Topic: Old kit identity (Read 6263 times)

malcolmfrary · « **on:** June 29, 2017, 04:09:10 pm »

My club has been given a part finished trawler kit. Has anybody any idea which it might be? Looking for trawler kits on 'tinterweb you might think that the Nordkap was the only one, but it isn't that one.
Plank on frame, 77cm long, 16.5cm beam. It has been in a box in an attic for the past 12 years since the builder died, so regrettably, no paperwork with it.

Netleyned · « **Reply #1 on:** June 29, 2017, 06:18:03 pm »

It looks like a 60's/70's sidewinder distant waters
Vessel.
Are you sure it was a kit ?
Could it be a model of one of Boston's
Fleetwood ships.
I can't find any reference to a POF model
kit of that ilk.

Ned

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #2 on:** June 29, 2017, 06:39:44 pm »

Obviously very incomplete but it does resemble the old Veron Trident Trawler.

Colin

BFSMP · « **Reply #3 on:** June 29, 2017, 08:16:55 pm »

looks more like the New Maquettes Le Marignon but even that has the wrong shaped wheelhouse and stern.............but the build up of the funnel definitely looks "kit" build to me.

but what ever, a very nice looking model.

JIM WORNER · « **Reply #4 on:** June 29, 2017, 11:20:04 pm »

I think not the Veron trawler as that had a "Spindle molded" balsa block hull.
Cheers Jim

Colin Bishop · « **Reply #5 on:** June 29, 2017, 11:37:19 pm »

Yes, that's true Jim. If this is a kit it is relatively sophisticated. Are we certain that it is in fact a kit?

Colin

BFSMP · « **Reply #6 on:** June 30, 2017, 12:33:04 am »

Quote from: Colin Bishop on June 29, 2017, 11:37:19 pm

Yes, that's true Jim. If this is a kit it is relatively sophisticated. Are we certain that it is in fact a kit?

Colin

from the printed ply fore deck and fo'csle deck it would suggest so.

John W E · « **Reply #7 on:** June 30, 2017, 07:57:40 am »

could it be built from the Jim Pottinger plan? for the diesel trawler Navena it looks very much similar - but, if its a kit, it should have some markings on the inside of the frames and that will tell straight away if the superstructure is lifted off and quick inspection inside. There should be some part numbers around on the timber. Don't hold me to this

too early in the morning for brain working

I have also seen some extremely well drawn deck on plywood - we could be convinced it was manufactured on a machine..

John

malcolmfrary · « **Reply #8 on:** June 30, 2017, 09:57:30 am »

Thanks guys.
From the opinions so far, I am now guessing that it was a Marr boat, but there are differences in the superstructure (not symmetrical port/starboard) from the Navena on the plan shown, so at the moment Moretto FD245 is about the nearest. Even then, the fo'c'sle looks a bit different, but this could be the result of the paint job in the original pictures or on the model or the result of a bit of licence. Then again, Marr boats had a yellow hull, this has had one side painted black.
I was offered two boats, one a Carlson tug, which is in ARTR form, and the trawler. I am assuming that the one was to get on the water quickly, the other a long term project. Sadly, too long. Both were said to be kits, but this might not be accurate given that I have not yet spotted any markings on the frames. Sadly, no plans left in the box that they came in, so no clues other than that they date from before twelve years ago, and the builder had been a member of Heywood club and moved to Thornton.

malcolmfrary · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2017, 05:43:33 pm »

OTOH, I found this - http://gb.trapletshop.com/magm2022-navena-plan
and this - http://www.fleetwood-fishing-industry.co.uk/2016/09/24/m-t-navena-2-fd172/
The model isn't quite the right size according to the plan scale and the information on the Fleetwood fishing site page, and gauging the scale from the model length doesn't work out at any common scale, but I have to think that it is a step nearer. A picture taken from above in the Fleetwood site looks like the superstructure is not symmetrical.

malcolmfrary · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2017, 10:27:19 pm »

People have had a look and a think and nobody is sure. But - almost certainly not a kit due to the lack of any numbering on any parts. The deck is not printed, but planked over sheet with individual planks.
A close relative of the Navena, but not according to the plan since it was single sided - gallows only on the starboard side on the model. The Maretta FD245 looks nearer, but doesn't quite scale to the dimensions I find on the web. Which have a 50-50 chance of not being right.
Gavina scales to about 1:50, but the only port side picture shows gallows on that side.
Still open for suggestions, preferably with a link to a picture.

BFSMP · « **Reply #11 on:** July 12, 2017, 10:54:22 pm »

what ever it is, or maybe represents, it is a very nicely built model, at 1;48 / 1;50 scale.

Jim.

Martin (Admin) · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2017, 08:29:59 pm »

For Reference: New Maquettes Le Marignan

Scale 1:33.
Length 900mm
Width 210mm

Netleyned · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2017, 08:39:23 pm »

The aft superstructure is quite
different to the la Marignan

Ned

malcolmfrary · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2017, 08:46:20 pm »

Close in many ways, but - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Tdp6RSebs - shows the port side and the stern. The model has an asymmetric superstructure, no port side gallows and a transom stern. Chunks of it look very close, though, possibly because both are of the same period and for the same job.
The other thing that partly convinces me that it isn't a kit is the bag of fittings from various sources. I would have expected a single source, but it isn't really a foregone conclusion.

John W E · « **Reply #15 on:** July 18, 2017, 11:35:44 am »

Hi this may be it
ROSS HERON
from the plans by E.N Wilson
http://trawlerphotos.co.uk/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=179647&title=ross-genet-gy650&cat=1203
john

malcolmfrary · « **Reply #16 on:** July 18, 2017, 01:23:45 pm »

Apart from some very minor differences in the build of the front of the bridge, and a difference in the funnel/ back of bridge area, everything seems to fit. The differences could easily be accounted for by the squared corners of the bridge on the model being much easier to make than curved corners in the drawing. If not the Ross Heron, maybe one of the other "birdies", or at a later time in its history. The scale works out at near enough 1:50, (not quite, but that could be my measuring) so, unless someone knows better, I think we have a winner.
Many thanks for looking in places that I didn't, Bluebird.
All that I need to do now is find somebody in my club willing to take it on. Failing that, it will make an appearance on the Blackpool show bring & buy, with any proceeds from it to go as an RNLI donation. Hopefully it will find a good home.

tsenecal · « **Reply #17 on:** July 18, 2017, 03:08:54 pm »

billing boats nordkap?

malcolmfrary · « **Reply #18 on:** July 18, 2017, 09:45:03 pm »

Nordkap was the first thought, but was rejected almost immediately, mostly because of the different size and shape. Bluebird's Ross Heron is so close to size, shape and superstructure configuration that it almost has to be it. It has the transom stern and the same forecastle step and is a single sided sidewinder.
Ross had a series of similar looking ships named for various birds. If they came from different builders, or were done over a time period, there might well have been detail differences, quite apart from the modeler possibly using a bit of license. The proportions are right, and work out to a "proper" scale.

malcolmfrary · « **Reply #19 on:** October 26, 2017, 10:10:40 am »

Well, nobody in my club wanted to take it on, so, as promised, it went on the bring n buy at the Blackpool show. I believe it went to a gentleman from Scotland, and raised £80 for the RNLI. Hopefully, one day, we will see pictures of it completed and sailing.
Thanks again to Bluebird for his help in identifying it.

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