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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #150 on: April 03, 2017, 10:49:19 PM »

Coming on very nice  :-))
Thanks for your support  :-))
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #151 on: April 03, 2017, 10:58:42 PM »

As I said I'd like to build Brackengarth. FX-T looks good to but I do begrudge playing all that money for it as I work with fibreglass and know the cost of the material content !!
Yes I understand you've got to produce the plug then the mould etc but still seems a lot of money for a bit of fibreglass  {:-{
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #152 on: April 03, 2017, 11:02:10 PM »

As I said I'd like to build Brackongarth (think that's how you spell it) FX-T looks good to but I do begrudge playing all that money for it as I work with fibreglass and know the cost of the material content !!
Yes I understand you've got to produce the plug then the mould etc but still seems a lot of money for a bit of fibreglass  {:-{


Honestly if I made a plug I would want a decent profit. It's not just the material cost but the time using it to produce the end product and satisfy the tax man. To me the price is fine but the quality needs to be strict!
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #153 on: April 03, 2017, 11:11:12 PM »

Yes I agree all got to make a profit mybe I'm a bit behind the times my first boat was 16' long the hull and fibreglass ringdeck was 900 and I made a good living in that boat  :-)) .Now it cost 450 for a model hull !! Saying that went in a model railway shop yesterday DEAR ME %% %% that's not a cheap hobby.
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #154 on: April 03, 2017, 11:17:53 PM »

Yes I agree all got to make a profit mybe I'm a bit behind the times my first boat was 16' long the hull and fibreglass ringdeck was 900 and I made a good living in that boat  :-)) .Now it cost 450 for a model hull !! Saying that went in a model railway shop yesterday DEAR ME %% %% that's not a cheap hobby.


Brackengarth hull is a mere 124.10p
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #155 on: April 03, 2017, 11:24:16 PM »

I'd love to do a BIG tug but I realise I could not get it up and down the stairs. Also I'd like a few under 1 metre rather than something I can't lift, I'm no weakling but I'm near 60 and the next ten years I'm sure will go by in a blink
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #156 on: April 03, 2017, 11:26:13 PM »

Yes that's not so bad for the size.It was the FX-T hull I felt was a bit on the pricey side,and agree with yourself I like to see  laminating done nicely not hard if you do it for a living  {:-{ .Anyway really enjoying following your build.
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #157 on: April 03, 2017, 11:29:28 PM »

Yes that's not so bad for the size.It was the FX-T hull I felt was a bit on the pricey side,and agree with yourself I like to see  laminating done nicely not hard if you do it for a living  {:-{ .Anyway really enjoying following your build.
So am I thanks  {-)
I just looked back to post 1 and its less than 3 weeks ago! I think it's moving along nicely  :-)
I've just given notice at work that I'm having the rest of the week off to catch up with jobs at home so hopefully will get more done between chores.

I've just been looking at online pictures and the waterline is much higher than the MMM plans and runs right through the middle of the anchor ports. Also no pictures actually show the Portgarth with anchors fitted {-) . Presumably no neeeeeeeeed

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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #158 on: April 03, 2017, 11:35:19 PM »

Ports x 2 Anchors nil
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #159 on: April 04, 2017, 08:06:48 AM »

Based on photos rather than MMM plan I'm proposing a line here.
Comments welcomed  :-))
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #160 on: April 04, 2017, 08:19:59 AM »

Is that a laser level I've spotted to do the water line ?  :-)) Be careful going around the stern quarters.Reason being the laser will give you a level line but because the hull is diving away you'll have to  raise the tape upwards to make the waterline look straight  an optical illusion.
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« Reply #161 on: April 04, 2017, 08:27:42 AM »

It's exactly the same as it would be using a block and pen or pan flat water. Level is level.
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #162 on: April 04, 2017, 08:35:15 AM »

See better now stern doesn't go in under to much.You try the level method on say a J class yacht and then tell me if it looks right  O0  level isn't always level on a boat!! If it looks right it is right even if a level etc says different.
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #163 on: April 04, 2017, 08:38:50 AM »

I know what you're saying but the laser will do exactly the same
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #164 on: April 04, 2017, 08:43:32 AM »

Ok.Your line might be level but by eye it will be running down hill trust me I build boats for a living as I say a optical illusion
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #165 on: April 04, 2017, 08:45:18 AM »

Aye it's not called a waterline for nothing  :-)
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #166 on: April 04, 2017, 08:53:48 AM »

 %) %) %)  Ok you win !!! Give up
Or you could try a chaps method I seen once he antifouled his boat no masking tape paint was up and down like the Himalayas was to match the wave action he told me  {-)
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #167 on: April 04, 2017, 12:25:26 PM »

Gents........technology, & laser imagining are all fine

However we must not forget the age old Laws of Perspective in Dimensioning Returns 

The laser referencing will provide a 100% line in terms of accuracy :-)), in our referenced 2D perspective, however if the model vessel is laying 2.4 degrees off axis to stdb by the stern when the line is shot  ............well you can guess the answer when the hull meets the water

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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #168 on: April 04, 2017, 12:28:08 PM »

Yes it's only used as a reference
I was asking for opinion of where I had put it
It will of course be marked when level in all directions on a flat surface with a block & pen
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #169 on: April 04, 2017, 05:28:55 PM »

Hi,
   If you have a bath put everything in the hull (batteries,motors,electrics etc) throw some talcum powder onto the water surface and spread it put the hull in and let it settle there's you waterline. Don't forget its your boat not the rivet counters. Good luck.
           Cheers, Pete.
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #170 on: April 04, 2017, 07:06:07 PM »

Thanks Pete


Brian's method is off to a good start but I opted for 15 minute poxy  O0  chicken


Once set the excess styrene trims off ok to make the P38 easier to apply.




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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #171 on: April 04, 2017, 07:37:23 PM »

Today I've also had a tidy up and expanded my tubular wood stock storage  8)

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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #172 on: April 04, 2017, 08:58:18 PM »

Like the wood storage idea  :-))
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #173 on: April 04, 2017, 10:45:16 PM »

Hi,
   If you have a bath put everything in the hull (batteries,motors,electrics etc) throw some talcum powder onto the water surface and spread it put the hull in and let it settle there's you waterline. Don't forget its your boat not the rivet counters. Good luck.
           Cheers, Pete.


Not quite what I had in mind Pete.
The norm is to establish where the water line should be by design and then ballast or fit it out so its either on the line or above. So long as the line isn't under water  {-)
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #174 on: April 04, 2017, 10:48:57 PM »

Some P38 application in the morning as soon as the wife leaves  O0


Then to model shop for their entire stock of glue brushes and some more luverly wood  :-)
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