Topic: 3 Lifeboat builds, What goes into a model kit. (Read 38852 times)

Neil · « **Reply #805 on:** June 19, 2012, 10:51:07 PM »

{-)you can pop up for a brew anytime you want Dave..........kettle is always on.
neil.

rottweiler · « **Reply #806 on:** June 19, 2012, 11:10:52 PM »

ok,anyone going to the Blackpool Show,in October,and wants to put their names down to do " NEILS UNIFIED TIDY SHED" (NUTS)
PUT YOUR NAME DOWN HERE!

RAAArtyGunner · « **Reply #807 on:** June 20, 2012, 12:26:35 AM »

Quote from: rottweiler on June 19, 2012, 11:10:52 PM

ok,anyone going to the Blackpool Show,in October,and wants to put their names down to do " NEILS UNIFIED TIDY SHED" (NUTS)
PUT YOUR NAME DOWN HERE!

Guys am leaving now, but if I am a little bit late, don't let me hold you up, so please start without me.

Neil · « **Reply #808 on:** June 20, 2012, 10:16:50 AM »

Quote from: raaartygunner on June 20, 2012, 12:26:35 AM

Guys am leaving now, but if I am a little bit late, don't let me hold you up, so please start without me.

don't forget the Carlton Draught when you come RR..............I don't drink tea or coffee

furball · « **Reply #809 on:** June 20, 2012, 11:05:52 AM »

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spent another 30 minutes trying ti find it on the floor in my mess before realising it would be quicker to make another

Now having made the second, the first will make an obvious appearance....

Lance

Neil · « **Reply #810 on:** June 20, 2012, 10:13:49 PM »

I really think there must be a fourth dimension where everything goes that you loose in theblink of an eye..........cos I have searched and searched on the floor for it without any succerss..........found other bits and bobs that I have lost in the past............but no cleat........sod's law..........

but more pressing things to do...................I began fitting the stanchions to the boats on mondey morning and started with the "Smuts" because my "Guru" Glyn was paying a call to look at the model..........

Sadly after he and his wife had gone, I was fiddling with other parts of the boat, and on three separate occasions caught the stanchions, that were loosly fitted( and nit glued,) and on each occasion they snapped cleanly in two pieces around the ball..................so, as they are probably the most vulnerable part of the lifeboat, I decided to have a test of them.............and tried snapping one or two more

outof the set of 28 for the Smuts.......21 of them snapped very easily...............the mix of white metal had been too brittle for the stanchions.

I had spent a lot of time on them filling the larger holes in the balls with plastic inserts and had fixed them all to the triangular bracket feet which attach to the toe boards............

and so decided on tuesday night to make a couple of rubber moulds with 6 stanchions in each, and set abouit casting them all in a less brittle mix of white metal and added some lead to give them some resilliance to knocks.

moulds finished in a rush on tuesday night, i fully expected to get about 3 good ones out of the 6 each cast...............I was absolutely amazed when on each succesive cast I got the full complement of 6 stanchions per casting........and had run my account up to over 100 ( spares, just in case, lol) within an hour of casting this morning......was well pleased................have now just to clean them up, drill through the balls for the chain, and dril and pin the triangular bracket for fixing to the toe boards................eazy peezy.

furball · « **Reply #811 on:** June 21, 2012, 09:45:21 AM »

Wish I had one of those rotary casters...

I completely failed to cast stanchions out of resin (the moulds didn't turn out that good, and the resin was too runny, and just made a mess everywhere) & had to resort to making them out of plastic tube, having to drill & insert the cross tubes where the chain goes through and then sand them to the right shape - took a long and boring time, especially they kept breaking as well.

I'm not looking forward to that job on the next one.

Lance

Neil · « **Reply #812 on:** June 21, 2012, 09:17:12 PM »

best bit of kit I ever bought lance..............if you belong to a club....have a word about buying one through club funds for the good of everyone in the club........it would pay for itself within a couple of seasons.....mind you I do a lot of hand casting in small moulds as well.
neil.

Neil · « **Reply #813 on:** June 24, 2012, 06:52:37 PM »

It's been a long hard slog since last autumn and the three models are nearing completion...............just the stanchions and chains to put on all three boats, and the deck to paint grey on the "Smuts"......she came straight from the builders with the deck painted rather than planked....
I've used a little modellers licence on rigging the aft masts on all three boats, as when I rigged the ALR all those years ago, the mast was not stiff or sturdy enough.........after all we are dealing with modellers materials, and not the real thing............so extra stays were used to keep the mizzen sturdy enough to take the odd knock.

