Topic: Prop Rotation (Read 4422 times)

ACTion · « **Reply #35 on:** July 17, 2011, 12:35:33 PM »

Colin

Your call on Thursday was concerned solely with reversing the direction of rotation of a propeller (as per the title of this thread). During that call you told me that both props are identical; now it seems that they are handed. It wasn't until I read this thread that it transpires the problem may be elsewhere - and yes, I do get irritated when folk use this Forum to post just enough information to cast doubts over a product but not enough to identify the problem.

This unit supports tank steering, so use that facility to test it for correct operation of forward/reverse.

Connect the two Rx leads marked T and S to the Throttle and Elevator channels of the receiver. These correspond to the vertical movement of each Tx stick. Set the Mode switches on P94 both to ON and switch the system on. Move the throttle stick forwards and backwards and one motor should run and change direction as you pass through neutral stick (and the corresponding LED on the fuseboard will change colour). Now move the other stick and see if the other motor does the same.

If either motor fails to reverse then there is a fault with the P94. This will involve replacing either the switching transistor or the relay on one output, and will require the unit to be send back to ACTion.

If both motors work correctly then there is no fault with the P94. Either you have made an error in your connections or there is a problem with the radio.

DM

mersey dave · « **Reply #36 on:** July 17, 2011, 12:43:11 PM »

Hi Colin, this might sound a daft question but here goes, You say you are using the p94 which i use myself now you have two leads that go from the p94 to your RX one goes to throttle and the other goes to the rudder channel then you plug your rudder servo into the p94 . Now the thing is on most setups channel one on your Rx is the rudder but on the planet rx this is the throttle have you checked that these are in the right place, just a thought.

Regards Dave.

shimsham · « **Reply #37 on:** July 17, 2011, 01:10:01 PM »

Dave. Bob and myself went through that last night you name we did it.

shimsham · « **Reply #38 on:** July 17, 2011, 01:19:36 PM »

Quote from: ACTion on July 17, 2011, 12:35:33 PM

Colin

Your call on Thursday was concerned solely with reversing the direction of rotation of a propeller (as per the title of this thread). During that call you told me that both props are identical; now it seems that they are handed. It wasn't until I read this thread that it transpires the problem may be elsewhere - and yes, I do get irritated when folk use this Forum to post just enough information to cast doubts over a product but not enough to identify the problem.

This unit supports tank steering, so use that facility to test it for correct operation of forward/reverse.

Connect the two Rx leads marked T and S to the Throttle and Elevator channels of the receiver. These correspond to the vertical movement of each Tx stick. Set the Mode switches on P94 both to ON and switch the system on. Move the throttle stick forwards and backwards and one motor should run and change direction as you pass through neutral stick (and the corresponding LED on the fuseboard will change colour). Now move the other stick and see if the other motor does the same.

If either motor fails to reverse then there is a fault with the P94. This will involve replacing either the switching transistor or the relay on one output, and will require the unit to be send back to ACTion.

If both motors work correctly then there is no fault with the P94. Either you have made an error in your connections or there is a problem with the radio.

DM

Dave. I am trying my hardest to tell you that bob and myself have done all what you say,there is only 1-2 that will work the throttle and rudder in that order,i also went through it with Jerome @ SHG bob and myself done the tank steering contrary to what you might think i do KNOW what switches 1-2 are for inside the esc i have got a folder almost half full which i can go back to revise, moderated

DickyD · « **Reply #39 on:** July 17, 2011, 02:49:52 PM »

Are the pos and neg wires from the P102 and the P94 wired correctly ?

shimsham · « **Reply #40 on:** July 17, 2011, 02:50:28 PM »

Planet

shimsham · « **Reply #41 on:** July 17, 2011, 02:59:39 PM »

Quote from: DickyD on July 17, 2011, 02:49:52 PM

Are the pos and neg wires from the P102 and the P94 wired correctly ?

I do beleive the top ones may be incorrect,think they should be the next block above but i think the bottom ones are ok

shimsham · « **Reply #42 on:** July 17, 2011, 06:28:41 PM »

Taken Today

Peter Fitness · « **Reply #43 on:** July 18, 2011, 06:20:36 AM »

Uncle Albert, DickyD suggested that you change the wiring on one of the motors, yet photo 4 shows the same polarity on each motor. I use a P94 in my Armidale patrol boat, and wired the motors so one rotated left and the other right, simply by swapping the red and black wires on one motor. The red (positive) wire is on the outside terminal of each motor.This works both in forward and reverse. Photo below.

I also notice that Dave suggested you send the P94 unit back to him for testing and/or replacement if you thought it was faulty...have you done that?

Peter.

colin-d · « **Reply #44 on:** July 18, 2011, 07:00:37 AM »

i was just about to say exactly the same as Peter, until i had seen what he had typed...

i also have a P94, and most defiantly look at the photo`s the motors are wired up wrongly... they should be wired up as in peters photo..

DickyD · « **Reply #45 on:** July 18, 2011, 08:25:05 AM »

Glad someone took notice of what I said.

