Topic: Nile Gunboat Classes (Read 12978 times)

jtbyte · « **on:** October 04, 2015, 11:16:07 am »

Nile Gunboat Classes

TAMAI class (stern Wheeler)

Abu Klea - Rebuilt at Khartoum 1921; discarded in the '30s.
Tamai - Fate uncertain; poss re-erected on the Red Sea?
El Teb - Renamed HAFIR in 1897; rebuilt 1925. Sunk at 1941.
Metemmeh - Rebuilt 1911 and again 1925; discarded 1952 but still afloat in 1964.

El Zafir class (stern Wheeler)

Zafir - Sank in 1898, but salvaged; Rebuilt 1925; scrapped 1964
Fateh - Rebuilt 1925 as a passenger vessel; scrapped 1953
Nasir - Rebuilt 1915; foundered 1930; salved but scrapped following year

Sultan class (Single Screw)

Sheik - Disarmed 1924 and to Khartoum Yacht Club.
Sultan - Sold 1925 to Dorman; sunk on site.
Melik - Starred in the film 'Four Feathers' in 1938.

ballastanksian · « **Reply #1 on:** October 04, 2015, 04:11:50 pm »

I am sure the NMM would have plans of at least one of the class? That will be an interesting build:O)

jtbyte · « **Reply #2 on:** October 05, 2015, 08:56:31 am »

Yes, you are quite right and the NMM can supply plans for the SULTAN class and the TAMAI class. I have these drawings myself and they are pretty good. There are no hull lines for the SULTAN class but it’s not too difficult to draw these anyway for the purpose of a model. There are examples of other close vessels that can be used to form a set of lines. NMM drawings are: SULTAN Class – Vessel: MELLIK 1897 – Collection: THY/328/005. TANMAI Class – Vessel: TAMAI1884 – Collection: FFA/307/9. If you need further details let me know.

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #3 on:** October 05, 2015, 10:59:26 am »

What is the Post box on the forward upper deck?

TailUK · « **Reply #4 on:** October 05, 2015, 11:17:58 am »

Quote from: Martin [Admin] on October 05, 2015, 10:59:26 am

What is the Post box on the forward upper deck?

I'd hazard a guess that it's an armoured helm position.

derekwarner · « **Reply #5 on:** October 05, 2015, 11:30:17 am »

Not a FWD steerage compartment ......but the armoured powder & projectile magazine just AFT of the gun mount.......

.............Derek

raflaunches · « **Reply #6 on:** October 05, 2015, 11:37:07 am »

No probably it's the armoured conning tower that most British river gunboats had as the battle position for the helmsman. Can't be a magazine as it sits directly above the engine, and there isn't a hoist either.

For further photos I recommend Paul Kemp's book British River Gunboats, full of photos, I think you have to find the black covered binding edition which includes the Melik.

jtbyte · « **Reply #7 on:** October 05, 2015, 11:44:17 am »

The post box is a forward steering position and is shown on the drawings from the NMM. Its given as a conning tower.

jtbyte · « **Reply #8 on:** October 05, 2015, 11:55:39 am »

Below the gun is a rifle proof tower with two internal hatches from below, there is also an entry fwd and starboard.

derekwarner · « **Reply #9 on:** October 05, 2015, 12:09:04 pm »

"Can't be a magazine as it sits directly above the engine".....

no that is the boiler...the engine is far AFT..... Derek.

jtbyte · « **Reply #10 on:** October 05, 2015, 12:39:56 pm »

The drawings don't give any ideal what it is. The plan shows what is given as a Dome, while the profile shows nothing at all. Whatever it is it's shown as being circular but thats about it. As you say it is directly above the boiler. Some sort of protection by the look of it.

tomarack · « **Reply #11 on:** October 06, 2015, 08:05:14 pm »

Hi,
it is very interesting boat, indeed.. here is a Tamai picture
Greetings Tom

tomarack · « **Reply #12 on:** October 06, 2015, 08:38:34 pm »

here is next german quarterwheeler from Nile (?)
Hull shape, simple frame construction made of sheet metal with a flat bottom and rounded chines, such as probably at the last picture.
Probable color scheme with help of Fotoshop.
Tom

ballastanksian · « **Reply #13 on:** October 06, 2015, 09:40:08 pm »

That is quite a neat stern wheeler. That would make an interesting project.

