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The Greyhounds Revenge - Ready for Sea Trials
« on: May 24, 2016, 09:55:54 pm »

My winter project is finally finished.
Started with a bare-hull - The Lady Margaret - From Kingston Mouldings.

The rest is free-form, no plans, just-for-fun - to see if I could make something
that would work.

Here is the result:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niZpXtbY53c&feature=em-upload_owner



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Jim Pope
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Re: The Greyhounds Revenge - Ready for Sea Trials
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2016, 11:18:00 pm »

Hullo Jim......that's a nice looking steam build  :-))

Thanks for the video, and the associated videos available about your steam plant

It looks to be a combination of Microcosm & PM Research......the engine appear to tick over at very low steam pressure, I recognise the M8 water pump from Jin, how does it perform against the boiler relief valve setting?

The servo chain drive appears to be for the boiler steam isolation valve....is this the case? & does it open OK  if or after the closing? or how do you control the rate of set points?

Why not post some build images here, many would love to read about the construction etc

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Re: The Greyhounds Revenge - Ready for Sea Trials
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2016, 03:38:36 am »

Derek,

You have a keen eye -

Boiler/Burner/Fuel Tank -  Maccsteam - one of his last ones.
Condenser Tank - Custom
Boiler Supply Tanks - Custom
Engine - Microcosm (from Jin)
Feed Pump - Microcosm
Plumbing - PM Research
Fuel Regulator - Forrest Classics - Bix
Pulleys, Chain, Stanchions, Lamps, - RB Models - (Poland)
Prop - Roebesh (sorry if I spelled that wrong)
Driveshaft - Ball bearing - Custom made by Harbour Models
Hull - Custom Colored by Robin and Kingston Mouldings - Lady Margaret
Mahogany, Plywood, Decking - National Balsa
Cannon - Turned on my Lathe,
Cannon Carriage Wheels - Old Gears from Erector Set.
Servo-Morph controls for modified Sail Servo (Sprocket drive) - Action Electronics
The rest - Yankee Ingenuity

I'll put some pics together.

As to my feed valve arrangement, it is an experiment. 
The Boiler holds 1 Liter.  The water tanks are about 200ML each.
So when the water level in the sight glass reaches the bottom 1/3
I close off the by-pass valve, which forces the water over to the
clack valve on the boiler.  Then I just let it run.  I am still experimenting
with pressure levels vs burner time vs RPM's.

Thanks for reading.

Jim Pope
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2016, 05:03:59 am »

Yes Jim........I also term my build as multicultural  {:-{

Scottish, French, German, Chinese, Japanese, English & a bit of OZ blood sweat, swearing & tears {-) ....but in this day and age the Internet it allows us to talk with and deal directly with the manufacturers so to pick & choose what appear to us as the eyes of the crop O0

I am sure you will have found, the vast majority of the members in this model steam manufacturing fraternity are unbelievably helpful both pre & post confirming your Credit Card numbers, however disappointingly, this is not 100%

Looking forward to seeing posted images of your Lady Margaret steam build.................. Derek
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Re: The Greyhounds Revenge - The Build
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2016, 05:18:41 am »

At the urging of a few folks -

Here is a movie of the complete build.

Some of the embedded movies within it are jerky,
but I think you can see how I did everything.

I started the build on New Years Day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhaJrqfzpoY&feature=em-upload_owner#action=share

Enjoy, I did.

Thanks for watching,

Jim Pope
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Re: The Greyhounds Revenge - Ready for Sea Trials
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2016, 05:48:35 am »

Thanks Jim :-))....11:46 minutes does show a lot of stories O0

Two questions...........

1. the balance tube 'on/below' interconnecting the two condensate de-oiler tanks ........did you perceive the necessity to equalise the fluid placement?
2. the temperature deflector plate between the gas tank & the burner body......is this a retro fit?......did you find a cool temperature transfer between the burner body & the gas tank hence requiring the deflector plate?

Happy steaming................. Derek
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Re: The Greyhounds Revenge - Ready for Sea Trials
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2016, 10:11:04 pm »

Derek,

A small misunderstanding - the Two horizontal Tanks are Boiler Feed Tanks (not Condensate).
Each holds 200ML, or 400ML total.  The Chain Driven Valve - when open - offers a path of
"least resistance" and the water circulates. When the valve closes, the water is forced against the
feed-valve into the boiler.

Since the tanks are not pressurized, and the pipe lengths are not equal, I felt that the lower, forward
tubes (pass under the crankshaft right next to the pump), would just help keep everything level.


As to the copper "Heat Transfer Plate" - I wanted to keep the fuel tank warm (or at least warmer than without it)
to keep the pressure constant. This is because it gets cold from the expansion of the gas and the pressure drops.
No measurements to back this up, I just saw it someplace.   Some people route the exhaust piping around the
fuel tank to accomplish the same thing. 

Thanks for the attention to details.

