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Steam boats banned
« on: April 12, 2011, 08:18:58 am »
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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2011, 08:53:12 am »
the usual madness

This seasons colour will be bubblewrap
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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2011, 08:56:53 am »
And rightly so too. Dangerous toys using fire and petrol, Even got an ex purt to give the reasons.

  Says nowt about Diesels or Glow though?   %) or "Screaming jet boats" we were accused of 50 odd years ago ( ED Racer or Hunter)

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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2011, 09:18:54 am »
If that is so, and people ARE using uncertificated boilers on a public lake that is also used by a club, then I don't blame the club or the council for banning them.

An uncertificated boiler is an un insured boiler, and if anything did go wrong on a lake used by a club, I'm damn sure that the recipient of the injury would sue the council and the club that sails on the lake for not taking adequate  control.

It's the usual case though of the socially inept and inconsiderate minority spoiling it for the majority.

I searched high and low for a tester of my twin engined Imara, knowing full well that I would never steam it, but always able too..cost me ten quid to join a club who had insursance................so DON'T BLAME THE CLUB........they are only looking after their own and members interests.....blame the individuals who don't tow the line and asusual are being anti social to the rest of us.

after all you wouldn't want your kids or grand kids maiming scarring or even being killed by an exploding boiler or a flying nitro.........I know I wouldn't!!!!
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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2011, 10:23:31 am »
Brush, Tar and everybody spring to mind nhp651. Should we ban cars cos not ALL who drive have a licence? The inference that all steam powered models run at high speed and crash into the bank are a danger is far from the norm.

  They should also introduce a speed limit and noise level limit cos lots of "Safe" lecky powered missiles are just as bad.

  Oh, and don't forget the Frequency checker  :-))

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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2011, 11:13:13 am »
that's what society is all about Ian.the majority get blamed for the minority of rectal orofices, but you can't blame the club or the council for covering their backs just because of a minority want to act unsociably
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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2011, 11:16:48 am »
I wonder if that local council will ban the steam traction engines as well?
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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2011, 11:32:04 am »
How many people killed / injured by a steam boiler exploding.. How many people killed by a car hitting them on the road.. They going to ban cars as well.. <*<

Idiots..

Would be intersting for the council to back up their claim that clubs asked them to be banned from lakes..
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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2011, 12:39:25 pm »
I hope the Club Chairman is pleased with his achievement in getting these dangerous craft banned.
It is a well know FACT that being anywhere NEAR water can have fatal consequences!!  Just look at the number of deaths and injuries caused when in the vicinity of water!

Unlike "Stan the Man" - I offer proof of my findings ...

2007: Jennifer Strange, a 28-year-old American woman from Sacramento, died of water intoxication while trying to win a Nintendo Wii console in a KDND 107.9 "The End" radio station's "Hold Your Wee for a Wii" contest, which involved drinking large quantities of water without urinating.

You can't be too careful  %) %) %)

God help us all!!

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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2011, 12:49:14 pm »
Think we had better ban weapons on nuclear subs as well in case anybody decides to kill someome on their own side... Oops to late....!!!

Wirral Council had better ban swimming as well just incase.

A total of 17 people drowned in Latvia last weekend as people sought to cool off during a heatwave. At least 40 people have so far been confirmed as drowned this month.

Also a Swan killed a swimmer there as well   , There are swans at the NB Pond ..

So in total a lot more deaths than I have been able to find for any Model Steam Engine injuries for the type in Model Boats..

Again What a bunch of Ill informed Idiots.

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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2011, 01:22:37 pm »
Remove the water ----  Remove the risk -----  Simples   %% %%


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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2011, 01:27:43 pm »
Quote from: Circlip on April 12, 2011, 10:23:31 am
"Safe" lecky powered missiles are just as bad.


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True have you seen a lipo go pop?
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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2011, 01:33:30 pm »
Reading the article again I get the impression it is the Chairman of NBMBC who asked the council to put up the signs, so in fact Did the council ban them or is it just the club who have decided that they do not want steam boats on the Pond.. If it is just the club then I would have thought that the signs mean nothing as to my knowledge the lake is a Public pond and not owned by the club.  A bit like the signs DO NOt Feed the Swans.. Nobody takes a blind bit of notice..