Mad Scientist · « **Reply #14 on:** October 06, 2015, 09:44:32 pm »

Until today, I didn't know there was such a thing as a quarterwheeler. Interesting! - Tom

jtbyte · « **Reply #15 on:** October 06, 2015, 10:16:23 pm »

Thats a very nice model Tom, it would be nice to see a few of these on local lakes. Here is a couple more examples of quarter wheelers for those interested.

jtbyte · « **Reply #16 on:** October 06, 2015, 10:34:22 pm »

Apparently the double stern-wheel gave better steering qualities in these vessels. Vessels with only one stern-wheel often required two or three rudders to steer and even then not very well. This type of arrangement gave better results. Several were built and used on American rivers and the lakes.

TailUK · « **Reply #17 on:** October 07, 2015, 09:50:04 am »

Quote from: jtbyte on October 05, 2015, 12:39:56 pm

The drawings don't give any ideal what it is. The plan shows what is given as a Dome, while the profile shows nothing at all. Whatever it is it's shown as being circular but thats about it. As you say it is directly above the boiler. Some sort of protection by the look of it.

In Africa that steering position must have been as hot as blazes.

tomarack · « **Reply #18 on:** October 07, 2015, 06:51:36 pm »

Hi,
I have a RC model - quarter wheeler Lulonga, each wheel has an independent control (ESC + geared motor) up to 150 rpm.
I drive model only using Throttle (3 canal) and Ailerons through an external Vtail mixer .So I can control forward and backward moving (th) and steering to the left and right(ail) just with one stick.
More infos you can find at www.paddleducks.co.uk,
plans for the model )can be downloaded at the same place too ))

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-GNZ3Qzq1A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr59Ipalx9g
more fotos at >
http://tomarack.rajce.idnes.cz/RC_model_Lulonga/
in this case, but no comments on photos.my model does have a rudder, but compared to control the speed of motors is practically non-functional
Unfortunately, in this case, there are not plans for existing ship
greetings, Tom

ballastanksian · « **Reply #19 on:** October 07, 2015, 09:59:54 pm »

You almost had a captive audience Tomas! Those children were very impressed by your ship. Welcome to the forum, it is good to see yet another part of the vast ship field being modelled and sailed.

tomarack · « **Reply #20 on:** October 07, 2015, 11:11:41 pm »

thanks...
This model attracted me its unusual construction and especially his elevated bow ,suitable to overcome big waves over the bar in estuaries into the sea.
Very interesting steamer, quarterwheeler l´ Adjamé was published in french magazine Modele reduit de bateau (I think in 08/2015)
but... here I met another rarity .John Fitch first steamer.. rowboat..from times when paddlewheel for steamers wasn´t invented yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IAvx_9fhZ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuuOhfdT8yc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz9cwsZYYro

greetings Tom

ballastanksian · « **Reply #21 on:** October 08, 2015, 09:04:34 am »

Well I learnt something new this morning. Thanks Tom.

I can see its negative points such as the frailty of the design for rough seas, but it would have been a spectacle if used on lakes.

TailUK · « **Reply #22 on:** October 08, 2015, 09:27:36 am »

There are a lot of paddler plans available in the download section of the Paddleducks website.

http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php

tomarack · « **Reply #23 on:** October 08, 2015, 04:31:02 pm »

Hi,
What concerns paddleducks , I have here a few articles. Perhaps most interesting is the link
on new constructions paddle wheels.
http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6113.0

paddle propulsion steering complex by SEATECH
« on: October 14, 2012, 08:28:04 AM »
1 > http://wheelships.ru/2 > http://wheelships.ru/index.php/joomla-license
I translated short abstract there.

Other Links relate to the construction of my model Lulonga

http://www.paddleducks.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=6336.15

and somewhere there are plans for my live steam model - "Australian steamer" Ned Kelly

jtbyte · « **Reply #24 on:** October 18, 2015, 12:38:00 pm »

Interesting model Tamarack.

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