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[Cargo]

 ... "buy or don't buy"

[slewis]

says it all

[Martin (Admin)]

Re: Centre prop. Not sure yet, thinking of a free running prop or a false prop ie. same profile but flat fully feathered blades..... that gonna look 'rubbish' ain't it.   

[Down below]

Handling with or without bow is the same, only the waves coming from the bow look a little different

i never said that the (graupner) parts hachette used are rubbish, it's just HOW they made a drive of it. look at the pics of their drive built in - this looks horrible

the sealing is sandable, so i won't have any problems gluing the shaft supports or other parts afterwards

that's the reason why i didn't paint the hull by now - this would make things more difficult.

Simply to address the balance and state the fact, sorry Marki but you HAVE described the Hachette RC set as being "rubbish" and have noted below exactly what you have said via your posts on the build the bismarck.co.uk web forum:

May 21st - " Hope you dont intend to buy that AM control offered by Hachette, this is rubbish."

June 11th - "Hachette RC set was designed by the chairwoman."

June 8th - "The main disadvantage from Hachette's set are they used parts which result in a look totally different from the original."

.......This only applies to the rudders in which the chief designer for this model at Amati (Sergio) has openly and fully commented why the rudders are not scale and there reasons behind this.

June 8th - "In my opinion this partwork is suitable for advance model builders especially if you want to make a R/C model of it."

.....In which case your own comment on this (one would assume) would then make your 3 motor conversion totally unsuitable for the novice it appears you readily sell this conversion to the novice with no regard for what you know to be fact.

It simply comes down to 'each to there own' re components be it cost or spec, but as for a complex 3 motor conversion such as yours then there needs to be a responsibility on your part to make it quite clear that such a conversion is not an easy task to undertake and get right BEFORE it being sold to the novice.

I think at least we are all in agreement that the Graupner gear is good quality which ever route one goes down with this gear

The Hachette RC set may be as you describe in your eyes but Amati seem to think it fits the bill and that is where this matter is best left

[gary r uk]

hi martin
the centre prop on my scharnhorst is a free spinner otherwise you suffer from biased steering as one prop is going one way with 2 others going the other so you use the rudders more just like on the real ship
gary

[Down below]

I see the Hachette RC pack offer is on sale this week within issue 23, not delivered until 58 though

Martin, do you intend to go down the route of the mag advised method of using of gauze bandage & PVA for sealing of the inner hull as described in 18?.....seems a bit of wishful thinking to me ::)

[Cargo]

The use of graupner "glattfix" is a good choice for sealing wood. It goes right into the wood and seals it from "within". First choice for all sealing jobs. This is my firm opinion, but what do I know?!...

[Down below]

Thanks for that Jan, have heard a few other's mention this product and sing its praise's but finding it in the UK is near impossible :(

[red]

When you go to deans Marine, Have a look at the kits and ask the nice Ron Dean for help. tell him you are going to build it on line and ask him what is he  going to give you to build.

Fred

Oh and have a viking funeral for next doors cat with the bismark

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Martin

Suggest you vent your problems direct when she returns.

Just a thought........If your build is a 'free of charge' press review kit as you say it is then by rights you should be building by the book ie using the Hachette RC gear which will no doubt be foc to you as well, otherwise the addition of non Hachette supplied running gear will not make your build a true press review of the kit and I bet Hachette wont be too pleased either.

[red]

Martin Just put it on the shelf and have a nice holiday , then in a week or so when the next bits come do a bit more. we all get fed up at times during a build, so just play with somethink else. I find that if you have two builds on the go at the same time you can chop between the two as you think about a problem .its not the easeyest boat to build but its looking good so far so just have a break..Fred

[slewis]

You better carry on with it   I am running a book on wether it will float or not !

[Colin Bishop]

Knowing them you will end up with a flood of mags up to issue 24 next week

And all duplicates so you can build the Tirpitz as well! 

[rem2007]

evening gents.....totally off topic and atad blurry but moving along in week 11 and the sun has finally come out in torbay....what do you think so far...remember I work full-time...
Robert

[Martin (Admin)]

Hi Robert.
Looks good so far, remender to glue each plank to each other and along the inside against the rib.
Once dry poke around and test each joint.
Sand planks along the inside long edge that meet on a curve eg. around the bilge keels so they fit against each other better.


"And your round starts.... Now!"
1. What issue are you up to?
2. What glue are you using?
3. Do you have a postal or shop subscription?

