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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2012, 01:49:08 PM »

I added about 7,6 KG of ballast, she stayed afloat. The red part of the hull was still visible above the water line, for approximately half an inch.

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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2012, 12:34:04 PM »

Hello,

The first couple of alterations have been (successfully) completed:

- The capstans on the fore deck and poop deck have been given a bronze top.
- The 2 cranes on the poop deck: The white/brown section of the basis has been painted entirely white (except for the stairs).
- The 2 masts have been painted brown.

Things that still need to be done (among others):

- Build 2 new crane bases for the C-deck section of the stern from scratch, Graupner has it totally wrong here
- Paint the railings of the stairs on C-deck white (on the C-deck where the cranes are)
- Drill or paint the port holes on C-deck, E-deck and F-deck (I'll probably drill them, for I am planning to add lights to the model
- Correct the rigging plan
- Paint the brown doors white, or maybe i'll replace them with white (painted) plastic doors
- change the color of the (top of the) life boats and add ropes and names to them
- Remove the top of the compass, so it gets a square shape
- Add a brown bottom to some of the supports for the cranes
- Remove the (dark) glass from the skylights and replace it with transparant plastic
- Lord Kelvin's sounding machines will be built from scratch
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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2012, 07:57:53 PM »

Following this thread with great interest, any chance of seeing pic's of your improvements?
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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #38 on: July 03, 2012, 10:22:21 PM »

Hello,

Yes, I'll post some pics soon.
The problem is that my camera is at my ex girlfriends, and I still need to go there to get it back :)

It's still a work in progress, and I haven't been able to complete a lot of tasks.

In the meanwhile I've ordered dr Hahn's Titanic Plans on a 1:150 scale (same scale as the model) to search for any inaccuracies.
Sadly enough, I've found many more. Some of them are very difficult to fix, the risk of damaging the model is immense.

Latest discoveries:

- The (grey) color of the roofs of the boat deck houses is incorrect. This should be dark blue (difficult).
- The roofs of both the starboard and portside parts of the bridge house are now white, they should be grey, just like the wheel house
- The morse lamps on top of the bridge are not modelled the correct way
- The telegraphs inside the wheel house, and the ones on the poop deck are completely gold, their sides should be white (with text)
- The portholes on C deck have been painted white, just like the windows just in front of the aft well deck. They are windows and should look as such. The problem here is the wooden construction right behind them inside the hull. It was my initial idea to drill the portholes, but I am not sure this is safe. I am considering alternative options.
- Some brown stairs miss a white railing
- The lamp on the mast is missing
- One of the coal vents on the poop deck points in the wrong directions
- The deck houses on boat deck don't have the brown wooden railing
- There is a door on the hull positioned at the wrong location. Portside, right below the fore well deck. Correct location would be about an inch to the right, and 1 inch below. This can be fixed, for the rivets and doors etc have been glued on the hull (at least in this section)

Earlier found inaccuracies:

- The capstans on the fore deck and poop deck should have a bronze colored top
- The 2 cranes on the poop deck. The white/brown section of the basis should be entirely white (except for the stairs).
- The 2 masts are yellowish, but must be painted brown.
- Cranes on the aft well deck are not correctly modelled.
- Rigging plan is not correct
- The brown doors on the model should be white
- The (top of the) life boats has the wrong color and misses ropes and names to them
- The top of the compass needs to be altered
- Add a brown bottom to some of the supports for the cranes
- Remove the (dark) glass from the skylights and replace it with transparant plastic
- Lord Kelvin's sounding machines will be built from scratch
- Portholes right below the fore deck and poop deck (C Deck) are painted white

The biggest mistake that Graupner is painting the windows/portholes on C deck white.
If anyone has any suggestion on how to fix this, please tell me.

Painting them black or blueish doesn't give me the natural feel I am looking for.

My initial plan was to drill the windows/portholes, but this will weaken the inside structure of the vessel.
That of course could be fixed by adding a plank to it, but I am not sure this is such a good idea.

The other major difficulty is to change the color of the grey roofs at the foot of the funnels (partially).
There are so many small objects there (of which most can be removed, with some controlled force, I took off the cranes to be able to paint them), but I'm afraid some will get damaged beyond repair.

Hope to post some pics soon!

« Last Edit: July 03, 2012, 10:27:37 PM by dutch »
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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #39 on: July 03, 2012, 10:46:04 PM »

dutch please dont for one minute this is a dig at you Personally but does it really matter that there as some slight blunders on this model and at the end of the day that what it is,what I am getting at is you will soon become  so engrossed in changing this and that you will loose the enjoyment of this fine craft.

YES i do relaise it is annoying but please dont go down the route of a rivet counter trying to get perfection.You will soon get so fed up you will sell it.


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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2012, 11:06:16 PM »

If anyone has any suggestion on how to fix this, please tell me.

yep..............sell it to me, I'd be very happy to take it off your hands for a couple of hundred euros..........so many mistakes on it,.......... and build your own from scratch from Hann's plans.............only then would you be truly satisfied of the accuracy of the model. %% %% %% %% %%
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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2012, 10:12:17 PM »

dutch please dont for one minute this is a dig at you Personally but does it really matter that there as some slight blunders on this model and at the end of the day that what it is,what I am getting at is you will soon become  so engrossed in changing this and that you will loose the enjoyment of this fine craft.

