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[petesubman]

This is the next semi scale flat botom build based on the Radiguet tinplate dreadnought  Andre, the Borodino build has taught me so much about this type of model, i have two pictures to work from , her length is 47 inches beam 15 inches at the centre of the hull as per the original which was powered by a petrol engine , my version will use a steam plant, this model has been about a year on and off ,and with borodino virtually complete  , i have some spare time.
A pic of the hull frames stood and screwed temporarily,  boiler and engine, rear frames and false deck and one of four large
gun mounts attached to the outer hull, regzrds Pete

[petesubman]

Here is a pic of her, think she was sold as part of the forbes collection, Pete

[timg]

Wow Pete
That will look very menacing on the pond
Good luck with the build








Spud

[petesubman]

Thanks Spud,  im going to plank the upper hull from the  water line, dont think this will be a  quick build , regards Pete

[ballastanksian]

Oh good, another Ninteenth century behemoth build to folllow over the winter months. Your framework and sponson looks good Pete.

[petesubman]

Thanks Ian, it may be better than some of the tv , still not sure how proceed with cladding the hull,  from the hull bottom to the waterline is 90mm birch light ply strip, so its either planking or card, will have to experiment, regards Pete

[petesubman]

A little more work done on the Andre , hull waterline strip in place, forward sponson upper in the correct position, have decided to plank the upper hull instead of card. The card looked to angular, regards Pete

[ballastanksian]

I see how you are doing the ends now. Rebating the ends of the planks will save you hours of fun.

[petesubman]

Had a change of mind and decided to clad the hull in card board , thats as far as i go till after christmas, also put a mikasa bare hull together with the ply sheet i had left over , couple of pics of the hull clcdding so far, regards Pete

[ballastanksian]

I salute you Pete for the sheer volume of shipping you are building! I cannot get my head around the fact the hull is not upside down, the tumblehome is so extreme! Looking forward to seeing her and a few sisters in 2017.

[derekwarner]

A Google search on Borodino Class reveals a few images ......

A full section of what appears to be her shell/projectile for her '6 × 2 - 6 inches' (152 mm) gunshandling system.... [assumed six sets of twin 6" mounts]


Must admit, I had never seen such hull design in a relatively modern build.......Derek
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Courtesy WIKI.....

Builders: Baltic Works, Saint Petersburg
New Admiralty Shipyard, Saint Petersburg
 
Operators:  Imperial Russian Navy
 Imperial Japanese Navy
 
Preceded by: Tsesarevich
Succeeded by: Evstafi class
Built: 1899–1905
In service: 1904–1922
In commission: 1904–1922

[raflaunches]

Wouldn't say it was modern!- It was all the standard for Russian and French warships about 110-115 years ago! Good sea boats terrible as warships- too much area to armour, British warships of the time sat lower in water which helped with protection from plunging side glances from shells.

[Geoff]

Tumblehome was actually primarily a weight saving method. The actual deck area was reduced. The concept was such ships with high free-board would be seaworthy. The waterline was protected with a shallow very thick belt with a protected deck above it. Turrets and the like sat on armoured tubes. In practice it didn't work too well as ships were invariably heavier than designed so the belt was more immersed so the lightly protected side was very much prone to flooding and the free water effect would cause a capsize. The tumblehome was also to produce a stronger hull. Think of an egg and how strong the shell is to crush damage. British ships of the same period did not have a significant amount of tumblehome albeit some for hull strength. They also had thinner armour over a larger area to protect the waterplane. Tuishima speaks for itself!  Cheers Geoff

[Klunk]

Isnt this the ship that wss in monoplly sets????

[petesubman]

Thats right klunk , i call borodino the ss monopoly when shes on the water, regards Pete

[tghsmith]

this was a time of tech advancing faster than construction, ship were often nearly obsolete when launched,, Tuishima was a real world test of methods, the armour didn't fail the bolts holding it in place did..one German battleship was up-armoured and up-gunned during construction so much that she had so little free board at launching.. many of these ships may have had longer lives but this was also the period of change from piston steam plants to turbine, from coal to oil fired..The US navy used tumble home in many of their crusiers and flat iron hulls in battleships, not saying they new what was best, they still built a ram.. tumble home is back on the most advanced warships, but now for a new reason,, radar stealth.. 

[timg]

Hi Pete, 
The hull is covering quickly,  will you be lining the inside to protect it from the heat?
What colour will the hull above the water line ?


Good luck with the build


Spud

[petesubman]

Hi Spud , will resin inside the hull ,ive hung on to some biscuit tins to make up the inner heat shield , as for the paint scheme i was looking at a dark battleship grey or the anthracite and buff  colour scheme, regards Pete

[ballastanksian]

Hooray for Christmas and the biccy tins:O) Either colour scheme will look good though the Ninteenth century spit and polish would look more impressive.