Also I Have seen a 6Volt Lead acid battery explode so we had better ban them as well.. :police:

 
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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2011, 02:24:24 pm »
   of subject but                                     this sounds like the council at colwyn bay where i sail, we cannot park cars on grass as it damages the grass, have to leave boats on bank then park car on car park 100yards away other side of buildings, in the mean time your boat can get pinched if you are on your own but hay that dont matter the grass is safe

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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2011, 04:29:20 pm »
Just a little bit off topic, but perhaps revelant. For the past couple of years our lake at Tynemouth was in a disgusting state due to weed and algae growth (now cleared)....but the general public seemed quite keen to blame the club for not cleaning up the lake. Understandable in its way I suppose. So I can well imagine the directions fingers would be pointed if a non-club member had a boiler blow up. BY.
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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2011, 05:32:02 am »
The old fragmentation grenade effect is still being bandied about even though it has been conclusively proved that these small boilers are incapable of exploding. If they were dangerous then it has been suggested that they would detonate with the ferocity of a fragmentation grenade in which case a 5.5 inch gauge loco would probably explode with the effect of a 105mm howitzer shell,. a 7 1/4 inch boiler would no doubt go off like a 500 lb aerial bomb and a  full size steam road tractor would detonate like a  stick of a thousand pounders. How dare the owners of such devices expose the public to such risks. It has been suggested that the risk lies with the inexperienced  operators of the small boilers, whereas those with the large steam boilers are responsible people who know what they are doing and are thereby risk free. From my observations many of these so-called operators are aging rapidly and are showing clear signs of dementia and confusion and need to be tested for signs of dangerous irrationality.

The problem is that even though it is glaringly obvious that the small boilers are quite safe there is still a reluctance of officials to allow them to operate purely because they don't want to be known as the person who allowed a potential danger to be accepted by the authorities. Even though there is no potential danger.
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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2011, 07:44:49 am »
It would be interesting if a member of the club concerned who asked for the ban would have the guts to come forward and state why they thought they should ask the council to ban steam boats.

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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2011, 08:38:59 am »
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But Stan Parkinson, chairman of New Brighton Model Boat Club, said the ban was introduced for safety reasons, primarily to protect children who visit the lake to watch enthusiasts sailing model boats.



Read More http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2011/04/12/steam-boats-banned-from-wirral-boating-lakes-92534-28501625/2/#ixzz1JO1in5CS

 Problem with posting reports is that some readers don't actually read and understand the written words. It was on page two however.

 I wonder how many "Officials" would be sent round to enforce the rule if some miscreant has the audacity to flaunt it? Perhaps there should be a high fence erected around the pond to ensure no-one falls in cos we ALL know what's likely to happen then.

  Regards  Ian.
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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2011, 12:21:50 pm »
What a sad day for model boating as a whole. We should be sticking together not fragmenting. Unfortunately it seems that Mr Parkinson is relatively ignorant as regards other sections of model boating... petrol boats exploding, never heard of one doing so. I can relate to lake size being a problem with larger faster craft but really... Petrol boats "really are designed for off-shore"??? Maybe he should visit a Naviga FSR-V or FSR-O competition.

Uninformed, badly informed or just being uninterested in other parts of the hobby is no excuse to take this line. Any one got a monster electric boat that can go and run there? They can cause a hell of a lot of damage as well. Lipos are a documented as bursting into flames but the reality is that it is a rare occurrence.
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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2011, 01:31:11 pm »
As an observation, no boiler certificate does not mean no insurance. Have a look at your household insurance which contains a third party liability section in case someone is injured by your hobby - I forget the exact phrase but its something like boats over 20 feet and planes over x feet in span.

You do not have to belong to a club to use public water - its upkeep is paid for by the tax payer - so insurance by the club is fine but if you are not a member, no insurance - not try - read the insurance policies.

It sounds like someone at the club took action out of spite - hope they are proud of themselves.

Does any one operate a steam boat capable of high speed and damage in the event of a collission - it seems to me large scale yachts are more than capable of doing great damage - perhaps we should ban those as well, or what about fast electrics ?

All nonsence PC gone mad.

Rant over!!

Enjoy the boating whilst we can, then ignore the ban and see what happens!

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« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2011, 06:35:39 am »
Those sailing boats have pointy masts..... could have someones eye out with one of those!

Better ban them as well
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Re: Steam boats banned
« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2011, 08:00:39 am »
Quite simply, I do not think the council have banned these boats. That would take a local bye law, something which I doubt the council would put the time and effort into. The signs are more likely there to frighten people away from using the boats. I seriously doubt any penalties could be imposed, so who is going to be the first to try it out?
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« Reply #22 on: April 14, 2011, 08:33:55 am »
It wouldn't be the first time that councils have put up signs banning something or other without having a byelaw to back it up,
anything from from banning walking on the grass to not allowing dogs etc - many moons ago they often used to quote the bylaw number
on the signs - council should be able to provide a copy of the byelaws on request.

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« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2011, 08:44:44 am »
I'm afraid to go down to the pond now........ there will soon be an encampment of injury claim solicitors on the green opposite waiting to pounce on anyone visiting the water. Unfortunately its just another face to our sue sue sue ambulance chasing litigation society that has drifted in from across the big pond.
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« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2011, 11:02:33 am »
But the person having the accident is NEVER to blame  >>:-(

People just don't take responsibility for their own actions any more.  {:-{

BTW There used to be 'Polite' notices instead of 'Police'  :police:
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