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Re: HMS Argonaut - Leander Class Frigate 1/96th
« Reply #150 on: April 05, 2017, 09:17:19 PM »


Did some preparations on the bridge and window panes - as I feel that this is probably the very area where one's eyes will be drawn when looking at a model, and given the various angled surfaces making up Leander bridges, it is critical to get this part absolutely right.


Bizarrely enough I felt that there was something wrong with the proportions between the windows, front of the forward superstructure and the typical 'overhang' containing the windscreen wipers, as drawn in the ship's plans. In my view, most Leander model display an incorrect proportion between the height of the windows in comparison to the overhang directly above, giving a look of 'raised eyebrows', whereas looking at photographs seem to give a more 'frowned' look....


Consequently, in an effort to try and improve, I have redrawn the entire section, basing myself on ship-board photographs and working with dividers and maintaining relative proportions: I arrived at a +/- 10% difference between my sketches and the ship's drawings !


Still, thinking everything through this logic is also partially skewed: any shipboard photograph taken from the forecastle, will be too 'near' the bridge, causing some distortion and making everything look broader than necessary or actual reality.


Not sure if the photographs show this clearly enough, but having completed two separate drawing based on two different sets of photographs, and in turn comparing these against the ship's drawing, I still cannot help the feeling things are still not right, notwithstanding all the maths applied !
This being all about the correct looks, I may compromise and settle for an intermediate solution, and see what results this given on the model.


To be continued !
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Re: HMS Argonaut - Leander Class Frigate 1/96th
« Reply #151 on: April 05, 2017, 09:44:13 PM »

If it is +/- 10 % then that has to be damn near to the desired dimentions taking build materials and finished into account as well.

If you have got the shape and angles modified from studying reference then I reckon you are there. We are all our worst critics and sometimes 'Perfect is the enemy of good enough', or in this case very near. A quote by Krunschev I beleive.

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Re: HMS Argonaut - Leander Class Frigate 1/96th
« Reply #152 on: April 09, 2017, 08:53:16 PM »

Did some more work on the superstructure and used a scrap piece of balsa to assist with the curved front just below the bridge. Careful sanding to the required shape and than started to laminate using 1/2 mm styrene sheet, kept in place with superglue.
Still wasn't quite happy with the plans nor my own reworked drawings for the bridge windows, overhang and dimensions, so basically ended up remeasuring everything on my previous Leander and will take thing from there !


Also managed to make the superstructure making up the helicopter hangar with the aft Seacat director platform, so slowly making headway.....
To Ballastansian's point, quite agree you can't have enough cornerposts and stiffers inside styrene structures, but the end result is a very strong but also very light structure.


Enjoy the pics,
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Re: HMS Argonaut - Leander Class Frigate 1/96th
« Reply #153 on: April 09, 2017, 08:54:44 PM »

Last two photographs - bridge front of my model of HMS Danae
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Re: HMS Argonaut - Leander Class Frigate 1/96th
« Reply #154 on: April 09, 2017, 09:44:53 PM »

Nice work there Eric - your superstructure looks very well braced, should withstand a bit of rough handling.

Regards,

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Re: HMS Argonaut - Leander Class Frigate 1/96th
« Reply #155 on: April 11, 2017, 04:30:11 PM »

Thanks chaps, always encouraging to hear words of support and advise.


I am trying to consider my next step now, temporarily suspend work on the superstructure and try and get the remainder of the deck in place. That will allow a major quantum leap forward, as I can then also round off the deck edges along the remainder of the hull, following which I can paint the hull grey and add the boot topping. With that out of the way, the hull will formally be completed and can then focus entirely on the superstructure and all  the detailing.
Taking that intention to the next phase, I really need to get round to detailing the Limbo and VDS wells, and also make provisions for the engine support plates, before fixing the decks in place.


So, in chronological order I see then next steps:
- pain insides of Limbo + VDS
- add as many details as possible whilst still bearing in mind I will risk damaging same when furthering the rest of the deck
- enjoy maximum access into the hull for as long as necessary and possible fitting the motors and servoes beforehand
- glue deck in place
- round off deck edges
- add styrene deck + bollards + fairleads
- add ship's name to stern sides
- add pennant number and draught marks
- sign off hull from builders
- keep call and carry on with the rest of the model (another year ?)


