Topic: When is a toy a toy and a model a model (Read 16762 times)

teddyt · « **on:** February 28, 2014, 06:41:36 pm »

having just come to the world of boats and not knowing anyone local to me(Towcester Northants) I have been trolling the shores of ebay. there are a lot of boats for sale, some clearly toys others its hard to tell.

so as per the title when does a toy become something I can take to the local pond, and not be laughed at.... is it purlely size or speed or construction

may seem a stupid question but i really do need help with this
thanks

chris gillespie · « **Reply #1 on:** February 28, 2014, 06:57:29 pm »

The more cheap and plastic and common...the more the laughter

Saying that... i have a rtr ( ready to run out of the box ) st tropez, it is a really good little boat

wee speug · « **Reply #2 on:** February 28, 2014, 07:04:34 pm »

only ignorant people would laugh at someone else's model,....anyone laughing at mine ..had better not stand too close to the edge...and have a towel with them.....

TheLongBuild · « **Reply #3 on:** February 28, 2014, 07:09:03 pm »

They may laugh but so what.. I have seen many toys converted to models, Who would think Lego would make such a good floating boat with some work done to it but I have seen a few good examples, some on here as well, Kettles, Water urns turned into boats.. If it floats its fun.. If it sinks its just as fun, Unless you can not get it back and then it's oops...

Re The Lego Boat, Built by a forum member and his son.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt7iCAi6ZzA&list=UUOC1pccPUvQE1OrX_MHv1cg&feature=c4-overview

Circlip · « **Reply #4 on:** February 28, 2014, 07:27:08 pm »

If you play with it, it's a toy, if it sits under a cover all its life it's a model and on fleebay, if it's made from wood it's Vintage. Haven't worked out on the flee, what other way is there of making a toy/model apart from "Hand built?"

Regards Ian.

sparkey · « **Reply #5 on:** February 28, 2014, 07:45:54 pm »

They are both toys and models,models when we are building them but when we get to play with them at the lake they are our toys,we are all kids really just a bit bigger and greyer, so if you get pleasure from it all the better so go out there with anything that floats and enjoy,Ray.

hammer · « **Reply #6 on:** February 28, 2014, 08:54:02 pm »

If some one represents a boat with paint on canvas its art. Why is a three dimensional representation not?????

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #7 on:** February 28, 2014, 09:02:33 pm »

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If some one represents a boat with paint on canvas its art. Why is a three dimensional representation not?????

That is an excellent point.

Colin

Rottweiler · « **Reply #8 on:** February 28, 2014, 09:25:42 pm »

so why are they called big boys toys? We can call it what we like,and those who take the mickey dont get the fun we do!
Mick F

hmsantrim · « **Reply #9 on:** February 28, 2014, 09:32:29 pm »

Re: When is a toy a toy and a model a model
the price usually has something to do with it and big boys toys can fit that category.
Frank

sparkey · « **Reply #10 on:** February 28, 2014, 09:33:17 pm »

Your right there Mick not only don't they get the fun we do but they don't meet the nice people we do,nothing like a Sunday morning at the lake with all your mates something alway's happens that gets a good laugh out of the lads would not miss it for the world,Ray.

Neil · « **Reply #11 on:** February 28, 2014, 10:08:39 pm »

call mine what you like.....to me they are my BABIES

inertia · « **Reply #12 on:** February 28, 2014, 10:22:25 pm »

In my book 'toys' include in the box everything that you need to play with them, except maybe the batteries. If you have to buy the bits separately then the chances are it's a model.
But suit yourselves anyway!
DM

Peter Fitness · « **Reply #13 on:** February 28, 2014, 10:27:54 pm »

I suppose we could ask the question "Who really cares?"

Peter.

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #14 on:** February 28, 2014, 10:45:57 pm »

I think we should not lose sight of the fact that there is an important point here that is easily overlooked.

A model of something that no longer exists in the real world is by far the best means of conveying just what that original looked like as it is in three dimensions and not two as in a painting or other illustration. Accurate models show not just what the original looked like but provide an insight as to how it worked as well. If you don't have the models then a lot of historical information is in danger of being lost. Many museums have taken their models off display or have simply got rid of them and a great deal is being lost as a result just because they think that 'interactive displays' (which often break down) are the way to maintain visitor interest. Model ships really do give an ideal of 'scale' in relation to the human dimension which paintings can rarely equal.

