Topic: Build the Bismarck - a "Hachett" job? (Read 210371 times)

marki53 · « **Reply #490 on:** July 13, 2007, 03:30:57 PM »

Quote from: Down below on July 13, 2007, 03:16:06 PM

Marki

Would you know if any more problems have come to light in the latest issues out in Germany?

no, maybe because we're building 'only' the superstructure at the moment.
we only had missing parts in iss. 43 (hachette said: packing mistake

)
these shall be delivered with iss 46...

but there will be further problems to come.
looking forward

to their r/c components
maybe with middle prop glued to the resin part ?

just read in their 'preferential offer' that their r/c set contains a 6V/4,5Ah battery
these specs sound a bit like 'lead acid battery' (hope i'm wrong, posted in mark's forum why these shouldn't be used)

markus

Down below · « **Reply #491 on:** July 13, 2007, 03:58:19 PM »

That is good news at least the superstructure is not throwing any problems yet.

Yes the middle prop shaft will be simply glued into place, maybe the idea is you are to spin the centre prop by hand to give the effect

Did you change you deck to a thinner one as some are saying it is too thick?

marki53 · « **Reply #492 on:** July 13, 2007, 04:00:09 PM »

no, don't care about 2mm too much...(3mm instead of 1mm deck)

markus

Down below · « **Reply #493 on:** July 13, 2007, 04:05:05 PM »

I agree but they were saying it caused other problems further down the line.

marki53 · « **Reply #494 on:** July 13, 2007, 05:31:26 PM »

Quote from: Down below on July 13, 2007, 04:05:05 PM

I agree but they were saying it caused other problems further down the line.

the only problem with a 3mm deck is the anchor pocket location, but that's something i can accept because even with a 1mm deck this position isn't accurate

markus

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #495 on:** July 16, 2007, 04:19:10 PM »

Over the last few weeks I've noticed quite a few magazines sets and parts builds for sale on ebay Germany.... funnily enough, all around the isse 30 - 40......Why is that?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bismarck-Hachette-1-200-Schlachtschiff-Ausgabe-1-31_W0QQitemZ180140146164QQihZ008QQcategoryZ81159QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Modellbau-Schiffe-bismarck-1-200-hachette_W0QQitemZ160137887497QQihZ006QQcategoryZ9145QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hachette-Die-Bismarck-1-bis-31-Heft13-incl-org-Ordner_W0QQitemZ150136535953QQihZ005QQcategoryZ9145QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Bismarck-Hachette-1-200-Schlachtschiff-Ausgabe-1-31_W0QQitemZ180134665777QQihZ008QQcategoryZ81159QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Down below · « **Reply #496 on:** July 16, 2007, 04:29:16 PM »

Maybe it is because of all the bad vibes coming from Germany re the accuracy & build problems being associated with this kit?
Even the webmaster of the leading German Bismarck build forum has commented that many over there have said they would ditch the kit on ebay because of what they have found and they are only at issue 44, lets hope Hachette have got it sorted for the UK!

Mind you, I suppose if you get it into perspective then a few dozen dropping out of what is being banded around in Germany as being 20,000 there that have bought into this kit, then I dont think Hachette will be loosing any sleep over this, though they might if off loading this kit gather's pace, no evidence of this yet in the UK other than the odd issue or two appearing on ebay

marki53 · « **Reply #497 on:** July 16, 2007, 05:22:02 PM »

i guess it's those people who have given up, most of them will be beginners who thoght they would make it after hachette offered this kit as 'easy to build'...

markus

Down below · « **Reply #498 on:** July 16, 2007, 05:23:37 PM »

In that case they should be asking for there money back

Daryl · « **Reply #499 on:** July 16, 2007, 09:02:28 PM »

Martin just wondering but;

A/ are you going to have a fleet of them hence the interst
B/ spares incase you mucked anything up
C/ resign from the Hachette fan club and abandon this excellent travisty for a kit

P.s. have you noticed anything odd about the symetry of resin part D

Daryl

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #500 on:** July 17, 2007, 01:25:36 PM »

Down below sent me this....

