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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2013, 10:05:28 AM »

^What he said - it's a lovely job.

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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2013, 01:29:08 PM »

Great looking project, I'm looking forward to seeing your next pictures.
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2013, 01:49:38 PM »

Thank you for your kind comments. I'll post some more pictures shortly. Not much progress in evidence but it has now been fibreglassed and followed by lots of sanding. I had some trouble with the epoxy resin cureing due to the low temperatures but that seems to have worked out now after a few weeks!
 
On a practical basis I epoxyed the bare hull to avoid any dry spots. Then sanded and covered the hull in a single piece of 25gram cloth and rolled the resin in. It all stretched and layed flat other than at the very stern so a few wrinkles there. After sanding smooth a second coat of resin was applied and then the temperature dropped!  >:-o
 
But all seems to be well now :-)
 
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #28 on: December 04, 2013, 09:54:11 PM »

Looking forward to more of this build Geoff  :-))

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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2014, 09:48:49 PM »

Ah, the warm fuzzy feeling when seeing a battleship model being created is wonderful. I wish you well in your project and am interested to see the hull started the right way up rather than upsidedown. Another thing to note.

Keep us a breast of your progress:O)
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2014, 08:56:37 PM »

I guess is a bit late to say that I have the hull line of Latorre ex HMS Canada, wich is essentially and enlarged Iron Duke...
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2014, 09:20:04 PM »

So do I. I bought it of the bay a few months back. A superb looking ship.

Ha, If Canada was given 15inch tubes she would have been the most pwerful thing afloat until the Japanese went for 16inch guns in 1916ish.
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2014, 02:54:58 AM »

Our most powerful naval unit ever. Ah, if only it wouldn't have been sold as scrap... ought have been a museum ship.
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2014, 08:39:00 AM »

Technically a multinational one given its original owner so this would have added interest for displays etc. But as you say, she went the way of all our other capital ships of the twentieth century:O(
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2014, 08:42:12 AM »

I make this work in the house ...........  {:-{

Above chairs  :((

Above the carpe  >:-o

I am a dead man!  >>:-(  <*<




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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2014, 08:44:10 AM »

Suppose this should be another thread - BUT - why was Belfast saved and not some of the other more decorated ships? and on that note what other ships are still around british shores from the WWI/II era (I think there used to be one at Brighton in the 90's at the marina).
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2014, 08:53:44 AM »

By the time Belfast stopped active service all the battleships had been scrapped. Perhaps she was in very good condition and thus less of a drain on funds to convert?

How is that Iron Duke going?

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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2014, 08:56:39 AM »

HMS Cavalier (1944) was in Brighton.
Now in the Historic Dockyard Chatham.




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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2014, 12:06:36 PM »

HMS Caroline is in Belfast a cruiser form WW1 and the only ship still in existence form the Battle of Jutland, she is being preserved.
There's a WW1 6" monitor in Portsmouth dockyard.
An A class submarine, HMS Alliance in the submarine museum at Gosport from late WWII
Various harbour defence craft and MTB/MGBs around the country.
We are and have been very poor in preserving our Naval history.
 
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2014, 02:02:05 PM »

We only have RM Huáscar, a XIX century monitor captured to Perú, the Simpson which is an Oberon class submarine from the '60 and a concrete replica of Esmeralda, a wooden corvette sunk by Huáscar in 1879. Too many glorious ship, too few museum ships. Coming back to what reunite us, how is Iron Duke doing this days? It'd be nice to see pictures and an update of the construction :)
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2014, 01:59:26 PM »

Work on Iron Duke has stalled somewhat as I got distracted by some model yachting (please don't shoot me!) but I hope to start work again shortly now the weather has warmed up a little as I can do some more fibreglasing.
 
Also I am pondering whether to cover the whole hull in car body filler and sand back for an ultra smooth finish or accept the fairly good finish I have and start the hull plating and bilge keels.
 