Colin

derekwarner · « **Reply #15 on:** March 01, 2014, 12:37:43 am »

I understand your comment Colin......."'interactive displays' ~~(which often break down)~~ are the way to maintain visitor interest" according to the administrators of museums etc.......and I am sure these decisions were made after careful reference to many studies & on-line surveys of what people want to see in the museum........

Sadly....the model boating fraternity by % of visitors surveyed just did not rate in their request to keep model vessels in glass cases for all to see...or "the splendour" from our perspective......Derek

magister · « **Reply #16 on:** March 01, 2014, 01:56:00 am »

When we tell the with its a model and not a toy to go play with down at the pond.

Neil · « **Reply #17 on:** March 01, 2014, 08:55:01 am »

Quote from: Peter Fitness on February 28, 2014, 10:27:54 pm

I suppose we could ask the question "Who really cares?"
Peter.

totally agree peter, and that is why I tried to be so "irreverent" about the question in my first answer........who does really care so long as the owner gets pleasure from "playing" with it.

and that's all that counts.

neil

Neil · « **Reply #18 on:** March 01, 2014, 09:06:43 am »

Quote from: Colin Bishop on February 28, 2014, 10:45:57 pm

I think we should not lose sight of the fact that there is an important point here that is easily overlooked.

A model of something that no longer exists in the real world is by far the best means of conveying just what that original looked like as it is in three dimensions and not two as in a painting or other illustration. Accurate models show not just what the original looked like but provide an insight as to how it worked as well. If you don't have the models then a lot of historical information is in danger of being lost. Many museums have taken their models off display or have simply got rid of them and a great deal is being lost as a result just because they think that 'interactive displays' (which often break down) are the way to maintain visitor interest. Model ships really do give an ideal of 'scale' in relation to the human dimension which paintings can rarely equal.

Colin

I don't think anyone has lost sight of anything Colin.. We were all just having a light hearted banter about toys and boys until you started rambling about museums giving away their toys in favour of other toys.............keep in touch with the thread man, and lighten the conversation a little bit before you start philosophising as you often do, loosing the thread and will to live for others, lol

and as Peter and others have said.........who really cares...the lakeside is one thing.......museums and what they do and offer are totally different and on another planet for the rest of us with no bearing on this happy little topic.

magister · « **Reply #19 on:** March 01, 2014, 09:13:08 am »

I agree with what peter and neil says... its to enjoy no matter what you sail..

You get grief from the wife, friends, family and work.. its the only pleasure, stress free that you get.. well unless you are in with the wrong society or club. lol

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #20 on:** March 01, 2014, 10:08:46 am »

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before you start philosophising

Gosh Neil, you flatter me, you really do....

Colin

derekwarner · « **Reply #21 on:** March 01, 2014, 10:10:23 am »

Guys....I don't think the extension to the thread made by Colin was or is inappropriate in the understanding of the original question

Moreover it helps to differentiate between a plastic model purchased ready made.......ready to sail from a box to a model vessel as traditionally considered

It appears too easy to be too dismissive

so could I suggest the old Proverb ......'people in glass houses.........' should apply

Derek

Rottweiler · « **Reply #22 on:** March 01, 2014, 10:22:49 am »

well you lot,I am going to have fun! While you are all sat in front of your computers I am going to take advantage of the fact that there is no rain at the moment,and go down to the lake to play/operate my model/toy boat/ship
Now where is that ruddy battery charger thingy

Mick F

sparkey · « **Reply #23 on:** March 01, 2014, 10:34:55 am »

Well Mick that's the best bit of sense I have heard today enjoy,Ray.

derekwarner · « **Reply #24 on:** March 01, 2014, 10:36:27 am »

rottweiler......

it's pouring cats & dogs here in Wollongong today

...so I have been playing & thinking how to support that 1/8" diameter x 135 mm high brass solid bar piece of my model toy.........

Derek

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