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Model Boat Newbie
« on: August 22, 2012, 05:32:25 pm »

Hi All, I am a plastic model builder and have always wanted an RC boat. I recently acquired a 1/72 Revell S100 Schnellboot and on seeing that some people have converted them to RC I thought I might give it a try. I am thinking of acquiring a cheapish (I am on a small budget here) model boat that I can swipe the innards out of for the S100. I was thinking probably one that turns using the motors, though I will install my boat's rudders so that they can be connected to a servo at some stage - I was also thinking that maybe I should have gone for a 1/35 boat but as i cannot afford that as yet, I will practice on this one - I would love to eventually build something like a Precedent Perkasa.

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Re: Model Boat Newbie
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2012, 06:06:27 pm »

ask this fella he might still have the rc gubbins

http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=38925.msg389935;topicseen#msg389935

whats your budget?
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Re: Model Boat Newbie
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2012, 06:19:22 pm »

i know your wanting to keep costs down but buying an rtr boat to swipe the innards could be more expensive and the rc gear could be of dubious quality ( quality and range issues )
whereass you can get a cheapish 2.4 ghz tx and rx for under 50 pounds  a speed controller for 25 ish pounds ( of course if you have 2 motors and want independant speed control youl need 2 ) and a steering servo for about 8 pounds
ohh and welcome aboard  :-))
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Re: Model Boat Newbie
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2012, 06:44:05 pm »

ask this fella he might still have the rc gubbins
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=38925.msg389935;topicseen#msg389935
whats your budget?

Thanks Mad Mike, I have PM'd the fella. My budget, well my girlfriend would say £0, me I would say not much. I suppose over time about £50

Wayne
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Re: Model Boat Newbie
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2012, 06:47:06 pm »

i know your wanting to keep costs down but buying an rtr boat to swipe the innards could be more expensive and the rc gear could be of dubious quality ( quality and range issues )
whereass you can get a cheapish 2.4 ghz tx and rx for under 50 pounds  a speed controller for 25 ish pounds ( of course if you have 2 motors and want independant speed control youl need 2 ) and a steering servo for about 8 pounds
ohh and welcome aboard  :-))

Thanks Stormbringer, I was looking at a £10-20 boat off eBay - Really this is just to get some experience and practice in RC, so range is not an issue, quality maybe a bit more of an issue - I must say I am still torn really between the project described above or spending a few years getting bits together for a Precedent Perkasa - At least with the Schnellboot I could be operating it in our pond in a few months.

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Re: Model Boat Newbie
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2012, 09:07:00 pm »

From watching cheap model boats, I would say that range can be very poor. Also the Rx can be affected by other transmitters.Why not by a secondhand 25 or 40 meg set off ebay? Or post on Mayhem wants and swaps. John
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Re: Model Boat Newbie
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2012, 09:26:05 pm »

From watching cheap model boats, I would say that range can be very poor. Also the rec can be affected by other transmitters.Why not by a secondhand 25 or 40 meg set off ebay? Or post on Mayhem wants and swaps. John

Thanks John, it seems you are right, might be a better idea to look at these sets, you say 25 or 40 meg sets, what then is a 2.4ghz set or do they mean the same thing?

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Re: Model Boat Newbie
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2012, 10:39:19 pm »

A 2.4 set does the same thing, but does not use crystals. Once you have bound your rec to the trans, a simple job ,  then no one elses set can effect or control yours. Binding is done just once. From then on, switch on and go. 25 and 40 use crystals to set an exact frequency.So its possible for another set to be swiched on with the same crystals as yours so controlling your model. Most clubs will have a peg board so you know what is in use. I understand that Giant Shark will soon be selling a 2.4 set for under £20. John.
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Re: Model Boat Newbie
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2012, 12:52:57 am »

you can buy most of this stuff for beans on ebay. I had to research the size of this model and its about 45 cm so itl be pretty cheap to do. If anyone has any doubts, speak up.

