a question for Berth44. Ive noticd on the deck of your Bismarck that there seems to be a raised lip running the entire way around the ship. Just wondering what its for? And also what issue it comes with. Cheers

Hilux

berth44 · « **Reply #1215 on:** August 12, 2009, 07:03:46 AM »

Hello Hilux5972, the 'white line' that you see running round the ship is an idea of mine and does not come with any issue!! This is meant to represent the ángle' that's on the 'real' Bismarck at the decks edge onto which the handrail stancheons are fixed to.(The angle's back is to the edge)
The material used is 'evergreen' angle, it's 1.5mm x 355mm long, 4 per packet, 2 packets did the job, one left over! (it'll come in handy)
For this to fit, each deck part is carefully sanded back to the 'keyed' planking, (or what is required per section for a good fit!) There is also approx 1.5 mm from the angle to the edge of the hull, this has a slope not unlike the Armour Belt...Dave

Raymondo · « **Reply #1216 on:** August 12, 2009, 12:12:09 PM »

Dave, thanks for the reply it looks as though I've done the rear end similar to yours. The pictures have really helped. Around the top edge of the bow I fitted the supplied solid ply bits with the portholes in and the little bits that had to be tapered. When glued on I have filled the gap in on the top edge, this leaves a sloping angle and not a horizontal edge will try and get some pictures on. Is this sloping edge going to be OK or will I need to make some minor or major adjustments before I start the spray job, this Will be a first!!!!! Spent another 3 hours on it last night seems to be coming on OK so far.

berth44 · « **Reply #1217 on:** August 13, 2009, 01:20:56 AM »

Hey Remondo, sounds like you are making progress. I used the Ply as well.(on the stern as well) Looking at my model, most of the the top row of portholes are wrong and were filled in and moved.(as per the stern) The top edge of the bow is infact sloped, it shouldn't be curved, Just imagine a straight line between the corners of a 1.5 mm square, that in my mind would be perfect and not look too much out of scale, that's roughly what I tried to achieve, doesn't look that far out on the model, the total effect should be seen when the final paint job is applied....Dave.

P/S, if you need to fill in Portholes, use either toothpics, skewers, or stretched sprue, pushing them in point first until they are a tight fit then snipped to size. I always add a bit of superglue. When it is done this way, you can redrill the hole at any point without the 'filling' falling out on you, if you get my drift? I use filler to 'tidy up' if need be.....

Hilux5972 · « **Reply #1218 on:** August 13, 2009, 01:48:29 AM »

Thanks for that Berth44. Im thinking of looking into something along those lines 2. Im assuming its available from hardware/diy stores? Cheers

rsm · « **Reply #1219 on:** August 19, 2009, 01:24:57 PM »

Anybody wanting some nice turned metal barrels for their Bismarck might like to try these guys in Poland: http://www.gpm.pl/eng/index.php?akcja=produkt&edycja=101

I bought a set for mine, they are good quality and cheap. They are intended for a 1/200 scale card model. I also bought a set for my 1/200 Nichimo Yamato and my 1/400 Heller Prinz Eugen and HMS Illustrious, again they are intended for card models but work just fine on plastic kits.

Roger.

Hilux5972 · « **Reply #1220 on:** August 20, 2009, 12:20:40 AM »

I thought that the magazine came with turned metal barrels for the guns.

rsm · « **Reply #1221 on:** August 20, 2009, 09:04:08 AM »

The main guns (and the secondaries) have the breach end and blast bags moulded in one piece of plastic and the muzzle end is a piece of aluminium tube that slots into this, turned metal ones look a lot better.

Roger.

Raymondo · « **Reply #1222 on:** September 16, 2009, 11:57:57 AM »

Just thought I ought to sign in. have been busy on deck bits and brass. Dave hows your Bismark coming on? I'm just about to brave doing my first spray job on the hull using aerosols should be fun!!! Also have now started the Lancaster Bomber. Not enough hours in the day. Anyone else invested in this?

Best Wishes Ray

berth44 · « **Reply #1223 on:** September 17, 2009, 12:10:15 AM »

Hello Raymondo, all stop on the Bismarck for the time being, getting over a stroke!!. Is the Lancaster bomber another part work??. Good luck with the spraying, remember just light passes and allow to dry before next coat, you'll get a better finish, you don't want to keep your finger on the button, if you do (it's called impatience)you are more than likely to get runs and most importantly, loss of fine detail, just be patient.....Dave

mark_1984 · « **Reply #1224 on:** September 17, 2009, 12:39:19 AM »

The Lancaster is Hachette's latest offering.... looks pretty good too.

Before anybody asks... yes I am - I'm a sucker for these partworks.......

www.lancaster.partworkmodels.co.uk if anybody is interested.

Cheers
Mark

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