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[SHADOWFLEET]

hi people . it came today the Hms cossack by deans marine
one problem tho.
i work off measurments so things are square and in place.
looking thru the book let i came in to a problem
there showing pictures of motor housing going in . cross beams an parts of the decking . only probs is
there is no measurements where the beam work has to go or any measurements regarding building the hull an setting the motor housing in place?? could i be looking in the wrong area . or does some out there  know where i can get the measurments so i can build the boat . at this min all im seeing is alot of detail of the outer of the boat. no nuffin in side the hull showing how far or where things have got to go

[mikearace]

I suggest you give Ron at Deans Marine a call.  He will go through any measurement questions you have.

[RAAArtyGunner]

I suggest you give Ron at Deans Marine a call.  He will go through any measurement questions you have.

That's not really a viable/practiable option/solution for us overeseas members/readers.
 
Is this kits instructions lacking?????

[essex2visuvesi]

Can you not take the measurements from the plans?

[SHADOWFLEET]

Id say it is . But deans marine help't me speed comtrollers. But general imfomation is good .but i just cnrt find any of the  information im looking for . I mean i built model scale air craft with my grandad. An on the plan. U had a side veiw of the aircraft. An they shown how far the bulk heads needs to be an where any wood or angles needed to go . Same with a model boat plan i have . Shows me where an how to build the boat. But the plan i have detail of it is great. But shows me no birds i view of where the parts pf the bulk an beams needs to be . For example again they show pictures on of the wood being set in place an the middle bulk head in place . An the for castle deck in place . But no no drawings how far back from the bow . So i can get it right . Oh and the drawing shows wood parts . But nope all i have is alot plastic

My father is phoning them today about it as im at work .

[SHADOWFLEET]

Can you not take the measurements from the plans?

I would if it shown me where fhe bulk head lines are ment to be or sections
Ill find out today off deans marine
As by the sounds of are first convosatiom wifh them . They are helpful

[pettyofficernick]

Hi there, I built a Deans Cossack many years ago, and no, there wasn't very much info for deck beams etc, only some undimensioned sketches in the instruction book. If you approach the job in a logical manner, all will fall into place. As I recall, 1/4 square timbers were run around the inside of the hull, 1 mm down from the edge (the thickness of the deck). On the printed plastic sheets, you will find the decks, , the beams will need to correspond with the openings under the superstructures, and you will also need to put one at the rear of the fore deck, to support it at the fo'csle break. If you work to the decks, you won't go wrong, cut the decks out oversize slightly to start with and sand the edges to fit the hull. You may find the hull sides have bowed inwards slightly, this is normal for a glassfibre molded hull, so be aware of it. As far as the motors go, cut out for the shafts ( the position should show up as fine lines molded on to the underside of the hull) Assemble the drive train, motors couplings and shafts and position in the hull, when all is lined up, you will know theposition of the motor mounts, make sure the shafts are parallel before fixing.
Hope this is of some help.
Nick.

[TailUK]

This may or may not turn out to be useful to you but I'm sure you'll find it interesting.
 
http://www.hnsa.org/doc/plans/tribal.pdf
 
They are General Arrangement drawings of the Tribal class and are useful to figure out positions of deck furniture and the like.  The best part is they are free!

[SHADOWFLEET]

thank you everybody for all useful information.
i also spoken to a gentleman at deans marine an have got alot of useful information how to build it . and why there are no really detailed instructions.
so after speaking to them im going to photo the hole build . step by step . so anyone who needs help building the cossack wont get as stuck as i did

[pettyofficernick]

Good form, look forward to watching your progress

[mikearace]

That's not really a viable/practiable option/solution for us overeseas members/readers.
 
Is this kits instructions lacking?????

No perhaps its not but as he lives in Shropshire it seemed a reasonable suggestion for a solution to this specific request for help which wasnt as far as I could see a request for general advice that would apply worldwide.  My geography was always poor and silly me I didnt realise Peterborough and Shropshire are actually in entirely different countries.  My apologies for trying to help - must think next time and not offer help before consulting an atlas. 

[SHADOWFLEET]

Thank you . I got useful information i needed so bad

[mikearace]

Hopefully my suggestion was of some use to you at least despite the view of someone else that it wasnt helpful.

[SHADOWFLEET]

Hi mike yes it was . I do thank you

[SHADOWFLEET]

What is the best way to cut plasticard ??? Its about 2-3mm thick

[TailUK]

It's been my experience that it's really best to saw 2-3 mm plastic sheet, some may disagree.  A fret, piercing or coping saw will do the job a treat.  Remember not to try and cut to quickly as it melts the plastic edges and clogs the saw.

