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Mayhem at Wicksteed 2012 - June 2 & 3 !!!
« on: November 15, 2011, 10:25:13 PM »

Need to sort my diary out for 2012 and was wondering if any dates/venues for Mayhem had been pencilled in or thought about yet?

Shall I book extra windproof's for the last weekend in May as usual?

Alex
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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2011, 10:34:53 PM »

We will know very shortly when Mayhem 2012 will be dates are being finalised, watch this space.

You might not need waterproofs :-X :-X :-X :-X

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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2011, 12:06:06 AM »

Windproofs, windbreaks, anchors.....

You'll need the lot ;)
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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2011, 06:36:50 AM »

Quote from: chingdevil link=topic=33825.msg334315#msg3343 >:-o15 date=1321396493
We will know very shortly when Mayhem 2012 will be dates are being finalised, watch this space.

You might not need waterproofs :-X :-X :-X :-X

Brian
Does that mean we'll need a passport to get there if guaranteed sunshine? %)

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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2011, 07:38:40 PM »

I never mentioned guaranteed sunshine, I was thinking more along the lines of thermals :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-)) :-))


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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2011, 07:51:34 PM »

I always come prepared, shorts, thermals, skis, wetsuit, parachute, you name it... O0

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2011, 09:36:58 AM »

You might not need waterproofs :-X :-X :-X :-X

Sounds novel but I always find model boating more enjoyable when near water of some description  %) {-) {-)
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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2011, 01:23:10 PM »

We awaiting confirmation as we speak... but it looks like Wicksteed June 2, 3 2012

 We is also gonna be bettera horgigized for next year so we'll be looking for a few volunteers to help organize etc.

Events/Schedule  organiser
Traders organizer
Publicity
Frequency control
Tea / coffee / dinner ladies
Park Parking....

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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2011, 01:45:22 PM »

Sounds good Martin. I'll probably come down on the Friday anyway if we can. I don't mind helping set up or doing something to help out over the weekend, I'm trained 1st aider/responder too. (and swiftwater rescuer too if anyone falls in {-)) Dave.  :-))
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2011, 02:03:38 PM »

so i have to get my  new motor cruiser model  finished by june now.........UMMMM ? {:-{
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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2011, 03:02:05 PM »

Sounds great Martin,

Wouldn't mind turning my hand to Schedule/Events if you hadn't already someone in mind?

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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2011, 03:31:36 PM »

Main events:

Big Duck race / slalom / chase / fight!
Straight Running ( anything including RC but you can't use the rudder .. obviously! )

Dress code - Lifeboatmen & Sowesters!
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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2011, 03:37:35 PM »

Looking forward to the mighty duck race, mines under top secret construction in the hermetically sealed lab (or garage). Maiden voyage to be done under the cover of darkness at an undisclosed location, or in the bath maybe. O0

PS. That means I've got 2 lifeboats to build, 1 to refurbish, an MMB tug to finish, the 8ft supertanker/container ship and of course the mighty duck....... %%
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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2011, 03:48:56 PM »

We awaiting confirmation as we speak... but it looks like Wicksteed June 2, 3 2012

 We is also gonna be bettera horgigized for next year so we'll be looking for a few volenteers to help organize etc.

Events/Schedual  organizer
Traders organizer
Frequency control
Tea / coffee / dinner ladies
Park Parking....



This is not a good weekend to have the mayhem event as there will be so much eles going on that weekend with the Queens celebrations. If it is going to be on this weekend I for one will not be able to make it!!! :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( + how many punters (genral public) will be around????
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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2011, 03:55:32 PM »

I think next year's going to be very busy whatever weekend is chosen with the Olympics and so forth. Perhaps a lot of people will just be glad of a break from it all? I know I for one will be. The only 'boating' related clash I can see is that it's the East Midlands Lifeboat Day in Leicestershire on Sunday 3rd. Dave.