Regards,
Jim Pope
Denver, Colorado USA

PS - Holiday Weekend - and Her first "Sea Trials" coming up.
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Re: The Greyhounds Revenge - Ready for Sea Trials
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2016, 10:12:07 pm »

BTW -

Her Namesakes -

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2016, 11:31:41 pm »

Thanks Jim.....all makes sense as make up water tanks....& that's sure one team of hounds there...how many miles of exercise training do you get per day?...... {-)

Happy steaming on the holiday weekend :-))...... Derek
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Re: The Greyhounds Revenge - Ready for Sea Trials
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2016, 03:43:51 am »

My Lady and I are heavily involved in the "Retired Greyhound Movement"
Our troupe actually just likes a nice sedate walk. And spends a lot of time
just like the bottom picture. 

Anyway -  I'll post the results of the Maiden Voyage Saturday Night.

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Jim
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Re: The Greyhounds Revenge - Maiden Voyage
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2016, 10:24:36 pm »

This is her first outing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZGp8Vmkj5E&feature=em-upload_owner

It became immediately apparent that the weight of the boat required:

MORE STEAM!   WE NEED MORE STEAM!! 

So adjustments are necessary. 
(That's why they call them "Trials")

But at least she did not sink.

More to come,
Thanks for reading,

Jim Pope
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Re: The Greyhounds Revenge - Ready for Sea Trials
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2016, 10:51:29 pm »

Well Jim. %)

The Lady Margaret is not a speed boat & the prop looks to be designed for steam [with the aggressive rake or pitch ratio], but as a relatively inexpensive trial.......maintain the same pitch but increase the prop diameter .....the brand you have chosen is first class :-))

You appear to have ample clearance...... you could near double the diameter...if you were concerned with the prop diameter protruding below the lowest point of the keel, many full sized vintage steam boats incorporated a very generous U shaped piece between the rudder and the hull designed specifically for this purpose..............I see if I can find an image ...........Derek
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2016, 08:46:31 pm »

I agree with Derek, use the largest steam prop that will comfortably fit in the space available. Big props also look beautiful.
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2016, 11:13:54 pm »

An example Jim............................ Derek
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Re: The Greyhounds Revenge - Ready for Sea Trials - Results
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2016, 02:50:21 am »

Thanks for all the advice.

After two days of running - I have a few observations and the plans I am making to correct them.

1. Bigger Prop - Replace the 2" with a 3"
2. reduce load on engine - change the feed pump to a motor driven one - buy a motor - use existing pump
    add a receiver channel switch.  Change plumbing from re-circulating to direct feed.

Oh - and fix the gas leak - had a minor fire.  No damage though.

So - thats why they call them "trials" -

More to come.

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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2016, 03:25:47 am »

Morning Jim....................why do not do incremental engineering revisions %)

1. ...increase the propeller size as you have mentioned
1a...test the new setup

Am thinking that the load presented by the installed waterpump is not that great........you could trial this by simply running the engine with the pump in bypass

Having said all of this, I had one of the same pumps installed as shaft driven, but the orientation needed to be rotated 90 degrees....not a good idea.....as the check valves in the pump must be orientated in the vertical plane  O0

So I now have two of the same pumps 12V electrically driven/helical speed reducer to 70 RPM ........I have also added an outboard S/S sealed ball bearing miniature plumber block to each output shaft.......... Derek

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Re: The Greyhounds Revenge - Ready for Sea Trials
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2016, 03:39:42 am »

I bought a 3" Prop, fits very well in the space.

I also picked up a 145 RPM gearhead motor.
Working on changing the orientation to vertical.

On a trip, so details next weekend.

Thanks for reading,

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Re: The Greyhounds Revenge - Ready for Sea Trials
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2016, 03:37:26 am »

Jim,


Looks great!  Impressive work.  I'd test the speed with the new wheel like Derek suggested and then do the work if needed on the feedpump.


The great thing is she on the water!  On on this side of the pond (and this side of the Mississippi)!


Good luck


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Re: The Greyhounds Revenge - Ready for Sea Trials - Results.
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2016, 05:49:42 pm »

During the last month I have had her on the water
6 times, and have made a number of changes.

1. 3" Prop - Great Scale Speed, nice bow wave.
2. Feed pump - could not produce enough pressure to overcome Boiler pressure.  Pulled it from design.
3. Discovered that the fuel jet was bunged up, the burner was running erratically. Replaced it.

Results:
45 minutes on a single boiler fill, with fuel to spare.
Smooth running, good control.

I'll post a movie the next time she is on the water.

Regards,
Jim
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Re: The Greyhounds Revenge - Ready for Sea Trials
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2016, 03:36:35 am »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU2IdT6299Y

Had a nice day at the park.

Enjoy,
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2016, 10:03:21 am »

Looking good and going great Jim. Can you tell us about the crew - where they came from, how tall they are etc. Thanks, Ian.
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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2016, 03:25:58 am »

The crew of both boats are approx 6" tall for the humans and 2 in tall for the canines.

The Borkum - The Ladye M - her crew was part of the accessories kit for the Borkum from Krick.

The Greyhounds Revenge - the Captain (modeled after my wife) is an action figure from ebay.

The hounds came from ebay finds. 

The rest of the accessories are from doll house companies.

Thanks for reading/watching,

Regards,
Jim Pope
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