[rem2007]

ahoy...working on week 11, and I'm using evostik and I have a postal subscription which may get affected by thes strikes...
hope not....cheers for the comments and I will follow the tips but it is slow going right now and the missus is calling so i'd best say good nite,
thanks again
robert

[red]

Martin

Is the foc press review freeby a recent event, only I think we were all under the impression that you were funding your subscription out of your own pocket as this is what your post suggest on page 5 of this topic

If Martin had said ANYTINK, by now I think there may have been 30 pages of moans at Martin as if he owned the comany and for him to sort all the problems out. he is doing it as a punter by the look of things and having the same problems as everone else

Fred

[Daryl]

I think you will find Hachette knows the dire service we who pay well over the odds are getting, but as long as the profits are there they don't care. After all there will be more subscribers for the next partwork, there allways is. Why ask you or Deans Marine for a press review by the time they get it the series over here will be finished, and if you report back to them after each installment it is too late to alter anything for future realeases in other countries. The last victims to fall for this kit is Australia and the advertising campaign will start at the end of august.

Any marketing guru will tell you press reviews are used in various ways one is to inhance the product by feedback from potential customers9 can't see that in this case), indirect advertising is another. If you think it is good you tell people on here and they will go out and subscribe to it, you could have asked for a commission, our sales people here do when they do things like this.

[Down below]

I think you will find that whatever web forum you visit re this kit that subscribers seem to be having all sorts or problems with subscription yet those who get the mag via the newsagent don't seem to be having any problems in supply at all, one would think that subscribers would get preferential treatment simply because they subscribe and in effect have entered into a contract, but sadly this does not seem to be the case :(

So Fred in reply to your comment, pages of moans due to martin's building as a press review has no bearing on this, Martin is not the voice of Hachette and I'am sure he is reporting as he finds, it is simply that subsrcibers in general seem to be getting a naff service from there customer service provider across the board hence why they are getting hacked off including Martin, one would have thought that if his is a press review sub then he would get his issues bang on the dot, this seems not to be the case ::)   

[Martin (Admin)]

..... I only came here to build a toy boat........ ::)

[colin-stevens]

"A TOY, I COULD HAVE BOUGHT A CAR FOR THAT", as my signiphican't other would say. And frequently does! she's got to go.
women, cant live with 'em, can't put them in the fridge.
you did start it, Ha Ha. you'l know better next time

[Cargo]

..... I only came here to build a toy boat........ ::)

I feel with you my friend... what about building a second one for me?! 

[Cargo]

Its ok Martin, i hope that everything will work out fine for you. Btw. there is a question i have in mind... why is the Bismark that famous in England?

[Martin (Admin)]

It was more the build method that was of interest to me, plus I never built a warship.
... the Bismarck is famous everywhere!

[Cargo]

It was more the build method that was of interest to me, plus I never built a warship.
... the Bismarck is famous everywhere!

Yes, builded her own legend... but i am not proud of that ship... 

[rem2007]

ahoy admiral u alright mate? robert

[marki53]

hi martin!

try to see it in a positve way:

even if they cancelled your 'free build' remember you already saved more than 100GBP

so your ship will be less expensive than ours

i still hope they go on delivering issues and didn't stop because you bought a drive set of some german guy :-[

GO ON BUILDING !!!

markus

[rem2007]

what still an ableseaman after all those nice comments.......still planking.....
robert

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Marki

Have seen your photo on the .co.uk site of you painted Hull prior to its water test,....nice rocks!..... is there a reason why the resin Bow part is not in place ???

[marki53]

not in place ???
mounted all resin parts, so i don't understand what you mean..

will upload the video in the next few minutes

markus

[marki53]

here the videos:

found out that you have to move that round knob under the video a bit to the right, otherwise the video won't play ???

[Down below]

Will be interesting to see what the turn stabilty is like once all the superstructure is in place as it may end up being a little top heavy once all the PE parts are added.

Seems odd Amati are reluctant to state the RC finished model wieght ???

[Cargo]

Looks a bit fast to me on the videos.

[Down below]

Well it does have three motors


Marki

I read you water tested with nylon props...Did the Lassek brass props not live up to the task?

[Martin (Admin)]

Better to have too much power and throttle back rather than having to run flat out all the time..... it's called "anti duck speed"...... because it's not legal to make the guns work!  ::)