Dear Readers,

As promised you'll find our answers regarding the points raised recently (2nd planking and portholes).
Regarding the 2nd planking, a few customers think it should not be necessary and could make the model out of scale. This 2nd planking is actually crucial for both the RC and static model of the Bismarck and it is very important to follow the step-by-step instructions. In both cases, the 2nd planking helps to re-inforce the structure, which is an imperative for the RC version. For the static model, the 2nd planking is also particularly useful for beginners as they will find it easier to get a neat finish, the 2nd planking being thinner and easier to apply.
If the modelers sand the 1st and then the 2 planking as per the instructions given in the magazine (from issue 11), all the pieces will fit perfectly as we will show in issue 43.

Concerning the portholes, Amati has chosen to make the building process in 2 stages. This is here again geared towards beginners to avoid any mistake. We first give identical wooden section with holes for both sides. We then give a paper template for the left and the right side and you will just have to fill some holes when necessary and drill some extra ones When done, the model will have the right number of portholes which are correctly positioned. The final steps are explained in issue 54.

We have put a lot of research in this model and we are confident that the finished model will meet your expectations.

Hachette

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #501 on:** July 18, 2007, 07:12:32 PM »

What a planker!

My Bismarck build updated.
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4024.msg49840#msg49840

Lessoned learnt: If you like your finish firm and smooth, don't rush planking ..... just like women! ::)

Captain Povey · « **Reply #502 on:** July 18, 2007, 09:15:34 PM »

Martin, I reckon you got it. Well done mate and all without steaming or using a planking grooving tool by the look of it. Not too much glue oozing everywhere like mine have either. You will be doing any more planked models now then? Cheers Graham

Daryl · « **Reply #503 on:** July 18, 2007, 09:22:30 PM »

At least the lime planks they supply is of good quality, cuts well and is not 'wooly' unlike the last plank on frame partwork I did which was the Bounty

Daryl

Down below · « **Reply #504 on:** July 19, 2007, 12:52:38 PM »

I think the general quality of the kit is good, but think it will be the poor advance thought re the build that let's the kit down; time will only tell on the accuracy issues in which Hachette now seem to be doing there best to put right all be it through cobbled together methods it seems.

Down below · « **Reply #505 on:** July 21, 2007, 02:55:30 PM »

The UK cost of the Hachette RC pack is £125 inc P+P.

It will be available to order via a leaflet supplied within issue 23 and a £10 deposit is required.

The RC pack is to be delivered to customers when issue 58 goes on sale (once the full balance has been recieved).

The set comprises of the following items:

2 x Graupner 'Speed 400' motors with suppressors

1 x Graupner 'Navy V40R' ESC

1 x Thunder Tiger 'Ace' 2-channel 40Mhz AM radio set with one Servo & AA type battery box

2 x 2:1 Gearboxes

2 x Rudder assemblies

3 x Propellers

2 x Prop shafts

1 x Dummy centre prop shaft

1 x 6-Volt 4.5ah Battery & Charger

A 2 year guarantee is given for the Graupner bits & the identical set is also being supplied in Germany.

The standard partwork disclaimer applies - items may vary from those shown

rem2007 · « **Reply #506 on:** July 21, 2007, 04:40:02 PM »

Hi all, new to this scheme and am on week 11 anyone in Torbay doing this one? if so drop me a line.

Cheers robert

DickyD · « **Reply #507 on:** July 21, 2007, 04:53:05 PM »

Welcome to the forum.

rem2007 · « **Reply #508 on:** July 21, 2007, 06:01:37 PM »

Matin, you photos and build look great with good tips, I think your part 47 is wrong though, rfer to photo 10 week 9 the rib is backwards which is why your piece 47 is wrong, I hope it doesnt cause too many problems' Cheers for the tips and photos again robert

Down below · « **Reply #509 on:** July 21, 2007, 08:15:58 PM »

Oops Martin.....he's right :-[......... Well spotted Rem2007

It also means you have rib 39a the wrong way round as the rudder servo support part 47 can only be located the correct way round you have rib 39a the correct way round as shown in issue 8 step 9, (the Servo slot in part 47 should be facing you as in iss 8 tep 9 and not the opposite way round as you have got it.

