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[wullie/mk2]

Wullie already said that there was a shortage there,and that he's going there for his hols.

Thankyou,I feel vindicated,....as for you  Geoff, ..specsavers are doing a buy one get one free,

[wullie/mk2]

Hi Wullie, fill your boot with water cans you might be able to make a fast buck(sorry pound) selling it to pay for the holiday,I have never known a Scot to miss a money making opportunity yet, LOL. Mick B.

That was a bit below the belt,and un-called for ...and anyway i,m only 50% Scottish,and 50% Ukrainian,

[Norseman]

and anyway i,m only 50% Scottish,and 50% Ukrainian,

Ne khvīli͡uĭtesi͡a! Wullie, Meni, bud' laska pyva 

Dave

[Tug---Kenny]

How can I moderate this.     



ken

[Norseman]

Don't worry Wullie, can I have a beer please? ........... I think, sorry Ken

[DickyD]

Ban Wullie Ken and do us all a favour Ken.  

[Norseman]

er - You can't - that's only a yellow card photo

[DickyD]

       

[wullie/mk2]

Ban Wullie Ken and do us all a favour Ken.  

Dangling carrots or yellow cards,might be good for Donkeys,

[Tug---Kenny]

It was on the news today that June was the wettest for 100 years. Any thoughts on this ???


ken

[irishcarguy]

Ken you can't ban Wullie, he is just pure entertainment & besides we all secretly love him. Billy Connelly move over Wullie has arrived. It is time again to laugh & have fun even if some will bust their strait jackets with the effort. We have been far too serious since the melt down, Lets have some Mayhem again. Mick B.

[Norseman]

I'll get a couple of crates of Double Diamond from behind the bar and it's all back to Mick's for a party.
If anyone wants a soft drink it'll have to be Canada Dry 

Dave

[wullie/mk2]

You obviously did,nt listen to a word I said Dave,when you eventually get the V,..I,ll send you down a bottle of decent beer,....and it,ll be broon, ...an no like that p***y watter stuff you,ve got doon there,

[Norseman]

The bottled stuff disappeared years ago Wullie - the modern draft beer is only 2.8%.
In the seventies we always had 'jars out' after the pub shut on Saturday night.
Then money back on the empties and crate got us a couple of pints for the Sunday afternoon session
Mackeson's milk stout, Mann's Brown were some others, the girls liked Pony, Cherry b, Babycham, Snowball.
Never did take to 'Newcastle Brown' though - not even during a 'drought in Engerland' ........................ and we're back on topic Ken

Dave

[dodgy geezer]

It was on the news today that June was the wettest for 100 years. Any thoughts on this ???

Yup

1 - The Met Office forecast in March for the next three months said it was going to be dry. They used their 'climate change' model....

2 - It doesn't matter how wet it gets. Down in the SE we haven't got enough reservoirs, so we can't store enough of it for when it's not raining. The government won't allow us to put any more reservoirs in - they say that water is too scarce, and we must use less of it instead....   

[essex2visuvesi]

Yup

2 - It doesn't matter how wet it gets. Down in the SE we haven't got enough reservoirs, so we can't store enough of it for when it's not raining. The government won't allow us to put any more reservoirs in - they say that water is too scarce, and we must use less of it instead....   

The mind boggles at the logic used there

[Norseman]

The government are blindly following a European directive on the 10% - I think it was on the news (not sure when).

If everyone just stopped huddling ever tighter into one corner of the country that would help too.

Dave

[dodgy geezer]

The mind boggles at the logic used there

I have a letter from CCWater (the official body representing the water consumer) which says that although there is a lot of water on this planet, most of it is undrinkable because it is in the sea, so we must conserve the diminishing amount of fresh water we do have.

They do not appear to understand the hydrological cycle!

(In fact, it's worse. We have been 'ordered' by the EU environmental directives to cut our water consumption per head per day by 2030, and the officials are just casting around for a set of words to justify this. The current usage is 150L - we are expected to drop this to 130L or 120L. That is a 20% drop! Source 'Water Futures - 2008')

[Norseman]

Apply that logic to Air. There is a finite amount of it, most of it is elsewhere, reduce your intake by 2030 or else
some simple measures  -

expel some of the aliens - 10% saving there at least
ban all exercise - but would only work in the south really, already done that here
shut me up...........  priceless but can't be done (though the Mods occasionally prove me wrong on that )

Now Canada has an excessive amount of clean air and for the most part nobody is even using it.

Dave

[essex2visuvesi]

Plenty of water here as well.... nice clear water (well it is up here not so sure about down in Helsinki)

The lake that feeds our well is huge, it runs from here to Tampere which is 150kms south.
When you consider that Finland is 130,596 sq mi and has a population around 5.5million and England is 50,346 sq mi with a population of 52million we are positively swimming in the stuff (and do)
Its always amazed me that model boating is not a bigger hobby here than it is... Plenty of local wood for materials and you are rarely more than a few miles from a lake

[irishcarguy]

