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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #625 on: September 09, 2017, 08:24:07 PM »


I need a smaller diameter bumper for the stern. Is this for real 10.75 for ONE meter  ;D  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Neoprene-Sponge-Foam-Black-Cord-Closed-Cell-Rubber-15-0mm-O-D-/253082901747?var=&hash=item0


For sale 650mm of the above 7  :-))
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #626 on: September 09, 2017, 09:18:38 PM »

Had to stop work for Strictly  {-)


Two pieces to make & fit but all in all with the Bow etc a good days effort.






Worked well. I can cut away all the shelf back to the alignment strips which will give great unobscured viewing from above or below


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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #627 on: September 09, 2017, 09:35:43 PM »

Am I doing enough pictures? more or fewer?
If anyone wants any particular views to aid their own build just say and if you can offer me any help please do  :-))
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #628 on: September 09, 2017, 09:49:55 PM »

More the merrier Andy, an impressive build so far just hope mine turns out nearly as good as yours. Keep up the good work..... :-))


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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #629 on: September 09, 2017, 10:16:05 PM »

Cheers Stewart  :-))
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #630 on: September 09, 2017, 10:38:42 PM »

A little tip regarding this FUSION adhesive
I discovered that it also sticks to paint and can be very useful if applied carefully
In too much quantity it will take paint off  {-)
While using fusion it thickens progressively so you have to gauge what consistency you want and when.
For example if just filling cracks apply with a fine brush whilst still very fluid
For big grab jobs wait until it's a bit more gloopy
Sets in 15 to 20 mins
Looks expensive but it goes a long way
Deansmarine are the cheapest  :-))


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So far I've only worked in mixes of 2.5ml which is plenty
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #631 on: September 10, 2017, 07:20:27 PM »

This afternoon I ground off the MMM port side rubbing strakes and made good again with 15min epoxy. Once I get all the styrene attached to the outside of the hull I can start painting!!



Quite pleased with the wheelhouse






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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #632 on: September 12, 2017, 05:57:31 PM »

Just the stern fender shelves left to do.


Some trial dry fitting and bonding.


















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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #633 on: September 12, 2017, 06:01:12 PM »

It's a pleasure to follow this build, your attention to detail is amazing!
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #634 on: September 12, 2017, 06:21:40 PM »

Looking brilliant  :-)) 
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #635 on: September 12, 2017, 08:00:53 PM »

I like the fenders Andy, you have become almost obsessive with these but they look the business  :-))

Re windows, Rule one, do not use superglue to stick them in place because it fogs the 'glass' and its removal innevitably causes scratches, or the bloomin 'glass' to come adrift leaving you with a square one situation. Uhu like glues likewise risk stringiness on the 'glass' and some corrosion if the 'glass' is styrene based (unlikey but worth thinking about).

Aviation modellers have various canopy glues available from the likes of Revel or Airfix/Humbrol (I think) that do not fog or string and so are more useful.

'Glass' can be bought in sheets as acetate or similar from good model shops. You can use a variety of re-purposed materials including 1.CD cases, 2. blister packaging, 3. Christmas card/ gift presentation box lids, 4. Perspex offcuts, 5. Acetate sheet from stationers, 6. Pouring your own windows using acrylic resin onto a glass base having made your own walls.

The first and forth suggestions are thicker and need to be cut with care so as not to melt or splinter but would be less wibbly. The rest are to varying degrees less liable to corrosion from glues but are more flexible, and so unless cut accurately or fitted into frames* might bow and look squiffy.

Fitting them can be done as individual pieces cut exactly to shape and bonded in with suitable adhesive, they can be fitted inside the superstructure and glued to the inner face of the wall, they can be laminated between an inner and outer wall skins, they can be fitted behind a frame* set into each apeture once paintng has been done and then an inner frame pre painted can be glued in place.

I have read lots and used one or two techniques in non model boat projects before including the poured resin technique in which I created Tudor style diamond pane windows by puring resin over rabbit hutch mech set diagonally 'back in't day' at college.