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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2011, 06:15:55 PM »

Anne and mark Phillips, went camping
Charles and do played cricket
William and Kate, went.   Sailing then a n nice meal
The theme is let the women do that stuff, and I will do something I want, cos its quiet!
Mayhem will be the same if it clashes, will be there having fun!

Let me know if you want a hand organising anything
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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2011, 06:33:27 PM »

We awaiting confirmation as we speak... but it looks like Wicksteed June 2, 3 2012

 We is also gonna be bettera horgigized for next year so we'll be looking for a few volunteers to help organize etc.

Events/Schedule  organiser
Traders organizer
Publicity
Frequency control
Tea / coffee / dinner ladies
Park Parking....



Never tried parking a park before,
must see that one
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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2011, 06:35:10 PM »


 Evening Richard!! 
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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2011, 07:08:58 PM »

Anne and mark Phillips, went camping

Nice for them, but won't Tim have something to say ok2


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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2011, 07:45:10 PM »

As I have previously said to Martin, I think Mayhem has reached the point where it needs a bit of more formal organisation to get the most from the event. While it's great to just turn up and launch, the  resulting free for all, not to mention a few collisions, meant that I dared not risk my relatively fragile scale models on the water which was rather disappointing.

Wicksteed is large enough to  separate out the more robust models from the more vulnerable ones and it should not be difficult to do this. Maybe a scale steering course at one end for the general scale models and a less restricted ara at the other for those models which want to show off their paces and maybe take the consequences!

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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2011, 09:31:49 PM »

Colin has raized a valid point. Sadly there is a conflict with diffrent sized boats. Even the wash from a bigger boat can sink a small boat, to say nothing about being hit.The answer should be strict control over whats sailing and when. John.
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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2011, 06:18:00 PM »

Why not consider having an area marked off with buoys for the more vulnerable boats to sail in?
I've seen before a fair sized area sectioned off using lengths of floating drainpipe, this worked quite well and also kept the cordoned area of water relatively calm and flat for smaller boats. Just an idea that maybe worth looking at. Dave.  :-))

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« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2011, 06:35:57 PM »

From what I have seen, the end of the Wicksteed lake nearest the entrance seems to have the largest waves if the wind is blowing - which it often is.

From a personal point of view, what I would like to see is an area for the more sedate scale boats, maybe at the far end of the lake, which has a simple course and some docking features etc. which would enable scale boats to show off their paces without conflicting with the more exciting stuff. The far end of the lake does tend to be rather under utilised as most of the action usually takes place at the entrance end so this would spread the models around a bit and make maximum use of the water area.

Rather than make course obstacles specially, maybe some of the supporting clubs could bring along things that they use on their own waters, bearing in mind that Wiksteed is a constant depth.

Yes, all this needs a bit of organising but the usual turnout shows that there are plenty of people available who can help in both the preliminary planning and on the day. Their talents just need to be tapped. In the past there has been a bit of an imbalance between the large numbers who simply turn up to enjoy themselves and the few who actually stage the event, including the sterling and perhaps under appreciated efforts of the local Wicksteed club.

The Mayhem gathering has now got past the point where a general free for all is acceptable. A Steering Committee needs to be set up to work in partnership with the Wicksteed Club to really make the most of the weekend for everyone.

I would also suggest that attendees be invited to contribute to the cost on a voluntary basis as last year a very small group were landed with the bill which seems a bit unfair to me.

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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2011, 08:46:29 PM »

Some very sensible suggestions there Colin............I like the cut of your jib!!!!

Am planning to attend this next year - just hope I can have something ready to display!!!!! (The ferry for instance???).

As for costs......this clearly needs to be looked at on a serious level - we cannot have 'the few' covering the costs for 'the many'.  I dont think it should be run for profit - that would take away the 'fun' element, but if an SC is set up, the costs evaluated in a sensible timeframe, then all who attend can be informed of what the 'entry donation' is likely to be.