Here in Canada where we have between 20 & 25% of the planets total fresh water, depending on who you believe, we still get the story of there being a water shortage.We are only 33 million people & have 25% of the total planet supply of fresh water & we have a water shortage, LOL. Of course what we don't use winds up in the ocean anyway. What is really going on is that private interests (read crooks) see a bottomless pit of money if they could ever get control of it. I find it hard to believe that a national resource that belongs to us all could be taken over & then sold back to us by the crooks despite we being the original owners of it in the first place. The Americans are always casting their eyes north & have made lots of noise about we "sharing" with them & of course there are those among us that would be happy to sell. Some among us would not like them to have empty swimming pools in the middle of the desert states poor things.The problem is if that ever happened that we "shared" our water with them,under the present "free" trade agreement if once sold to them it cannot be reversed, that is without a war, & we all know how America plays the "share" game. The "free trade" agreement states that we have to treat the Americans exactly the same as our own people, you have to question the brains of any politician that would sign a deal like that & what did they get under the table. If any of you have the time take a look @ the Columbia River Treaty that was signed with the Americans & how they got control of the river & lakes, it is frightening to say the least. So far we are lucky, water was not part of the original "free trade agreement".What I don't understand is how private interests in the U/K got hold of all your water rights in the first place. The local council here in Calgary offers you a $100.00.discount on your water bill for every lo/flush toilet you install. Of course what they then do is inspect your home & raise your taxes because of the improvements you have made,pretty sneaky I would say. As far as that goes the less they know about me the better, Canadians will freely give out their private information to most anyone. I can see things getting very nasty in the not too distant future when people start to wake up & realise what has happened while they were asleep., it should be interesting times to say the least. Mick B.

[Norseman]

Now Canada has an excessive amount of clean air and for the most part nobody is even using it.

  Doh - wrong again!!! I forgot about Mick 

Yes, if you sell to the Americans I can see your water prices being increased at least - though you have the water to spare, would you have to build greater infrastructure? Would the Americans contract for the local resources nearer the border, with the local population then paying for supplies from further afield? Who knows when it is all profit driven?

Dave

[dodgy geezer]

[quote author=irishcarguy link=topic=37627.msg380187#msg380187 date=134132


Here in Canada where we have between 20 & 25% of the planets total fresh water, depending on who you believe, we still get the story of there being a water shortage.We are only 33 million people & have 25% of the total planet supply of fresh water & we have a water shortage, LOL. .....
[/quote]

Nobody on Earth has a WATER shortage. There are a couple of cubic kilometers of water for every man, woman and child on the planet. And furthermore, when you use it it is not destroyed, but just flows round the hydrological cycle to be used again. There is no reason everybody should not have as much water as they want.

What we DO have, frequently, are INFRASTRUCTURE shortages. There is loads of water available, but it needs to be captured, stored, purified and piped to where it is needed. That is, actually, quite a cheap process, and the water companies (at least in the UK) are happy enough to pay for it. But what is amazing is that they are being prevented from doing so by the UK Government and the EU.

These bodies have listened to environmental activists, who have a simple mantra for 'natural shortages'; "We must conserve!". So they are 'conserving' the water supply by forcing people to use less! This is madness. But it is happening, and nobody in authority seems to care enough to point out why it is wrong... 

[Norseman]

There is no reason everybody should not have as much water as they want.

I don't object to my kids using water - just to them using hot water by showering for an hour at a time, each 

Seriously though - we can't look at water as a stand alone item - we have to look at the energy usage that water entails - so there is a good environmental arguement to be made.

Dave

[essex2visuvesi]

I don't object to my kids using water - just to them using hot water by showering for an hour at a time, each 

Seriously though - we can't look at water as a stand alone item - we have to look at the energy usage that water entails - so there is a good environmental arguement to be made.

Dave

Make them have cold showers or go swim in the lake :)

Now in my day.....

[irishcarguy]

Dave if we were ever stupid enough to sell to the Americans & the day arrived that we would need to restrict or curtail the sales can you imagine what would happen?. Selling your countries non renewable natural resources to the highest bidder is not a good long term policy, worse yet is letting other countries & private corporations take control of them. It is a complex subject but caution is never a bad idea before you make moves that can't or would be very difficult to reverse.There are people that would like a monopoly on air, water, & the food supply, all things necessary needed to sustain life, these should NEVER be in the control of private individuals, my opinion & quite a few others as well. Mick B. 

[Norseman]

unfortunately, here, they are already  in the hands of shareholders and executive boards already.

Dave

[irishcarguy]

Hi Dodgy, you are correct, water does not disappear it just goes round & round, ask the astronauts they know & I won't expand on it. To Dave, I am not aware of how that happened in England. Mick B.

[Norseman]

Now in my day.....

Let me guess, it was a wet tuesday afternoon, somewhere near the junction of routes 18 and 66 and the sound of the chainsaws of Alavus buzzed faintly, no Visuvesi bus today so you walked . Yes, I could have done Essex but hey your place is more romantic

Well, that's exactly the sort of response I'd get from my kids for anything faintly historical - so I can never start with 'in my day'

Dave

[essex2visuvesi]

Let me guess, it was a wet tuesday afternoon, somewhere near the junction of routes 18 and 66 and the sound of the chainsaws of Alavus buzzed faintly, no Visuvesi bus today so you walked . Yes, I could have done Essex but hey your place is more romantic

Well, that's exactly the sort of response I'd get from my kids for anything faintly historical - so I can never start with 'in my day'

Dave

Now thats some local Knowledge lol

I guess google is on your christmas card list 

[dodgy geezer]

I don't object to my kids using water - just to them using hot water by showering for an hour at a time, each 

Seriously though - we can't look at water as a stand alone item - we have to look at the energy usage that water entails - so there is a good environmental arguement to be made.

Dave

No there isn't. I've done the calculations. As an example, storing rainwater is about 80 times more expensive AND worse for the environment than using mains piped water. But that's a point for another thread....

[Norseman]

I don't see it Dodgy - If it takes X amount for a decent shower and my kids use 10X then ten times the water is pumped here by the waterboard, ten times the gas heating, ten times electrically pumped upstairs, bathroom lights and fans are on longer than needed. Then there's the waste water to be purified too. That is a lot of needlessly wasted energy.

Plus all the hot air I produce because I really need the loo

Dave

[wullie/mk2]

I,m surprised the water companies don,t ask us to perhaps share a bath,

[Norseman]

You talking to me?

[armc40]

Now in my day....we were so poor that during a drought we were forced to dilute the water !