As a first practical step I have begun scouting for a can of the correct deck colour, and whilst I have found all the references in terms of correct colour & BS codes etc..., I appear to have hit a bump in the road in terms of finding a supplier capable of supplying the required colours ! I always used to buy my tins from White Ensign models but they no longer appear to be selling any paints (correct ?), does anyone know whether this is indeed the case and whether there are any other suppliers out there capable of delivering the usual small quantities needed for modelling purposes ?


Thanks for any help


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Re: HMS Argonaut - Leander Class Frigate 1/96th
« Reply #157 on: April 11, 2017, 08:35:23 PM »

White Ensign (The paints at least) were taken on by another company. I am now going to be wholly useless and admit not remembering who took them on  >>:-(

Here we go. A quick look on t'internet found this link to Sovereign hobbies: https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/collections/white-ensign-models

I hope this helps.
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Re: HMS Argonaut - Leander Class Frigate 1/96th
« Reply #158 on: April 13, 2017, 03:34:30 PM »

Thanks for that painting advice chaps, very very useful and getting me out of a pickle. Results will be shown as soon as the paint has dried !
Brilliant, upwards and onwards !


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Re: HMS Argonaut - Leander Class Frigate 1/96th
« Reply #159 on: April 16, 2017, 09:48:04 PM »

Some more work today, visible progress is slow but did put in a lot of minor tasks which are all contributing:


- added putty to the various angles and joints along the superstructure
- cut out the first of the bridge windows and glued them into place, carefully getting the angles right
- laminated the bridge 'cap', using 3 parts of 1 mm ply glued together - this is still to be rounded off
- put the angled front panels to the superstructure front
- bent the first of the bridge wings in place using litho plate - first used a balsa former to get the shape correct, took me  few attempts
- finally, constructed the funnel support structure, also by means of stretching a strip of litho plate over a balsa former


Finally, needed to deal with a rather hairy-looking spider in the workshop.... <*<


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Re: HMS Argonaut - Leander Class Frigate 1/96th
« Reply #160 on: April 18, 2017, 03:15:06 PM »

Some further work on the bridge structure, and could not resist a mock-up using the parts already assembled !  %%


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Re: HMS Argonaut - Leander Class Frigate 1/96th
« Reply #161 on: April 21, 2017, 03:23:29 PM »

Gents,


I was wondering if anyone on the forum might be able to help with some research and an area I am struggling to find good photographs of is the signalling deck, around the main mast and behind the bulwark containing the Aldis lights etc....


- it is unclear whether there is a passageway at the rear end, cutting through the bulwark in between the 2 main search:signalling light, and leading onto the funnel-carrying structure - does anybody know ?


- also, I could do with some photographs showing fittings & equipment on the inside of the bulwark, as well as the configuration of the area around the Aldis light - two appear to be on some form of raised platform, and there are also director sights just in front thereof: anyone with snapshots ?


Thanks a million for any help that could be supplied, most appreciated.


Meanwhile, I am steadily progressing the forward superstructure and will be posting photographs at the end of the weekend.


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Re: HMS Argonaut - Leander Class Frigate 1/96th
« Reply #163 on: April 23, 2017, 07:30:44 PM »

Finished the two masts and did some work on the emergency steering platform - have been experimenting with a composite construction using lithoplate and styrene, especially for curved angles. Still debating the pros and cons of each material, find styrene slightly easier to work with when cutting out spaces and to glue together with a simple brush stroke, but lithoplate is quite light and have the impression it creates a 'sharper' look. The main drawback I think is the need for superglue, always a little messier...so the verdict is still out, but intend to continue to use both as the building progresses.
Overall quite pleased with progress over the weekend, maanged to put in more work than I expected !
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Re: HMS Argonaut - Leander Class Frigate 1/96th
« Reply #164 on: April 23, 2017, 07:32:48 PM »

Some more {-)
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Re: HMS Argonaut - Leander Class Frigate 1/96th
« Reply #165 on: Yesterday at 03:03:20 PM »

I watched a video on Youtube of a Leander in service (Recruitment film I recall) and it reminded me of your model, so you are getting the right results.

I like the idea of Litho plate but am always worried about it pining off if accidently hit/ knocked with the resulting need to repair neatly. Perhaps this is the better option to trying to unbend thin brass or repair snapped plastic. All have their pros and cons. You can get Aluminium solders but beleive they are expensive due to Aluminium being tricksy to join.

Lovely work  :-))
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