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Re: Springer Tugs
« Reply #560 on: September 19, 2007, 07:50:42 PM »

Hi guys. yes it was the rudder tube, works a treat.  Yes i am building a springer, only just started on it , got all the dimensions etc from the american site. Watt tyler boat club is situated behind the motor boat museum in watt tyler country park , pitsea, basildon, essex...the club has a webb site with how to find instructions....... happy boating guys....regards   bob !
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« Reply #561 on: September 19, 2007, 08:20:27 PM »

Give me a break guys, I have only just got back from Las Vegas this cold weather is slowing my brain down. ;D ;D ;D ;D
You are right you did say rudder tube, I use vaseline and then put a seal on the top. The Duracell PP3 batteries that we have at work have a rubber seal over one terminal, perfect for a rudder tube seal. I will look the web site up, might see you there bob.

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« Reply #562 on: September 19, 2007, 09:44:02 PM »

Look forward to seeing you..There most sundays.  Got to get the springer finished now or ill have to make it an ice breaker!!!!!!   Now theres a thought.
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« Reply #563 on: September 20, 2007, 03:56:29 PM »

Now then me hearties,

having just started my springer, I was wondering...what is the consensus of opinion on the best motor to use?

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« Reply #564 on: September 20, 2007, 05:27:46 PM »

I dont know about "best" motor but in keeping with the cheap n cheerfull nature of the Springer Class boat I`d stick to a bog standard 540 available everywhere even Maplins. Any model boat shop should have or get one for you. You can experiment later. I`d advise a water cooling coil too. Whatcha building ? Any pics yet ?
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« Reply #565 on: September 20, 2007, 05:55:00 PM »

not much to show yet, bet here it is.
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« Reply #566 on: September 20, 2007, 06:56:10 PM »

As arrow5 said there is no best motor, just keep it cheep.
I put a Johnson 540 in my first springer, could pull anything but it was so overpowered that on its own anything over half throttle and I could get water an inch deep on the deck. I have now converted it to a 385 yet to be tested, my new springer will also have a 385 in it. Both will be able to take a 540 if I need to put one in, the bolts holding the mount to the hull are the same dimension for both motors. I have 33mm props on both my springers but no water cooling.
I think  if you want to play football then a 540 is way over the top, unless you want to take the opponents and the ball through the net at the same time;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #567 on: September 20, 2007, 07:41:08 PM »

Yep everything Ching says plus consider the high bow and fore-deck shown in the Czech fellows build pics or a simpler high "wall" as seen on MacSpringer way back in the early posts. Any interesting ideas for the superstructure ?
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« Reply #568 on: September 20, 2007, 08:48:05 PM »

Thanks guys,
Not thought about the superstructure yet - will see what 'springs' to mind through building the hull

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« Reply #569 on: September 21, 2007, 06:16:46 AM »

Hi all. I am sorry because I am now finishing my moving of boat. Last week in Prague was presented another Springer from Pavel Šťastný (=Happy), who uses Springler in TT. He finished at second place. I am so glad because at this websites I met boat from Victor. And I want to invite everybody (especially Victor) who Is from Czech area, becouse in Olomouc - Flora is large races (there will be at least three Springers)

I ll send photos then.

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« Reply #570 on: September 21, 2007, 08:20:13 AM »

That is interesting Cab, we all look forward to see the three(or more?) Springers from your part of the world. Make sure you fly the Czech Republic flag ! Happy sailing.
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« Reply #571 on: September 24, 2007, 08:42:29 PM »

It is awful quite in here, building I suppose ::) to cheer you up there has been a couple of Springer clips of goings on in a Highland glen on You tube.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B99SxXNrCBc   MacMayhem on the Loch :laugh:
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« Reply #572 on: September 24, 2007, 09:25:50 PM »

Arrow5 - I've got to get me one of those smoke units!!!!  :o
What make & model is it please?

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« Reply #573 on: September 24, 2007, 10:54:10 PM »

Martin, the smoke is pyrotechnic and generates heat, you will need a metal funnel. Available in various colours for model aircraft use. Best for boats is the slimmer 65 second burn in white.  "smoke screens" for battle scenes the 4 minute burn would be good if you have the space on the vessel. The "black" is rather purple-ish but if used with the orange could simulate a vessel on fire. Available from Robotbirds.com      http://robotbirds.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=129_128
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« Reply #574 on: September 24, 2007, 11:07:31 PM »



How were you able to control its reverse motion ?    I find mine just goes around in circles

Excellent film though. Made me smile.    ;D


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« Reply #575 on: September 24, 2007, 11:28:49 PM »

Ken, you cant ! It is very random :o PS for another source of smoke pellets try plumber`s supply shops for drain smoke testers. Made by PH Products Ltd. unit C7 Baird Court, Park Farm Industrial Estate. Wellingborough Northants. NN8 6QJ . Pricey but for special events worth it.
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« Reply #576 on: September 24, 2007, 11:44:07 PM »

Hi guys. Well that u tube film made me chuckle.Is that turning circle on a single 4 inch rudder? If it is ,it is quite manouverable.         Nearly finished the basic hull, still cant decide on a top yet. Will a two blade 40mm prop work or is it best to use a three blade ?       regards  bob.
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« Reply #577 on: September 25, 2007, 09:02:34 AM »