As ever, I doff my cap to my fellow members who will doubtless have many more ideas and tips all of which makes this place a Gold mine for Model making.
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #636 on: September 12, 2017, 08:30:09 PM »

Enjoying your build. very informative so - regarding pictures the more the merrier.
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #637 on: September 13, 2017, 07:07:48 AM »

Thank you all  :-))


Thank you Ian for that contribution  :-))
I was looking for an easy way  {-)  but I don't think thats going to happen unfortunately and there are so blummin many!


This was my first attempt earlier this week as advised by a club mate
This involved one strip of styrene joined at one side and another strip inside that with the joint at the opposite side. This looks ok but was incredibly fiddly given that the wheelhouse is built and not flat on a bench.



I'm going to try thicker styrene in just one layer next.


Today is masking and sanding (hull) ready for primer tomorrow hopefully, and if the foam for the stern fender arrives I will try get the shelves done.,
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #638 on: September 13, 2017, 10:48:59 AM »

When I made my 54" Hendon I used brass strip for thr window frames ,I found it easier to use than Styrene as it stays bent and doesn't try to spring out all over the place.
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #639 on: September 13, 2017, 10:50:57 AM »

Very nice  :-))
That's worth a try thanks
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #640 on: September 13, 2017, 02:19:52 PM »

Sky cleared and Sunshine.
I've used plastic primer first the red oxide acrylic. Deck will be fine sanded and matt clear lacquer.
Outside hull will be grey primer before royal blue.
Lots of fine filling tomorrow before final primer.
Stern can wait and be masked around later.
So I should have a finished deck by Friday  :-))




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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #641 on: September 13, 2017, 09:39:28 PM »

The brass idea is great. If you can make formers the shape of the window apetures minus the thickness of the brass, you can form them round these and then slip them into the openings.
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #642 on: September 13, 2017, 10:25:55 PM »

Yes that is exactly how I did it , as the Windows were quite small, it may be easier with bigger windows.
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #643 on: September 14, 2017, 08:40:58 AM »

For those other fellow Builders in case you haven't sussed? Easy access to all photographs via this link https://techno.smugmug.com
So far we are on album 3 regarding the build but there are other portgarth pictures also. :-))


Thank you to those who provided real life pictures
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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #644 on: September 14, 2017, 09:12:13 AM »

Always nice when first coat of paint goes on, your hard work and attention to detail is paying off........


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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #645 on: September 14, 2017, 01:11:12 PM »

Yes indeed Stewart  :-))
After lots of filling and sanding I'm at the final primer. Matt Lacquer tomorrow then mask up for Royal blue .
How lucky I am with the weather.
I'm really looking forwards to bolting those hatches down  :-)



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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #646 on: September 14, 2017, 02:56:44 PM »

Hi Andy looking good,as Brother George tugmad said it is easier with the brass frames than plastic ones.
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Re: MMM Portgarth build PORTGARTH Logos
« Reply #647 on: September 14, 2017, 04:59:03 PM »

Thanks John I'll be giving it a go for sure :-))


Re  title PORTGARTH logos
I've just bought some bespoke pre spaced letter sets


4x @ 12mm high and 4x @ 9mm high plus 2x BRISTOL @ 9mm high. I've been invoiced 5.50 delivered.
If anyone likes them when I've tried them and lacquered over just let me know and I'll direct you.


I bought twice the required number to allow for cock ups  {-)


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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #648 on: September 14, 2017, 05:10:03 PM »

Hi.
I don't know how far you have proceeded with the Portgarth, I have only just found your review. I made this model about 4 years ago and was fortunate enough to go on-board twice and had a trip around Swansea Docks. She does not have a bow thruster but will spin in her own length if a mixer is used to link rudder with motors. I took a load of photos, there were not restrictions on where I could go. These enabled me to modify a lot of the supplied white metal parts to near scale and detail the wheelhouse. All lights were made working. I still have the photos but the model has been sold. Good luck and enjoy the model.

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Re: MMM Portgarth build
« Reply #649 on: September 14, 2017, 05:12:52 PM »

Thank you
Yes we know it doesn't have a bow thruster but those who use their model to tow fit one anyway.
I have twin 3000rpm high torque motors and mixer steering  :-))


Any pictures most gratefully received  :-)) :-))


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