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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #50 on: September 12, 2017, 09:20:25 PM »

Hi all
Thinking of going to Blackpool this year will be my first time.Can I just ask the question is Blackpool a much bigger show than Warwick? I only ask because Blackpool for me is a long way.
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Whilst the Blackpool show covers a slightly larger floor area, these are very different shows, so it is a bit like comparing apples & oranges.
Warwick is a great show & has always been a firm favourite of ours. The Blackpool show is more diverse & the town with all its "charms" can make for a great weekend break. Really the best advice I could offer is to come to both shows, I'm sure that you will enjoy them both as there will be loads of different things to see at each one.

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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #51 on: September 13, 2017, 10:59:30 AM »


Never been to Warwick, but can say that the show at Blackpool is a great one and as said, Blackpool itself has some great entertainment for young and older plus some good eating houses and pubs plus shows that are always on.


doubt if Warwick can match such entertainment diversity.


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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #52 on: September 13, 2017, 04:46:45 PM »

Thank you for all your kind replies I'll give it some thought  :-))
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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #53 on: September 13, 2017, 05:40:31 PM »


Thank you for all your kind replies I'll give it some thought  :-))
Mike
Problem with shows like most things, you ask 100 people and you will get 100 different reply's, even from those who go regularly, Blackpool now in its 2 or is it 3rd ? year under New Management is back on an even keel,  I went back last year for the 1st time in 4 years after favouring Warwick, however last year decided to go to BP as will be doing so again this year, Not because it is closer but because it is more diverse, I am not into trucks and tanks but still found the displays interesting and was something different and SWMBO likes the chips from the shop just down the road. :-)

Yes its a long trip, but at the end of the day you will never know what it is really like unless you give the show a visit to make up your own mind.


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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #54 on: September 13, 2017, 06:22:11 PM »

There appears to be some indications of quite a rapid fall off in footfall at shows all over the country over the last year or two. Presumably people getting older or falling off the perch and not being replaced. Also, club stands require a lot of effort to set up and man during the period of a show and some clubs are finding it difficult to do this. Reduction in footfall impacts on trader takings and thus their willingness to attend.

If all the shows try to cling on by their fingertips then there is a very real risk that they will all suddenly go the same way as Coalville and Ellesmere Port and Brighton etc. and we will be left with none!

I rather feel that there needs to be a degree of consolidation in both location and timings to attract the maximum attendance at each one. If people are having to decide whether to go to Warwick or to Blackpool then one of those shows is going to have one less person through the door.

From what I have heard, none of the existing shows are very healthy financially although some are better off than others.

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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #55 on: September 13, 2017, 10:51:21 PM »

Colin - I will also add that, for the likes of us (new to the game and still finding our feet), certain shows are charging the traders a price that is becoming unsustainable, regardless of the visitor attendance. 
At the risk of putting my neck on the block - and this is purely related to us - we find that we get as much 'exposure' at shows such as Haydock and Blackpool as we do at Warwick but at a much more acceptable cost.  My view is that we (Linkspan Models) attend the shows to show what we can do and to chat to potential customers.  If we sell any kits at the show then we are most grateful and look upon that as a bonus.  We are finding that most customers like to see what they are potentially going to get, chat to those that developed the kit and then go away and mull it over for a week or two.  Now, the charges for Haydock and Blackpool we can accommodate..............but Warwick?  To be frank, unless the organisers wake up and seriously think about what they charge us, we are going to have to think very hard about whether it really is cost effective for us.  I would rather put the cost of attending Warwick toward the cost of having a full stand at Dortmund!!!!!
It is a dilemma.....................

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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #56 on: September 13, 2017, 11:02:30 PM »

There appears to be some indications of quite a rapid fall off in footfall at shows all over the country over the last year or two. Presumably people getting older or falling off the perch and not being replaced. Also, club stands require a lot of effort to set up and man during the period of a show and some clubs are finding it difficult to do this. Reduction in footfall impacts on trader takings and thus their willingness to attend.