I have a deadline to finish her 31 May 2016 so I need to get on with it!
 
I'll try to get some more pictures up shortly.
 
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2014, 03:38:09 PM »

I have a deadline to finish her 31 May 2016 so I need to get on with it!
Cheers
 
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Battle of jutland date by any chance?
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2014, 03:46:58 PM »

yep, but not by chance  :-)
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #43 on: April 25, 2014, 08:07:51 PM »

So do I. I bought it of the bay a few months back. A superb looking ship.

Ha, If Canada was given 15inch tubes she would have been the most pwerful thing afloat until the Japanese went for 16inch guns in 1916ish.


What about HMS Agincourt?


She had the biggest broadside weight for weight of any vessel when she was built.
14 x 12inch guns, I know that are only 12inch guns but what a broadside!


Unfortunately the Iron Duke class were not strong enough to hold  5 x twin 15inch turrets that's why the QE class only had 4 x twin 15inch turrets and used the space left by the Q turret for extra boiler rooms.


I'll be looking forward to seeing your Duke finished for the Jutland anniversary- it'll be a worthy model to commemorate the 100th anniversary.
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2014, 01:48:32 PM »

...I am pondering whether to cover the whole hull in car body filler and sand back for an ultra smooth finish or accept the fairly good finish I have and start the hull plating and bilge keels.

Geoff, if you went for the ultra-smooth finish (a pile of sanding!) you'd then have a great surface to apply just the "raised" plates.

Here's an aft view of Dreadnought:



The plate lines are very subtle, but undeniably "there". I think, at 1/96th scale, it would be great to show them: you'd expect to see them.

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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2014, 08:48:54 PM »

Deadbeat you forgot to mention the WW1 flower class corvette tied up on the Thames embankment H.M.S. Chrysanthemum, as far as I know she is still there.
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2014, 09:44:18 PM »

That's a great view of Dreadnought. What is the chute thing suspended over the portside of the stern?

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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2014, 11:39:56 PM »

That's a great view of Dreadnought. What is the chute thing suspended over the portside of the stern?

Colin

Looks like a gash shute. Some of them have it internally, you just see a rectangular hole above the waterline.

p.s. I suspect the other pipes exiting Dreadnoughts hull at the stern are toilet & bathroom wastes.
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2014, 06:58:56 PM »

Oh the Agincourt was indeed a phenomeonon but the weight of a 15inch shell is about 2.5times heavier than the 12inch so even though a storm of 12inch shells hitting would be severe, a single 5inch will do serious damage structurally. The German Battlecruisers were lucky not to suffer more at the hands of 5th Battle Squadron. But the Agincourt holds her place rightly in the annals of superb battleship design such, that though foreign comissioned, she was meet to serve alongside her cousins at Jutland.

Re Canada and Iron Duke. It goes to show how an extra inch of bore diameter can add so much associated design and equipment weight that a similar design cannot hold five 15inch gun turrets.
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Re: IRON DUKE 1914
« Reply #49 on: April 28, 2014, 08:28:48 AM »

Actually for the QE class the war college wanted a fast battleship wing for tactical reasond to turn the enemy's van so a min 25 knots was required for this. In the US they had just launched US Texas with 10 14" guns firing a 1500 pound projectile (I was fortunate to go aboard her last month) so a broaside weight of 15,000 pounds. Iron Duke fired the 1,400 shell so broadside weight 14,000 pounds. Canada I think also fired 1,500 pounds. Agincourt 12" shell was 850 x 14 = 11,900 pounds so well below Iron Duke. QE shell weight was 1,920 pounds x 8 =15,360 pounds. The 8 gun layout led to a more logical design and as mentioned more boilers and higher speed withou sacricising armour.
 
They were a special class which is why the subsequent R class were a little smaller but a lot better protected but retained the 8 x 15" guns as broadside weight was deemed sufficient. Also 8 guns made for more logical salvo firing.
 
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