YES i do relaise it is annoying but please dont go down the route of a rivet counter trying to get perfection.You will soon get so fed up you will sell it.


Dave

Dave, no worries...i'm not a rivet counter, but certain things will keep annoying me until they are fixed...sadly enough I do not have the time to use Hahn's plans to build a model from scratch, so I will make this one as close as possible to the original. I will not lose the enjoyment of this fine craft, I enjoy changing it, and I love it. I do however believe things can be improved, it will make me love the vessel even more :)
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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2012, 10:13:22 PM »

yep..............sell it to me, I'd be very happy to take it off your hands for a couple of hundred euros..........so many mistakes on it,.......... and build your own from scratch from Hann's plans.............only then would you be truly satisfied of the accuracy of the model. %% %% %% %% %%

hahaha...nice try! funny though   %%
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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2012, 10:37:16 PM »

I can live in hope.............probably die in dispair though. {:-{ {:-{ {:-{
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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2012, 10:38:51 PM »

dutch so so glad you didnt take offence at what I said no offence was intended at all,and you saw it that way,so so many model boat owners get so carried away with getting them so so perfect and forget to get some enjoyment and use of it .i know where you are comming from where some of the small innacuracies can really get to you.
Enjoy what you are doing and enjoy your sailing


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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #45 on: July 05, 2012, 11:33:41 AM »


Hi Dutch,

Can you put your location into your Profile please.  Local members might be interested in seeing your Titanic.  (I know I would   :} )

What is the latest price for Hahns plans please.

Regards,

ken
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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #46 on: July 06, 2012, 07:10:21 PM »

There is a solution to your porthole problem. Go to your local model shop and buy some black "Trim line", then get a hole punch, the type used to make holes in leather belts that come with a choice of hole punch sizes. . Its very tedious but you won't have to worry about getting black paint/ink on the model. Used it for my Graupner Sharnhorst and it looks just fine 2 years on.
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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #47 on: November 12, 2012, 09:39:05 PM »

Been a while since I have updated the topic, but the model has been sitting on the shelf above the TV until now. So I started to varnish the decks I just finished the first out of two layers on the hull. I will start with the first layer on the top section tomorrow.
1 out of two layers.







Not varnished at all:
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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #48 on: November 12, 2012, 09:53:27 PM »


Smashing job. She looks great.     :-))


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« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2012, 10:26:39 PM »

lovely  :-))
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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #50 on: November 12, 2012, 10:55:58 PM »

Thank you!  :-)
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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #51 on: November 14, 2012, 06:17:37 PM »

Finished the first coat of varnish on all the decks! Not gonna start with the second coat right away as i want it all to be completely dry before I start. I wish I had done this sooner as it makes the boat look so much nicer!



I will also fix the railing that looks bad from when it was damaged during shipping  :-))




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« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2012, 01:47:24 PM »

Hi there, what a stunning build, absolutely top class. Thoroughly enjoyed looking at your thread.  :-))
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« Reply #53 on: November 17, 2012, 11:03:10 PM »

Hi, just seen this thread and thought I'd add that I've also got a Graupner Titanic. I've been a bit of a Titanic enthusiast for as long as I can remember and I'm pretty impressed with this model on the whole and am a very proud owner. I don't think I'll be changing too much on my model, particularly where colours are concerned - the photos I have of the real one are black and white so I doubt many people will question the small colour variations!


Haven't sailed mine yet but am just at the stage of cutting and laying sheets of lead ballast in the bottom. Mine arrived pretty much perfect bar a few bent railings and a missing / broken anchor on the port side. The railings were easily straightened out but I still need an anchor if anyone can help?


When I used to be more involved in R/C model boats many years ago I seem to recall that you could buy smoke pellets to pop inside funnels. Does anyone know if they're still available?


Good to see the thread, thank you.  :-)
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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2012, 05:02:08 PM »

@adam, Thank you!  :-)


@Hawke, Yes, it's a beautiful ship! I won't be changing anything color wise either, I'm just varnishing the deck timber so it wont warp when it comes in contact with water. I still haven't decided if I will try the model on the water yet. As for the anchor I think you can call the place you bought the model from, they might be able to help you to get spare parts. I got my broken/missing items from the store I bought the model from :-) 
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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2012, 09:04:02 PM »

Thanks Adam. Interesting what's been said about the decks. Now you come to mention it the deck veneer running the length of the lower promenade (on the starboard side) is a bit wrinkly in places but, fortunately, doesn't show because it's enclosed. I think maybe I'd better varnish mine too as it's destined for the water.


I've just remembered I also had to straighten out the ladders that run up the front of the funnels, and some of those famous Welin davits.



I've been absolutely captivated by this model and have really admired the detail. I can't stop looking at it. Couldn't believe the accuracy of the deck benches. Heck, even the cast iron end frames have the correct design. There's no doubt about it, for a sad old (not so old, actually!) Titanic nut it's a delight. I always promised I'd build myself an R/C version of this liner one day but I'm not sure I need to now.


Have any of you chaps got any shots of her in the water? Would love to see them.


Graham


 
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Re: Graupner Titanic
« Reply #56 on: Yesterday at 09:36:50 AM »

Can I ask what varnish you used on the decks?
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