Topic: Build the Bismarck - a "Hachett" job? (Read 210816 times)

Hilux5972 · « **Reply #1330 on:** September 26, 2010, 02:32:54 AM »

Great. Thanks Roy

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #1331 on:** September 27, 2010, 07:20:24 AM »

Anyone going to build this?

http://www.model-space.co.uk/ships/battleship-yamato

steve pickstock · « **Reply #1332 on:** September 27, 2010, 07:28:02 AM »

If I'm not mistaken that is the one that Jinx8 is building now.

Eric65 · « **Reply #1333 on:** September 29, 2010, 12:21:49 AM »

My Bismarck comes closer to compleation!

Hilux5972 · « **Reply #1334 on:** September 29, 2010, 03:34:01 AM »

Looking Good Eric. We are up to Issue 126 this week in New Zealand so we are almost at an end too.

Jimmy James · « **Reply #1335 on:** September 30, 2010, 08:51:55 PM »

cbr900
That Swastika you posted on your Bismarck looks a bit strange to me ---more like the Finnish one than the German one --- I could be mistaken if so I apologise for alarming you (The Finnish one is the opposite way around to the German one) She's a really nice looking model no matter which way it is.
Freebooter

essex2visuvesi · « **Reply #1336 on:** September 30, 2010, 10:05:41 PM »

Quote from: Martin - admin. on September 27, 2010, 07:20:24 AM

Anyone going to build this?

http://www.model-space.co.uk/ships/battleship-yamato

I would like to but the Wife says no Im not

Ive got the Deagostini Victory, and modelspace Cutty sark to build lol

Eric65 · « **Reply #1337 on:** October 21, 2010, 08:24:35 PM »

Another Bismarck completed and ready to set sail.

justboatonic · « **Reply #1338 on:** October 21, 2010, 08:49:44 PM »

Some really good builds here! I never thought the magazine kit could be built so well!

The long Build · « **Reply #1339 on:** October 21, 2010, 08:57:56 PM »

Looks absolutely superb.

kelvin · « **Reply #1340 on:** October 24, 2010, 03:44:16 PM »

I agree, alot of text without any photos is quit boring,

so here is my story so far

John R Haynes · « **Reply #1341 on:** December 11, 2010, 10:09:19 AM »

In reply to the question , what are the small guns doing sitting atop the main turrets. These were practice guns and linked to the main guns in the turret below . Gun crews could then practice firing the main guns but in reality only used the smaller guns with much smaller ammunition and thus save a great deal of money and wear and tear of the main gun barrels.

derekwarner_decoy · « **Reply #1342 on:** December 11, 2010, 11:30:36 AM »

mmmm

sorry ....John R Haynes ... the POP guns ''a top" the main ordance were cosmetic & for AA [anti aircraft] use only >>:...there was no electro/mechanical relationship between the respective elements

The main ordanance could displace a 1000 kg projectile ...possibly 15 Km
The secondary POP guns ''a top" the main ordance could displace a 25 kg projectile about 1 Km......Derek

dreadnought72 · « **Reply #1343 on:** December 11, 2010, 03:37:48 PM »

Sorry, Derek - there were mechanical linkages between the turret top guns on the Dreadnought, and the main weapons below, for a fact.

Andy

derekwarner_decoy · « **Reply #1344 on:** December 12, 2010, 04:58:12 AM »

Andy.....

one of the important things with Mayhem....is that we never need to say sorry

, however it is important to understand fact

1. vintage battle vessels... such as the dreadnaught class..did have auxiliary AA ancillaries mounted atop of the principal armament
2. the hydraulic & electrical supply for these AA ancillaries was via the principal armament structure
3. these secondary AA ancillaries had not only independent hydraulic systems to the principal armament, but also independent electrical supply systems to their own independent hydraulic/electrical systems...over again to the principal armament
4. the principal armament was controlled by mechanical computers [gears, cogs, pins & disks.....] Bill Gates parent's were not born yet

5. the secondary AA ancillaries were ...'aim & shoot'.....nothing more ....nothing less

With reflection....the electro/mechanical military designer/stratagets of the last century were brilliant thinkers

& possibly a little before or ahead of their time

....Derek

pugwash · « **Reply #1345 on:** December 12, 2010, 09:24:25 AM »

