Topic: Waterline models (Read 13546 times)

cos918 · « **Reply #105 on:** December 25, 2011, 06:09:51 PM »

Hi Ali
very nice drawing.

John

wartsilaone · « **Reply #106 on:** December 25, 2011, 06:22:22 PM »

I got a bit carried away...as usual.

Ali.

Norseman · « **Reply #107 on:** December 25, 2011, 09:23:09 PM »

Ali - answer me a question re windows - forgive my ignorance.
On your scale of model would you say the square windows are
the same(ish) size? .......... and though differently spaced are
they generally along a straight line (at least in small groups)?

Regards Dave

wartsilaone · « **Reply #108 on:** December 25, 2011, 09:43:40 PM »

On this model The windows are square because I am using a square ended nail to make them. Smaller windows are done simply by not pressing so far into the model itself. However future models will probably be made from FIMO and I will be able to make implements for whatever shape window I want. They are along a straight line but the upper edge of the smaller windows are usually in line with the upper edge of the bigger ones.

Ali.

Norseman · « **Reply #109 on:** December 26, 2011, 01:03:22 AM »

Hi Ali

for some odd reason I was thinking about typesetting (our grey matter is mysterious stuff)
then I got to thinking about your models and your nail, and how some of the chaps on here
are a whiz with brass.

What if you made/had made a brass bar with a flatted top, of a diameter that took the brass
prongs (plus screw) from some old 13 amp plugs. had these prongs milled to a thickness (or
thickness's of your choice) and then used milled sections of a one size larger tube as spacers
(or washers could do it less elegantly). Length of tool up to you but I'm thinking 100 - 150mm.

So I am thinking that, line - spacing - depth - end shape/s ......... could all be controlled more
finely and repitition would be easy. What do you think then? .......and 'rubbish' is ok too Ali.

Dave

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #110 on:** December 26, 2011, 11:17:58 AM »

If you think you have window problems then how about this?

My Xmas present. 1:1250 scale and weighs 0.8kg. Having recently sailed on the original it has a special attraction for me.

Previously I had not rated the external appearance of QM2 very highly although her interiors are fabulous but in model form you can see that she does have a certain attractiveness despite her size. When you see her in reality she is so big that you only really see part of the ship.

In answer to the earlier question, just about all the current master models of 1:1250 scale ships are still made in Germany and I believe they are constructed largely of plastic.

Colin

wartsilaone · « **Reply #111 on:** December 26, 2011, 05:32:27 PM »

Well Dave. It's not a bad idea having a single tool which can be changed into whatever configuration is needed. I'm not sure I'll be able to build one how you described but it did get me thinking and I shall try the following method next time.

I'll be trialling KIMO and to imprint the windows on the clay like material I will make a pattern which is a negative of how the windows are set out. The backing will be thin plastic so it can be peeled off after being pressed into the clay.

Ali.

wartsilaone · « **Reply #112 on:** January 04, 2012, 02:13:48 PM »

Hi guys. Now that my son is back at school I didn't want to waste my day off so I got cracking.

Also this arrived in the post today....Well chuffed.

Ali.

Norseman · « **Reply #113 on:** January 04, 2012, 02:46:25 PM »

Hi Ali

Sorry but I completely missed your previous post hence no reply. Yes new tool / mask looks ok.
Any help has got to be better than freehanding it every time. If you E mail me a 1:1 mask (with
the dimensions marked if possible) I'll have a little think.

Dave

wartsilaone · « **Reply #114 on:** January 04, 2012, 02:53:43 PM »

Hi Dave. I found a really good web site which tell you how the pro's make masters. It's quite enlightening and I'll have adopt a few techniques used.

http://www.shipmodels.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/default.htm

Also I have set up my own web site.

http://ferrysmallships.moonfruit.com/#

Ali.

wartsilaone · « **Reply #115 on:** January 04, 2012, 09:51:30 PM »

I need to know how the seats are arranged on the aft observation deck. Dose anyone have any photos please?

Ali.

carlmt · « **Reply #116 on:** January 04, 2012, 10:01:00 PM »

Hi Ali - back in Blighty as of this morning after an 'interesting' crossing from Dunkerque last night!!!! Slightly rough seas and a 5 hour queue to get into the port.......a little windy in the Channel !!!!

I have loads of pictures........but they are all on my mobile hard drive which is at work. Will be able to sort them out in the morning if thats ok? If someone else can help in the meantime that would be great.

One question - are you going to cast the hull and superstructure seperately on this one? If not, will you not have problems with the undercuts?

Looking absolutely delicious!!!!!! Observation - the sides of the funnels should be flush with the sides of the superstructure and sloping at the same angle.

Really looking forward to adding this one to the collection - many consider the design to be 'odd', however I think it is 'fresh' - especially when compared to the other ferries of the day.

Will get the photos to you in the morning mate......
Carl

wartsilaone · « **Reply #117 on:** January 04, 2012, 10:13:39 PM »

Hi Carl. Welcome back mate.

I'm happy to wait thanks, you can't these things. I intend to cast them separately, the under cuts are not much of a problem with the silicone rubber but the closeness of the bulwarks to the superstructure and other bits are a concern. I need also to make sure I get no bubbles but I'm looking into making a vacuum box which if it works would suck any trapped air out the resin before it goes hard.

Oh and I'm all over the funnels

Ali.

carlmt · « **Reply #118 on:** January 04, 2012, 10:27:00 PM »

He he - I guessed you might be........excellent progress so far

And an excellent addition with the Norsun.....how did you come by that then?

cos918 · « **Reply #119 on:** January 04, 2012, 10:28:59 PM »

Hi Ali
The sprit of free Enterprise is looking good.

