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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #425 on: August 04, 2018, 11:18:50 pm »

I just love the way the build has progressed from the Workshop to the Lounge Room....next you will be building sub assemblies in the Kitchen  :-)) .....just like we do in OZ  {-)

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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #426 on: August 05, 2018, 04:50:51 pm »

Thanks a lot ..... using the kitchen as workspace would mean .... divorce or at least some nasty f... y..'s !!!!!  <:(
I marked the openings on the deck today ... I hope this time they are big enough!!!!!

From left to right: access to the ruddershaft and servo 10x10cm. access to motor accu and technical stuff,ballast 30x28cm. access to electrical stuff, accu, ballast 32x28cm. acces to on/off switches and to load the accus 10x10cm


If I would make a second, different wheelhouse and place it over opening to the motor at the rear I could make a purse seiner. Or a gill netter.....or........ %) Actually my version will have to types of fisheries possible. Bottom trawls und S. Jacobs shells which are caught in small steel "net-bags" ....
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #427 on: August 05, 2018, 05:00:35 pm »

Your build is just simply amazing - keep the updates coming  :-))

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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #428 on: August 06, 2018, 01:10:54 am »

That second deck opening image shown would certainly provide a great deal more usable access to the internals.......if it fits the plans or prototype, then it would be a good solution

Remember we spoke recently that a vessel can be an image or format frozen in time.... 

So keep the dust out of the kitchen & maintain the status-quo. :kiss:....seriously, having a model build so close at hand does it's advantages... there is never the need to say....'lets go down to the garage or workshop to look at todays progress'.....as you do the same thing when it is so close to hand

It also eliminates......'but you spend so much time away >>:-(...[in your workshop] & not helping or talking with me'

Again, the model build so close to hand also eliminates this...so harmony in the home & boatshed in one 

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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #429 on: August 12, 2018, 04:45:05 pm »

I wasn't happy with the hul so I made a little change on it!!!




2h later .....



A quick sanding and nearly as new again....

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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #430 on: August 12, 2018, 05:34:13 pm »

Awesome :)  It takes a lot of courage to change something that you've built to make it more like you want.  Nice one  :-))

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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #431 on: August 12, 2018, 09:13:50 pm »

You have to be sure that it is right to do and the tools are right as well  %%
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #432 on: August 12, 2018, 11:02:44 pm »

Wow......I saw the additional thickness of that deck level board as a Wearboard or Bufferboard.....

Certainly more luck in slicing it so well than anything else :o .....[or is it a light coloured 3 Ply ..plywood section you are delaminating?]

Even 100 years ago, boat builders would have swore & cursed  >>:-( the master craftsman  ...then used a right angle adze {-) [if they were ever invented?]

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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #433 on: August 14, 2018, 07:24:00 pm »

No problem ... the planks are all cut out of fir ....
I'd like to fabricate the deck but ..... first I have to make shure there is enough space for all the gadgets I will have in the hull .....

The two Panasonic 12V 15Ah lead accus are a little bit small in thos big hull .... but bigger ones are just to expensive ....



The following components are ready to be placed into the hull.
Servo, controller for the Kavan pump (black). Controller for the motor, 2 12V pumps, receiver, 2 accus. not shown: Loudspeaker box for the sound, soundmodule, Diesel exhaust simulator, Netwinches ....


The openings are huge!!!!



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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #434 on: August 15, 2018, 06:24:29 am »

Looks interesting! Just curious, what are you planning on doing with these two pumps?
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #435 on: August 15, 2018, 03:30:55 pm »

Looks interesting! Just curious, what are you planning on doing with these two pumps?
The black Kavan pump will be used to fill a water tank .... simulating empty fishhold and boat full of fresh fish ... it can pump to both sides ....the other ones I may use to simulate water coming out of different places, cooling water, a figure holding a hose .... a tank to keep lobsters and crab alive .... everything is possible! There is enough space for all my wishes!!!!
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #436 on: August 15, 2018, 03:40:55 pm »

How bid can I go with the loudspeaker for my soundmodule? I have the Allen Bond MKII Soundmodule. I only know that it has to have 8ohms. But will it work with a loudspeaker with 20cm or more in diameter? Or do I need some sort of amplfier in between?Can I feed the loudspeaker from 2 different soundmodules or will there be some sort of sound Tsunami?I'd like to have a loud engine sound of the main engine and another soundmodule with a auxiliary engine sound if my model rests on a pier .... I would use the Combo Sound Unit MK3 from Forge Electronics ...
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #437 on: August 15, 2018, 06:49:23 pm »

In the UK the people who service Lifts ( Elevators ) also Fire Alarms and also Electric Wheelchairs have lots of nearly new Batteries that they have to pay to dispose of. So ask them if you can have some.
I have not bought Batteries for years.