Is there a difnitive answer - I spent an hour last night going thru' any books I had on the subject of battleships main armament
and I am still non the wiser as to what is the correct answer but don't lets go to war about it - save that till Perth cricket ground on
Thursday.
Geoff

John R Haynes · « **Reply #1346 on:** December 12, 2010, 12:15:34 PM »

All I can say is when I was restoring the IWM 1/48 scale models in the 8o's there were linkages from the guns on top of the turrets down into the turret structure itself . To see this on the models go to my site www.johnrhaynes.com/portfolio and look at the Agamemnon photos shown . when I queried this with the War Museum they confirmed what I previously posted

marmoi · « **Reply #1347 on:** December 12, 2010, 12:28:05 PM »

Having spent many hours investigating the Dreadnoughts turret drawings, I can confirm that the guns on top of the turrets did have linkages into the main turret so they could be connected for training purposes. Anti air craft guns were not a consideration when the Dreadnought was designed, only anti torpedo boat guns.

John R Haynes · « **Reply #1348 on:** December 12, 2010, 03:26:09 PM »

Also if you refer to John Roberts Dreadnought book page 234 you will find a large diagramme of the 12pdr with linkage , described as connected up for short range practice.. The accompaning write up says this reduced the cost for practice firing

Hilux5972 · « **Reply #1349 on:** January 10, 2011, 07:48:25 PM »

Hi all. Just picked up the last issue here in NZ. Pics will be uploaded when she is complete.

Propslip · « **Reply #1350 on:** February 17, 2011, 11:04:15 AM »

I am glad to see all these bismarcks nearing completion. I decided to wait & let everyone else sort out the teething problems & hopefully pick a complete set up later. I was lucky & a week or two back picked up the complete 140 issues unopened for £160

on ebay. Bought a set of JB gun barrels, very fast too & a couple of reference books so now all I have to do is build it & wait another 5 years for the Hood maybe!!

rsm · « **Reply #1351 on:** February 17, 2011, 11:13:53 AM »

You won't need to wait that long for a Hood to go with your Bismarck!!!!!!!!

http://www.buildhmshood.com/

Propslip · « **Reply #1352 on:** February 17, 2011, 11:21:09 AM »

I will if I want to pick it up for £160 squid

NMJH · « **Reply #1353 on:** April 07, 2011, 04:03:29 AM »

building my Bismark, i have trouble doing Planks, the tacks i use, are hard put in, to keep planks in place, the clamps i got, dont fit in areas i'd like them 2, the lukabands i have, arnt really useful

I'm up to issue 13, can someone please help me on how i can do this well? really bothering me lol...

Eric65 · « **Reply #1354 on:** April 15, 2011, 10:17:13 PM »

NMJH, I used dress making pins for the first layer of planks, the ones with the coloured plasic blobs on the ends.

They are hard to put in by hand, so I used a pair of pointy pliars to put them in with. Make sure you scrape off excess glue on the ribs from the last plank you put on, sometimes some can ooze out, harden and make the next plank sit a bit proud, you need the plank to lie flat on the rib.

Sand the planking smooth before second planking, it dosn't need to be pretty or perfect, all will be hidden by the second layer, but it does need to be smooth.

Fot the second layer planks I bought clamps, they needed a small hole drilled into the first layer planks and ribs or they could split them. Make sure you put the clamps in where the rib is so it gets a good grip. The advantage of using clamps is that there will be no holes in the top layer of planks.
It is even more vital that you clean off excess glue when second planking, you don't want planks sitting proud, gives you extra work sanding down!

Good luck, take your time, and be ready to do a lot of sanding when finished!

Eric.

tr7v8 · « **Reply #1355 on:** May 24, 2011, 09:11:44 PM »

Quote from: Martin - admin. on January 22, 2010, 09:16:19 AM

Hi Richard,

Have you seen my "build"? - http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4024.msg39250#msg39250

Sorry to bother you Martin...
I've joined this website in order to get help for my Bismarck and I found your excellent guide with a lot of info and pictures.
Can you please tell me why I only see the first 2 pages from your build?
On the second page, your last messages is:
Any Advice or comments here please.>>> Here!
NB: To view the images from now on, you need to join the Forum!

Martin

Thank you very much! Good day.