Here are 2 photos to go on tell me if you need more.

John

Ps did you see that ferry in the paper yesterday . I thing it was normdany ? strugling to get back in to dover.

wartsilaone · « **Reply #120 on:** January 04, 2012, 10:29:06 PM »

I found it completely by accident when doing a image search.
http://www.etsy.com/shop/IndigoHeirlooms?section_id=7172776&page=1

wartsilaone · « **Reply #121 on:** January 04, 2012, 10:31:15 PM »

Thanks for the photos John. I bet there's some ships struggling tonight.

cos918 · « **Reply #122 on:** January 04, 2012, 10:42:09 PM »

There will be strugling to night.
here are some better photos of her . This is the Science muesum model

john

wartsilaone · « **Reply #123 on:** January 04, 2012, 10:44:53 PM »

Thanks again John. I'll be in touch about the stuff on the bow.

carlmt · « **Reply #124 on:** January 04, 2012, 10:54:55 PM »

That is a nice model - if I can get the r/c version as good I will be one happy chappy!!!!

John - which paper was the photo in? I saw a news report last night whilst crossing from Dunkerque that showed the European Seaway entering Dover in the gale..........but by then the port was open again. They closed it for a few hours late morning which caused an interesting backlog in the French harbours!!!

They seem to be coping this evening so far.............
http://www.doverferryphotos.co.uk/ais.htm

Carl

Norseman · « **Reply #125 on:** January 04, 2012, 11:45:45 PM »

Hi Carl

What a great link - I had no idea we could see that, nor how crowded it is out there.
Scarily close, night, stormy - Let's hope a safe passage for them all.
Being able to get images of the ships named is also great. I quite like the Suecia Seaways.

It's really windy here in Liverpool - ages since it's been so bad. I hear the trains have stopped too.

Dave

carlmt · « **Reply #126 on:** January 05, 2012, 11:21:48 AM »

Image of the Norman Spirit entering Dover on the 3rd January.

The 'Old Man' must have been a little tense!!!!!!!
Carl

wartsilaone · « **Reply #127 on:** January 05, 2012, 11:25:22 AM »

I love pictures like this, so much drama.

Norseman · « **Reply #128 on:** January 05, 2012, 12:01:44 PM »

Those three red lights add quite a lot to the image's intensity too.
Not only physchologically for being red, but they really do draw the eye
away frm the bow action and into the proximity of a possible collision.

Dave

arrow5 · « **Reply #129 on:** January 05, 2012, 12:11:00 PM »

The classic "Titan Uranus" moment.

carlmt · « **Reply #130 on:** January 05, 2012, 12:11:47 PM »

It wasnt quite as choppy as that when we crossed in the evening - but close!!!!
very interesting watching the tugs assisting the ferries to berth - tremendous skill...............

Ali - out of all the pictures I have of the 'Spirit' class vessels (very many kindly supplied by John), this is the only one that I think may be of any use to you regarding the deck seating......
Sorry mate - most of the photos are of Oleander - and she has this area converted to cabins............
Carl

cos918 · « **Reply #131 on:** January 05, 2012, 04:50:08 PM »

Hi Carl
it was the mail. but it was that photo.

John

wartsilaone · « **Reply #132 on:** January 05, 2012, 10:54:54 PM »

I've added a bit more to my ferry small ships web site. Check it out and join of you want, let me know if you have any suggestions.

http://ferrysmallships.moonfruit.com/#

Ali.

carlmt · « **Reply #133 on:** January 05, 2012, 11:03:28 PM »

Signed up last night Ali

Will you be adding a shop to allow visitors to purchase the models - via paypal maybe?
Carl

Norseman · « **Reply #134 on:** January 06, 2012, 12:00:10 AM »

Hey Ali

I posted a topic on your site - well a few questions really. You might see it as an
opportunity to interest customers new to waterline via understanding the class -
anyway see what you think.

Dave

cos918 · « **Reply #135 on:** January 06, 2012, 06:53:32 PM »

Have a look at this German model shop

http://www.classic-ship.de/4dcgi/pws_cmd_area/cmd=1_uid=2758_sid=5152525752575353573B54392437313B54394C5A5B52575255575054_url=/products/index.html

John

carlmt · « **Reply #136 on:** January 06, 2012, 10:10:37 PM »

Very nice John - but my god, have you seen the prices?

£115 for the European Seaway and nigh on £200 for the Colour Magic !!!!!

I think Ali's prices are bargains if this is the norm for 1:1250 waterline models.

And some people complain about £400 for a large scale radio control detailed kit????????
Carl

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #137 on:** January 06, 2012, 10:22:00 PM »

They are high end models for 1:1250 collectors. Most models to this scale are around half that amount pricewise but there are few modern ferries featured by other manufacturers.

These sort of models are collectables which, while not being an investment as such, do tend to hold their value as many have only limited production runs.

I would only pay these particular prices if the ship had a special meaning for me such as Brittany Ferries Bretagne on which I have sailed on many occasions over the last 20 years.

Colin

wartsilaone · « **Reply #138 on:** January 06, 2012, 11:05:34 PM »

I think I can do a pretty good Bretagne for £80 Colin.

wartsilaone · « **Reply #139 on:** January 06, 2012, 11:16:23 PM »

I'll post some links to other good shops later.

Ali.

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