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Re: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit.
« Reply #560 on: May 06, 2012, 10:23:12 AM »
Man!!, you are a flatterer of the first order {-) {-) {-)

What you after? :embarrassed: :embarrassed:
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Re: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit.
« Reply #561 on: May 06, 2012, 03:55:32 PM »
Mick's spot on Neil - don't be embarrassed and rebuff worthy comments. This has been an exceptional build log and a joy to read, the boats ain't bad either O0 {-) {-) {-)  I too like the stands, really ideal for transportation and so much easier than all the faffing to try and make an unnecessary precision fit which are good for showing but not always practical on the move. You've shared an awful lot a long the way in an honest and warts 'an all manner, your skills are a credit to you mate.   Will you do yourself a favour when all complete and launched ??? ........................ CLEAN your b----y workshop!  {-) {-) {-) {-)

                              Regards, me.
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Re: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit.
« Reply #562 on: May 06, 2012, 05:20:35 PM »
Hi Tony, I agree with you 100% & if Neil does not clean up his workshop we should organise a midnight raid & do it for him, what a b---y mess, it is amazing that he can produce such amazing work in that rat hole, LOL. Mick B.  PS= your own build Tony is of a very high standard too just in passing.
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« Reply #563 on: May 06, 2012, 06:48:42 PM »
Having recently been in Neils workshop, I can assure you it has everything one needs, a TV, a heater, Workbenches and even a drawing board, but best of all it has TWO seats so a guest can have a sit down!  ()after a quick dust off of course LOL)You get a choice of tea or coffee as well,and the workshop is in working order,and shall we say organized chaos, with good honest dust and muck ! What more do you want? I think I saw a dustpan and brush as well,but maybe I was dreaming that the next night. The hospitality is 1st class (and he parts with even more free info!)
 (and I'm not after anything but if you would like to pass on one of your new builds I will post some more HONEST praise!)
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Re: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit.
« Reply #564 on: May 06, 2012, 08:00:12 PM »
Quote from: tt1 on May 06, 2012, 03:55:32 PM
Mick's spot on Neil - don't be embarrassed and rebuff worthy comments. This has been an exceptional build log and a joy to read, the boats ain't bad either O0 {-) {-) {-)  I too like the stands, really ideal for transportation and so much easier than all the faffing to try and make an unnecessary precision fit which are good for showing but not always practical on the move. You've shared an awful lot a long the way in an honest and warts 'an all manner, your skills are a credit to you mate.   Will you do yourself a favour when all complete and launched ??? ........................ CLEAN your b----y workshop!  {-) {-) {-) {-)

                              Regards, me.
thanks tony and all, et al......
My wife has been threatening to clean my workshop for years........I just worry at what she might throw away that I might need in about 20 years time,if I can remember it's there...where ever it is,  {-) {-) {-) {-) %% %% %% %%
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Re: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit.
« Reply #565 on: May 06, 2012, 08:05:23 PM »
Quote from: rottweiler on May 06, 2012, 06:48:42 PM
Having recently been in Neils workshop, I can assure you it has everything one needs, a TV, a heater, Workbenches and even a drawing board, but best of all it has TWO seats so a guest can have a sit down!  ()after a quick dust off of course LOL)You get a choice of tea or coffee as well,and the workshop is in working order,and shall we say organized chaos, with good honest dust and muck ! What more do you want? I think I saw a dustpan and brush as well,but maybe I was dreaming that the next night. The hospitality is 1st class (and he parts with even more free info!)
 (and I'm not after anything but if you would like to pass on one of your new builds I will post some more HONEST praise!)
Mick F
You're an even bigger creep than Irishguy  {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)...what you after as well,  {-) {-) {-) {-)

Actually,some one is already after the Field Marshall and Mrs Smuts........and it is going to be very hard to part with any one of these, unless someone offers me a lot....they have been a part of me and my modelling life now for a good number of years now and it'll be very hard to part with any one of them..
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« Reply #566 on: May 06, 2012, 08:16:11 PM »
Anyway, back to reality..and down to some work today ( well last night to be more exact, for the firsat thing.........
I got round to doing another of those little detailing parts.....remember the item on the main mast...the black tube that operated with the mast when upright or folded down. It turns out that (as one mayhem member suggested) it is a conduit for wiring and electrical gear up to the mast head.
I made this from some black silicon tubing, a base fitting which came from the Clyde class lifeboat, and a piece of brass tubing.

