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Daryl

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« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2007, 07:22:50 PM »

The real one took five years to build.
I have had a look on several forums which mention this kit. The consenus of opinion is yes its expensive but al ot of people are going for it. The two DKM Bismarck forums I read we all in favour of it.
If we all had the same view and tasts wouldn't life be boaring!

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« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2007, 07:56:10 PM »

I am going for it on the basis that I couldn't save that sort of money in a year, also the magazines are 4.99 a week which I believe is less than 20 cigarettes from a  newsagent. I don't smoke so £5 per week for my hobby seems fair enough to me and hopefully I should have a cracking model of the Bismarck at the end of my 140 weeks.

As for motors and radio gear, my loft is heaving with them as I had few years buying, restoring and trading/selling on Tamiya radio control cars and buggies so have spare receivers/servos lying around. I also have sufficient glues and paints to avoid too much further outlay.

I look forward in nearly three years time to seeing a sudden onrush of Bismarcks on pools around the country.  ;D
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« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2007, 11:36:02 PM »

Hi all first off sorry if i repeat anything anyone has already said. I think the bismarck kit is great as a novice builder will very limited time on my hands i can send the wife off to the shop every week to buy my copy of of the mag and i can then decide when i want to build it over that week. I had to search nearly every newsagents in the town to find my copy they were sold out in the first day...

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« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2007, 11:43:30 PM »

That's an interesting point. If you miss a copy does that mean you end up with a shorter boat?
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« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2007, 11:46:47 PM »

well I've now sent the subscription form off so i'll get it delivered every month you also get FREE stuff when you do that and free is always good  ;D


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« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2007, 12:36:52 AM »

If u want to do it do it,money is irrelevant (2 pints a week?). I waste much more money each week?

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« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2007, 10:10:41 AM »

The thing about partworks is you can devote the time to put together the few pieces you get drip fed,come on admit it how many of us have uncompleted kits at least you can justify to your domestic supervisor an hour or two a week when the commitment to a full kit really does take some negotiating with your wife.with summer coming and lawns,gardens,barbeques,DIY projects shelved for winter and on and on the small bag of bits you get can have a bit of time put aside.I'm staggered by the price but more than tempted as i have a long hours job a high maintenance family but i love my boats!!!! 
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« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2007, 02:57:50 PM »

My Dad has signed up for this kit. The model in the pictures looks very impressive. The cost is high, but not unreasonable spread over time.

The main reason is the kits comes in stages. He's had a go at a few kits but finds being confroned with a huge number of bits in a single package a bit overwhelming. Hence being drip fed the bits a few at a time works better. He's always wanted fancies trying a battleship anyway.

The other reason is that the kit is in wood - which he prefers to GRP. I can't see it myself but each to his own.

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« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2007, 04:47:00 PM »

I have started to do the kit and it is a bit unkind to knock the thing before they have started it seams as though if (I do not want to do it i will deter as many as i can) Going in to this one knows ti is going to be a long job and cost a lot off cash ,but i for one would not be able to afford a model of this class  i did get a cossack sum time a go but that was a Christmas cum birthday presy form all my kids. The model has been out in Germany for 28 weeks or so. SO i say good luck to all those building it. Yes there are going to be problems no the way but is that not what model building is all about, over cumin them and ending up with a fantastic model>I{wood }ask all to wish me luck  the German site can be found on this link                                                                                    }{[url]http://www.baue-die-bismarck.de/viewpage.php?page_id=1 if not try putting      Build the Bismark into your googel or what ever you use good look and keep your feet dry
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« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2007, 07:34:38 AM »

Its now at issue three and its full price from now on, ive got to say its the first amati kit ive tried and so far the fit and finish is superb i know its expensive but me and my lad are putting it together and he has been off the playstation and is going out with me to the local club to sail my corvette money well spent i think! 
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« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2007, 09:23:49 AM »

Sorry to be on a downer for a first post but thought the below info might throw some light on the project and a word of warning before the builders of this project get in too deep :o

1) In Germany they are at issue 27 and sadly already reporting many build problems that will no doubt be encountered here in the UK, that's bad so early on in what is a very long and expensive series.