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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #438 on: August 16, 2018, 06:14:41 pm »

In the UK the people who service Lifts ( Elevators ) also Fire Alarms and also Electric Wheelchairs have lots of nearly new Batteries that they have to pay to dispose of. So ask them if you can have some.
I have not bought Batteries for years.
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Very good idea .... sadly I live in Switzerland .... I have a good online shop that sells lead shots and other heavy good for this purpose....
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #439 on: August 16, 2018, 10:13:55 pm »

Do you not  have lifts or escalators in Department Centres or Commercial Buildings in Zurich? ....if so look up KRONE...they are a worldwide manufacturer & service group for elevators, escalators & lifts.......[you may find then over the Border in Germany.....but that is just like driving from Wollongong to Sydney {-) ]

Another source would be Security Alarm Systems providers for buildings......they would also have hundreds thousands of batteries to replace each year

These emergency [trickle charge] alarm batteries are never used apart from 6 monthly signal tests.[or in an emergency  :police: ]......however emergency Standards dictate that these  are replaced strictly on a time basis

I know KRONE escalator's and lifts are in Sydney + Adelaide + Wollongong just to name those I have seen

Alan Bond is a member here on MBM.....why not ask him for the confirmation you need with the sound generator questions....he seems very helpful in his replies here

Whichever potential source you find for batteries, include your https://www.facebook.com/fvcorneliamarie link.....that will, make them stand up & watch  O0
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #440 on: August 17, 2018, 04:33:57 am »

In switzerland batteries are recycled (to get $$$$) and therefore it is not possible to get them for a model boat .... anyway ... I will order 20-30kg of lead .... a 18x5x2cm ignot of lead weights 2kg .... much more than a battery!
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #441 on: August 17, 2018, 06:34:49 pm »

In the UK the people who service Lifts ( Elevators ) also Fire Alarms and also Electric Wheelchairs have lots of nearly new Batteries that they have to pay to dispose of. So ask them if you can have some.
I have not bought Batteries for years.

Len.

I did not mean ask the GB Companies for Batteries but similar Swiss ones, don't you have Electric Wheelchairs over there?.

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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #442 on: August 18, 2018, 05:57:13 am »

There are very little electric wheelshairs in Switzerland..... never mind .... I will work with lead as ballast.
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« Reply #443 on: August 18, 2018, 06:07:21 am »

OK...now you are sorted with lead .....[plumbonium] yes this is the ancient name for lead       


[I made a silly spelling error.....the multinational is Kone .......[not Krone]....sorry  :embarrassed:

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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #444 on: August 23, 2018, 08:57:29 am »

@ missyd - my sound unit will drive a speaker of ANY diameter. I use a component hi-fi system speaker cabinet for bench testing whose front is about 15" wide so it is probably quite a large speaker in there - in my boats I typically use a 6" woofer. The only restrictions are respecting the 8 ohm and the (nominal) 12v supply - eg a fully charged lead acid battery starts at 14.5v - there's a 16v rated capacitor that will complain otherwise. The higher the voltage the louder the sound. A sizeable speaker with good bass response, properly mounted, sounds just fine, a 2" mylar coned speaker loose on the bench will sound like a woodpecker on steroids!

The output stage is a power MOSFET that simply switches the speaker on or off (by sucking it down to 0v or letting go of it altogether) so I can't see there would be an electrical conflict in using two of MY units to drive one speaker - you would have simply constructed a power NOR gate - but equally the two sounds wouldn't be additive as they would be in a true audio mixer so the result would be indeterminate. However if only one unit is working at a time then I expect they could share the same speaker successfully. But you definitely CANNOT share a speaker between my unit and anyone else's.

The nature of the signal at the output stage doesn't easily lend itself to connecting to an even more powerful external amplifier - there is a better point further back within the circuit from which to take a drive signal - then a bridge amplifier is the way to go - this is two amplifiers driven in anti-phase with the speaker connected between their two outputs -  this doubles the voltage swing on the speaker and so delivers FOUR times the power (power is V squared over R). Look on eBay for 15W stereo amplifiers featuring the TDA7297 - I've found them most satisfactory.

If you really must, I will volunteer to 'knife and fork' one of my units to provide a low level audio output to feed into such an external amplifier - but it won't be pretty!
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #445 on: August 23, 2018, 05:15:05 pm »

Thanks a lot for the good informations..... As I am no electronics wizard I may use only one Sound unit and one speaker. IF I have the space (hehe shouldn't be a problem in this hull) I may add a second sound unit and a second speaker. But this would use another channel on my RC. Not shure if I will control the extra gadgets (full working nets) with my RC or a second one.Maybe I can use some sort of voltage limiter between the battery (12V) and the sound unit. Or use one 12V and one 6V battery as I did with the FV Cornelia Marie. 12V for the motor and 6V for the lights and sound. Maker wiring a little bit complicated but its easier for the lights and sound unit.
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #446 on: August 24, 2018, 09:52:58 pm »

Here a picture of my 32kg lead I bought .... it will take very little space in the hull!

I may not need all of the 32 kg .... lets calculate ...15kg finished hull (estimated)8kg 2x batteries32kg leadTotal 55kg .... too much weight but I can change it as I need ....
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #447 on: August 25, 2018, 02:53:45 pm »

Here a picture inside of the hull .... 12pcs @2kgs visible ... 4 are behind the photographer. I will position all of them in the middle of the hull. The exact position will be chosen during the next test in water. Still a lot of space in the hull. I will place them all in some sort of trays so they will stay in place.

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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #448 on: August 25, 2018, 08:39:32 pm »

Those are nice ingots Danielle  :-))
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Re: Building the FV "Mady Jeanne"
« Reply #449 on: August 26, 2018, 11:29:32 pm »

Danielle.....with all the talk of other things...I cannot remember reading about the main engine scale installed power....have I forgotten such mention?

It is just that the little Krick electric geared motor looks :o small for a 30+ kg displacement hull

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