[Proud owner of two operational P94s.]

shimsham · « **Reply #46 on:** July 18, 2011, 09:27:03 AM »

Peter. Both the motors have had the wiring reversed contary to what some people may think,as i have said in earlier postings that Bob and i spent two hours on Saturday night trying all options,Bob is sending the findings to Action today to see what Dave thinks and possibly then the unit will be sent back for testing,have a look at the diagram on the Action website and i think the wiring is correct,
I also spoke with a very respected guy in the electronics world yesterday who suggested he knew of a guy who had this same problem and problem was changing the servo to another channel.

shimsham · « **Reply #47 on:** July 18, 2011, 09:29:23 AM »

Quote from: DickyD on July 18, 2011, 08:25:05 AM

Glad someone took notice of what I said.

[Proud owner of two operational P94s.]

Why dont anybody.

DickyD · « **Reply #48 on:** July 18, 2011, 10:23:13 AM »

Quote from: Uncle Albert on July 18, 2011, 09:27:03 AM

Peter. Both the motors have had the wiring reversed contary to what some people may think,as i have said in earlier postings that Bob and i spent two hours on Saturday night trying all options,Bob is sending the findings to Action today to see what Dave thinks and possibly then the unit will be sent back for testing,have a look at the diagram on the Action website and i think the wiring is correct,
I also spoke with a very respected guy in the electronics world yesterday who suggested he knew of a guy who had this same problem and problem was changing the servo to another channel.

I didn't say both, I said ONE !!

mersey dave · « **Reply #49 on:** July 18, 2011, 10:32:52 AM »

Hi Colin, Having looked at your photos i have to agree with what has been said in relation to the wiring to the motors. I have had a good look at the way i have connected up mine and it is not the way you have done.
I must add that i have the P94 in my tug and have never been so happy in the way it performs, I WOULD highly recommend this unit to all that i know

Regards Dave.

PS. i am not having a go at you but sometimes we tend to overlook the obvious.

shimsham · « **Reply #50 on:** July 18, 2011, 10:57:03 AM »

Quote from: DickyD on July 18, 2011, 10:23:13 AM

I didn't say both, I said ONE !!

Have you had a look at the drawings,both motors have been changed one at a time and did make no differance to the rotation on foward or reverse,i have just been and run the motors as they,forward movement is correct i do beleive starboard side clockwise port side anti-clockwise in reverse both the motors go clockwise,if i go and change the wires on one of the motors the forward motors both go clockwise and in reverse rotate as the should in reverse rotation,now i have tried this test on both motors and did make no differance at all,i have also tried to change the rudder to another channel but i think it will only operate on channel 2

shimsham · « **Reply #51 on:** July 18, 2011, 11:10:36 AM »

Thanks Dave for that but i have changed the wiring on the motors that many times i dont know which is the right and wrong way.

colin-d · « **Reply #52 on:** July 18, 2011, 11:19:44 AM »

i know these might be a silly questions, and probable been asked before..!!

are the Dip switches in the P94 in the correct position..!! is the variable resistor set to about 50%

which Mode are you using on the P94..??

bluebird · « **Reply #53 on:** July 18, 2011, 11:22:29 AM »

hi

I think we have over-looked the simple solution that Uncle Albert might have done and that is to swap the motor wires over at the terminal blocks on the fuse board - %)leaving the motor wires soldered in place is a lot easier I think than getting the soldering iron out.

aye

john

Tug---Kenny · « **Reply #54 on:** July 18, 2011, 11:25:01 AM »

Not one mention of a Meter yet.

It's the only way forward.

Ken

mersey dave · « **Reply #55 on:** July 18, 2011, 11:25:38 AM »

Hi Colin looking at the photo you do not have the rudder servo plugged into the p94, can you confirm if you have ...........or is it plugged into the receiver, if it is plugged into the receiver this is in correct as it should be plugged into the p94 as shown in the diagram.

Regards Dave.

bluebird · « **Reply #56 on:** July 18, 2011, 11:35:32 AM »

hi i think it’s time now for Uncle Albert to box the p94 up and send it back to Dave - for the boss to have a look at the unit. Dave will decide it is at fault or whatever. By the time we have spent waffling on

- on here Dave could have had it sorted and Uncle Albert could have been sailing.

Aye
john

shimsham · « **Reply #57 on:** July 18, 2011, 12:00:36 PM »

Just changed the wires over on the starboard motor but its made difference.

DickyD · « **Reply #58 on:** July 18, 2011, 12:12:31 PM »

Send it back to Dave Colin, he's already said he'd fix it if it is the problem.

In the time we have spent wafflling on about this Dave could have fixed it and sent it back to you.

shimsham · « **Reply #59 on:** July 18, 2011, 02:44:28 PM »

It went about 2hrs ago.

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #60 on:** July 18, 2011, 06:01:53 PM »

OK, I'll lock the topic there to give the manufactures a chance to investigate e further and post a response.

Admin

ACTion · « **Reply #61 on:** August 06, 2011, 01:53:41 PM »

Further to this tale, this customer eventually sent back his P94. It arrived at 12.40pm yesterday. I tested it and found that the fault was due to a fatally damaged microprocessor. The only way this damage could have occurred was either incorrect connection to the receiver or excess voltage from the receiver. Both of these are considered to be 'user' issues and thus would preclude the unit from free repair under the terms of our warranty. However for various reasons we don't consider it worth our while to pursue payment from this person. The microprocessor was replaced, the unit was re-tested and subsequently returned to him by First Class post at 1515 hrs yesterday afternoon.
Dave Milbourn - ACTion R/C Electronics

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