2) The cost of £700 to collect the 140 issue series is miles out if you want to build the RC version, the RC conversion kit on offer from Hachette costs 169 Euros in Germany which is about £115. You will also need to buy a battery pack & charger, plus the obvious quantity of glue & paint etc, in issue 18 they are now talking of the use of a muslin/gauze bandage to seal/strengthen the inner sides of the Hull, this is also not supplied either!

I would hazard a guess that you might not see much change out of 1k to build the RC version :o

The big concern for the RC builder's is that from the outset there is no mention to use a waterproof PVA glue such as Aliphatic resin, issue 1 supplies a nice pot of standard PVA glue which is great for the static build but totally unsuitable for an RC buld....unless that is you want it to replicate the demise of the original ship ;D

The word via Germany is that this seriesl was only intended to build as a static display model, it was a last minute Hachette thought to give the choice of also an RC version.
This seems to back-up the available info, there is no mention of an RC version on the Hachette web site and only brief snippets of info via the backing boards that come with issue's 1 & 2 and a pull out model info sheet, neither is there any word or photo in the first three mags that suggests an RC version, hence the errors now coming to light which am sure will only grow along the way ::)

The quality of wood parts supplied via Amati are good but the marriage between static display & RC version seems frought with problems for this series, so if you are to build the static version then build away warily as suspect there are hidden problems there too, but if it's the RC route then anticipate a whole load of future headaches and complaint call's to Hachette >:(


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« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2007, 09:38:31 AM »

Well pointed out i looked at the german site and read the comments these problems will sting a few im lucky i have spare gear to make the r/c version and have already used waterproof glue on it  the sealing of the hull will be a real problem for some again ive already anticipated it ive got  :)the materials to hand now as im doing a plank on frame build  i just hope this doesnt ruin this build for the less prepared,but im ploughing on with it,as a joint build with my lad im looking forward to it.
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« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2007, 10:07:03 AM »

There is also some confusion over the RC pack being supplied, in Germany they have two motors and three prop shafts, the inset photo on the pull-out sheet within issue 1 in the UK shows two motors and two prop shaft's, so lloks like is there no drive to the centre shaft ???

If you look on ebay Germany under hachette bismarck you will already see some three motor set-ups for sale using Speed 400's, a bloomin minefield of a kit is this for the novice but glad to read your aware of the pitfalls ;)
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« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2007, 10:42:00 AM »

 It was only by doing the necessary digging i found this not everyone has this info i have read all all the negative comments on this thread and have taken it all on board apparently the titanic of a few years ago had its problems. However although a know i am being overcharged(i cant say ripped off) but i am volunteering for it i love my hobby and i need the distraction it provides hopefully some of the people who do get bogged down can be helped by contributors to this site an unfinished project is a sad thing. ;)
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« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2007, 11:01:46 AM »

Personally i would like to see someone on here posting weekly pictures of the build process to show all us people that DONT wish to buy the magazine how the build is going.

Okay it might be a long winded build thread but im sure it would be a good one.

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« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2007, 11:16:57 AM »

There is this-www.buildthebismarck.co.uk run by the same bloke who has several other site eg buidthe titanic and the red barons triplane it has week by week photos links to german sites due to them being months in front and a fledgling forum very good so far the titanic site is very good it has  :)
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« Reply #51 on: March 18, 2007, 08:53:44 PM »

hear hear Leaky sum building the kit did not have a clue a bout the glue this has cum to light in the chatter on build the Bismark site i think they should put a note in the next 2 or 3  issues to let them know.                                                                                                                                                        For me i have quite a bit of stuff hanging around tx rx and a load of other bits and bob. making it water tight will be on moor challenging than  other wood built boat and as for running gear, on different to most ships that have have to be adapted be it on a larger scale. Well that is the way i look at it i have seen sum on the German's with 3 motors i can only surmise that they have got them all in their bits as their are different sizes of motors in different boats, sum one was on about having to drill holes in the frame when the trunk is glued up well do it before and drill them bigger than you would  to give room for adjustment to be made.                                                                                                                                                                                          IF you know you are  going to put it on the water you plan for this ,  at least i am people are all so talking about changing the rudders and props one lot or running and one lot for display that is crazy putting more problems in the way when it is not on the water it will only the that is not wright brigade  and expert,s will spot the difference I think people have to make mountens out of mole hills . That is not to say it will be a piece of cake i think not.Mine so far no probs yet
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« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2007, 12:45:43 PM »

Hope this info help's.....These are the Tips & Build problems being reported via Germany that fall within the first 27 issues, at least us here have advance info to make informed decision's :)

1. Ensure the Keel is constructed straight and if possible use a building Jig.

2. Assemble the frames at right-angles, this is important otherwise the Hull could take on the shape of a banana.

3. Frame 33 (at the Bow) seems to be too wide and too long when compared with the original data from the Bismarck, Hachette have not supplied the Bow yet so we can't be sure re any alteration's that may be necessary at that point.