youl need radio gear, ive bought several of these 2.4ghz kits off this seller too:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-4GHZ-2-4G-FS-GT2-2CH-Radio-Model-RC-Transmitter-Receiver-FOR-RC-Car-Boat-/270989196425?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3f1836fc89

youl need an esc, this is cheap as chips but actually works as long as you keep the motors small:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ESC-20A-Brushed-Reverse-Motor-Speed-Controller-For-1-16-1-18-Car-Boat-New-/280915472461?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4167ddf04d


youl need a prop:

https://astecmodels.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=25_50_59&products_id=347&osCsid=b74d952da78f491f303a439a2c13c5df

a prop shaft from mmb, you will need to work out what lenght when you get the boat. If you cand find the one you need message him and hell make you one.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MMB-M2-STAINLESS-STEEL-PROPSHAFT-2-8-/280936339832?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&var=&hash=item41691c5978

a 360 motor, youl need totake the pump off:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RS-360SH-Pumping-motor-Water-spray-motor-DC-3v-12V-for-water-dispenser-bhd-/261083061988?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PondsWaterFeatures_UK&hash=item3cc9c35ee4

a coupling to join the 2 togeather.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MINIATURE-MODEL-BOAT-COUPLING-M2-/180953636492?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D27%26meid%3D1516340672157249699%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D1011%26rk%3D3%26

rudder:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RUDDER-SMALL-MINI-rc-model-boat-brass-electric-scale-/120702600343?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item1c1a6f8497

mini servo
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SG90-9g-Mini-MIcro-Servo-Fits-450-Heli-RC-Car-Boat-/330587251395?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item4cf88922c3

youl need some wire or somerthing to conect them.

youl also need a battery. i reckon a sevel cell nihm with 8.4v should do it,  but iof not a 7.2v will be fine. You also need a charger, but iud suggest you get one with an auto cutt off if funds allow.
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Re: Model Boat Newbie
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2012, 07:27:31 am »

Wow thanks Mike, just the sort of list I needed, much appreciated

Regards

Wayne
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2012, 01:27:12 pm »

you could i suppose use this for the bits. It has an esc, motor, prop, batteries, charger basically everything.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ripmax-Joysway-Magic-Vee-Micro-R-C-Speedboat-Spares-Or-Repairs-/251136892878?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item3a78ecdfce

you will need a 9g mini servo to replace the damaged one:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Micro-9g-Mini-Servo-Futaba-Hitec-HS-55-GWS-walkera-RC-/280666157253?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item415901b0c5

If and when funds allow upgrade to the 2.4ghz radio set i showed you on the list.

This is how i would do it myself as i have once been in your position, I use to use toy rc cars back then. If were to do it again theres a lot of things id do do different.

Theres another spares and repairs here:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RADIO-CONTROL-BOAT-JOYSWAY-MAGIC-VEE-FAULTY-/300765833738?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item46070a6a0a

I dont know what is wrong with this but it wont be much that cant be easily fixed, the mechanicals and running gear and batteries are least likely the problem. So you will be able to salvage these. I dare say that the problem will be either a dodgy wire, or busted esc. From what i can gather though it seems like its never run so the problem might be even simpler like not chargeg it or something

both these boats are £48 brand new, but these broken ones id guess will go for about 15 quid. dont go over 20.
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Re: Model Boat Newbie
« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2012, 03:45:46 pm »

Great stuff, thanks again Mad_Mike

Wayne
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Re: Model Boat Newbie
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2012, 04:24:24 pm »

The classic cheap radio place is Giant Shark - bur it tends to be for people who know what they're buying. However the radios are always a good buy - here is their £26 2.4Ghz offering.  http://www.giantshark.co.uk/giantcod-24ghz-4channel-mode2-transmitter-p-403779.html

Don't buy 35Mhz - that's only for planes...
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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2012, 04:48:36 pm »

