Topic: HMS EXETER BUILD 1939 (Read 6183 times)

rottweiler · « **Reply #35 on:** March 27, 2012, 07:23:36 PM »

Just found your build! congratulations,it is looking superb.If my build of HMS RAMILLIES looks even half as good as EXETER,then I shall be well pleased! Nice photos also.I wish my early photos were as clear.?I am not really a modeller,more of a muddler,so I am unable to make small fittings,and instead will rely on Haynes and Deans Marine fittings,which are excellent in their own right.I have just received a sample of Deans ready cut planking,and I will be using that.I wont be plating my model,as you say most of it disappears,and working out "stealer plates" is beyond me I'm afraid.I am going to keep a weather eye open on your build,I am going to learn a lot,so thanks for that.
Two queries for you please,which I can use on my build... What actual colour will you be using for the main hull,and will it be semi Matt or gloss?
And could you perhaps PM me with a diagram of how you do get the "caulking" effect on your deck planking please?
Your Ajax looks a wonderful build as well!
Cheers,
Mick

bluebird · « **Reply #36 on:** March 27, 2012, 08:10:38 PM »

hi ya there

here's a quick scribble to try and explain how I am achieving the assimilated black caulking between planks - process I use - cut the planks to length (several of them) and in this case - they work out 3" being equivalent at 1:96 scale which is approx 24 ft in real life size. The width of the plank is just under 2mm = to just over 6 - 7 inches broad. In real life its a bit overscale in width. The thickness of the plank is 0.5 mm. Working from the centre of the deck; out over towards the edges; I begin by laying what is known as a 'King plank' down the centre line. Between each joint of planks - I draw with a black biro pen on the edge of each plank so when they are butted together - end to end - you can see the black line between the planks. Then, when the planks have dried on the long edge of the row of planks; with the biro pressed hard into the edge and sub deck - draw the black line. Next stage is to glue the next row of planks which butt up against your first row of King planks - remembering to calculate the joint distances. Hope this explains a bit more

deadbeat · « **Reply #37 on:** March 27, 2012, 09:34:12 PM »

I experimented with this method when I was planking HMS Nubian, however, I used a felt tip and as you can imagine I got ink bleed into the wood so I don't recommend a felt tip. A ball point is the way to go. Perhaps a soft sharp pencil might do a similar job?

Capt Podge · « **Reply #38 on:** March 27, 2012, 09:35:02 PM »

Hey John,

Despite your modesty, she's coming on a treat - steady as she goes lad

We had a very brief meeting on Sunday last but great to see you on your feet again - keep it up mate.

Regards,

Ray.

rottweiler · « **Reply #39 on:** March 27, 2012, 10:11:24 PM »

Thanks John,that certainly looks the way to go.I was planning to use thin card,between the planks but that would have been a mind blowing experience I think! Keep posting your progress.
cheers,
Mick

rottweiler · « **Reply #40 on:** March 31, 2012, 10:20:13 PM »

Hi again,
could I repeat my query as to what colour you will or have painted the main hull please? OK I know its grey,but there are so many variations out there I just don't know which brand,and shade to use? I was planning to use a semi matt shade .My build is for Atlantic colours,but I do not plan to use camouflage.Any help would be appreciated.Thanks.
I have posted this query previously,but again there were too many choices, so I thought a fellow British Warship builder would be able to supply the answer (I hope!)
Cheers,
Mick

tassie48 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 01, 2012, 03:44:37 AM »

Great to see that you build your models the same way as mine and Mermod with the hull upside down and fingers holding the frames in alinement this is so easy to plank and glass up glad some one is building the same tassie48

bluebird · « **Reply #42 on:** April 01, 2012, 05:44:18 PM »

hi ya Mike

sorry for the delay but I was hoping that someone else would pick up the topic of colours of Warships in general.

This is one of those Grey areas - as a school of thought if we paint a model in the exact same colours as the life-sized one, depending on the scale of the model, it just doesn't look right.

the correct Greys look too dark; etc. So, a lot of us tend to use a bit artistic licence e.g. on HMS Exeter of 1939, when she engaged the Graf Spee - she would have been painted in a light grey for the southern hemisphere colours, which, according to White Ensign Co is RN03 - when you actually look at this, it looks like an 'off white' and just doesn't look right. I have done some research and several people have suggested that Humbrol 147 matt grey was a better representation; so this is what I am going with for the main - this will overcoated with clear satin varnish - along with the rest of the hull.

For the hull red, I used Humbrol Matt 70 but no doubt throughout the superstructure, I will vary the greys by adding a bit of number 64 to the 147 to either lighten it or darken it - to try and break up the bland appearance of an 'all grey' hull.