If all the shows try to cling on by their fingertips then there is a very real risk that they will all suddenly go the same way as Coalville and Ellesmere Port and Brighton etc. and we will be left with none!

I rather feel that there needs to be a degree of consolidation in both location and timings to attract the maximum attendance at each one. If people are having to decide whether to go to Warwick or to Blackpool then one of those shows is going to have one less person through the door.

From what I have heard, none of the existing shows are very healthy financially although some are better off than others.

Colin


Hello Colin
I think you are mixing up the Warwick shows . The Engineering show is the one that Clashes with Blackpool . The model boat show is in November. So no model boats shows clash


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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #57 on: September 13, 2017, 11:12:27 PM »

John,


No I am not mixing them up. It's not a question of there being a direct clash but of two shows being held within two months. Many people will only attend one of them.


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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2017, 10:44:27 AM »

Colin You raise an interesting comparison with Dortmund. This is a very diverse show in terms of the range of modelling on display. Specialist shows seem to have had their day (perhaps with the exception of model railways ).perhaps the Dortmund approach is the way to go.

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« Reply #59 on: September 14, 2017, 11:38:29 AM »

This is an interesting line as to the health or other wise of the specialist model boat show .  Colin  is  absolutely  right in his view of the current situation  and not unsurprisingly as  our European friends at shows such as  Intermodellbau Dortmund are experiencing what could be considered   show fatigue . But ever the optimist   perhaps its time  to ask  ourselves what we as modellers  want from such shows specialist or diverse . After Haydock it was muted to me that the show was a success with the modellers and traders  but the chance of drawing the thousands that once visited the Convention back in the 1990s  a distant dream .  Colin mentioned many of the basic reasons for this change .  Perhaps if we wish these shows  to continue  in their present form  and be financially viable   the old taboo   of asking modellers of clubs displaying  at these event to  chip in  with a small  fee isn't beyond  the pale as it once was.  For example  model boat shows such as Haydock are not just a place to display and purchase modelling bits but it has evolved into a social gathering and a superbly  enjoyable one  in excellent surrounding .  If we  do or say nothing then the decline and eventual  demise  of  the specialist  or even the  more diverse  model   show will become a real prospect.

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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2017, 11:47:10 AM »

Asking clubs to pay to display would kill the shows dead in the water simple. Costs have to be covered for the venue beyond that you are talking about making a profit ,why would club members contribute to another organization or individual making money?
At times the venues leave a great deal to be desired, difficult to get to, poor lighting , disgusting toilets, uneatable food I have been to shows like this and still enjoyed them if the models on display are top quality.
 

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« Reply #61 on: September 14, 2017, 12:13:51 PM »

I fear that the point has been missed. Colin said that people will decide on a show visit regards distance and cost, what he didn't say was most of the people sailing and building are getting on a bit!!! pensions etc, or getting towards that time, costs matter, 2 shows in 2 months follow Colins theme. W e seem to have lost Ellesmere Port which was always the season opener. Stavros and Component Shop have saved Blackpool by diversifying, Warwick is more central to the country, but, with fuel costs etc it is a long haul for a few hours visit. I live in Manchester, Blackpool  is 1 hour away, Ellesmere Port is 1 hour away, Warwick is 2+hours away, Doncaster is 11/2 hours. Colin in a previous post has indicated his reluctance to travel the distance, fair comment, there are not many diehard modelers left that will or can afford to visit long distance shows. They are mostly regional, dont expect too many modelers from out of area eg. Midlands, Northwest, South, Scotland etc, much support is gained from the Isle of Man, but again high costs are involved. Intermodellbau style show, 1 big show for the year??? NEC for the week??? Aircraft, Drones, Cars, Trucks, Boats, Plastic modeling??? the list goes on. SUPPORT who knows.


Thats my hat in the middle tell me what you think!!!!