Also the "Smuts" wasn't fitted with cleats on the toe boards as the mast stays were anchored onto the stanchions and chains although I have added them and deck eyes as should the stays have been anchored to the stanchions, the fore cabin would never have been made able to be removeable.......another little bit of modellers licence.............after all............these boats have been made to sail and to be accesible to the inners and the R/C gear..........so, probably the last shots now before completion in a few days..........hope you all like them.
neil.

Neil · « **Reply #814 on:** June 24, 2012, 06:58:28 PM »

ps..........has anyone got a clear colour photo of the right colour for the capock filled lifebelts of the early lifeboats that they might post so that I can colour the belts on these three boats.........cheers.
neil.

Norseman · « **Reply #815 on:** June 24, 2012, 07:43:17 PM »

If it helps anyone searching, I believe the life jackets supplied to the Mary Stanford crew were Kapok Type Pattern No. 3

Neil · « **Reply #816 on:** June 24, 2012, 08:09:35 PM »

now!! where did you find that info from Dave.......amazing.
neil.

Norseman · « **Reply #817 on:** June 24, 2012, 08:16:51 PM »

http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/SCCLibraries/WreckReports/14034.asp

http://sarn.firetrench.com/2012/01/latest-technology-brings-happy-new-gear-at-loch-ness/ 1904 issue jacket
http://www.skeals.co.uk/Articles/SKEALS%20Celebrates%20lifeboat%20bicentenary.html might be the one you want and it is colour?
http://publicsculpturesofsussex.co.uk/object?id=136 is the memorial correct style?
........ still looking
Dave

Norseman · « **Reply #818 on:** June 24, 2012, 08:32:22 PM »

just realised you said 'belts' and I've been looking for jackets

Neil · « **Reply #819 on:** June 24, 2012, 09:11:46 PM »

I'm speachless matey...................still...........some good links just the same.
neil.

irishcarguy · « **Reply #820 on:** June 25, 2012, 09:02:32 AM »

Hi Neil , Watching Dave for some time now I firmly believe that if He can't find it ,it probably does not exist, he is one very helpful Mayhemer & always has good things to say. Your boats are looking better & better every day Neil & I feel launch day is fast approaching,thanks again for all your work & knowledge sharing. Mick B.

Neil · « **Reply #821 on:** June 25, 2012, 11:09:12 AM »

Quote from: irishcarguy on June 25, 2012, 09:02:32 AM

I feel launch day is fast approaching,. Mick B.

It certainly is Mick.
been spraying up all my stanchions this morning with undercoat..........the easy way, lol............not one for doing things one at a time if I can get away with it,

all the stanchions contain a fixing pin made from brass to fix to the toe boards..........so I utilised this by fixing them to a strip of 20mm square scrap via holes..........then just a matter of spraying on mass.

Tug---Kenny · « **Reply #822 on:** June 25, 2012, 11:58:57 AM »

Good idea

ken

Neil · « **Reply #823 on:** June 25, 2012, 12:14:22 PM »

Ken...................my wife says I'm full of 'em............usually when I'm trying to get out of doing the housework, especially ironing

furball · « **Reply #824 on:** June 25, 2012, 12:36:24 PM »

These help?

Lance

RAAArtyGunner · « **Reply #825 on:** June 25, 2012, 01:19:21 PM »

Quote from: irishcarguy on June 25, 2012, 09:02:32 AM

Hi Neil , Watching Dave for some time now I firmly believe that if He can't find it ,it probably does not exist, he is one very helpful Mayhemer

Agree

furball · « **Reply #826 on:** June 25, 2012, 03:02:41 PM »

That's a different Mary Stanford, Dave.

Rye Harbour lifeboat 'Mary Stanford' (O.N. 661) capsized with the loss of the whole crew in 1928, Neil' is the Ballycotton boat O.N. 733 from 1930 (although it was probably named after the first one).

The kapok liifejackets changed over the years - your links 2 & 3 are the correct ones I think - the one on the memorial is much earlier.

I think a salt water activated light (or possibly a whistle) hung on the round patch on the front - there's a rubber nipple bonded to the jacket to hook it on to.