Hope this is of some help - hope too that it gives you some idea of what to expect. Sometimes its best to ask a question like this on the open forum and a variety of replies will come along and try these ideas out for yourself to see which suits you and your build.

aye
john e

rottweiler · « **Reply #43 on:** April 01, 2012, 07:00:22 PM »

Thanks for the reply John. It never rains but it pours so they say.... Humbrol don't look like they do a spray version of 147, and Revell don't do an equivalent either! Looks like my only option is to buy the little tinlets, but its going to take an awful lot of them!
Cheers
Mick
(think I will stick to lifeboats in future, at least I can get the colours needed for them!)

bluebird · « **Reply #44 on:** April 11, 2012, 03:05:31 PM »

hi all

just a quick update

aye
john

bluebird · « **Reply #45 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:20:57 PM »

see if I get the 504 timeout sign this time

Just to fill in the gaps, the main decks I have finished planking; and it has a good old drop of Ringtons (geordie) tea to stain the deck, along with 5 coatings of satin varnish - started work on the superstructures now - namely the 2 boiler casings and the aft superstructure; been using lipo plate to skin the aft superstructure; gluing it onto the plywood with superglue. Still not 100% sure of the adhesion of the lipo plate to the plywood - seems to peel off easily. I am going to leave it overnight and have a fresh think tomorrow - might remove it and use plasticard.

aye
john

rottweiler · « **Reply #46 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:39:17 PM »

Hi John, looking good! I like the tea tip for staining,do you think Lifeboat tea will do the job (lol emb etc etc) ?
When you say "lipo plate" do you mean Litho plate,by any chance? Superglue certainly does stick it, but please dont forget,that superglue is not supposed to be waterproof,so I can only assume it breaks down in time,if it gets wet (discuss?)
Cheers,
Mick

bluebird · « **Reply #47 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:48:34 PM »

thanks mate lithoplate 100 times I will write - lol - no excuses

anyway as far as waterpooring or even waterproofing is concerned of the superglue; many moons ago, back in the early 1980s I built meself the Moray Firth and I stuck all the plating on the hull with superglue - as yet nowt has dropped off - apart from me fingers when I went down the lake once on a cold day tstst anyway I find, as long as I give a good coating of paint to seal any joints between the plates, to prevent any water from getting in behind them, it seems to do the trick and the superglue hasnt deteriorated.
So I am hoping the same will apply to the lithoplate. The only thing I am doing is scoring the back of the lithoplate with coarse emery to give it a key. Did you see the other topic about scale painting?

aye
john

ps this is lithoplate Jim but not as we know it

rottweiler · « **Reply #48 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:54:57 PM »

thats good news my friend,as I use superglue a lot! yes thanks, I did see the other subject.been busy on Ramillies for the last couple of weeks as she is going up to Blackpool this weekend,to show the (small) progress to my good shipmates who served on her,The HMS RAMILLIES ASSOCIATION (got to publicise my website somehow !)
Mick

justboatonic · « **Reply #49 on:** April 11, 2012, 07:40:33 PM »

Goodness me, excellent build and building skills on show here!

Makes me embarrassed to say I call myself a 'model builder' after building the manufactured kits I buy compared to the scratch building on Exeter.

bluebird · « **Reply #50 on:** April 14, 2012, 08:18:04 PM »

Hi all just a quick update I have finished plating the aft superstructure with Lithoplate and quite happywith the results and the superglue is holding the plate on well.
Before I commence on the next deck level I have manufactured several fittings namely engine room air intakes and doors

aye
john

bluebird · « **Reply #51 on:** May 22, 2012, 06:24:23 PM »

hi one and all

just a quick update on me build

finishing off the lower deck and the torpedo tubes and rails

now beginning on the bridge deck - more lovely planking to be done

This time though - we have a new member joining the Mayhem forum - nearly up to the right age to join anyway - but when wor Harry learns to type; he will be asking Martin for Mayhem Membership

He already knows how to get onto Mayhem

aye
John

bluebird · « **Reply #52 on:** June 10, 2012, 07:37:14 PM »

just a quick update

aye
john

DickyD · « **Reply #53 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:04:41 AM »

Very nice John, so that is what you've been doing.

bluebird · « **Reply #54 on:** June 12, 2012, 09:01:31 PM »

Hi Dicky
Just an update for you mate this is the bridge as of now all the plating on the bridge is finished, and been doing a bit of brass work for the wind deflectors on the bridge front but this is my 3rd attempt at getting the bridge to look right

Aye
john

DickyD · « **Reply #55 on:** June 12, 2012, 11:28:00 PM »

Quote from: bluebird on June 12, 2012, 09:01:31 PM

Hi Dicky
Just an update for you mate this is the bridge as of now all the plating on the bridge is finished, and been doing a bit of brass work for the wind deflectors on the bridge front but this is my 3rd attempt at getting the bridge to look right

Aye
john

Looks alright from down here John.