[pettyofficernick]

If it is the plastic sheet in your Deans kit, I will probably be 1 0r 1.5 mm. If that is the case, a steel rule and a sharp Stanley knife is what I use, make several light cuts and then bend away from the cut and the sheet will 'break' neatly. Don't try and do it in one go. Keep your fingers firmly on the steel rule and cut towards you, safer that way, do not try and use a wooden or plastic rule, as the knife can cut into them and you will not get an accurate cut. A little tip for you, I have a steel rule adapted for cutting plastic sheet, which can be quite slippery, Glue a strip of 400 or 600 wet and dry paper to the back of the rule, this will prevent it sliding about on the shiny plastic surface.......

[SHADOWFLEET]

If it is the plastic sheet in your Deans kit, I will probably be 1 0r 1.5 mm. If that is the case, a steel rule and a sharp Stanley knife is what I use, make several light cuts and then bend away from the cut and the sheet will 'break' neatly. Don't try and do it in one go. Keep your fingers firmly on the steel rule and cut towards you, safer that way, do not try and use a wooden or plastic rule, as the knife can cut into them and you will not get an accurate cut. A little tip for you, I have a steel rule adapted for cutting plastic sheet, which can be quite slippery, Glue a strip of 400 or 600 wet and dry paper to the back of the rule, this will prevent it sliding about on the shiny plastic surface.......

I will try that with the sand paper . Going be starting the model next monday when i get in from work . Only thing is now .is with the 2mm line around the hull an bending the wood around the stern an bow

Any ideas .

[TailUK]

Try using 2-3 strips of 1mm aeroply.  Laminate the strips with glue and clamp them into the curve with spring clamps or clothes pegs.  When the glue sets the ply will retain the shape and be very strong.  the long side can be handled the same way or you could combine the ply with wetted wood strips gently warmed to introduce a curve.  Have a look at my Wavemaster thread for more about bending wood
 
http://www.modelboatmayhem.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=40484.35

[pettyofficernick]

Hi There, To mark the line around the inside of the hull you could cut a notch on the end of a piece of spart 1/4 sq. timber  so it will sit on the edge of the hull, with the end 2mm down, place your pencil on the bottom of the projection and scribe your line. Alternatively you could use a joiners combination square or a pair of odd leg calipers. An alternative method for bending timbers is kerfing, make cuts with a razor saw 3 to 5mm apart about 2/3 of the way through the timber, where the curve is most severe, make the cuts closer together, this will make it very easy to get the timber to conform to ant degree of curve you need.

[SHADOWFLEET]

Hi There, To mark the line around the inside of the hull you could cut a notch on the end of a piece of spart 1/4 sq. timber  so it will sit on the edge of the hull, with the end 2mm down, place your pencil on the bottom of the projection and scribe your line. Alternatively you could use a joiners combination square or a pair of odd leg calipers. An alternative method for bending timbers is kerfing, make cuts with a razor saw 3 to 5mm apart about 2/3 of the way through the timber, where the curve is most severe, make the cuts closer together, this will make it very easy to get the timber to conform to ant degree of curve you need.

May i just say that is a beautful boat. Im going to have to find the kit.
Where did you get the metal clamps from . Im going to sit down an read the hole thread when i get in

[SHADOWFLEET]

Hi There, To mark the line around the inside of the hull you could cut a notch on the end of a piece of spart 1/4 sq. timber  so it will sit on the edge of the hull, with the end 2mm down, place your pencil on the bottom of the projection and scribe your line. Alternatively you could use a joiners combination square or a pair of odd leg calipers. An alternative method for bending timbers is kerfing, make cuts with a razor saw 3 to 5mm apart about 2/3 of the way through the timber, where the curve is most severe, make the cuts closer together, this will make it very easy to get the timber to conform to ant degree of curve you need.

Soon as i get in ill try that . Seems like a good idea

[pettyofficernick]

A variety of clamps, clips etc can be purchased from Expo tools at very reasonable prices.  http://www.expotools.com/  The clamps are listed under hand tools. I think you may have made one of your quotes in error, shouldn't one of them been Tail's?

[SHADOWFLEET]

Yeah it should of . Im on my mobile at work . So i have a little excuse lol . But yes it was for tails

[TailUK]

May i just say that is a beautful boat. Im going to have to find the kit.
Where did you get the metal clamps from . Im going to sit down an read the hole thread when i get in

The metal clamps came from Maplins £3.99 for 4 (the listing says a "5 piece" set but the fifth piece is a magnetic base which i've yet to find a use for)
 
http://www.maplin.co.uk/productsearch?criteria=5-Piece%20Mini%20G-Clamp%20Set