Cheers

Lance

Neil · « **Reply #827 on:** June 25, 2012, 03:17:57 PM »

Lance.........would the life belts carried on the tops of the cabins be the same colour as the life jackets, as these were Kapoc filled and covered as well...........I was told by my Guru, Glyn who served on the boat, that they were an orange sort of colour........

cheers,
neil.

furball · « **Reply #828 on:** June 25, 2012, 03:36:55 PM »

As far as I know, they'd all be the same - They wouldn't have carried many spares, maybe one or two, any others would be the crew ones who hadn't bothered to put them on...

When was he on the boat? he wasn't using this sort was he - in the sixties?

They're not kapok though, closed cell foam as far as I know.

Lance

Norseman · « **Reply #829 on:** June 25, 2012, 03:59:58 PM »

Quote from: furball on June 25, 2012, 03:02:41 PM

That's a different Mary Stanford, Dave.

{-)Thanks Lance - boy can I get things wrong - it never occured to me there could be two

Love it.

Dave

rottweiler · « **Reply #830 on:** June 25, 2012, 04:37:49 PM »

I have just realised that over 20,000 Mayhemmers have looked at this thread! Surely it must be some kind of record? The man deserves a medal.What will Maria do when you are all finished Neil,and you will be spending more time in the house? Ironing,washing up, putting plugs back into their sockets on dishwashers,I bet your life will change forever!
Seriously my friend,I am proud to have made your acquaintance,and appreciate all you do to make our hobby such an interesting subject.
Thanks.
Mick F

irishcarguy · « **Reply #831 on:** June 25, 2012, 05:52:39 PM »

I have been giving it some thought & I am thinking that this build should be considered for our Master Class building section. I wonder what others think & if Martin would be so kind as to inform us if it qualifies for Master Class status or what else it would require to qualify, thank you Martin in advance. Mick B.

Norseman · « **Reply #832 on:** June 25, 2012, 05:59:51 PM »

You are so right Mick
but like Neil's shop, this thread needs mucho cleaning up

Parred down to the builds (and with me surgicaly removed) it would be a great resource for everyone

Dave

Neil · « **Reply #833 on:** June 25, 2012, 06:41:45 PM »

Quote from: furball on June 25, 2012, 03:36:55 PM

As far as I know, they'd all be the same - They wouldn't have carried many spares, maybe one or two, any others would be the crew ones who hadn't bothered to put them on...

When was he on the boat? he wasn't using this sort was he - in the sixties?

They're not kapok though, closed cell foam as far as I know.

Lance

lance...........I think we are talking at cross purposes here..........I meen the life rings........the things on top of the cabin that are round and usually coloured red and white quarters...........with rope attached to them for throwing into the water to casualties to grab hold of..........up't north we call 'em life belts.

sorry for the confusion.
neil.

rmaddock · « **Reply #834 on:** June 25, 2012, 07:30:12 PM »

Quote from: Neil on June 25, 2012, 06:41:45 PM

...up't north we call 'em life belts.

I don't think you should apologise Neil. I think they call them lifebelts everywhere.....and if they don't, then they're wrong!

furball · « **Reply #835 on:** June 25, 2012, 07:49:51 PM »

Ah - gotcha!

We've got a couple, and they are a sort of orangish canvas, more so than the kapok lifejackets above, but not really bright orange - they're not that old though I think.

I can't find any photos though (I'll keep hunting).

Cheers

Lance

Neil · « **Reply #836 on:** June 25, 2012, 08:05:35 PM »

Thanks Lance......those are the ones I think........they were mentioned by Glyn who served on her( Smuts) as did his dad who was coxs'n on her......and he mentioned that they were an orange colour.......dating from the late 50's - 60's.............just a change from the ordinary red and white ones or the later poly orange ones.
neil.

heritorasphodel · « **Reply #837 on:** June 26, 2012, 08:43:55 AM »

Do you mean this?

Andrew

furball · « **Reply #838 on:** June 26, 2012, 08:47:36 AM »

That's the sort of thing (it's actually a breeches buoy, but still...)

Lance

Neil · « **Reply #839 on:** June 26, 2012, 11:28:43 AM »

BRILLIANT, Andrew.,

many thanks...............i'd have painted them red and white, but was told by my guru that they were an orange "sort of colour"from what he remembered from his crewing days on the Smuts.
cheers, and thanks to all who searched.
neil.

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