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #1356 on:** May 25, 2011, 09:42:10 PM »

Sorry Martin, my Bismarck build has been on hold for some time now.....

Have you seen:
http://buildthebismark.proboards.com/index.cgi?
http://www.subifa.de/heftvorschau/die_bismarck_h140.htm

thebackways · « **Reply #1357 on:** May 30, 2011, 03:28:05 AM »

ive recived a biskmark hull with the models my stepdad left me, shes unfinished and planked ( very badly ) shes also filled with medical bandage ( as opposed to the gauze the mag suggests )
the outer planks are peeling away in some segmants, and ive only a few parts for the superstructure >_<

regg · « **Reply #1358 on:** July 12, 2011, 05:13:08 PM »

Hi everybody!
I've just joined the forum as I was impressed by the amount of work and advice that has been given on the Bismarck.
I have just bought the kit from a charity shop(!) which had been given the hull and most of the parts by someone who had given up for some reason. He had started the hull and done most of the first planking but it is done very badly and I have started to remove as much as I can, not an easy job, has anybody any advice on this?
The forum seems to have gone a bit dead on Bismarck, perhaps the guy who had mine was not the only one to give up!
I was told by the shop that all the parts were there but I have found that 129 and 130 are missing, has anybody got any they could sell me? I keep looking on ebay without success.
This is not my first plank on frame model but all the brasswork certainly makes it look different
I look forward to getting on with the build.
Best wishes to all.
Warren

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #1359 on:** July 12, 2011, 09:42:55 PM »

Hi Warren,
Welcome to the Mayhem!

I was one that gave up..... I was enjoying the build but they (Hachett) certainly didn't make it an easy build but
strangely, overcoming the problem was mostly what I enjoyed of my build before I stopped.

It is a very good project and you will enjoy the build, especially it the hull is finished and in good shape, if it isn't, stop
and spend the time getting a glass like finish BEFORE starting on the upper works.

Missing issues often appear on ebay, set up a [saved search[ for "Build the Bismarck" - it's also being published if other
countries so ordering those two issues "shouldn't" be a real problem.

What are you doing for the motor set up?

This is what a good hull looks like... unfortunately not mine.....

rem2007 · « **Reply #1360 on:** July 27, 2011, 09:42:11 PM »

Would anyone one like the History of The Bismarck and other literature that came with the subscription as I'm moving abroad, well home, and it weighs too much, besides, I have several books on the topic.

Send pm and can arrange local pick up, hopefully.

Robert

Redcap · « **Reply #1361 on:** August 25, 2011, 08:19:01 PM »

Newbie to this Forum. Thought I'd better get myself joined up to somewhere where I can get some advice from serious boat builders. I started the Deagostini Hood which of course went Kaput, so have just signed up for the Hachette Hood. Rather daunting task for me as up until a couple of years back, I was strictly into plastic ship modelling, usually 1/350 though I did the resin cast 6ft long Accurate Armour Type VII U-Boat which was fun.

Anyhow, my very first attempt at wood modelling was the Hachette Bismarck. I just don't have the skills required to produce a "sailing" r/c model, and decide to try something different and "waterline" it. Didn't fancy sawing through the completed full hull, so I got a large block of polystyrene foam and carved out a recess for the hull. With the hull set into the foam, I sculpted waves from polyfilla and painted them up, then "cased" the whole base in wood, stained and varnished and used brass angle strip for the corners.

If nothing else it gave me the confidence to try another wood build and hopfully the Hood will make a nice companion for it. May well do Hood in a waterline setting also.

Hope you like it. By the way, the thing sitting against the hull towards the stern is a WW2 German Navy Fleet Service Badge as issued to Bismarck crew members.

Redcap · « **Reply #1362 on:** August 25, 2011, 08:20:34 PM »

Some close ups.

Redcap · « **Reply #1363 on:** August 25, 2011, 08:21:52 PM »

Midships

Redcap · « **Reply #1364 on:** August 25, 2011, 08:25:30 PM »

You can just make out a few crew figures. These are actually the little which plastic figures that are sold as "architectural figures" that are used with architects models of buildings to show scale. Little white plastic businessmen in double breasted suits make quite passable naval officers when painted dark blue

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The long Build

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Propslip

rsm

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NMJH

Eric65

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