4. Issue 14 contain's the resin part D, some have found that this part is too small so they have cut it in half and enlarged it by a few mm.
If you do this then be aware that frame 43a may then not have the correct fit for resin part D.
Some complained to Hachette and received a replacement resin part D, this part in some cases has been found to differ in dimension's probaly as a result of the moulding process.
So the advice is you should carefuly examine resin part D regarding it's fit and size and decide what to do from there.

5. Resin part 70 (stern) supplied with issue 23 will have to be corrected if you want a true scale look, the hole where the Anchor is inserted is in the wrong place.
If you look at original photo's of the Bismarck you will notice that the Anchor must be placed much higher.
If you wish you can reduce some of part 66 (with issue 21) to make the Stern higher, or you can use filler and close the hole and then re drill/relocate the Anchor position, also some modellers have sanded down the Deck by about 1-2mm and replaced the Stern.

6. After the first set of width planking of the Hull, the width at this point is the correct size for the scale, however with the addtion of a second width planking (around issue 44) this will make the Hull wider and as a result out of scale.
The second planking appears to be for the RC builders to strengthen the Hull, those building the static version have a choice.

7. Planking of the Bow will be a difficult process, the strips can be cut in half or soaked in water to make easier the bending task, these should then be pinned in place whilst the glue dry's using modelling pin's or very fine pin nails.

8. There are reports of the Stern frame 43a possibly being of the wrong dimensions or its incorrect manufacture, this is because when it comes to plank the Stern some reports advise that they have found that if you plank direct to the outline of 43a you end up with a depression spanning this point.
This can be easily overcome by carefully packing out the 43a frame edge with wood scraps so they jump the gap when the planks are located onto this former, the planks should smoothly flow across the Hull without being depressed.
Not all have found this problem so it is likey to be a few poorly manufactured 43a frames that have slipped the net or even possibly as a result of poor construction.

9. Hachette are to supply only two motors for the RC version, this means that only two of it's three propeller's will be active, the third (central) propeller will remain static but will give the appearance of the original ship's design.
If you do want to have an operating centre prop then you should start thinking about this early on with a view to sourcing the extra motor & parts etc you will need, you will also need to consider the ESC & wiring for this as that what is to be suplied may not be suitable, in addition to this also how a central prop might act on its steering once in water.
Issue 8 comes with Keel parts for the Stern, this is probably the time to look very closely at the installation of a third (central) motor & prop shaft.

Motor's etc are obviously not a problem for the static builders of this model as the series comes with all you need to replicate the original ship.
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« Reply #53 on: April 13, 2007, 06:50:00 PM »

Well my first 3 parts have turned up - unfortunately 1, 2 & 4!
I'll also start a build blog when part 3 turns up....

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« Reply #54 on: April 13, 2007, 07:37:32 PM »

Why are we (you) re-hashing these old subjects? Life is confusing enough without thinking "I have seen this before" and not wondering if it is just a case of senile deja-vu. Put this oldie out of his trepidation and explain...or not.
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« Reply #55 on: April 13, 2007, 08:07:00 PM »

Brian

I think there is no such thing as an old subject, just a dormant one. If any member feels he has something to add to a dormant thread he is, of course, at liberty to add to it. This allows those of us with myopic memories to read again what we have forgotten (or not as the case may be).

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« Reply #56 on: April 14, 2007, 03:47:47 AM »

Some people will be very interested in seeing this build.
Despite what others may think of the project.



The concept of partworks created so much controversy it will be good to see this thread develop.
I for one am very interested, even though I have no interest in warships. Nor am I a fan of partworks.
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« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2007, 07:23:30 AM »

I too am interested in seeing how the model develops, keep up the updates on the build chaps.

Clive :)
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« Reply #58 on: April 14, 2007, 11:55:44 AM »


For me it's the concept and the constrution technique..... not the subject.