And to set it all in place, the tabernackle was fixed onto the cabin top using a thin layer of polyester filler which allowed the tabernackle  to set level and without gaps, on to the curvature of the cabin. You can see in the last clse up shot of the tabernackle, the filler oozing out from under the fitting, which was cleaned off as it was going rubbery but not yet set.
It also located into the cabin top using 4 pre fit brass pins that set into pre drilled holes in the cabin. The brass tubing acts as a guide for the silicon tube to slide up and down when the mast is raised and lowered.

Incedentally, Dave Metcalf told me when we were having a chat last night on the phone, that he has passed on the moulds and rights for the Clyde Lifeboat that I built last year to Andy Grigg at Models By Design, so if anyone is wanting that model........a real brute, but will take any weather, then Andy Grigg is the one to see.Good luck to him.
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Re: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit.
« Reply #567 on: May 06, 2012, 10:10:00 PM »
Quote from: irishcarguy on May 06, 2012, 05:20:35 PM
Hi Tony, I agree with you 100% & if Neil does not clean up his workshop we should organise a midnight raid & do it for him, what a b---y mess, it is amazing that he can produce such amazing work in that rat hole, LOL. Mick B.  PS= your own build Tony is of a very high standard too just in passing.

Guys,

Don't you know that if that happens how will he be able to find anything O0 O0 O0
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Re: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit.
« Reply #568 on: May 06, 2012, 10:25:28 PM »
I just like the idea of us all turning up after the pub lets out
and having a big party in the shop (forget the clean up)
I wonder also what Neil's music would be?

In Mick's (Canadian driving) terms most of us only live next door
but we don't meet up.

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« Reply #569 on: May 06, 2012, 10:28:07 PM »
Quote from: raaartygunner on May 06, 2012, 10:10:00 PM
Guys,

Don't you know that if that happens how will he be able to find anything O0 O0 O0

I can't anyway...........it's got to be an improvement......rock it on lads.......I might find my tin full or 14 ba nuts and bolts if you do, {-) {-) %% %% %% %%

Today, I began to prepare for spraying the hulls of the three boats in this rat hole, by giving a coat of etching primer, to key into the grp without blooming.

I am by no means anywhere near a decent painter, and tend to muddle through, and I tend to become impatient when painting, but have said to myself, this time, I'll spend some tme and take my time, leaving coats to dry, and rub down with wet and dry well.............ummmmm!!!.

hopefully I'll reach a desired effect that will be pleasing to the eye.



So, I got down to it, and even after the first coat, things didn't go well at all......first I found a small area on the belting of the H F Bailey that was hollow underneath the gell coat, so painting stopped whilst I cut out the gell coat and filled, then sanded down, before giving another coat around the area with primer.

However, on the Mary Stanford, there was an even bigger cockup to cover...........

After spraying up with the coar of etching primer, I was looking at it and watching the preverbial paint to dry when I realised that I hadn't put into the two anchor recesses, the hawse pipes from the anchor/rope recesses to the deck..............so I then had to work that out, using brass tubing, and filler to hold it in place, so after drilling the holes to take the hawse pipe, that was sorted, and after cleaning up the mess created it was back to a covering coat of etching primer.

However, for the opening where the hawse pipe comes through the deck, I used bulwark hawse plates ( moulded for the Clyde lifeboat) as the deck housing surrounds, bedded in with polyester filler, and trimmed up just as it was going off..
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Re: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit.
« Reply #570 on: May 06, 2012, 10:29:32 PM »
Quote from: Norseman on May 06, 2012, 10:25:28 PM
I just like the idea of us all turning up after the pub lets out
and having a big party in the shop (forget the clean up)
I wonder also what Neil's music would be?

In Mick's (Canadian driving) terms most of us only live next door
but we don't meet up.

Dave
I'm sure I could put a little Pink Floyd on for you guys, and then once mellw and draped over the benches after a few noggins, some simon and garfunkel to sing along to, lol
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Re: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit.
« Reply #571 on: May 06, 2012, 10:59:47 PM »
Re your trick with the filler to get a level surface for the mast tabernacle...

I tried to use this on the radar mast on my 47' Watson, having first put down some cling film at Furball's suggestion (so I could remove it again for painting)

VERY bad idea... Not only did the filler refuse to set, but somehow it ate through about 5 or 6 layers of paint that I had beneath it, AND glued the cling film to the ply! So all in all not a good day. >>:-(

I'm glad it works for someone!  :-))

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« Reply #572 on: May 07, 2012, 07:04:18 AM »
It appears Neil uses a similar Filing/Storage system as I do.  Its called the WIFIF filing system (Where It Falls It's Filed)
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« Reply #573 on: May 07, 2012, 08:53:18 AM »
At least Neil's is a working shop.
What a crime to have a pristine workshop/tooling that is unused.