Sure, there may be a few who will baulk at the idea of paying to get in................but the argument here is not like at Beale Park (for instance) where the added attraction of sailing boats bring in more punters to pay on the gate to get in to an already commercial venture.

I fully support your ideas Colin...
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Re: Mayhem 2012
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2011, 09:26:29 PM »

I think most people attending won't mind donating to the cost of holding the event. Perhaps people could bring along unwanted boats related items and let them be offered for sale at the show, bring and buy? I'm sure we've all got bits and bobs that we aren't going to use, I know I have and don't mind putting some stuff for sale in my gazebo with the proceeds going towards the costs.
What about the old favourites like a raffle, perhaps it's worth approaching some of the traders that attend seeing if they'd like to 'donate' something to raffle/auction off??  O0

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« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2011, 09:30:10 PM »

Sounds a sound idea.Possibly for more expensive items a percentage? John
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« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2011, 12:27:15 AM »

Colin,
Last year was a 1 off as the Wicksteed Weekend had been planned and was in severe danger of being cancelled purely from lack of funding as Martin had been made redundant.
It does however make me wonder just how much Martin has put his hand in his own pocket to pay for the Forum (yes I know donations are available) and Wicksteed over the years.
Now Martin has recognised now that help is needed, I hope that assistance will be forthcomming.
Between the suggested help it should be able to utilise the expertise of the members to produce another memorable weekend.
If purely donations are used then some "up front" finance will have to be available.
I would not like to see a Wicksteed Weekend and if I had the time would willingly assist in any way.
With the help of members it would become a Mayhem event in reality.

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« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2011, 08:24:38 AM »

Colin has come up wioth some good idears. However is He happy to arrive on Friday morning to set it all up and stay till we are all done on Sunday to clear it all up??
Re the money side of things, Yes £5.00 a head should cover it nicely. So when you go and get a Tea or coffee why not drop in the box a £1 a cup.

Some years ago Martin did set out a time table for both days. By lunchtime it had been thrown out cause it did not work as boaters was not ready for there time slots and lots of other ressons.

Part of the charm of this weekend is to have FUN!!! not to be pushed around to fit in with the timetable. I have to do that at work! blow that during a weekend of fun.

Now then, I take it IC boats are still band from useing the lake?? Some of the Wicksteed MBC saw my lifeboat at Deans Marine open day. I think most of them agreed it would not upset anyone, but alass it is band. For this resson I will not be where i am not going to be welcome.
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« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2011, 12:42:07 PM »

You will be missed Bill,
surely a common sense solution can be found ?
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« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2011, 01:01:27 PM »

Bob,

Yes, I agree that this year was a one off and were it not for the generosity of yourself and a few others the event would not have gone ahead. But, as you say, this shouldn't be the way things are done. I am sure that the majority of people attending are more than happy to contribute to the costs and it's really a case of harnessing that willingness. I also take your point about needing at least some of the finance 'up front' to relieve financial pressure on the organisers. There is a donation mechanism on Mayhem  and while I am not certain whether I will be able to attend next year at this stage, I would still be very happy to make an upfront donation on the assumption that I will come. Others may prefer to make a donation on the day which might entail dipping into any financial 'reserves' Mayhem might have. While Martin has been very generous in the past in providing free drinks etc. I don't think it at all unreasonable that people should pay for these at a minimum of cost price. As Bill says, it's no great hardship to drop maybe 50p or £1 in the box and any surplus will go to help fund the event. I don't know what the situation is with the traders but I would hope they are prepared to make their own voluntary donations if it is not possible to charge them a small sum directly because of park regulations etc. As I say, I don't know what the actual 'balance sheet' for the event is but given the number of attendees, traders and the work put in by volunteers I would imagine that the baseline cost could be covered without anyone having to dig too deep in their pockets. I don't think we should have a fixed entry fee as some people are in a better position to contribute than others so just a suggested average sum could be mentioned.