The classic cheap radio place is Giant Shark - bur it tends to be for people who know what they're buying. However the radios are always a good buy - here is their £26 2.4Ghz offering.  http://www.giantshark.co.uk/giantcod-24ghz-4channel-mode2-transmitter-p-403779.html

Thanks dodgy geezer - What does mode 1 / mode 2 mean - Will I have to change it to mode 1?
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2012, 06:30:30 am »

Thanks Martin - admin

I take it that I can have one transmitter and link it to as many receivers/boats as I want? I am planning a build of a stand off scale yacht as well as converting the schnellboot, so would be good to only have to buy one transmitter

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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2012, 08:10:18 am »

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I take it that I can have one transmitter and link it to as many receivers/boats as I want?


Indeed you can. That's actually an area where the Radiolink scores if you want to cut costs, since the extra receivers are the cheapest on the market, at under £10.

You don't need to worry about Mode 1/2. What it refers to is more important for aircraft flying.

Speaking simply, you have 2 sticks on a radio, each providing 2 controls (up/down and left/right). So there are 4 things you can control in total. For a boat you usually use 2 (rudder and speed). For an aeroplane you use all 4 (rudder, elevator, aileron and speed). It's up to you which stick movement on the radio works which control on the model, but there are some obvious choices. For a boat, one of the left/right sticks might do steering, and one of the up/down sticks might do speed - it doesn't really matter which.

For an aeroplane, there are two possible 'obvious' choices - speed on the left stick or the right. In Europe modelers usually use one way - in the US they usually use the other way. That's Mode 1 or 2. For an aeroplane, if you let someone else fly it, it's critically important for them to know which controls do what, so standardisation of control inputs is very important. For a boat it's much less so.

In any case, most radios nowadays have a little switch that lets you change the controls between modes 1 and 2 very easily. The Radiolink and the Planet both have this. 
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2012, 09:28:42 pm »

Well, I don't think the first has a reverse, while the second one does, if that's important.  I have one of these, which is quite good value... http://www.giantshark.co.uk/60amp-boat-p-404813.html
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2012, 09:46:25 pm »

Thanks dodgy geezer, reverse is a good idea - i take it oyu have not had the problem with the ESC noted on the website you linked to?

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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2012, 09:54:14 pm »

Well, I don't think the first has a reverse, while the second one does, if that's important.  I have one of these, which is quite good value... http://www.giantshark.co.uk/60amp-boat-p-404813.html

this esc ^ is a brushless one and if memory serves me right theyre forward only. I cant gurantee for this perticualr one because i had the 80 amp version.
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2012, 11:54:39 pm »

this esc ^ is a brushless one and if memory serves me right theyre forward only. I cant gurantee for this perticualr one because i had the 80 amp version.


Sorry - I didn't notice what Mad Mike obviously has - that you have compared two different types of esc - a brushed with a brushless. You can only use a brushed esc for brushed motors, and a brushless for brushless ones. Have you bought your motor(s) yet, and if so, what type did you get?
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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2012, 06:18:44 am »

Thanks Guys, I bought the motor suggested in post 8 of this thread, I will use the ESC suggested as well (this is the second one mentioned above) - I was just querying ESCs to try learn more about them, just as well I did as I did not know about ones for brushed and brushless motors!

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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2012, 10:52:53 am »

You would see the difference easily enough if you bought one!

Brushed motors are like the ones you are probably used to - two wires coming out, connect them to a battery and the motor will turn. If you want to add an esc, that will also have two wires going in from the battery and two coming out to the motor.

Brushless motors are rather different. They have three wires going in. You can't connect these direct to a battery - they have to connect to a special ESC which also has three wires coming out. Brushless motors can provide lots of power in a small size, but tend not to have very good slow speeds...
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Re: Model Boat Newbie
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2012, 07:35:34 pm »

Hi Guys, does anyone make a prop of around 20mm to fit an M2 thread? I have been directed to a 26mm one (see reply #8) but would prefer a smaller diameter one.

Thanks, Wayne

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