  %% tidied my little shed - everything in it's place - next job was
paint ........... looks like beeping Mars - very fine red dust now lays
absoutley everywhere O0 {-)
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Re: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit.
« Reply #574 on: May 07, 2012, 10:41:44 AM »
Quote from: heritorasphodel on May 06, 2012, 10:59:47 PM
Re your trick with the filler to get a level surface for the mast tabernacle...

I tried to use this on the radar mast on my 47' Watson, having first put down some cling film at Furball's suggestion (so I could remove it again for painting)

VERY bad idea... Not only did the filler refuse to set, but somehow it ate through about 5 or 6 layers of paint that I had beneath it, AND glued the cling film to the ply! So all in all not a good day. >>:-(

I'm glad it works for someone!  :-))

Andrew

Wasn't a trick, Andrew, but then again I wasn't going to remove it once it had set, and never did recomend that to any of the readers of this build!..It is common knowledge that polyester filler is one of the better adhesives around and will stick almost any thing to anything......and you'll note that I also trimmed it up before it went off...........so NOT  a bad idea after all!...only bad if you don't know what you are doing with the produce......"a little knowledge (as they say) can be dangerous??" {-) {-) {-) {-) {-)...didn't mean it really......... %% %% %% %% :} :} :}
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Re: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit.
« Reply #575 on: May 07, 2012, 10:55:04 AM »
My sympathy goes to Andrew re using mouldable material for seating items. Tried it on a stand once, used sellotape on the hull - with a lick of vaseline on the surface, laid up the filler on the locating edges of the stand, bedded in the hull and left to harden off...........NOT a good idea! despite the grease coating, the hull was stuck like the proverbial to the stand and with a modicum of brute force I finally got the hull off the stand including the sellotape and filler! There was obviously some serious reaction from the filler and what a mess, I had a right game to remove and clean up the hull {:-{

             Sorry Neil, back to you!
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« Reply #576 on: May 07, 2012, 11:49:42 AM »
no probs, Tony......

I only ever use it ( other than as a filler) for glueing.........as a moulding compound I'll always use Milliput, which does come away with cling film.

Polyester filler has a solvent in it ( as does any polyester resin based produce.that will desolve into and eat into most things if left un impeded.

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« Reply #577 on: May 07, 2012, 04:20:44 PM »
Filler primer now applied. I'll give them all another coat of this tonight before I turn in, and then will give a couple of either white or grey primer tomorrow before setting about them all with wet and dry.
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« Reply #578 on: May 08, 2012, 08:54:14 AM »
Primary coloured primers now added.......will need a couple more coats before rubbing down with 800 grade wet and dry.
Wht the different colours......??

Well, the Grey primer on the Mary Stanford is because her anti fouling is a green lead colour, as she was an "afloat" boat in Ballycotton Harbour, and topside is ford Galaxy Blue....a slightly darker shade of blue to the other two boats, and therefore will take a darker under primer.

The H F Bailey and the "Smuts" both have a white underhull as they were both slipway launched and boat house stored, and with a lighter Oxford Blue hull they will take a white under primer.

All boats will be given more coats of under primer before the final colours are added.
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« Reply #579 on: May 09, 2012, 12:58:07 PM »
First coat of colour.....AT LAST!!!.........

After wet and drying the grey primer down this morning, I decided to spray the green lead underside of the Mary Stanford with the nearest match I could find to the old green lead colour I had.....Halford's Ford Laural green.
I decided to spray in the windless open air garden rather than in my dusty workshop....and just after starting, the wind picked up, but I got the area's that are in nicks and crannies done first, and will go out in a few minutes to give an overall coat.
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« Reply #580 on: May 09, 2012, 01:11:47 PM »
the first of 4 full coats.this was the prefered lead oxide anti fouling of the RNLI in the first third of the last century for afloat boats kept in harbours rather than in a boat house for slip launching.
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« Reply #581 on: May 09, 2012, 02:13:48 PM »
well......it had to happen.......glorious sunshine this morning....and then just as I put the first coat in, it starts spitting with rain....... as usual.........if it's not dust, in the workshop then it's rain, lol.........so needs must.....got out the gazebo that I haven't used because of the c r a p summers the last four years......guess what...can't find the top sheet...........U N B E L E I V A B L E !!!!!!.....so again mother of all invention and all that..................I have used my old classic car cover for the "roof"....worked well and off a spraying I will go, lol
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Re: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit.
« Reply #582 on: May 09, 2012, 02:33:45 PM »
I find the same, the paint always seems to find dirt or rain as its drying off!