Bill,

Yes, I agree with you that the event should be fun and I am not suggesting that it should be unduly regimented. However, when you have made a 260 mile round trip and been unable to run your own boats for fear of them being damaged or sunk it is not quite so much fun. I visited on the Saturday this year and witnessed quite a number of collisions due to careless driving, any one of which would have wiped out my boats completely. I am simply suggesting that we introduce a few common sense measures to ensure that everyone enjoys the day bearing in mind that the nature of Mayhem offers the opportunity to see a very wide variety of models in action as opposed to sitting on a stand in an exhibition. Giving the smaller, slower, more vulnerable boats their own space at the normally less used end of the lake would be one. I think the timetable tried in the past was probably too detailed but it should be quite possible to identify just a few blocks of time, (say 30-45 minutes) between the free sailing sessions for specific sessions for categories such as sailing boats, straight runners, a warship parade, Springers etc. Some of these models could also participate in the free sailing sessions as well if the owners are happy to do do so. With regard to people 'not being ready' then I suggest they need to be a bit better organised! Phil Abbott doesn't seem to have a problem with this and he runs steamers. Also, I doubt if that would be an acceptable excuse in your normal racing programme!

More and more people now have 2.4Ghz radios but active frequency control is still needed as otherwise there is a tenedency for people to walk off with the peg and hog the frequency. OK, you can find them and ask for a go yourself but it is better if people simply book say half hour slots and only continue running by agreement with frequency control if the next slot is empty.

I am not going to comment on the  ban on IC as I have heard several different versions of the reasons for this.

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« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2011, 01:51:20 PM »

I'm hoping to make it again this coming year and would be happy to make a donation up front, even if in the end I don't manage it.
SWMBO will of course have the final say on which days I will be there, but I am happy to lend a hand. The Norsea will probably be coming again as this is the only working boat I have. I will be nice to get her out a few more times before she retires from active service.

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« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2011, 07:46:44 PM »

I have been for the last couple of years now, camping till Sunday, have helped setup, take down, retrieve gazebos from the lake, walking down to the lake in the middle of the night and various other little jobs, all done willingly with Martin Phil and stars plus a few I don't know. Thanks are not needed, as I see it as a duty to help at this event.
 AS stated earlier, I am happy to help all weekend. A donation, no problem . I also agree that the far end of the lake is under utilised, there is a safe area behind the catch net for the straight runners, this area was only used on Sunday after the wind really got up. Saturday it was used by the subs and Our northern brethren with the haggi! A sc would be good, but it needs to be in conjunction with wicksteed mbc and the park authorities, with everything on the table UPFRONT, this Includes fast electrics and ic as well as sail, steam, scale, submarines  and any other type of marine modelling. A structured programme, time slots for certain types of model fine, as long as it is done sensibly it would not present any problems. But remember the lake is quite big if used correctly, not with everyone down one end of the lake!
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« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2011, 09:45:15 PM »

CALLING ALL VOLUNTEERS

Wicksteed Weekend Steering Group


This year instead of Martin having to organise the Mayhem Weekend on his own we are looking for some volunteers so the work load can be shared between a group of us. 

Now some of you have already indicated that you would be willing to help, so if you can send me a PM with what you are willing to do we can then start organising what is going to happen over that weekend and by who.

Can you also let me know when you would be getting to the event, that way we will know when to expect you and not panic that something is not going to get done


At the moment we have shipmate60, steamboatphil and myself in the group.


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« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2011, 10:03:35 PM »

Just to get the ball rolling we have our first confirmed volunteer:

Events/Schedual  organizer
Traders organizer              -    Mark of MarksModelBits
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Any traders thinking about attending please contact Mark.

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« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2011, 12:12:42 AM »

Well brian you can add my name to the Steering Group for Mayhem 2012 cant you  :-)) I'll give you a little clue I'm the one USUALLY trying to catch those so called Straight running Boats that Steam Boat Phil Keeps launching at me



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