It should not make a lot of difference as to which side of 39a the Rudder Servo is installed but we dont know for sure what else have in mind Amati at this stage

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #510 on:** July 21, 2007, 09:32:16 PM »

"I wondered who be the first to spot that! Well done corporal Jones."

............................. I meant to do do that to see if you were paying attention. ::)
Fortunately, as you say it only means the rudders goes round the other way!
Remind me to tell Capitain Lindemann.

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #511 on:** July 21, 2007, 10:05:57 PM »

I think it was the rudders going the other way that doomed the original ship Martin!

Daryl · « **Reply #512 on:** July 22, 2007, 08:00:03 AM »

Can't get the staff

Down below · « **Reply #513 on:** July 22, 2007, 09:51:52 AM »

Building by the book eh Martin

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #514 on:** July 22, 2007, 10:15:56 PM »

"Leave it!"

rem2007 · « **Reply #515 on:** July 22, 2007, 11:31:47 PM »

Hope that doesn't ruin your build mate,...........still a newbie here and thought I should point it out. Just about to start planking and your photos and ideas are going to help. If only I could get my wokshop an deck built as quickly, but it won't stop raining. How does it look so far?

Down below · « **Reply #516 on:** July 23, 2007, 08:36:28 AM »

It looks oke doke

Keep it weighted down and so keeping the hull flat until you have the planking completed as all this damp weather can induce a twist n warp in the Hull, once the planking is in place it will prevent the problem

rem2007 · « **Reply #517 on:** July 24, 2007, 12:11:10 AM »

Yeah, was sanding tonite and my arm started to fall off. Thanks again here fo all the great tips. Went to the Park in Paignton on Sunday morning and no one was there. Maybe next week, but the little guy has footy matchs Sunday mornings when we get bcak from holidays. Well it will be 2 1/2 years before I launch this puppy as its my first rc build. Anyway gents cheers for the information and keep your keels straight.
Robert

Down below · « **Reply #518 on:** July 24, 2007, 08:53:46 AM »

We are all happy to help anytime you want to drop by

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #519 on:** July 24, 2007, 11:58:02 AM »

Hi rem2007,

All I'd say from what I've learned from my planking is;

1. Test fit EACH plank TWICE. Ensure it fits neatly against the adjacent plank and ribs before gluing.
2. Despite the remtation to do 3 or 4 at a time and cover the whole lot in glue!
3. Chamfer or bevel the edge of adjacent planks for a better fit.
4. The planking clamps are very usefull.
5. Don't rush it.

....... Hind sight is 20:20!

Daryl · « **Reply #520 on:** July 25, 2007, 09:14:04 AM »

for all the antipodeian members Ihave had this from Hachette in australia. Nicola is the girl rsonsable for the launch over there.

Hello,
This will be coming to Australia in August this year. TV advertising
will commence at the time of this launch.
Regards
Nicola

Down below · « **Reply #521 on:** July 25, 2007, 09:22:07 AM »

Have heard it is also to go on sale in Italy & France about that time too.

The back of the RC offer leaflet suggests the kit is also to go on sale in South Africa & New Zealand

Seems the Bismarck is doing a world tour

Nothing like pushing the boat out

cbr900 · « **Reply #522 on:** July 25, 2007, 01:34:26 PM »

Daryl,

Do you have the ladies email address, I would like to join the Bismark Fleet........

Roy

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #523 on:** July 25, 2007, 08:15:49 PM »

My Motors have arrive from Marki53 & Germany!

Thanks Mark..... and you even get a bag of sweets!
How's that for service!

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #524 on:** July 25, 2007, 08:17:11 PM »

There I was all cocky with myself and look what's happened! ??? ???

I can't see anything wrong, just looks like the glue didn't hold. Any ideas?

I've glued it back and clamped it down but I have no ideas and never had this problem before. Needless to say, I've gone round all the other but joints and applied more glue both inside and out.

Ah well, looks OK to me! ::)

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