Yes that is the standard rudder with the Gurney strip on trailing edge. Never tried a two-blade prop. I guess they are for high revs on high-speed boats. I use a 3 blade  40 mm cut down to 38-ish. A 35mm 3 blade is pretty much best, less load.  I see Youtube has clumped together some other Springer clips we shot, check the menu under the main picture at end of clip.
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« Reply #578 on: September 25, 2007, 09:04:41 AM »

whats a gurney strip?
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« Reply #579 on: September 25, 2007, 09:17:07 AM »

Aren't they something to do with hospital trolleys?!!?  ::)

But I did find this.... http://www.aoe.vt.edu/~mason/Mason_f/AIAA2007-4175.pdf
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« Reply #580 on: September 25, 2007, 09:33:57 AM »

Your link on Gurney strips was fascinating Martin, but I had no idea that the concept had spread to aeronautics in general. A Gurney strip is nothing more than a lift modifier on the trailing edge of an aerofoil section, which could I suppose be a boat rudder. The name comes from one Daniel Sexton Gurney, one of the best racing drivers that the USA has ever produced, still a regular visitor to the Goodwood Festival, and an absolutely charming gentleman. His original idea was to add a narrow strip of aluminium, or aluminum as he would have caused it, to the full width rear bodywork of sports racing cars, as far as I can remember, he first did this to cars he was racing in the 1960s, but after a while most such cars were equipped with fairly substantial downforce inducing shapes moulded into the bodies, and a Gurney was an additional metal strip bolted to the rear of the moulded part, usually with slotted holes to that it could be moved up and down to alter the effect. The term is still used in racing today, and I never imagined that my early employment history would ever be useful in this way on Mayhem.
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« Reply #581 on: September 25, 2007, 09:43:08 AM »

I've just found this pic that I took at Goodwood this year, a good example of a fairly elaborate Gurney flap. The car is a 1970 approx Lola T70, and I was responsible for some of the styling of the bodywork on the original car. 1970. All of a sudden, I feel terribly old.....
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« Reply #582 on: September 25, 2007, 02:07:07 PM »

Hello martin. I used to live in gurney road, does that count ?. Please excuse me if i seem ffiiik (DER) ! BUTTHIS ERE GURNEY TAB IS FITTED UNDER THE WING TO IMPROVE LIFT.if you put one on each side of the rudder do they not cancel each other out ? regards....confused.......bob.
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« Reply #583 on: September 25, 2007, 07:48:55 PM »



I was wondering if it was on one side only, then the boat would veer against straight running.  ;)


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djrobbo

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« Reply #584 on: September 25, 2007, 09:02:12 PM »

Hi ken. i reckon that if it was on one side only it would make it turn unevenly .i.e,it would bias towards the side with the tab, i could be wrong of course but thats what i fink............regards bob.
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« Reply #585 on: September 25, 2007, 09:04:47 PM »

They are fitted like a T on the rear of the rudder. The other term is " fishtail" or "Salmon tail".
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« Reply #586 on: September 25, 2007, 10:07:57 PM »

They are fitted to make the springer turn in a smaller circle, handy if you are going to play football. The drag is minimal, I have a piece of 4mm square brass on the back of one of my rudders, fitted so from below it looks like a diamond. If I can get my camera to talk to my PC I will post a photo.

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« Reply #587 on: September 25, 2007, 10:19:30 PM »

Hi brian   Theres a photo of one of those on the american site exactly as you describe it.  Wondered what it was. My hull now built with 1/2 inch ply sides 2 x 1 pine bow and stern...3/16 ply bottom (in one piece)...interesting to bend....internal bulkheads from 3/16 ply, its already as heavy as a skip...now theres an idea for a top, could call it sprippy.................regards......bob.
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« Reply #588 on: September 25, 2007, 10:25:14 PM »

You got me bob I was just posting this as you posted yours.

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« Reply #589 on: September 25, 2007, 10:32:46 PM »

Hi Bob
Both of mine are built the same, 8mm ply sides, 10mm ply ends and the deck is 8mm. The bottom is 1.6mm ply on one of them and 2mm light ply on another, I reinforce the front area with another piece of ply inside all epoxied into place. I do not have any internal bulkheads.
With all the internals in them my springers have a fighting weight of about 4.2kg dripping wet so do not be surprised at the weight of yours.

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« Reply #590 on: September 25, 2007, 10:54:13 PM »

Hi brian ..If i can find out how to put piccies on here i'll take some of my build for you.  The only internal bulkhead as such is across the bow three inches back from the front, this spaceis filled with foam just in case....I'll definately try one of those gurney thingy's now i know what they are....cheers......regards...bob.
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« Reply #591 on: September 25, 2007, 11:25:25 PM »

I`ve just added a very short clip of a Springer spinning at fairly slow speed on Youtube. It spins just as quick when going fast. Great for footy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiaVcy-kQIO   or search for posts by MacSpringer for others.
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« Reply #592 on: September 26, 2007, 03:50:27 PM »

I`ve just added a very short clip of a Springer spinning at fairly slow speed on Youtube. It spins just as quick when going fast. Great for footy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiaVcy-kQI0  or search for posts by MacSpringer for others.
  Dont think I got that right , the last digit is zero not an O, or just search for post by MacSpringer and a couple should come up.
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« Reply #593 on: September 26, 2007, 09:52:59 PM »



Brilliant, Arrow.  I'm definitely going to try this.   8)

Here is the corrected address for those interested in seeing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiaVcy-kQI0


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« Reply #594 on: September 26, 2007, 10:29:37 PM »

Thanks Kenny, it is even more impressive at speed :o  Some smashing and bashing footy practise on www.putfile.com/Arrow5   
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