Looks well though!  :-))
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« Reply #583 on: May 09, 2012, 03:09:18 PM »
cheers Dan........it doesn't look too bad.....all the nasty bits are under the watter, lol {-) {-) {-) {-)
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« Reply #584 on: May 09, 2012, 03:18:11 PM »
take note all you people who take the p**s out of Neils workshop-- he knew where to find his Gazebo and cover,and he is well trained to take the washing in also( I expect he will be told off later about the green overspray on the best tablecloth!!) Nice one Neil
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« Reply #585 on: May 09, 2012, 03:33:08 PM »
luick has saved me...we were still using the christmas cloth that is green and red festive..........and if you believe that....you'll believe rottweiler..... {-) {-) {-) {-)
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« Reply #586 on: May 09, 2012, 05:01:37 PM »
Not completely so rottweiler - he couldn't find his gazebo cover ........................ not exactly hanky size is it!!!!!!!!!!!!     I rest my case! {-) {-) {-) {-)
        Ok Ok so I'll add my name to the list of cleaning volunteers   %% %% - so long as I get an invite to the maiden voyages - fair enough? O0 {-)

                          Am genuinely impressed - great stuff neil. :-))  Regards, me.

      P.S. my notifications still aint working - a hunting I have to go. {:-{
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« Reply #587 on: May 09, 2012, 05:51:49 PM »
Quote from: tt1 on May 09, 2012, 05:01:37 PM
so long as I get an invite to the maiden voyages - fair enough? O0 {-)

                          . {:-{
Meet at Etherow in June Tony and you can sail all three, lol
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« Reply #588 on: May 10, 2012, 01:56:19 PM »
So much for a british summer...... <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:( <:(

Back to the drawing board with my portable spray booth.........and the ground is under 3" of water..............so much for spraying al fresco!!! {:-{ {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
Now, what can I do inside my dusty shed whilst my lawn feeds the water table of this country and lessens our drought conditions.
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Re: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit.
« Reply #589 on: May 10, 2012, 04:16:47 PM »
It was lovely weather in the morning, think I brought the rain with me, sorry. I was in Neils workshop yesterday and made it out alive, lol. Everything in it's place and a place for everything, wish I had one like it.

The photos don't do the 3 Lifeboats justice, they're going to look wonderful on the water when finished. I much prefer the character and lines of the older classic lifeboats over the CAD designed slabs of the modern boats, maybe I'm just getting old!

Keep up the good work, Dave.  :-))
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« Reply #590 on: May 10, 2012, 04:35:52 PM »
WATCH IT! Dave's after something as well Neil,proving your workshop is environmentally friendly Lol. I agree about the Lifeboats tho!
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« Reply #591 on: May 10, 2012, 04:55:56 PM »
Quote from: rottweiler on May 10, 2012, 04:35:52 PM
WATCH IT! Dave's after something as well Neil,proving your workshop is environmentally friendly Lol. I agree about the Lifeboats tho!
Mick F

Lol, I didn't mention the gazebo. Looks a bit of a disaster area, I'll bring mine to Ethrow anyway....   :-))
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Re: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit.
« Reply #592 on: May 10, 2012, 09:07:31 PM »
Quote from: Number 6 on May 10, 2012, 04:55:56 PM
Looks a bit of a disaster area,

even bigger disaster is that I plugged the submersable pump on, that I use to drain the sink trap in the garden, and it tripped out the whole house electrics...........so not only have I a knackered gazebo, a flooded garden that I can't drain, and therefore it's a no go area for us all.but I now have to go out tomorrow and buy a new submersable pump and wire it all in.......Me and electrics just don't mix.......AT ALL!!!
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Re: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit.
« Reply #593 on: May 10, 2012, 09:41:45 PM »
Might have been your electric shower that tripped it all mate {-) {-) {-)
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« Reply #594 on: May 11, 2012, 09:21:57 AM »
Whilst I have been in conversation of the ex crew member of "Smuts" he told me that there was a rear pen to the rope bins, and so have added that. Whilst doing the measuring up for this, I found that my preliminary position for the funnel,vents and decklights were too far forward by around 15mm and so, whilst waiting for better weather, I set about doing the changes yesterday.......made the rear pen front rails, and re positioned the holes for the deck lights and funnel, by filling the originals by putting a strip of plasticard inside the grp moulding , held to the moulding with polyester resin, and then sanding smooth before re painting and here are the results.
there is some slight disagreement about the inner longitudinal rails and their length, going back to the cockpit, but looking at photos, I can't see this. also the short rear rails of the bins..........should they be there or shouldn't they............well, for structural purposes on the model, they'll have to stay there (even if not on the real boat) for if I were to take them out, I feer the whole structure would be very much weakened, and so using modellers license, they are staying put.
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