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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #62 on: September 14, 2017, 01:06:47 PM »

Asking clubs to pay to display would kill the shows dead in the water simple. Costs have to be covered for the venue beyond that you are talking about making a profit ,why would club members contribute to another organization or individual making money?
At times the venues leave a great deal to be desired, difficult to get to, poor lighting , disgusting toilets, uneatable food I have been to shows like this and still enjoyed them if the models on display are top quality.
I very much appreciate what you say but what is the cost of a cup of coffee . The equation is I fear to say quite simple if we fail to address this issue then all of the shows will go and then all we can do is say how nice that show was .
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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #63 on: September 14, 2017, 01:11:30 PM »

I simply don't see asking clubs to foot the bill is the answer.
My prediction for what it's worth is that the first show that tries this will be dead in the water.
Perhaps club open days is the future and we can but dream of the great days out we had in the 80s and 90s

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« Reply #64 on: September 14, 2017, 01:12:29 PM »

Just as a Foot note   Haydock is organized  by members of clubs from the area   for the benefit of modellers and the trade .All of the funds are plowed back into the functioning of the event apart from any donation given to the likes of the RNLI.
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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2017, 01:17:40 PM »

That sounds like a plan for the future to me, perhaps clubs could make a contribution to the said charity.

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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #66 on: September 14, 2017, 01:26:21 PM »

So all that said and done, and getting back to the original show post as this seems to have been hijacked onto a different topic.


Who is going to the Blackpool show then?

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« Reply #67 on: September 14, 2017, 05:15:31 PM »

i will be there with the rawdon club stand.
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« Reply #68 on: September 14, 2017, 05:35:25 PM »

For us living in Jersey it gets quite expensive to get off our rock, so we look for something new to go to. We have done Blackpool 3 times now, Doncaster a couple of times as well as Ellesmere twice also other shows around England.   What swung it for us this year at Blackpool is the fact that there will be other types of models, trucks,tanks etc to have a look at.    As usual it will be- how can we get that back  on the plane?.  But really we regard it as a Jolly Boys Outing, meet up with friends, buy what we can bring back,  and order what we can't.  8 of us are looking forward to a good show.
                                  Regards to all  Jim. :-))
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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #69 on: September 14, 2017, 06:32:49 PM »


Asking clubs to pay to display would kill the shows dead in the water simple. Costs have to be covered for the venue beyond that you are talking about making a profit ,why would club members contribute to another organization or individual making money?


The Model Boat Convention is a non profit making show, we the organisers do not make a penny out of the show.  Any excess money is donated to various charities, over the years this has amounted to quite a considerable sum.
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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #70 on: September 14, 2017, 10:13:17 PM »

I simply don't see asking clubs to foot the bill is the answer.
My prediction for what it's worth is that the first show that tries this will be dead in the water.
Perhaps club open days is the future and we can but dream of the great days out we had in the 80s and 90s


Beale park show did and their long gone. The amount of model and quality drop off very quickly


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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #71 on: September 14, 2017, 10:57:00 PM »

Right then lets get back to the show.


Preparations  this end are on  going,still time for clubs or traders to book in. Make it sooner rather than later as the show guide needs to go to print etc.


As i was reading the prize list out to Mrs Stav...Catherine pips in and comes out with a classic.....Mummy when is Uncle Iain going to bring me some rock !!! So looks line Larry has some competition for the rock prize




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Re: BLACKPOOL MODEL BOAT SHOW 2017 OCT 21/22
« Reply #72 on: September 23, 2017, 06:34:50 PM »

Does anyone know the dates for 2018, in order to book holiday with the GPO ! ( Got to be in by 4th Oct)
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« Reply #74 on: September 24, 2017, 12:23:20 AM »

Does anyone know the dates for 2018, in order to book holiday with the GPO ! ( Got to be in by 4th Oct)
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I will speak to the hotel next week & see what the diary looks like. Last year & this year they had something on every other weekend during October, so there was no choice beyond the weekend we took, I expect it to be similar for 2018
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