Can you Skype me tomorrow please ?

Capt Podge · « **Reply #56 on:** June 14, 2012, 12:08:56 AM »

She's coming along nicely there John lad, steady as you go...

Regards,

Ray.

bluebird · « **Reply #57 on:** June 22, 2012, 05:37:57 PM »

quicky updatey

thanks for the comments lads - been plodding on doing the structure for the aircraft catapult and also the aft superstructure - at the current time I am building the funnels and having a reet owld time with them. they are about 6 inches tall and getting then to look vertical and square, has caused me a right bit o hassel. The other problem is lithoplate ahhhhhhhhh and I have also tried this super dooper double sided tape/ sticks owt to owt you know - but I tell you what it doesnt like - the slightest bit of dust! blinking stuff.....couple of pics

aye
john

DickyD · « **Reply #58 on:** June 22, 2012, 06:25:46 PM »

Very nice John, too busy to ring then ?

bluebird · « **Reply #59 on:** July 16, 2012, 08:05:10 PM »

Hi all

An update

Reached the stage now where there is loads of work but nothing to show

For all the effort put in

Finished making the two funnels

Well actually 3 funnels – first one I wasn’t happy with and scrapped it

Now I am building up the 8 inch gun director – on top of the bridge
Aye
john

bluebird · « **Reply #60 on:** July 21, 2012, 07:04:08 PM »

hi there

Just an update .... decided to do a bit of fine detailing on the upper bridge and also building and adding the bridge canopy - here's a couple of pics :-

aye
john

DickyD · « **Reply #61 on:** July 21, 2012, 10:44:44 PM »

Very nice John.

By the way one of your voice pipes is not vertical, it is leaning over.

Catch you later.

bluebird · « **Reply #62 on:** August 02, 2012, 07:03:57 PM »

hi ya all

update time

Dicky I have sacked that Tynemouth fitter who put the voice tube on wonky

I have completed the main gun director; and also connected up the linkage so that when I instal the main guns it will rotate along with the main guns - also started on fitting the bow fittings anchor hawsers capstains and soforth

Also, fitting the rear bridge signal light platform

aye
john

Capt Podge · « **Reply #63 on:** August 03, 2012, 10:57:56 PM »

Looking good John, looking GOOD.

Regards,

Ray.

bluebird · « **Reply #64 on:** September 22, 2012, 04:37:31 PM »

Hi there

Just a quick update – I have been working on the ship’s catapult and rear structure – catapult is made from Evergreen Plastistrip angled and H section beams; along with bits of brass and general bits and pieces  took forever to build the pair of them so they look right. The only thing I am questioning now, after reading another thread, is the colour of the deck.
I have been convinced by several people that the Tamiya colour FX79 (linoleum deck brown) is the correct colour/shade but I have my doubts now.

aye
john

unbuiltnautilus · « **Reply #65 on:** September 22, 2012, 05:23:09 PM »

Myself and Tosh would just like to go ...."ooooh, nice!"

DickyD · « **Reply #66 on:** September 22, 2012, 05:28:22 PM »

Thats looking nice John, wondered what you have been doing, thought maybe your computer was busted.

Richtea · « **Reply #67 on:** September 22, 2012, 09:30:49 PM »

I have been convinced by several people that the Tamiya colour FX79 (linoleum deck brown) is the correct colour/shade but I have my doubts now.

That looks like a good colour for the Cortiscene deck covering.
This is a type of linoleum used on a lot of upper decks of R.N, ships.
( An old E.R,A. told me once that they used it on the bridge areas, so that the officers didn't get "cold feet")
Regards
Richard

bluebird · « **Reply #68 on:** September 23, 2012, 06:02:37 PM »

Hi all
Thanks for the compliments and comments

I have one or two personal messages regarding the colour of the deck which I am contemplating using. Also, I have WhiteEnsign paint as well as Tamiya and I am GOING TO COMPARE and see which I feel happiest with

Just to give myself a break from doing the endless DIY jobs I have on at the moment and the air intakes and....ventilators I decided to do some work on the bow, anchors & chains... no Dicky haven’t been away but have been spending time in the outside workshop looking after Boris the spider...pretending to be doing stuff and diy ya nar but really just been moving the dust aboot and enjoying mesel.
Aye
John @ busy dot netty

Capt Podge · « **Reply #69 on:** September 24, 2012, 03:36:04 PM »

....So, Boris is using the "web" as well !

What a busy household you have.

Love that signature at the bottom of your last posting.

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