.....and the fact you Could Possibly pay for a very expensive kit "on the cheap".... even trick the Mrs!  ::) 
Well not mine...  :-\

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« Reply #59 on: April 14, 2007, 01:32:33 PM »

I would also like to know what other content if any is in the magazine portion.
It could be a lot of interesting history/tech details on a plate.
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« Reply #60 on: April 14, 2007, 07:33:47 PM »

For me it's the concept and the constrution technique..... not the subject.

Hi all, I have to agree with Martin's above statement - its always good to see how another person builds/manufactures something.  You can always learn from it and adapt it to your way of building. 

One thing that did come mind for me was, a friend who I used to work with once built a sailing ship from a magazine which gave free parts every week.  What he did was, he copied everything, all the frames and etc., and then he bought some planking.   My friend ended up making two models.  One model which was from the magazine he made complete, the second model which he constructed - he made it as only half a model which showed all the internal detail.   Obviously, it may be slightly more difficult to do with this magazine build as there may be I should imagine, lots of resin fittings.   However, I should think you could overcome that.   Mind, it would be nice to see two models built - one working and one for display with the internal structure visible.

Food for thought again...keep the pics coming please.   We can then see how the build progresses.

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« Reply #61 on: April 14, 2007, 09:38:02 PM »

Hi John,
DelPrado did that with their HMV Bounty a while back, the port side had a section which you could remove showing the internal compartments. Not a bad kit but the instructions were not clear in places. The part work ran for 105 issues. I still havn't got around to finishing it as the rigging instruction was boardering on the gibberish, must get it out one day and finish it.

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« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2007, 06:36:48 PM »

I have jsut read on www.buildthebismarck.co.uk forum that someone has a letter with his issue 4 that states Hatchette is cancelling the series. He has scanned the letter and published it on the site. The letter looks ok and offer a refund if you send the mag covers or a gift. As my son has just started subscribing we havn't had issue 4 yet? Anyone else subscribe and has received this letter? Apparently WH Smiths sold to order issue 8 last wednesday and at the bottom of the letter is did say this applies to the UK only. Tommorrow I'll give them a ring but normally its a long wait on the telephone queing system.

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« Reply #63 on: April 23, 2007, 09:22:52 AM »

Just phoned Hachette and have been told that the letter was sent out in error,i can hear the i told you so's already its a bad error as they go-some sort of explanation would be nice though.Can someone else confirm this please as i had to call twice as the call centre is obviously abroad and i had a bit of trouble being understood the first time. ???
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« Reply #64 on: April 23, 2007, 09:25:51 AM »

What part / issue  is everybody up to?
I've received parts 1, 2 & 4, are the issue arriving regularly and on time?

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« Reply #65 on: April 23, 2007, 10:31:04 AM »

just got part 2&3 seems subscribers start slow then catch up in a while seems to be a similair story on the build the titanic i have to admit after being enthusiastic im slightly disappointed it does not bode well, but nil carborundum as we say where i work
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« Reply #66 on: April 23, 2007, 10:36:47 AM »

We have had parts 1, 2&3, we are waiting for 4 etc. I have heard that they send them out on the 28th of each month?

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« Reply #67 on: April 23, 2007, 02:10:01 PM »

I hate dealing with foreign call centres they don't seem to understand a word you say to them, or is that just me!!

They say issues 4-7 have just been dispatched and I should receive them in the next two days. They also said the bank rejected my payment card details, rightly so as the details they had didn't belong to me. So I need to scruitinise my bank statement even more closely than usual.

The letter some people have received was sent out in error, I bet someone is now looking for a new job.

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« Reply #68 on: April 24, 2007, 06:09:20 AM »

I am all for keeping up the installments. I think Tiger can agree with me that this is far better than watching any Chinese TV drama unfold!!   ::)

Am curious how your builds go & as well the satisfaction you have in this type of kit.   Personally for me, the notion of having to depend on the mail to deliver my next installment of parts would drive me nuts!   :o

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« Reply #69 on: May 09, 2007, 10:57:37 PM »


Well after weeks of delays, hiccups and phone calls to the magazine people, I'm now only 2 months behind with parts 5, 6, 7 & 8 in the post I'm assured. So with the first 4 parts now to hand I've decided to make a start.... build    HERE!      

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